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Taking an Exec to the US: worthwhile???

Hey guys.
I'm just about up for an upgrade with O2 from my XDAs (which I adore, even though I use like 10% of its capabilities!!) but the problem is that I'm living in the US now. So, I really want the Exec, as it'll save me lugging a laptop about, but am worried that it'll get uber expensive to run here, due to crazy roaming costs.
I'm thinking about changing my tarrif over to a "Data Only" with 5mb per month, at some 8 Pounds a month, but am I right in saying that as soon as I log on to GPRS in the US that I'll be charged "Roaming" fees and that my 5mb will go untouched? If so, is there anyway to get around this, as I like the look and the functionality of the Exec, but don't really have a desire to fork out $1000 for one! Are there going to be any compatability issues in using a UK handset as a main device in the US? Are O2 going to let me swop from my 200 Minutes plan to an Online plan that costs just 8 Pounds? Are there any requirements to being a "Business User"? I've Emailed O2, but to say that they were unhelpful is a huge understatement and then some!!
Lastly: can I play Java games on it/my XDA? Whenever I go to an onlione store with Java games, all of the handsets I see are Motorola and Nokia, etc, and never an XDA. I'm asuming that it must be able to play them, but does anyone have any comments or tips on the process? Thanks guys.

Why dont you just use a sim card from the US depending on where you go you can just buy a sim card if your phone is unlocked hope that help

Hmm. Okay, I think that that would make sense (tbh, I hadn't thought of that!). Okay, is the Exec unlockable? If so, how does one go about it? IE: is it an easy process?

The Exec should already be unlocked: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=30330

yes all execs are unlocked. I have a spare one if you are willing to buy.

Hi GadgetGirl: thanks for the tip and link. I'll check it out.
Zillocx: thanks man, but I already have a line on one. Thanks for the offer though.

Teflon,
be sure to consider a T-Mobile USA SIM since T-Mobile uses GSM 1900 only which is the only US band that the Exec supports. Cingular uses GSM 850/1900 in most major US markets so you'd experience inconsistent since the Exec doesn't have GSM 850. T-Mobile USA is also the best US GSM network to use for data. They have unlimited data plans if you sign a contract with them. If I recall correctly, the unlimited plans run between $19.99 and $49.99 (Unlimited Internet Plan) per month.
http://www.t-mobile.com/services/webandinfo.asp (T-Zones Mobile Web Plan, $5.99/month)
http://www.t-mobile.com/plans/default.asp?tab=internet

I use a universal (Jasjar) and I live in the US, so I can tell you that it's definitely worthwhile I can also give you a bit of advice about a service provider...
Your two options for GSM providers are T-Mobile and Cingular. Like Triband said, T-Mobile only uses 1900MHz, so you know you'll get a signal as long as T-Mobile has coverage there. Cingular uses both 850MHz and 1900MHz, so you can run into some issues with Cingular. Generally, however, in the cities and more populated areas Cingular will have 1900MHz coverage while rural areas are more likely to be 850MHz only. Overall Cingular has better coverage then T-Mobile, but unfortunately there are no maps or anything available to consumers that show where they have 1900MHz coverage and where it is only 850MHz. I'm using Cingular with my Jasjar and I've had very few coverage problems.
Prepaid service in the US is considerably more than it would be with a contract, so if you're going to be in the US for a while, or you will be using your phone a lot you might not want to go prepaid (although I'm sure its much less than international roaming). Here Cingular has an advantage because they'll let you sign a month to month contract where you can cancel whenever you want. With T-Mobile you must sign a contract for a full year.
Please let me know if you have any other questions
Brett

Hi BrettS, where did you bought the Jasjar?

cktlcmd said:
Hi BrettS, where did you bought the Jasjar?
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I got mine from Expansys USA http://www.expansys-usa.com/
Brett

Hey guys,
Well, I just got married, so I'll be living in the US on a permanent basis. I'm towards the East Coast (New Haven, to be exact). My wife is American, and she's with Cingular, so that may be the way to go as calls between us would be free, from what she tells me. I'll do some detailed research into it, although further comments would be appreciated. I'll check out those links too. Now, if I can just get O2 to stop being such asses I'll be a happy man!!

