Hi, I recently updated my Cingular 8125 to the latest I-Mate ROM, and noticed Outlook is gone. My first question is: Where can I get this back? and if the process isn't so easy, where can I get another 'pull' client that takes from pop3 and sends from smtp?
Also, do you need a server for push email? As my computer is usually not on, I can't set up a server to push it to my Wizard.
when you upgrae your ROM you lose everything on the phone. it's essentially the mother of hard resets. when you sync with your pc inbox again it will return.
push email does indeed require a server, either exchange 2003 sp2 or you need a hosted email account that supports push
Hi all, im kind of new to this but i just read about push email with exchange server and i was wondering how i could use it with my mda vario. I've already installed an updated rom with push email but i dont know how to use it. can any one fill me in on this? thanks for any help.
You need a Exchange 2003 server with at least SP2 installed. Also a UMTS/GPRS connection because is not working over WIFI.
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Go to www.mail2web.com, sign up there. Than put the settings from the website in the Exchange Server settings in Active Sync on your PPC. Set your current email address to automatically forward your email to your mail2web email address. Enable GPRS and enable push email from the Comm Manager and bingo, push email is yours.
Ok, ive already signed up with mail2web but i want to automatically retrieve hotmail emails. i don't see an option on hotmail to forward all my emails to mail2web. am i missing something here? sorry, im inexperienced and all and these are probably lame questions and all. but please help me out. after reading that article i got hyped up in doing this. thanks for any replies.
Bitfrotter said:
You need a Exchange 2003 server with at least SP2 installed. Also a UMTS/GPRS connection because is not working over WIFI.
Bitfrotter 8)
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I've gotten DirectPush to work over WiFi... Maybe that was an earlier ROM version though... I don't recall the circumstances under which I got it to work.
MS says that Direct Push does not work over WiFi. WiFi does not allow disconnected connections (in other words, a connection that allows for the data stream to be suspended). If WiFi did it, it would require a continuous connection that would drain the batteries at a very rapid pace.
Setting up Exchange for Direct Push is pretty easy. I set up ours in about 5 minutes.
One of the coolest things you can do with a correctly configured Exchange 2003 system is with the Mobile Admin pack (free download from MS). It allows you to tell the PDA that it needs to "self-destruct" in case the phone is stolen. A remote wipe will do a hard-reset on the phone, deleting all data not stored on an external SD.
I usually get my email on the MDA faster than Outlook on my desktop.
If any Exchange admins are out there, I can post how to set it up if anyone needs help.
exchange/activesync
Yes please!
Hotmail has deleted the possibility of forwarding mail automatically a few years ago in the free version, only Hotmail Plus subscribers can use this option. With gmail however it is still free. So a basic hotmail account will not be able to use Push over Exchange. You can however sign in to MSN Messenger on your device and will then be notified as soon as an email arrives on the hotmail server. This will cost you extra data charges though, since contacts coming online will also result in data transfer to your device.
Romp said:
MS says that Direct Push does not work over WiFi. WiFi does not allow disconnected connections (in other words, a connection that allows for the data stream to be suspended). If WiFi did it, it would require a continuous connection that would drain the batteries at a very rapid pace.
Setting up Exchange for Direct Push is pretty easy. I set up ours in about 5 minutes.
One of the coolest things you can do with a correctly configured Exchange 2003 system is with the Mobile Admin pack (free download from MS). It allows you to tell the PDA that it needs to "self-destruct" in case the phone is stolen. A remote wipe will do a hard-reset on the phone, deleting all data not stored on an external SD.
I usually get my email on the MDA faster than Outlook on my desktop.
If any Exchange admins are out there, I can post how to set it up if anyone needs help.
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that would be awesome if you know of a tutorial anywhere on this..
so by creating an exchange server as romp said, you can sync any email including hotmail? well that's really a bummer that microsoft disabled forwarding on hotmail. Its mainly my primary email which all my friends/family know. so it would be a miracle if anyone knew how to sync hotmail without subscribing to their hotmail plus.
Well, getting outside emails are a bit more complex. This is usually for a business, but there are plenty of POP-to-Exchange plug ins that would allow getting Hotmail emails. Of course, you would need the Hotmail Plus for the POP.
http://www.slipstick.com/exs/popconnect.htm
My answer was more concerning the Exchange Direct push question, not the hotmail one.
Where I work (yes, I did set up the Exchange system) we have GFI spam filtering and virus filtering (www.gfi.com) and they have a POP2Exchange bridge included. It just checks the account, downloads any POP emails, and drops it in the right mailbox.
