Hi all, im kind of new to this but i just read about push email with exchange server and i was wondering how i could use it with my mda vario. I've already installed an updated rom with push email but i dont know how to use it. can any one fill me in on this? thanks for any help.
You need a Exchange 2003 server with at least SP2 installed. Also a UMTS/GPRS connection because is not working over WIFI.
Bitfrotter 8)
Go to www.mail2web.com, sign up there. Than put the settings from the website in the Exchange Server settings in Active Sync on your PPC. Set your current email address to automatically forward your email to your mail2web email address. Enable GPRS and enable push email from the Comm Manager and bingo, push email is yours.
Ok, ive already signed up with mail2web but i want to automatically retrieve hotmail emails. i don't see an option on hotmail to forward all my emails to mail2web. am i missing something here? sorry, im inexperienced and all and these are probably lame questions and all. but please help me out. after reading that article i got hyped up in doing this. thanks for any replies.
Bitfrotter said:
You need a Exchange 2003 server with at least SP2 installed. Also a UMTS/GPRS connection because is not working over WIFI.
Bitfrotter 8)
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I've gotten DirectPush to work over WiFi... Maybe that was an earlier ROM version though... I don't recall the circumstances under which I got it to work.
MS says that Direct Push does not work over WiFi. WiFi does not allow disconnected connections (in other words, a connection that allows for the data stream to be suspended). If WiFi did it, it would require a continuous connection that would drain the batteries at a very rapid pace.
Setting up Exchange for Direct Push is pretty easy. I set up ours in about 5 minutes.
One of the coolest things you can do with a correctly configured Exchange 2003 system is with the Mobile Admin pack (free download from MS). It allows you to tell the PDA that it needs to "self-destruct" in case the phone is stolen. A remote wipe will do a hard-reset on the phone, deleting all data not stored on an external SD.
I usually get my email on the MDA faster than Outlook on my desktop.
If any Exchange admins are out there, I can post how to set it up if anyone needs help.
exchange/activesync
Yes please!
Hotmail has deleted the possibility of forwarding mail automatically a few years ago in the free version, only Hotmail Plus subscribers can use this option. With gmail however it is still free. So a basic hotmail account will not be able to use Push over Exchange. You can however sign in to MSN Messenger on your device and will then be notified as soon as an email arrives on the hotmail server. This will cost you extra data charges though, since contacts coming online will also result in data transfer to your device.
Romp said:
MS says that Direct Push does not work over WiFi. WiFi does not allow disconnected connections (in other words, a connection that allows for the data stream to be suspended). If WiFi did it, it would require a continuous connection that would drain the batteries at a very rapid pace.
Setting up Exchange for Direct Push is pretty easy. I set up ours in about 5 minutes.
One of the coolest things you can do with a correctly configured Exchange 2003 system is with the Mobile Admin pack (free download from MS). It allows you to tell the PDA that it needs to "self-destruct" in case the phone is stolen. A remote wipe will do a hard-reset on the phone, deleting all data not stored on an external SD.
I usually get my email on the MDA faster than Outlook on my desktop.
If any Exchange admins are out there, I can post how to set it up if anyone needs help.
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that would be awesome if you know of a tutorial anywhere on this..
so by creating an exchange server as romp said, you can sync any email including hotmail? well that's really a bummer that microsoft disabled forwarding on hotmail. Its mainly my primary email which all my friends/family know. so it would be a miracle if anyone knew how to sync hotmail without subscribing to their hotmail plus.
Well, getting outside emails are a bit more complex. This is usually for a business, but there are plenty of POP-to-Exchange plug ins that would allow getting Hotmail emails. Of course, you would need the Hotmail Plus for the POP.
http://www.slipstick.com/exs/popconnect.htm
My answer was more concerning the Exchange Direct push question, not the hotmail one.