BrettS said:
I got mine from Expansys USA http://www.expansys-usa.com/
Brett
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Do they have warranty on it or does I-mate honor the warranty no matter where you bought the unit? I saw that the I-mate Phone store has it too for 1200 USD. Why did you not bought it from them and opted for expansysUSA?

cktlcmd,
I have a Jasjar as well and I also got it from expansys. I use expansys because I purchased the previous two devices (XDA, I-mate PocketPC Phone ) from them. During my purchase of the Pocket PC phone, I original got the Qtek 2020 and I was not happy. They took it back and sent me the I-mate version without any issues. Overall all accessories and devices purchased from them have been a good experience. In all cases they did honor their 15 days policies if the product did not perform as expected.
Teflon, I am using Cingular and they seems to have the best coverage for GSM in the US. I am located in the East Coast.

USA SERVICE PLANS

Just wanted to know what service plans would be good for JasJar in the USA.
I use T-Mobile but of course we americans are lagging behind on mobile technology communications. I find I cannot use half of the features and it doesnt even have EDGE support. So wondering if any of you have T-Mobile in the USA and what service/internet plans are you using? :?:

I find I cannot use half of the features
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That's a bit of an exageration. The only thing you cannot use is 2100MHz UTMS. Everything else works fine.
You really only have Cingular and T-Mobile from which to pick in the US. Cingular has more coverage, but there are some 850MHz areas where the JasJar will not function as a phone. The TMo $20 unlimited gprs plan is pretty sweet. As others have lamented, the only thing this phone is missing (mostly for those of us on this side of the pond) is a quad-band radio, and EDGE or 1900MHz UTMS.

gadgetgirl said:
The TMo $20 unlimited gprs plan is pretty sweet.
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I definitely have to second this. I've looked at other plans, Cingular as well as going something "non-sim" before I got the Jasjar, and nothing seemed to come close to the $20 unlimited data with TMo. My minutes and data combined with TMo are less than the unlimited data alone with some others.
It all depends on your needs though. I don't spend a lot of time in areas that aren't covered by TMo, so that issue is moot and price can play a larger factor for me.

USA service plans
ahh I see your point. I just got the $20.00 unlimited data plan. Is there anything special needed to get it started. Does anybody know if Tmo will start coming out with 3G networks?

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ahh I see your point. I just got the $20.00 unlimited data plan. Is there anything special needed to get it started. Does anybody know if Tmo will start coming out with 3G networks?
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Unfortunately, the news on 3G networks in the USA is not very good for us Universal owners. Cingular has already started to implement their 3G service in a few markets in the US and will be expanding their 3G service in 2006. I haven't heard anything about T-Mobile's 3G plans yet. Unfortunately, however, Cingular's 3G network works at 1900MHz and T-Mobile's most likely will as well. This means that even if Cingular or T-Mobile provide 3G service the Universal won't work with it, because the Universal only supports 3G at 2100MHz.
In the US, the 2100MHz band currently belongs to the US Military and there are rumors that that band may be made available to cell phone providers in 2007, but even if that happens, but the time the band is available and the service providers start using it I'm sure that my universal will be obsolete.
I'm using a Universal in the USA right now, but I don't expect to ever be able to use it on a 3G network here.
Brett

EDGE on MDA Pro/JasJar
So you're saying EDGE won't work on the MDA Pro? According to T-Mobile, EDGE is already in place in most of its US network. Also, GPRS to EDGE from the providers standpoint basically involved a software update. Can this be done on the MDA Pro as well?
One final question. Anyone know how I can find out if my MDA Pro has the latest rom and where to get updates. My phone came from Germany (T-Mobile)?

The Universal does not do Edge afaik. The HTC Wizzard does do edge. So the only difference between the two for US users (who cant use 2100MHz UMTS) is the low res screen on the wizzard, and the fact that the wizzard is a whole lot more portable. Oh and the mini SD port!
Here in the UK, none of the networks support edge, which is a bit of a pain for wizzard owners! I would have had a wizzard for the smaller size if edge were available in UK, or if wizzard was 3G !
Nigel

Thanks
If I choose then to sell may MDA Pro, what would you recommend as being the most comparable item that will at least work with EDGE and UMTS @ 1900 in the USA. I am otherwise very satisfied but one reason why I paid a premium price was to have something that would not be obsolete too soon, be able to work with the next generation (3G) and be downward compatible (EDGE, GPRS).