Exchange is a complete system, not just mail. It has webmail, Windows Mobile direct push, calendar, contacts, and more. Unless you are in a company with Exchange or Small Business Server, its not a cheap thing to do for a home network.
If you DO have Exchange at your office, run to the IT guy and hurt him until he sets your phone up on it. Its all the functionality of Blackberry and more, built into Exchange.
I'll write that tutorial, g0nk.
ok so if we go the mail2web route... i dont need to install exchange 2003 on a pc myself? does it only work on windows server 2003?
im interested in doing this at my job but i want to make sure it is not too difficult
edit.. well we have our own domain email addresses so the [email protected] is not an option..
any suggestions?
Romp said:
Exchange is a complete system, not just mail. It has webmail, Windows Mobile direct push, calendar, contacts, and more.
If you DO have Exchange at your office, run to the IT guy and hurt him until he sets your phone up on it. Its all the functionality of Blackberry and more, built into Exchange.
I'll write that tutorial, g0nk.
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1) Agreed
2) I am the IT guy and it don't work on our server - the rootcertificate won't install to the PPC - an MS acknowledged problem............
3) Please forward ASAP !! Thanks !! :lol:
Is it a self published cert? Because you CAN get any externally issued cert to work just fine. We use a $15 GoDaddy cert with no problems.
The big screw up most people have with the cert (myself included) is that the cert is not correctly installed, even though it says it is.
Cheaper certs are called "Chained" certs. All certs need a path back to one of the big cert companies. So, companies like GoDaddy get approved to be second level cert issuers. IE on the PC will look at the cert and track it back to the main cert issuer. For example, the cert on GoDaddy goes from GoDaddy, to Starfield, to VeriCert. The VeriCert certificate is installed on all PCs.
Anyway, the problem is that the PC can follow an undefined cert path, the PPC can't. If you install the cert on the server, IE on the PC can figure out the whole path, PPC can't. So, the big thing is to make sure the MIDDLE CERTS are installed on the server. Even though everything seems fine, chances are that the middle ones are not (in this case STARFIELD)
The easiest way to find out if the cert is valid or not is try to get to your webmail on PIE. If you get a message about the cert, your server is not set up completely.
For my server, I had no luck until I found the Intermediary Cert and installed it. https://certificates.starfieldtech.com/Repository.go
Once that was done, my GoDaddy cert worked on the PPC and syncs went perfectly. Once the server has all the certs in the cert path installed, the PPC can validate each level. Until then, its clueless. Most people think you need to install the cert on the PPC. Its the server that needs it.
Does the self published cert only cause problems with direct push? I've got the "old" polling method working. I created a root CA on my server to sign the cert created for the web server and then turned that root CA into a CAB which was installed on the PPC. I should say that my phone doesn't have an AKU 2.xx rom on yet so I've not tested push mail.
This is all outlined in the following doc :
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/mobile/deploy/msfpdepguide.mspx
Also look at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/817379 if you are running a non sbs2003 exchange server in a configuration that doesn't have a front end/back end exchange server configuration. As there are some minor tweeks needed to the registry and to the default web server setup.
If you can do a remote Activesync, then DirectPush will work just fine.
A newbie Direct Push question:
I upgraded my 8125 ROM to the official Cingular June 19 version, and direct push SEEMS to be working great my my Hosted Exchange provider. When new email comes in to my Exchange server and/or a task / calendar / contact is changed on the desktop Outlook client, those get pushed quickly to the 8125.
Problem is, it doesn't seem to work in reverse. For example, IF I get an email pushed to me on my PDA, I read it and delete it on my PDA.....that deletion action is NOT getting syncronized back to my Exchange server. Is that by design, or is indeed something wrong?
Thanks in advance!
not sure if it helps, but you can change when pocket outlook deletes mail, there are 3 options:
on connect/disconnect
immediately
manually
I dunno if changing that will help you at all, but its in the pocket outlook options.
I'll shut up now, in case I misunderstood
jmel said:
not sure if it helps, but you can change when pocket outlook deletes mail, there are 3 options:
on connect/disconnect
immediately
manually
I dunno if changing that will help you at all, but its in the pocket outlook options.
I'll shut up now, in case I misunderstood
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I appreciate your reply, but my question is beyond that......it centers around Driect Push.....my thinking is, regardless of that setting you referred to, once the email is deleted on the PDA, the PDA should "reverse-push" that deletion to the Exchange server, and mine does not seem to be doing that.
