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FREE SkyTV on Vodafone 3G!!!!

Ok, so Vodafone UK is offering FREE SKY TV on your mobile until Jan via 3G. As I have unlimited 3G, would love to get it. Been in touch with Vodafone, they don't support the Jasjar (surprise, surprise). The only info they have to get it if you have a Vodafone 3G mobile, is to go to the Vodafone Live! on your mobile, and there is an entertainment link which takes you there. Problem is that even though I have all 3G settings set to Vodafone ( APN "internet", username "web", password "web") the Vodafone Live! page on PIE (Pocket Internet Explorer) comes up only in a basic form with certainly no entertainment link. I tried asking them at least for a URL, but they had no idea. Anyone out there know if we can get this going, would be just awesome on the JasJar's VGA screen!!!

Am I the only one that wants SKY TV on the JasJar?

In a word: Yes.
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No seriously why would you want to watch compressed streaming TV at a ridiculous cost per MB?
As far as I am aware wmp doesnt even do full screen.
I'd rather have a bowl of pork farms sausages and a sexual encounter with a rhesus monkey ..
But then I am a tremendous pervert.

gubbs said:
In a word: Yes.
lol
No seriously why would you want to watch compressed streaming TV at a ridiculous cost per MB?
As far as I am aware wmp doesnt even do full screen.
I'd rather have a bowl of pork farms sausages and a sexual encounter with a rhesus monkey ..
But then I am a tremendous pervert.
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That is offensive. One of my best looking dates was a rhesus monkey!

lol

And one of my best dates was with a Pork Farms sausage

When on unlimited usage, watching SKY TV in my car while I'm waiting for the wife to finish her shopping, seems like a good idea, no? Maybe better just to watch you on webcam with the rhesus monkey!!

If anyone is interested I answered this question on another thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=33294
Did a bit of experimenting to get it to work, although I don't think I've ever used it (except to test that it works, but it's FREE - for now!).
Quality is ok, but it is designed for small res mobiles.

Moving on from the HTC Universal...

In a couple of months my contract with 02 comes to an end and I'm looking to move to T-Mobile (that unlimited data tariff calls to me!)
Anyway - Since nothing seems to have come of the supposed replacement (HTC Omni) this quarter I'm starting to consider my options. So far the following have come to me:
1) Carry my EXEC onto a new contract and save some money. Downside is the phone is a bit bulky and I'd prefer something a bit smaller, also lack of HDPSA (although how can you miss something you never had...?
2) Get the MDA Vario 2 (HTC TyTN) - far as I can tell I'd gain HDPSA and loose the VGA screen and a fair chunk of the size. Performance-wise is more or less a bust.
3) Get $SomeOtherPhone (Nokia n95 is interesting me here) sell the Exec and use the money to buy a WM5 PDA for the things I like using WM5 for (GPS and eBook reading are the two biggies) - Fujitsu Loox n560 would be a probable candidate here.
Any thoughts on the options, or can you suggest something better?
Dave

Chimaera said:
In a couple of months my contract with 02 comes to an end and I'm looking to move to T-Mobile (that unlimited data tariff calls to me!)
Anyway - Since nothing seems to have come of the supposed replacement (HTC Omni) this quarter I'm starting to consider my options. So far the following have come to me:
1) Carry my EXEC onto a new contract and save some money. Downside is the phone is a bit bulky and I'd prefer something a bit smaller, also lack of HDPSA (although how can you miss something you never had...?
2) Get the MDA Vario 2 (HTC TyTN) - far as I can tell I'd gain HDPSA and loose the VGA screen and a fair chunk of the size. Performance-wise is more or less a bust.
3) Get $SomeOtherPhone (Nokia n95 is interesting me here) sell the Exec and use the money to buy a WM5 PDA for the things I like using WM5 for (GPS and eBook reading are the two biggies) - Fujitsu Loox n560 would be a probable candidate here.
Any thoughts on the options, or can you suggest something better?
Dave
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My situation exactly.....what I did.
Took the FREE M3100 (TyTn) and new plan to save money. I am now evaluating it as to whether I want to replace my Universal or keep it as a spare!!
To be honest so far the universal screen and keyboard are the main things I think I am going to have difficulty living without. However the form factor of universal I definately wont miss!!
Still cant have everything.
Matt

matt1971 said:
My situation exactly.....what I did.
Took the FREE M3100 (TyTn) and new plan to save money. I am now evaluating it as to whether I want to replace my Universal or keep it as a spare!!
To be honest so far the universal screen and keyboard are the main things I think I am going to have difficulty living without. However the form factor of universal I definately wont miss!!
Still cant have everything.
Matt
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Oh yeah, forgot one of the downsides of the Vario 2 is the hideous colour scheme - the Orange M3100 looks much cooler

In a couple of month's T-Mobile might have something else that you'll be interested in.
It's best to wait until your time is up before choosing your next phone.