I am happily using T-Mobile in the USA. I bought the jasjar knowing that I would be limited to GPRS on the data side. Its many other advantages make the compromise worth it to me.

I am happily using T-Mobile in the USA. I bought the jasjar knowing that I would be limited to GPRS on the data side. Its many other advantages make the compromise worth it to me.

US Carriers
I too am using my JasJar with T-Mobile in the US and am quite happy with the service. I recognize that I will not be able to use 3G with this device, but I'm OK with that. For me the features of the device far outweigh that single drawback.

Tmobile MDA versus Sidekick2/Sidekick3 versus Cingular 8125

Brand new to forum, so I apologize in advance....
I have Tmo for last 4 years, and a Sidekick device for 2 years (SK1, then upgraded to SK2). Now the SK3 is available, but it won't allow me to connect my laptop to GPRS/G3/EDGE, etc...
So now I am considering switching devices to either a Tmobile MDA or Cingular 8125 Pocket PC in order to connect my laptop to these wireless networks via a CF Bluetooth Wireless Card http://www.socketcom.com/product/BL4539-642.asp.
Cingular has a decent plan at $70/month unlimited, and Tmobile is around $100/month. I just wonder which device performs better for this function, the Cingular 8125 Pocket PC or the Tmobile MDA. I'm told that the Sidekick3 is bluetooth compatible, but the data plan is different than for the other devices because the SK3 uses the manufacturer server connections rather than Tmobile's own network. (This would explain why the SK2/SK3 data plan is unlimited versus the PC notebook datacard plans that Tmobile offers at a higher cost.) I really like the Cingular $70 unlimited plan, and the 8125 Pocket PC, but I am partial to the Sidekick device since it's familiar. In addition, I have Bluetooth stereo headphones (by IoGear) that utilize A2DP, but the reviews of the Cingular 8125 Pocket PC all indicate that it doesn't connect with A2DP. Is there a fix for this?
So back to my original question: Who suggests which device over the other for connecting a laptop to the wireless networks (such as EDGE/G3/GPRS, but not WiFi), and what kind of connection speed would I expect to obtain?
Any feedback and advice appreciated.

First of all the Cingular 8125 and T-Mobile MDA are almost the same device sans the casing.
As far as I have known T-Mobile is trailing Cingular when it comes to the Data Server. While Cingular is getting ready for full 3G connectivity, T-Mobile just launched their EDGE server a couple of months ago.
There is actually a huge difference using a device like a Sidekick and a Pocket PC ... while the Sidekick is fun and really popular here in the US, the Pocket PC is slowly starting to be recognized here ... The Pocket PC is a more versatile device compared to a SideKick aka Danger Hiptop or Blackberry ... While all of them are similar functionality, each device is geared toward a different market. BlackBerry is obviously for the business / corporate crowd while the SideKick is for the student / young mobile users. The pocket pc is on both extremities ... it can be for fun and a serious workhorse ...
I would honestly hold off from getting the 8125 or the MDA (or the rest of the world knows is as the MDA Vario) since there is an upgraded model of these devices called HTC Hermes / TyTn / Qtek 9600 / XDA Trion which offers full 3G capability not like the 8125 and the (US) MDA which only uses EDGE.
From experience, either just bring your mobile device (i.e. pocket pc) and use to surf the net ...(that's how i use my XDA Exec / HTC Universal) or just get a separate data card for your laptop ... then if you want to have internet connectivity on your laptop just move your SIM card to your data card and you won't any bluetooth issues!
with bluetooth headset issues, the original ROM which was shipping with obth MDA and 8125 weren't ready for that but there are updates for these ROMs which make them compatible ...
enjoy!