Where I work (yes, I did set up the Exchange system) we have GFI spam filtering and virus filtering (www.gfi.com) and they have a POP2Exchange bridge included. It just checks the account, downloads any POP emails, and drops it in the right mailbox.
Exchange is a complete system, not just mail. It has webmail, Windows Mobile direct push, calendar, contacts, and more. Unless you are in a company with Exchange or Small Business Server, its not a cheap thing to do for a home network.
If you DO have Exchange at your office, run to the IT guy and hurt him until he sets your phone up on it. Its all the functionality of Blackberry and more, built into Exchange.
I'll write that tutorial, g0nk.
ok so if we go the mail2web route... i dont need to install exchange 2003 on a pc myself? does it only work on windows server 2003?
im interested in doing this at my job but i want to make sure it is not too difficult
edit.. well we have our own domain email addresses so the [email protected] is not an option..
any suggestions?
Romp said:
Exchange is a complete system, not just mail. It has webmail, Windows Mobile direct push, calendar, contacts, and more.
If you DO have Exchange at your office, run to the IT guy and hurt him until he sets your phone up on it. Its all the functionality of Blackberry and more, built into Exchange.
I'll write that tutorial, g0nk.
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1) Agreed
2) I am the IT guy and it don't work on our server - the rootcertificate won't install to the PPC - an MS acknowledged problem............
3) Please forward ASAP !! Thanks !! :lol:
Is it a self published cert? Because you CAN get any externally issued cert to work just fine. We use a $15 GoDaddy cert with no problems.
The big screw up most people have with the cert (myself included) is that the cert is not correctly installed, even though it says it is.
Cheaper certs are called "Chained" certs. All certs need a path back to one of the big cert companies. So, companies like GoDaddy get approved to be second level cert issuers. IE on the PC will look at the cert and track it back to the main cert issuer. For example, the cert on GoDaddy goes from GoDaddy, to Starfield, to VeriCert. The VeriCert certificate is installed on all PCs.
Anyway, the problem is that the PC can follow an undefined cert path, the PPC can't. If you install the cert on the server, IE on the PC can figure out the whole path, PPC can't. So, the big thing is to make sure the MIDDLE CERTS are installed on the server. Even though everything seems fine, chances are that the middle ones are not (in this case STARFIELD)
The easiest way to find out if the cert is valid or not is try to get to your webmail on PIE. If you get a message about the cert, your server is not set up completely.
For my server, I had no luck until I found the Intermediary Cert and installed it. https://certificates.starfieldtech.com/Repository.go
Once that was done, my GoDaddy cert worked on the PPC and syncs went perfectly. Once the server has all the certs in the cert path installed, the PPC can validate each level. Until then, its clueless. Most people think you need to install the cert on the PPC. Its the server that needs it.
Does the self published cert only cause problems with direct push? I've got the "old" polling method working. I created a root CA on my server to sign the cert created for the web server and then turned that root CA into a CAB which was installed on the PPC. I should say that my phone doesn't have an AKU 2.xx rom on yet so I've not tested push mail.
This is all outlined in the following doc :
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/mobile/deploy/msfpdepguide.mspx
Also look at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/817379 if you are running a non sbs2003 exchange server in a configuration that doesn't have a front end/back end exchange server configuration. As there are some minor tweeks needed to the registry and to the default web server setup.
If you can do a remote Activesync, then DirectPush will work just fine.
A newbie Direct Push question:
I upgraded my 8125 ROM to the official Cingular June 19 version, and direct push SEEMS to be working great my my Hosted Exchange provider. When new email comes in to my Exchange server and/or a task / calendar / contact is changed on the desktop Outlook client, those get pushed quickly to the 8125.
Problem is, it doesn't seem to work in reverse. For example, IF I get an email pushed to me on my PDA, I read it and delete it on my PDA.....that deletion action is NOT getting syncronized back to my Exchange server. Is that by design, or is indeed something wrong?