Slave1 said:
In a couple of month's T-Mobile might have something else that you'll be interested in.
It's best to wait until your time is up before choosing your next phone.
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Oh I know, I'm not making any definite plan til the time is upon me, this is more of an "I'm bored at work and kicking ideas around" kinda thing
TBH though there is *nothing* in the HTC pipeline that I've seen that appeals to me - although to be fair the same can be said of everyone else too, the N95 is the only thing I know to be coming that looks interesting to me.

o2 do an unlimited data tarrif - they just don't shout about it!
it's called unlimited blackberry roaming or something like that.
£10/month :¬D

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o2 do an unlimited data tarrif - they just don't shout about it!
it's called unlimited blackberry roaming or something like that.
£10/month :¬D
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Well theres always the option that O2 will come up with something to convince me to stay I guess

keep the exec to sell on use that money to get a cool day to day phone,
(damn i wish i cud get a casio gz one in the uk),
at the end of your contract get a new contract with a tytn,use this for your pda
stuff
that would be ok for ya.altough im in a similar situ,im keeping the exec as nothing comes close for long coach trips,and im goona get a rugged nokia for day to day
good luck

lol exactly my situation too. i am considering n95 just because there isnt any other new pda available. i thought i would go for new o2 zinc (was it zinc? the 3g one). i wont buy any pda/phone without 3g lol i cant live without 128k online radio on my phone.
anyone considering n95?

jaceuk said:
keep the exec to sell on use that money to get a cool day to day phone,
(damn i wish i cud get a casio gz one in the uk),
at the end of your contract get a new contract with a tytn,use this for your pda
stuff
that would be ok for ya.altough im in a similar situ,im keeping the exec as nothing comes close for long coach trips,and im goona get a rugged nokia for day to day
good luck
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I already carry two phones around - taking that number to three would e a bit much
I think as of right now I'm going to go with N95 and a seperate PDA *shrugs*
Depends on if the n95 sucks or not really!

Thinking of getting the vario 2

whats it like as multimedia player.
can it handle movies and music files with no problems (apart from the battery running out quicker).
and how editable is windows mobile, ive been with nokia and its so easy to change the look (using themes).
also hows the 2 megapixle cam for recording movies and taking pictures
i just need that extra push before i commit to a 12 month contract with t mobile

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whats it like as multimedia player.
can it handle movies and music files with no problems (apart from the battery running out quicker).
and how editable is windows mobile, ive been with nokia and its so easy to change the look (using themes).
also hows the 2 megapixle cam for recording movies and taking pictures
i just need that extra push before i commit to a 12 month contract with t mobile
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Do it! the Vario II is a fantastic phone... it handles full screen video playback just fine and giving it has Windows Media player on it, compatibility is great!
As a Pocket PC its very customisable... it can be skinned to look like almost anything! so to say... check out Wisbar for example http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/index.php?pg=skins
The camera is good... nothing special but it does the job...
I would say though, once you've gotten used to it... read up on the WM6 posts - it turns a good Vario into an Excellent Vario

sounds great.
one thing im a bit worried about is a long time ago i used to have a one 2 one phone and the reception in my house was terrible, so hopefully T mobile have boosted up their signal since all those years ago. i did the street check for reception in my road and it was 3 bars good covarage
How is the general reception for making and reciving calls on the phone .
also is it easy to get it unlocked so i can swap when i need to my current sim card. (pay as you go vodaphone) just in case because the vodafone signal is so strong here.
thanks again

two words........
street check, that's what TMobile offer BEFORE you buy
and even if the reception is bad, if you upgrade your Radio rom you will see the improvement
Ive had my VarioII for three months and its been brill, especiall with this site!!!
You can soooooooooooooo customize it to your liking like no other phone on the market, its just fab