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I would honestly hold off from getting the 8125 or the MDA (or the rest of the world knows is as the MDA Vario) since there is an upgraded model of these devices called HTC Hermes / TyTn / Qtek 9600 / XDA Trion which offers full 3G capability not like the 8125 and the (US) MDA which only uses EDGE.
enjoy!
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Great information!!! I am going to get the 8125 and unlock it to use with my T-Mobile service in a couple of weeks... Do you think I should also hold out for the HTC Hermes??? When is it comming out??? I wont be using EDGE at all, I will be using Wifi. So do you think it would be worth it for me to wait???
Rjp20

is both those odd very locked sidekicks and blackbarry
mainly a american thing ?
never seen much of them other places
apart from ppl wanting pda's to do push stuff like bbarry can

Hey RJP20,
well, it depends if you are just waiting for Cingular / T-Mobile to release them in the US ..... if you are then you'll wait a LOOOOOOOOONG time ... while if your willing to buy the device without a plan the upgraded version will be available in the next month or so ...
if you are just using the WiFi capability, well it would depend on you, but the upgrade isn't just on 3G but also the processor speed as well. Look into getting a HTC Universal if you want it for surfing the 'net through WiFi ... it has the largest screen ...
i don't really see the point of getting a Cingular 8125 / T-Mobile MDA (Vario) and not using the EDGE/3G capability and just using the WiFi component ... i would rather get the Sony VAIO UX series palm sized PC... well that's my 2 cents worth ...
Hey Rudegar,
Yup you are totally correct. The US market is quite odd when it comes to mobile devices. Actually Sidekicks are just for T-Mobile in the US while Blackberries are locked to a phone carrier which is very odd since the hardware is all the same. Essentially you can unlock all of these phones and uses on either network but a vast majority of users here do not know what is the technology behind the wireless devices.
It's a little more complex here in the US since the rest of the world basically uses GSM/GPRS/EDGE technology, here in the US, 50% of the users are using CDMA devices which is basically a standard which should've been laid to rest because you are limited to whatever devices the carrier sells or if you could find an "unlocked" CDMA phone ...
There is an aggressive marketing plan here in the US to keep the competition between GSM and CDMA at a very high level.... proof? ... well the largest CDMA based carried is Verizon and who owns Verizon? it's one of the biggest GSM carriers in the world - Vodafone ... The only way Vodafone would be able to get into the US Market was to use CDMA technology and not GSM according to the government.

Just out of curiosity, why do think there will be such a long wait for Cingular/T-Mobile to release Hermes in the U.S. associated with plans?

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Hey RJP20,
There is an aggressive marketing plan here in the US to keep the competition between GSM and CDMA at a very high level.... proof? ... well the largest CDMA based carried is Verizon and who owns Verizon? it's one of the biggest GSM carriers in the world - Vodafone ... The only way Vodafone would be able to get into the US Market was to use CDMA technology and not GSM according to the government.
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not to come on strong but if you really knew where verizon came from you wouldnt be saying that. verizon is one part of the former AT&T or as it is referred to as MA BELL. if that isnt enough infrmation then i suggest google. cingular was also born out of this.

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Hey RJP20,
There is an aggressive marketing plan here in the US to keep the competition between GSM and CDMA at a very high level.... proof? ... well the largest CDMA based carried is Verizon and who owns Verizon? it's one of the biggest GSM carriers in the world - Vodafone ... The only way Vodafone would be able to get into the US Market was to use CDMA technology and not GSM according to the government.
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not to come on strong but if you really knew where verizon came from you wouldnt be saying that. verizon is one part of the former AT&T or as it is referred to as MA BELL. if that isnt enough infrmation then i suggest google. cingular was also born out of this.

using 8525 on tmobile

hey guys, i might be buying an 8525 soon, and i'm just wondering two things:
1- does cingular unlock it for me (my wife uses cingular, and was just gonna get her to call in and unlock it for me), otherwise, what reputable place to you guys advise?
2- once i'm on tmobile, will i have 3G speeds? will the internet work if i have an internet plan?
3- also the guy is asking for 280, he says barely used for a month, what do u think about that?
thanks for all ur help!!
omar

I think you should buy one from Cingular for 199 bucks.. if your wife is eligible for an upgrade it would cost you 217 bucks for a refurbished 8525 <I paid 99 bucks for mine, before they realized it was too cheap>
Cingular will only unlock it if you are going out of the country for an extended period of time, or if you are not currently under contract with them.. I think the initial 2 years of the contract has to have been expired..
The 3G thing, I'm not sure..

hey, i went online and the 8525 is 299 with a 2 yr contract. i dunno if my wife is elgible for an upgrade, i'll call and ask, but even then, i'd prefer to pay less to get it without extending her contract for 2 yrs..
and i'll just tell cingular i'm going out of teh country...

