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Anyone know if there is any coverage in Tucson yet? I'm passing through here from Mesa and I wanted to put the 4G through its paces..
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As far as I know, there is none in AZ at all. And, after the latest list for new 4G areas, AZ isn't getting any anytime soon.
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I've been doing a little research. From what I can tell, Clearwire has applied for permits, permission or zoning variances in four or five locations around Tucson: by the Tucson Mall, Pima/Alvernon, some place on the south side, and they received permission from Marana schools to build towers at a school in Continental Ranch (a mile from my house!) and near Ina and Thornydale, I think.
Also, there was a job posting for a Clearwire manager position back in December of 09.
Unless Clearwire is just building towers for the heck of it, or they sell some other service, I think it's on its way.
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I've been doing a little research. From what I can tell, Clearwire has applied for permits, permission or zoning variances in four or five locations around Tucson: by the Tucson Mall, Pima/Alvernon, some place on the south side, and they received permission from Marana schools to build towers at a school in Continental Ranch (a mile from my house!) and near Ina and Thornydale, I think.
Also, there was a job posting for a Clearwire manager position back in December of 09.
Unless Clearwire is just building towers for the heck of it, or they sell some other service, I think it's on its way.
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Just out of curiosity, where does one go to find out about such permit applications? I'd like to do some snooping on their progress in Phoenix.
Yedgy said:
Just out of curiosity, where does one go to find out about such permit applications? I'd like to do some snooping on their progress in Phoenix.
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Well, of course, google is your friend. I would try "City of Phoenix" and clearwire, for instance (if I cared about Phoenix )...check the city (for all those suburbs) and county websites and look for the development services or similar department. Many have their permit applications and such online. County Board meeting minutes, city council minutes are good sources as they usually grant zoning variances and permits. I found Clearwire seeking permission from the local school board by reading the minutes of the school board.
I've been an investigator for years, so this is second nature to me...let me know if you have other questions or my response is less than clear.
Hey, you're right! I found this little gem regarding Clearwire in the minutes from a recent public meeting:
Use permit to co-locate a visible wireless communication facility
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Good news: it was approved!
Bad news: it's not near my part of town.
Thanks, inspector! I'll see what else I can dig up.
Found this too if you're down near Chandler - it's from earlier this year...actually, we have an office in Phoenix and I am there frequently...I wouldn't mind you guys getting some 4G, just after Tucson
azcentral.com/community/chandler/articles/2010/01/22/20100122cr-celltower0123. html (don't have enough posts to link, you'll have to cut and paste, remove the space before html)
Thanks for the link to the article.
I always laugh about the "not in my backyard" outcries every time someone wants to put up a cell tower. I gotta believe that many of those folks are the same ones who are always complaining about poor cell coverage in their area.
If Clearwire wants to put up a high-speed WiMAX tower in my backyard, I'll roll out the red carpet and hire a marching band...
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Thanks for the link to the article.
I always laugh about the "not in my backyard" outcries every time someone wants to put up a cell tower. I gotta believe that many of those folks are the same ones who are always complaining about poor cell coverage in their area.
If Clearwire wants to put up a high-speed WiMAX tower in my backyard, I'll roll out the red carpet and hire a marching band...
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..and i'd be your neighbor complaining that it wasn't in MY backyard
So I take my son to a medical appointment and I get 4g here. Average speeds of 8.5mbps down and 1.4 up. Crazy fast. However the 4g only gets signal in maybe a 3 mile radius. What a joke. Its obvious there is a wimax tower, so why such bad saturation? Been that way since I got the phone, it blows that they don't get their S together and give us here a decent signal, speaking as my average 3g speeds are 300k down and what's weird 600k up. Faster upload than down? Bittorrent on me!
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Well you are in Riverside.....
Come down into OC and you will be surprised where you have 4g. Very few dead spots.
Bielinsk said:
Well you are in Riverside.....
Come down into OC and you will be surprised where you have 4g. Very few dead spots.
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I was on business in OC and man was 4g strong there. I live north of Seattle and 4g is not nearly as consistent or strong where I live. I'm jealous.