bongloid said:
sounds great.
one thing im a bit worried about is a long time ago i used to have a one 2 one phone and the reception in my house was terrible, so hopefully T mobile have boosted up their signal since all those years ago. i did the street check for reception in my road and it was 3 bars good covarage
How is the general reception for making and reciving calls on the phone .
also is it easy to get it unlocked so i can swap when i need to my current sim card. (pay as you go vodaphone) just in case because the vodafone signal is so strong here.
thanks again
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I'm more than happy with the reception... and like you, my street check was good... also, I think you'll find that t-mobile doesn't sim lock their phone... but in any case, its easy to get over that issue

if your in the UK, look on ebay.
i got 2 for under 180 quid, brand new factory sealed.
do try outbid ppl, some of them are scammers, the seller will resort to selling to the next highest genuie bidder, and that should be you!

The Vario 2 (Tytn) is a very versatile device and there are endless tweaks and themes and I would recommend getting one. I would never be without mine.

can i get vario rom for update

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can i get vario rom for update
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Is this guy just posting the same question in every topic on the forum? lol
The Vario is great as a multimedia player - just get something like Coreplayer to use and that will play most types of video. I got stuck in traffic the other day and ended up watching 2 episodes of southpark on my Vario to pass the time
Camera is ok although its not so hot indoors - outside in good light the pics are perfectly acceptable.
Also if you are going with T-Mobile in the UK you can get the web'n'walk deal which means high-speed internet wherever you are.

Got one in the end and im so glad i did
thanks for the advice

just got back from a trip abroad.
I had a heart attack after passing through the Xray machine at check in.
I looked at my phone and the screen was totally screwed up. most of the colour was reversed and just was unreadable.
I think it must have had something to do with the magnet on the leather case the phone comes with and the rays from the Xray machine.
i really thought i broke my new toy (2 days in)
after trying to go through the settings on the phone to see if there was anything in there that might help and a few soft resets later it still was screwed.
so i took the magnet from the black case and held it up to the screen and magically it went back to normal.
so be careful going through check in.

T-mobile TV

Whats the general consencers on the mobile TV ? after trying it out I am far from impressed, picture quality is like 3/10 maybe 5/10 if your watching somebody who's not moving, the sound I thought was pretty good but to pay for that service.....not on your nelly !
@ the moment it's free and i'm still not going to use it again screwed my poor eyes up watching all these grains, but thats just my opinion.
I never saw vodafone TV work, can anyone confirm if it's the same sort of quality ?

the only comparison I have is on three. that is spot on with real live tv. I agree with you, as the tmobile service stands I won't be paying for it!

if the content changed more often (i.e daily/live tv) i'd be tempted to subscribe, especially as it is pretty cheap on the monthly option

If you are really serious about tv on your device... I would get an unlimited data plan and buy a slingbox. I just got a slingbox for fathers day. I can watch every channel from Concast. Plus I can control my DVR and watch all my recorded programs. It sure beats Cingular TV, or what ever they call it.
Slingmobile also works over wi-fi...
John

Better that nowt
I believe £3.50 (t-mobile - uk) is not too much of a price to pay.. but the quality is that if "3" when it started its video promo a few years ago. To be honest though we all pay through the nose for this sort of product through ads anyway. Me personally ,I would rather wait for for intergration on DVB-H (not DVB-T) or an add on where you would pay a one off fee like you do for a set top box. Until then, this service is an added bonus for a network that does more for it's customer like say Orange/Vodaphone don't.
The internet has been mobile for a while now even though Vodaphone has started to coin in on this phase.
Saying that I just cancelled my Sat subscription cos I could watch the Nasa space launch within my internet bundle. Plus I can watch 24, lost etc via the network channels anyway, So My Vario 2 is more than capable and I get to take it where I want when I want. (Hopefully the signal in cleethorpes will be better next time I go to the seaside (coast)) Hehe

@Johndawg, I was actually looking at getting a slingbox a littel while ago. So you would say by far this is the best way to have mobile TV on your pocket pc in regards to quality ? Does it matter what slingbox you get or are they about the same in what they offer for this service ? Also are you on web & walk £7.50 m8 ?
@Scootytoo, I to am thinking about canceling my Sky subscription, I can't believe how pants it become, but I love my football and thats where they shaft ya when you subscribe to a package as well as I now have the broadband max included, clever buggers !