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hey guys, i might be buying an 8525 soon, and i'm just wondering two things:
1- does cingular unlock it for me (my wife uses cingular, and was just gonna get her to call in and unlock it for me), otherwise, what reputable place to you guys advise?
2- once i'm on tmobile, will i have 3G speeds? will the internet work if i have an internet plan?
3- also the guy is asking for 280, he says barely used for a month, what do u think about that?
thanks for all ur help!!
omar
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1. If you buy it, you can follow the instructions on this site to unlock it, here.
2. T-Mobile is currently upgrading their network to support 3G speeds. If you have an internet plan... OF COURSE THE INTERNET WILL WORK!
3. $280 is a really good price, I'd take it. Madcap mentioned $199, but that's only if you get a new plan with ATT or renew your current one (which you will be doing neither).
Good luck!

Yeah, true, I had to add a new line.. and now I just looked they dont even have refurbished 8525's anymore.. when they were selling for 99 bucks everyone must have bought them.. lol..
Taurus, ur 8125 and 8525 really get stolen?

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Taurus, ur 8125 and 8525 really get stolen?
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Yeah, they sure did. I'm pretty bummed about it.

you'll only get EDGE speed, not 3G and even when Tmobile releases its 3G service, the 8525 doesn't have the right radio or whatever to get that (tmobile's 3g will use 1700)

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you'll only get EDGE speed, not 3G and even when Tmobile releases its 3G service, the 8525 doesn't have the right radio or whatever to get that (tmobile's 3g will use 1700)
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correct
i was just going to post that

How the heck did they BOTH get stolen? You get broken into or something? wow.. Are you getting them replaced?

Unlocking the 8125 and 8525 is trivial, as others have mentioned. You don't need to contact AT&T to do it, and likely anyone you talk to in their customer service department will have no idea what you're talking about....
I have an older 8125 that I unlocked and am using it with TMobile now. I'm still using the Cingular ROM on it, too, and everything works on it. I just had to go into all of the telephone options and click on "Get Settings" for every option to retrieve the proper settings for TMobile. However, I didn't provision it with a data plan, I just use WiFi with it.
You can probably live without 3G, as I'm sure you've discovered by now that internet browsing really sucks on these things, and email doesn't require much bandwidth.

im really excited that 3G finally is coming to T-Mobile.
but at the same time, im curious and anxious if my 8525 will run on T-Mob's..
reading the posts above, 8525 will never get the 1700 Mhz signal, but I read around that T-Mob also bought the 2100 Mhz spectrum, and doesnt 8525 has the radio to jump on to that bandwith too right?
i thought i asked you guys who might know a few more things than i do..

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im really excited that 3G finally is coming to T-Mobile.but at the same time, im curious and anxious if my 8525 will run on T-Mob's..reading the posts above, 8525 will never get the 1700 Mhz signal, but I read around that T-Mob also bought the 2100 Mhz spectrum, and doesnt 8525 has the radio to jump on to that bandwith too right?i thought i asked you guys who might know a few more things than i do..
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unfortunately, it doesn't look like it will work without 1700: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2476498

awww crap..
but why is that though?
i mean, why do they need 1700 Mhz AND 2100 Mhz freq to operate..?

T-Mobile to have 3G by Summer

Well, according to Boy Genius Report T-mobile will be rolling out their 3G network by summer 2008 which is long overdue. What I'm curious about is how this will affect current users and rates. Will I have to buy a new phone or will my wing be able to use the new 3G network? Will the data rates go up or change from unlimited? Anybody heard any information on this?

Their 3G system is still GSM compatible, so having a wing is still ok. But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)
As far as rates go: I dunno.
I'll just be glad when they stop messing around with the towers and service here.

will this affect the sucky EDGE??...
will they finish before AT&T?!
will it mean more stability in the connections??
will living near an airport mean you'll still get knocked off when a plane flies overhead??
who knows!.. but we will definitely find out sooner or later, right?

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Their 3G system is still GSM compatible, so having a wing is still ok. But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)
As far as rates go: I dunno.
I'll just be glad when they stop messing around with the towers and service here.
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Awesome! Hopefully I'll be able to stream some decent videos and data on my wing once 3G comes around! Edge sucks when it comes to that. Appriciate the info!