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I understand that I'm in Riverside, but you can even see from Sprint's map they have a 4g tower here, but such small coverage? That's ridiculous. I've read numerous articles how Sprint is doubling down on 4g and Android in 2011, I'd really like to see that. I know it's also partly with Clearwire, which Sprint owns part of. Clearwire is having bigtime money issues and I can't see WIMAX spreading at any kind of rate in the short term. I'm curious if this is the reason why Dan Hesse has said so many favorable things about LTE lately, because the company they used to help implement WIMAX couldn't get the job done.
Interesting...
http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/03/08/another-rumor-lightsquared-sprint/
Looks like Sprint and LightSquared might be linking up to provide LTE over S's existing spectrum.
Meanwhile, in the same article, it seems that Clear is also looking at converting their towers to LTE base-stations, with the ability to deliver 90Mbps (in un-congested cells) downstream (the carrier in Japan that's getting the EVO said their WiMax network was going to deliver similar capability).
So, is it a done deal: Sprint to LTE (with some spectrum at 2.5GHz standardized around the world), with Clear's network augmenting and providing density?
Also interesting: Best Buy is buying wholesale access from LightSquared -
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/23/best-buy-signs-up-for-lightsquareds-wholesale-lte-service/
Looks like a very fast, and very LTE future for S. Anyone up for an EVO 5LTE?
really interesting so their not using the 700 mhz band like verizon theyre using the 2.5ghz isnt that bad because it cant penetrate buildings as easily?
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really interesting so their not using the 700 mhz band like verizon theyre using the 2.5ghz isnt that bad because it cant penetrate buildings as easily?
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Verizon has bought all the good spectrums
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.
Lightsquared I believe owns spectrum in the 1400-1500mhz frequencies. If they are going to use Clear's 2500mhz frequency to augment and help with capacity that sounds like a plan.
Edit - article states lightsquared owns spectrum in the 1600mhz frequency. That's still much better than Clear's 2500mhz, and Sprint was able to build their PCS network with 1900mhz frequency.
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That 2.5GHz band is apparently a world-standard. Maybe they have to bump up the wattage to get better penetration into dense buildings?
I was reading a couple of other articles and they are suggesting that Sprint might be talking about acquiring LightSquared. They apparently will be doing some network-sharing definitely.
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/report-lightsquared-talks-sprint-network-sharing-deal/2011-02-23
And interestingly in this ^^^ same article, Dan Hesse is saying that actual field deployment of LTE in their eight largest metro areas will start in the "August timeframe." What??!!
That's interesting to me, because that dude BSOD over at the Android Forums said that the new EVO 3D would be WiMax- and LTE-capable. Makes me wonder if there's a little trick hidden up the EVO 3D's sleeve -- WiMax AND LTE capability -- that Sprint is being coy about right now...
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That 2.5GHz band is apparently a world-standard. Maybe they have to bump up the wattage to get better penetration into dense buildings?
I was reading a couple of other articles and they are suggesting that Sprint might be talking about acquiring LightSquared. They apparently will be doing some network-sharing definitely.
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/report-lightsquared-talks-sprint-network-sharing-deal/2011-02-23
And interestingly in this ^^^ same article, Dan Hesse is saying that actual field deployment of LTE in their eight largest metro areas will start in the "August timeframe." What??!!
That's interesting to me, because that dude BSOD over at the Android Forums said that the new EVO 3D would be WiMax- and LTE-capable. Makes me wonder if there's a little trick hidden up the EVO 3D's sleeve -- WiMax AND LTE capability -- that Sprint is being coy about right now...
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It is rumored that the Evo 3D is both WiMax/LTE capable.
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And interestingly in this ^^^ same article, Dan Hesse is saying that actual field deployment of LTE in their eight largest metro areas will start in the "August timeframe." What??!!
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Haha, I just totally went to Wikipedia to see where San Diego was on the list of largest U.S. cities. #8.
I'm really hoping that Sprint does start to move to LTE soon, as it seems like the spread of WiMax has either slowed to a crawl, or completely stopped. Not really a point in having a 4G phone, if you're never going to get the 4G that your phone has a radio for.
That said, I really hope the E3D is WiMax/LTE...it's the only phone I've seen so far that I will trade my EVO for.
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It is rumored that the Evo 3D is both WiMax/LTE capable.
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Exactly. But no one is talking about it right now.
Kinda makes me think that Sprint has an "October Surprise" of its own planned.
once we get a tear down of this phone we can know for sure what it has in it.