sony007 said:
@Johndawg, I was actually looking at getting a slingbox a littel while ago. So you would say by far this is the best way to have mobile TV on your pocket pc in regards to quality ? Does it matter what slingbox you get or are they about the same in what they offer for this service ? Also are you on web & walk £7.50 m8 ?
@Scootytoo, I to am thinking about canceling my Sky subscription, I can't believe how pants it become, but I love my football and thats where they shaft ya when you subscribe to a package as well as I now have the broadband max included, clever buggers !
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There has been many forms of mobile tv over the past couple of years where the solution (very simliar to the slingbox) has pumped media via wlan/net etc. The tech was very limited and fussy. I.e using tv card with a stream app. Too much messing around and the end result not worth the effort. Besides, this slingbox is a clean idea for people with land lines and home broadband. I have had this contract with t-mobile since they were known as one to one. Swapped once to get the spv e200 just so I could watch media such as this. then came back to t-mobile for compact, vario and now the vario 2. I don't have a land line so therefore the slingbox won't work for my family as this is my only means of net access. What I'm trying to do is streaming vid or music from my set top box or sat box (freesat - at present) then onto my brake out box for nvidia tv/vid card combie. Not perfect, but does the job as I save the media then drop it on to flash card to use later. But Recently I wanted to watch the nasa online tv station for latest launch, vario 2 just couldn't cope so I used my Tablet pc with vario 2 as the modem. It was good, but not true mobile tv. As for sat... Like I said before we pay for media via the products I.e ads, then they get upset cos you want to cancel. fair enough I was only paying 15 pounds per month, but for three shows a week such as lost, 24 and daybreak. it would have been cheaper to wait for the box sets. but I have ended up with Freesat which as you may know is better than a standard freeview box. bonus!

Girlfriend's Pantech Duo (how can I turn off 3g???)

10/07/08 10:27PM
really all that's important now is that I can disable 3G on her phone, and I just cant figure out how. Is there a simple registry edit or a smartphone comm manager around? I tried a few comm managers but they didnt really disable it, I just want it off so it always uses edge
It was time she got an upgrade, so I had her get the burgundy colored Pantech Duo. So as I've heard there is no Roms for this phone yet, so what should I do to her phone? where would i find some compatible homescreens? perhaps the Vox (wings) homescreens would be compatible? I'm not sure yet what I can do with the phone, Im gonna put HTC Home on it if that works.

o man im pissed to find out it doesnt have wifi!
here I was excited she can finally have internet in her room.
makes her and I even more mad that her sister's BlackJack II has wifi.
damn...no secret wifi chip inside the pantech that we didnt know about?

See if you can get your hands on a MicroSD wifi card... They make them but I don't think they're on the market, not sure... But the Duo supports it. Also, there's something called HomeScreenBuilder (use google to find it), it's free and very customizable for her homescreen in WM6. I just sold my Duo recently, but here are a few other programs to check out...
DuoSTT (Answer calls by sliding phone open, hang up by sliding closed)
SmartToolKit (Better start menu, task manager, cleaner look)
TCPMP and there's a flash plugin for IE to play youtube videos, search the att forums it's posted under pantech by my username
Opera Mobile browser, if you download the trial I can get you a serial # (Just go to "register opera" and PM me your device ID)

hey thanks! i didnt know they had a wireless microSD card.
Now I just need to wait till it's avaible somewhere, I hope the price isnt too bad..
I'll put some of these programs you've mentioned on, as well as HTC Home. Is there a customizer for it like there is for pocket pc? or a way to change which icons appear.

I bought this phone for my sister. I think its crippled a lil without Wifi, but she doesnt care about anything but the cool red color and 2 keyboards... *rolleyes*
But to the point, if you are looking for other software, I would recomment using Conduits Pocket Player if you/she would like some music on it. Also, Newegg is selling 4 gig microSD cards (SanDisk) for 14.99. Worth looking into, wish you luck.