But I thought the Wing is not 3G capable.

it would only make sense that the 2g network and equipment will still work until everyone has slowly migrated over to the new 3g network and the first phones would work on both networks.

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.... But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)....
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I wanted the Tilt so damn bad I was almost willing to switch providers, but when I found out I could get a Wing for 79 bucks I stuck with T-Mo, thinking I'd wait ANOTHER year for them to roll out 3g. I would just have to buy a Kaiser if they came out with one that wasn't hobbled. (Can't someone put a 624mhz processor, and a decent amount of RAM in one of these? Is that too much to ask?)
Ya' know, maybe I should rethink that. I used a Psion 5 for years before switching to an iPAQ 2215, then a 2755-- all the while thinking: "Man, if I could get a keyboard, phone and Pocket PC rolled into one, that would be the best!"
I've had a Wing for a couple of months and I don't honestly recall one time that I've used the keyboard. Of course, it's keyboard is a piece of junk compared to the Psion 5's, but using the iPAQ's for so long conditioned me into a stylus typist.
I really have high hopes for Firefox portable on 3g though. This summer?--- well, I guess we've all heard that before!

I have heard different things, i surfed the net and these forums and i still get different things. all i wanna know is, is the wing compatible with the new 3G network coming out this summer?

No.
it will connect to the available compatible frequency. The expected 3/3.5G network will operate at a different frequency that the wing's radio doesn't connect to.
unless the newer radio roms somehow added that connection to that frequency... then no.

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No.
it will connect to the available compatible frequency. The expected 3/3.5G network will operate at a different frequency that the wing's radio doesn't connect to.
unless the newer radio roms somehow added that connection to that frequency... then no.
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haha.. F*** it then.. Bye Bye Wing.. and Hello Kaiser.. Well i hope Tmobile gets the TyTn 2.. ill be set with that..

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haha.. F*** it then.. Bye Bye Wing.. and Hello Kaiser.. Well i hope Tmobile gets the TyTn 2.. ill be set with that..
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By the time T-mobile has their 3/3.5G..3.5+??.. network up and running smoothly.. HTC might well have a better and much sexier phone than the TyTn II....and from what I could tell the MDA Vario III is higher model of it than the original :O..unlike the Tilt which is a lower model but has this 1 advantage over it's big brother.. hope T-Mobile doesnt water down the Vario III before it gets over here, or should I say if?...and a maybe $300-$500 price tag for Vario III(via upgrade or contract and if they wait long enough it might be running a stock full, stable WinMobile 6.1 rather than buggy leaked one)versus $800+ for Kaiser? not to mention the still unsolved video drivers travesty with it :'(... new Touch Cruise and the P6500(Sedna) are pretty freaking sweet even compared to HTC's flagship TyTn II.
I actually love my phone enough that I might wait till next year for a phone with stock WinMobile 7 and all the freaky powers, motion sensor technology, and processors that phones running it are going to need. Those r going to make my Wing look like Razr! :'( I'll miss you Wing...btw, the TyTn II/Kaiser won't be able to run a lot of the previewed Windows Mobile 7 features either.

T-Mobiles 3G is slated to be substantially faster than AT&T's.
No one knows for sure if current 3G phones will work, but I have a Hermes and I'm being locked out of my internet in South Florida due to 3G testing, so i'm assuming it will work when it's released since I'm hitting a firewall right now.
A t-mobile rep on that board said they are going to have new pricing, so it's most likely going to be more expensive.

Questions...
I wonder if the prices for the unlimited data plans will change for people who are already in contracts. I'm paying an extra $19.99/month for the Total Internet add-on right now. Guess I'll just have to wait and see...

The Wing has 3G just not the one that we think is compatible to the new network right?

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No one knows for sure if current 3G phones will work
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Ummm, isnt Tmo's 3G supposed to be on the 1700 MHz band? That means the tilt etc wont work........

I'm hearing mixed things from everyone. I hope the wing will work but no one knows for sure.

Wing To Shift
im gonna change to the shift soon and hopefully i dont have problems with service

A T-Mobile wing is not a 3G phone so drop it and get a 3G phone