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Haha, I just totally went to Wikipedia to see where San Diego was on the list of largest U.S. cities. #8.
I'm really hoping that Sprint does start to move to LTE soon, as it seems like the spread of WiMax has either slowed to a crawl, or completely stopped. Not really a point in having a 4G phone, if you're never going to get the 4G that your phone has a radio for.
That said, I really hope the E3D is WiMax/LTE...it's the only phone I've seen so far that I will trade my EVO for.
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I hope Los Angeles gets it. Plenty cities got WiMAX before Los Angeles, which I found odd considering LA is one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country. Of course, LA is also very spread out, whereas other major metropolitan centers are more compact (see: New York City). Here's hoping for some lovely LTE on our new Evo 3Ds.
I'm still trying to figure out what all the hype about LTE is over. Sure Clear's spectrum sucks for building penetration and their bandwidth is way to small at 10MHz but how would using LTE make it any better?
This may be slightly off topic since I know light squared is bringing more spectrum to the table, but I'm seriously confused about it all.
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I'm still trying to figure out what all the hype about LTE is over. Sure Clear's spectrum sucks for building penetration and their bandwidth is way to small at 10MHz but how would using LTE make it any better?
This may be slightly off topic since I know light squared is bringing more spectrum to the table, but I'm seriously confused about it all.
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Lightsquared has a lot of Spectrum in the 1600mhz spectrum. With the rumors of them partnering with Sprint on the Network Vision/Project Leapfrog buildout, they will put their equipment on Sprint's towers. This helps with the speed of the build out, and building penetration won't be as much of an issue as 2500mhz Wimax. Most of Sprint's towers were spaced for 1900mhz (they didn't have 800mhz until acquiring Nextel), so I would assume 1600mhz LTE should be fine for indoor use.
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Yay lets achieve 90mbps in areas that already have 4G and not roll it out to the little guys who still can't get 4G(very populated area). Sprints network blows.
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blackroseMD1 said:
Haha, I just totally went to Wikipedia to see where San Diego was on the list of largest U.S. cities. #8.
I'm really hoping that Sprint does start to move to LTE soon, as it seems like the spread of WiMax has either slowed to a crawl, or completely stopped. Not really a point in having a 4G phone, if you're never going to get the 4G that your phone has a radio for.
That said, I really hope the E3D is WiMax/LTE...it's the only phone I've seen so far that I will trade my EVO for.
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I hope Los Angeles gets it. Plenty cities got WiMAX before Los Angeles, which I found odd considering LA is one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country. Of course, LA is also very spread out, whereas other major metropolitan centers are more compact (see: New York City). Here's hoping for some lovely LTE on our new Evo 3Ds.
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I think the operative term is "their eight largest" metropolitan areas -- meaning the eight markets that have the most Sprint customers, regardless their place in the overall largest metro areas. I assume that Sprint's 8 largest markets are roughly similar to the largest metro areas overall.
Hopefully, we'll all be benefiting from dramatically faster mobile broadband speeds.
Sprint's 4G solution is at a crawl or complete stop, because that's exactly what happened. The rollout is at a complete stop, and both companies still are not at an agreement. The ones who are still committed to Clear stopped investing, and it's just a mess. Sprint wants Clear to join their Network Vision, which would save both companies billions of dollars. This is the holdup on Sprint's decision towards LTE. Lightsquared is ready to use their Network Vision, and will pay Sprint for it. Clear better make their decision quick, or other companies will help Sprint make the decision soon.
The 8 largest metropolitan cities that Hesse was talking about was their multi-mode towers, and nothing more. Sprint have "soft" LTE markets, but nothing close to launch. Clear is holding **** up.
As for the EVO 3D having Beceem's BCS500 chip, which will be the first of its kind and not even in mass production, is driving me up the wall. That and a firmware, not hardware revisions, will make their old 4G capable devices run LTE. People don't think for themselves anymore. MSM8660 is not LTE-capable or 1X- Advanced/SVDO ready, but if BSOD said it, it's true. I guess I have to find the secret Sim Card later on today.