There is a 6.1 windows rom upgrade beta rom out for this phone. I have had this phone for a few weeks and am liking it from my 3125 that died. This was a warrenty replacment for me. Figured I could use it for a year and then when my contract is up look around.

cp_kirkley said:
I bought this phone for my sister. I think its crippled a lil without Wifi, but she doesnt care about anything but the cool red color and 2 keyboards... *rolleyes*
But to the point, if you are looking for other software, I would recomment using Conduits Pocket Player if you/she would like some music on it. Also, Newegg is selling 4 gig microSD cards (SanDisk) for 14.99. Worth looking into, wish you luck.
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$14.99?? talk about a good deal! now only if they could make that WITH the wifi.
well at one point she too wouldnt have used wifi, but when i went over to her house and connected to the wifi at her house with my Tilt from "ANYWHERE INSIDE THE HOUSE **OMG**" now she really wanted it, i got her hopes up to cause i assumed every windows mobile phone had wifi, should make sense shouldnt it? well i guess not lol. she doesnt have computer in her room and the next best thing is if she could get on msn and look at her myspace from her phone in her room, lol.
As far as a media player, I'll probably just have her use tcpmp, being it's the best for music, although not the prettiest, maybe Coreplayer? but I've tried coreplayer and i wasnt able to add onto my playlist, only load a series of files at a time.

Will the Duo work with a 4gig card? I heard it will not read any higher then 2 gigs.

mikeeey said:
her sister's BlackJack II has wifi
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WTF? Since when did the BlackJack II have wi-fi!?!?!?!

Kraize92 said:
WTF? Since when did the BlackJack II have wi-fi!?!?!?!
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does it not have it?
lol there I go assuming things again...
Am I really that out of the loop? when did HTC stop using wifi in their new devices?
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you know what also pisses me off, her call quality is horrible, can barely hear what the person is saying, sounds like she has a blown speaker, but from reviews I've been reading this is really what it sounds like.
and what has pissed me of since the very beginning, was I didn't want her to get this phone originally, I wanted her to get the nokia N75 (she would like it better) but it has been discontinued now.. and there are not any other s60 devices right now.

veener79 said:
Will the Duo work with a 4gig card? I heard it will not read any higher then 2 gigs.
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I put my 6gb SDHC card in and the card icon showed at the top, but I was not able to explore the card, so besides that it didnt show up anywhere.
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well, because there is no Wifi, horrible camera, and horrible sound quality, i would not recomend this phone. However it does have a nice Xscale 416mhz processor. I tried some games in Finalburn and they ran very nicely!
for a smartphone I would get a nokia phone, but for a touchscreen phone I would get a windows pocket pc.
In my book Nokia wins the non touchscreen phones, I'd like to see them pull of a s60 device with a touchscreen.

mikeeey said:
does it not have it?
lol there I go assuming things again...
Am I really that out of the loop? when did HTC stop using wifi in their new devices?
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you know what also pisses me off, her call quality is horrible, can barely hear what the person is saying, sounds like she has a blown speaker, but from reviews I've been reading this is really what it sounds like.
and what has pissed me of since the very beginning, was I didn't want her to get this phone originally, I wanted her to get the nokia N75 (she would like it better) but it has been discontinued now.. and there are not any other s60 devices right now.
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Okay first off your avatar pic reminds me of a very good friend. But every skater looks like that. But secondly, The BlackJack II is made from Samsung. I dont know where you got HTC from Take the duo back and get a new phone. So far it's not that good. As far as I've heard. And I think that HTC stopped making smartphones and the BJ II is a smartphone. Well originally the BJ I had wi-fi (the european version anyway) but at&t decided to cripple it and take out the wi-fi chip. The BJ II was never actually released with a wi-fi chip. I actually suggest you tell her to get a BJ II or go for the Tilt since it's the only phone that at&t offers that has wi-fi (besides the iPhoney and the Crackberry)
Kraize

I dont recommend the tilt to anyone who isnt technically inclined and/or willing to tinker. It takes too much work to get the phone into a sweet spot. It will be a pain in the ass to update 2 - I barely have time to keep up with updating my own, lol.

I completely agree with you...my wife can't stand my tilt but she isn't tech savvy like I am.
I love the Tilt ONLY because of XDA though...if I weren't able to find the sweet spots I have I would have returned it long ago. I am spoiled...never again will I own a phone I can't customize as much as I do now.
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I dont recommend the tilt to anyone who isnt technically inclined and/or willing to tinker. It takes too much work to get the phone into a sweet spot. It will be a pain in the ass to update 2 - I barely have time to keep up with updating my own, lol.
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MrEous said:
I completely agree with you...my wife can't stand my tilt but she isn't tech savvy like I am.
I love the Tilt ONLY because of XDA though...if I weren't able to find the sweet spots I have I would have returned it long ago. I am spoiled...never again will I own a phone I can't customize as much as I do now.
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Really? I guess I'm just naturally tech savvy. My tilt is actually my second wm phone. I had the BlackJack first. I didn't find xda until maybe 2 months after I got my tilt. I had already customized it to my own knowledge, but this site made it even better. I guess you're right. It's probably best to stick with crackberry and nokia.