I hope that is a little clearer?
No, his answer was right. The reverse of the Push is not the same. You have to set the options as Jmel suggested. Its basically to save data.
This allows you to go through your mail, delete all your spam and crap, then update the server. Doing so immediately would be a waste. Recieving/sending emails is considered vital, deleting them...not so much.
I just updated my phone from the 1.08 rom and in the comm manager I now have a 'direct push' button but it is greyed out. Any way for me to use this feature?
You need an Exchange Server 2003 with SP2 now that your phone is Direct Push ready with the Messaging and Security Feature Pack (MSFP) with this ROM upgrade. If you don't have access to an Exchange 2003 server I believe that Mail2Web can be used, though I've no knowledge firsthand. And I'm sure there's others, just use the <search> here or google it.
Good luck!
yes, it is possible to use this feature with this rom (I am). the first step is to get access to an exchange server. If you do not have a corporate exchange server, I would recommend trying it out with the free service from mail2web.com first (this is what I use) simply b/c it is free. If you need more features later, you can always upgrade... To start, go to activesync on the phone. Go into options and click configure server, and enter your server details (can be found in help on mail2web, or from your corporate IT department) Make sure that it is set to sync as new items arrive... That icon you saw in the menu should be in color... If not click it to enable push...
The way I use it is I have gmail forward a copy of all incoming mail to the mail2web email acct. the phone syncs with the exchange server automatically when I get a new mail. I also sync contacts, tasks, and notes...
Remember that this remains connected to the net at all times, although not using much data, and it auto downloads new mail ect... so if you don't have unlimited data, I would watch it closely, at least to start off...
I would definitly try it out, personally I love it. I hope this helps and if you have any problems please let me know. Lastly I wrote all this on my wizard, so please pardon any spelling or grammer errors...
i planned on using mail2web, but the button is greyed out. wouldnt i needto be able to select it to set it up?
As Starcruiser1229 said, configure in ActiveSync. Direct Push button is an On/Off toggle while ActiveSync is where you configure.
I have my own Exchange server and am not familiar with hosted servers but maybe here at http://services.mail2web.com/FreeServices/m2wLive/ you'll find what you need.
Good luck.
yes, they call the service mail2web live... I wish I had my own exchange server! anyway, good luck with the setup and if you need more help just post...
thanks a lot. sorry for my misreading. im gonna try it out now. thanks.
I'm new here, and I go to Comm Manager on my Touch, and Microsoft Direct Push is turned off, and I mean greyed out. So, how do I set up Outlook, and/or my Gmail for direct push? Now, my data keeps randomly turning off, I love this phone, but sometimes it is bipolar.
The Microsoft Direct Push for email is for when you have setup and Exchange server connection via Activesync.
For instance, I have Microsoft Exchange at my work, and I got the webmail server address setup in the Activesync for my Touch, and now when my work account gets an email, I get it almost at the exact same time on my phone.
Gmail by itself doesn't do direct-push, it can do POP3 or IMAP. So you can setup the POP or IMAP connection via adding an email account through the messaging on your phone, but you'll have to specify when you want the phone to go out and check for new mail. There are a few options out there that let you add your gmail settings to some websites that offer the Microsoft Exchange server connection, some free, some paid, and you can do it that way. Just gotta do some searching buddy.
Does this Microsoft Direct Push allow us receiving emails like the blackberry??
I am trying to configure Microsoft Direct Push on my HTC HD2
I tried Gmail and Hotmail accounts, but it asks for domain name and server name. where can I find those??
The browser "worked well" but page load speeds on EDGE were just as slow as expected. It sounds like 3G users will have a tough run with this, rather like Blackberry, as
opposed to having the device have to go off and ask the email server for a
list of emails and then decide which ones it should download.as I understand it, the high bandwidth overhead of Direct Push is in part due to the way the heartbeat works and the fact that it will send a new package every time:
You will indeed need an Exchange server email account to activate this feature. On the other hand, Hot mail supports Direct Push through Windows Live which should be loaded on your device and needs to be configured.
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You will indeed need an Exchange server email account to activate this feature. On the other hand, Hot mail supports Direct Push through Windows Live which should be loaded on your device and needs to be configured.
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Exchange will push/sync calendar, task and email as well as sync SMS.
Hotmail will only push email.
To configure gmail using direct push follow the instructions here.