Don't be so quick to jump on the Lightsquared bandwagon. They will soon be shutdown by the FCC and FAA if they can't solve the bleed over problem. Seems their tech interferes with GPS and WAAS receivers making them a danger to aviation and air traffic control. During tests an aircraft within 15 miles of their towers have had total GPS failure. They've been working on it for a while but haven't been able to fix it. Now they are trying to blame the GPS manufacturers, but it is a spectrum issue and the FAA may force the FCC to block the spectrum if they can't solve their noise bleedover problem into the GPS spectrum.
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Interesting...
http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/03/08/another-rumor-lightsquared-sprint/
Looks like Sprint and LightSquared might be linking up to provide LTE over S's existing spectrum.
Meanwhile, in the same article, it seems that Clear is also looking at converting their towers to LTE base-stations, with the ability to deliver 90Mbps (in un-congested cells) downstream (the carrier in Japan that's getting the EVO said their WiMax network was going to deliver similar capability).
So, is it a done deal: Sprint to LTE (with some spectrum at 2.5GHz standardized around the world), with Clear's network augmenting and providing density?
Also interesting: Best Buy is buying wholesale access from LightSquared -
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/23/best-buy-signs-up-for-lightsquareds-wholesale-lte-service/
Looks like a very fast, and very LTE future for S. Anyone up for an EVO 5LTE?
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Doubt sprint moves fully to a LTE only network anytime in the near future.
Check out this video with the Clearwire CTO discussing the LTE trials.
http://www.lightreading.com/video.asp?doc_id=205968&
He clearly talks about how they are looking at doing both. He also says their trails will not be done for a few more months.
The good thing is the speed he reports being able to get is outstanding!
a couple points of clarification;
Re in-building penetration at 2.5 GHz. This is a major downside to using 2.5GHz frequencies, but part of the advantage to network vision is that Sprint will be able to use various technologies at different frequencies. So they'll be able to run WiMax and / or LTE at the 1.9 GHz frequencies that are currently used for CDMA / EVDO, and eventually even at the 800 MHz frequencies currently used by the iDEN network (current PTT users will need to be migrated to next-generation PTT on CDMA before that spectrum can be used for other technologies. The upside to 2.5 GHz is the amount of Bandwidth Sprint's got there. Prior to the Sprint / Nextel merger, each company had enough bandwidth on it's own to run a nationwide 4G network at 2.5GHz (Nextel even trialed a Flash-OFDM based network for a while in 2003/2004, but the technology wasn't ready yet and the real-world performance was not any faster than 3G).
Regarding bandwidth, Sprint / Clear has an average of 120 MHz of bandwidth at 2.5GHz, not 10 MHz. Some of that may be Sprint's and some may be Clears, but my understanding is that most of that is owned by Clear as that bandwidth constituted the bulk of Sprint's investment in Clear. Either company should be able make use of plenty of spectrum at 2.5 GHZ for whatever purposes they deem worthy, assuming they can work out their pricing arguments. Some articles that came out a couple of weeks ago (I think one was in the Wall Street Journal, among other financial sites) made it sound like they're close to hashing out some sort of agreement, and that Clear will have the cash it needs this spring. Can't happen soon enough if you ask me.
And lastly, there's no way Sprint would move to LTE exclusively. The new multi-modal towers make it very easy to deploy multiple technology side by side. Since the network format will be decoupled from network hardware, running a new network on the same tower is as easy as pushing a software update out to the tower. There's no need to uninstall the old technology to enable new technology. Sprint's got too many 4G customers already on board to make them all migrate to a new technology, and Hesse has publicly stated that Sprint's future in 4G will include WiMax regardless of whatever else may be offered.
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Don't be so quick to jump on the Lightsquared bandwagon. They will soon be shutdown by the FCC and FAA if they can't solve the bleed over problem. Seems their tech interferes with GPS and WAAS receivers making them a danger to aviation and air traffic control. During tests an aircraft within 15 miles of their towers have had total GPS failure. They've been working on it for a while but haven't been able to fix it. Now they are trying to blame the GPS manufacturers, but it is a spectrum issue and the FAA may force the FCC to block the spectrum if they can't solve their noise bleedover problem into the GPS spectrum.
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Do you have any articles about the bleed over? I'd love to read more into this.
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Do you have any articles about the bleed over? I'd love to read more into this.
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dude who do you get your internet service from to get that speed in your sig? I know PSINET went under long ago in '01 i think so speedtest is reporting the isp wront on the result there.