Kraize92 said:
Okay first off your avatar pic reminds me of a very good friend. But every skater looks like that. But secondly, The BlackJack II is made from Samsung. I dont know where you got HTC from Take the duo back and get a new phone. So far it's not that good. As far as I've heard. And I think that HTC stopped making smartphones and the BJ II is a smartphone. Well originally the BJ I had wi-fi (the european version anyway) but at&t decided to cripple it and take out the wi-fi chip. The BJ II was never actually released with a wi-fi chip. I actually suggest you tell her to get a BJ II or go for the Tilt since it's the only phone that at&t offers that has wi-fi (besides the iPhoney and the Crackberry)
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haha well if you live in washington that may be me..
well I have told her to return it and wait around the august - october area, but she says she will only return it if I can find a device now, well I have, but it's discontinued, the N75. But i know in a few months there will be more phones.
She doesnt like the blackjack II, and i dont blame her, I dont like phones that are wide and have the keyboard on the outside.
She likes my tilt but cant spend $300 - $500 lol

I also agree, i wouldnt like my tilt if it weren't for xda. the stock AT&T rom sucks, and it would be too plain!
well nokia requires just as much work, that is the fun of nokia, is you gota install the doom emulator and then customize it.

mikeeey said:
haha well if you live in washington that may be me..
well I have told her to return it and wait around the august - october area, but she says she will only return it if I can find a device now, well I have, but it's discontinued, the N75. But i know in a few months there will be more phones.
She doesnt like the blackjack II, and i dont blame her, I dont like phones that are wide and have the keyboard on the outside.
She likes my tilt but cant spend $300 - $500 lol
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Not really :S Can't she upgrade? My friend recently bought a tilt. It was $100 instant (making it $199 from $299) and then $100 mail-in-rebate (making it a final $99+tax).

Kraize92 said:
Not really :S Can't she upgrade? My friend recently bought a tilt. It was $100 instant (making it $199 from $299) and then $100 mail-in-rebate (making it a final $99+tax).
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really? i know buying it outright is $550, then with the 2 year contract it's $350, then with the rebate it's $250, but that's as cheap as I saw it..
even then i had to pay $350 for mine cause I guess you had to buy either the internet plan or messaging or something to get the rebate, and my parents didnt wanna do that.
I guess her dad told her she has to stick with this phone, so. yeah, gay, lol.

mikeeey said:
really? i know buying it outright is $550, then with the 2 year contract it's $350, then with the rebate it's $250, but that's as cheap as I saw it..
even then i had to pay $350 for mine cause I guess you had to buy either the internet plan or messaging or something to get the rebate, and my parents didnt wanna do that.
I guess her dad told her she has to stick with this phone, so. yeah, gay, lol.
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Guessing you're over 18? Random sorry lol. But how about the LG Vu? or the Moto Q global? The tilt is $149 /w 2 yr contract (after mir) in my zip code. Don't know why'd it be any different in yours. Well the refurb is anyways. The new one is $200. Link. Also check amazon.
EDIT: Wow, you bought your phone late. I bought mine in Feb 08 and it was $350 (/w tax) after rebates. (Although I payed for the phone myself and none of the monthly bills ha) If I didn't take messaging it would have been $450 for me. Some people were especially lucky. There was a time where the tilt was only $74.99 after rebate with a new contract on amazon. That also included messaging/internet. I really think it was worth it though. The rebate, not for you anyways since you would pay min $20 for 6months which would be $20 more than instead of getting the rebate. I had a employee discount which takes off 15% of my monthly bill, so it was a saving of about $25 so I took it. I mean what the heck who cares lol. At least I got messaging too. So my real total was about $425. Which is pretty hefty. Now going back, I could have bought a tilt from ebay or something for that price. :S well that's the problem with tech. It gets cheap too quick. Btw did you check out that slick new white BJII with the pink and the blue background? That totally looks sick. I would get that if it wasn't a BJII and a BJI instead lol