Yea In barstow,CA all of those listed are down. My phone is roaming on what I assume to be a Verizon network.
Sucks because now no calling or recieving calls etc. This seems different than the outages elsewhere because its effecting nearly all services, as well as landlines, :/
SUCKAGE lol.
That sucks bro
Can't blame sprint for this one lol. I thought it was just odd that so many netowrks are down and went down all around the same time.its not just one tower its all of them in the surrounding area. lol.
ALIENS ARE invading where is my tin hat <.<
Maybe the towns *one* cell tower got hit by a vehicle or something just joking. Curious indeed.
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NA there are at least 6 towers spread out over the area. the one in the center of town is B hill. and When i say down i mean not receiving signals. I am roaming on what is verizon. Ever other network is down. Them lucky verizon people. BTW roaming on their netowrk alone out here is bogging it down . Calls can barely be made haha.
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RADIO Resource INTERFERENCE SHORTAGE lol
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Error class 2.
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For anybody who can read this: Apparently only Sprint's network is working in Barstow. All other communication systems are down.
http://twitter.com/#!/DDispatchNews
Oh god that is ironic. Wonder why i am roaming now.
Aperently somone cut a verizon fiber backbone for the city.... BUWHAHAHA
Blame Bush.
Blame oboma
Blame global werming.
its the end of the world!!! lol
http://www.desertdispatch.com/news/barstow-10907-outage-service.html
Sub contractors cut the Verizon Fiber optic lIne. Bank's are down. No one is accepting Atm cards or credit cards either.
Well We know this small town has one backbone in and out of the city.. Glad I am before the cut so i have the net but cell service is roaming with on off conenctions and and data forget theat. recieving calls non existant.
But I still have no Wimax in Toledo!!!!!!!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/13/clearwire-boosts-nyc-wimax-coverage-by-21-percent-91-363-people/
Clearwire+Sprint=dislike
Yeah they didn't boost it enough because we still don't have it where I live.
Don't feel too bad. Dallas was allegedly one of the debut cities and we still can't connect. Everyone i know with EVO's don't even bother trying to get a signal anymore.
Bear in mind other residential broadband services in NYC are absolutely terrible, with most choices in and around the 5 city boroughs being limited to the joke that is time warner cable/roadrunner or various copper loop/DSL providers.. many of which want to charge you $75/mo for 2mb/256k service.
FiOS is a pipe dream in the deep city and the way Verizon is going as an ISP isn't encouraging in the slightest.
Clear is really the *ONLY* choice for broadband service which is likely why they are targeting NYC - they have a massive advantage in not having to play the politics game for permits to dig up roads. All they need to do is put a tower up and they're done, not to mention the WIMAX channel advantage.
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Bear in mind other residential broadband services in NYC are absolutely terrible, with most choices in and around the 5 city boroughs being limited to the joke that is time warner cable/roadrunner or various copper loop/DSL providers.. many of which want to charge you $75/mo for 2mb/256k service.
FiOS is a pipe dream in the deep city and the way Verizon is going as an ISP isn't encouraging in the slightest.
Clear is really the *ONLY* choice for broadband service which is likely why they are targeting NYC - they have a massive advantage in not having to play the politics game for permits to dig up roads. All they need to do is put a tower up and they're done, not to mention the WIMAX channel advantage.
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Don't know what you're talking about, I've had 15/2 service from Optimum since 2005... anyway, I get 4G all over my area EXCEPT on my block. Unbelieveable The entire neighborhood is blanketed except a small patch where I happen to live.
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Don't know what you're talking about, I've had 15/2 service from Optimum since 2005... anyway, I get 4G all over my area EXCEPT on my block. Unbelieveable The entire neighborhood is blanketed except a small patch where I happen to live.
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That's only in parts of the Bronx, Brooklyn, and SI. Queens, NYC, and the rest of the 5 boros are SOL when it comes to Cablevision. ( I was a tech for CV for almost 4 years)
Roadrunner does blow goats in Central Park when it comes to speed and reliability.
Awesome. Updated my prl after being on CM 7 for a couple months and downloads are going faster and the signal seems more consistent.
Visited new York and had crap reception. Clearwire is garbage
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Everything seems so bogged down in NYC (understandably)
My 4G speeds were only about 1.6 mb/ps there. Meanwhile, I had up to 8 mb/ps in Boston.
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