Thanks in advance!
not sure if it helps, but you can change when pocket outlook deletes mail, there are 3 options:
on connect/disconnect
immediately
manually
I dunno if changing that will help you at all, but its in the pocket outlook options.
I'll shut up now, in case I misunderstood
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not sure if it helps, but you can change when pocket outlook deletes mail, there are 3 options:
on connect/disconnect
immediately
manually
I dunno if changing that will help you at all, but its in the pocket outlook options.
I'll shut up now, in case I misunderstood
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I appreciate your reply, but my question is beyond that......it centers around Driect Push.....my thinking is, regardless of that setting you referred to, once the email is deleted on the PDA, the PDA should "reverse-push" that deletion to the Exchange server, and mine does not seem to be doing that.
I hope that is a little clearer?
No, his answer was right. The reverse of the Push is not the same. You have to set the options as Jmel suggested. Its basically to save data.
This allows you to go through your mail, delete all your spam and crap, then update the server. Doing so immediately would be a waste. Recieving/sending emails is considered vital, deleting them...not so much.
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Anyone got any recommendations for push email providers. Or just names to compare.
So far I have tried:
4smartphone.net - good service but not cheap
mail2web.com - good and cheap
any other recommendations ?
colonel said:
Anyone got any recommendations for push email providers. Or just names to compare.
So far I have tried:
4smartphone.net - good service but not cheap
mail2web.com - good and cheap
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From what I've gathered so far, go with one of those two.
or register your own domain and build your own exchange server, works fine
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or register your own domain and build your own exchange server, works fine
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Just like that?
If you would like to have direct push mail from Microsoft on your Universal, it can be done with MS Exchange server SP2
having Echange SP2 on your own (Hosted) server, and building your own certificate on this server (domain) which you later can import on your Universal, you can use Direct Push mail (Https) fron the Universal to your Echange server.
I'm using it,..and the mobile active sync is constantly keeping the GPRS HTTPS connection allive and is syncronising constantly my inbox (agenda, contacts, email and tasks) Not the same as blackberry, but only several seconds delay (depends on gprs network, umts will be faster)
Download the latest rom with the AKU2 feature pack from MS build in, install it on your device and you can use the Direct Push function
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If you would like to have direct push mail from Microsoft on your Universal, it can be done with MS Exchange server SP2
having Echange SP2 on your own (Hosted) server, and building your own certificate on this server (domain) which you later can import on your Universal, you can use Direct Push mail (Https) fron the Universal to your Echange server.
I'm using it,..and the mobile active sync is constantly keeping the GPRS HTTPS connection allive and is syncronising constantly my inbox (agenda, contacts, email and tasks) Not the same as blackberry, but only several seconds delay (depends on gprs network, umts will be faster)
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Yes yes, I know all this... but you can get exactly the same thing for four pounds a month with 4smartphone.net and they take care of 90% of the hassle for you. Setting up an exchange server is beyond 95% of people with handhelds. And even then, I may be being charitable.
Even downloading a dodgy copy of Exchange via bittorrent is more hassle than getting 4smartphone.net to host it for you.
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If you would like to have direct push mail from Microsoft on your Universal, it can be done with MS Exchange server SP2
having Echange SP2 on your own (Hosted) server, and building your own certificate on this server (domain) which you later can import on your Universal, you can use Direct Push mail (Https) fron the Universal to your Echange server.
I'm using it,..and the mobile active sync is constantly keeping the GPRS HTTPS connection allive and is syncronising constantly my inbox (agenda, contacts, email and tasks) Not the same as blackberry, but only several seconds delay (depends on gprs network, umts will be faster)
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I would rather look for a personal assistant at the cost of your solution
haha,....sorry. Im a system engineer.
I've been using mail2web with my XDA Exec for the last few days and it works really well. Pretty good for a free service!
Been using 4smartphone.net trial for a few days now... My Exec's mail keeps de-syncing with the Exchange server.
I figured that if I MOVE emails between folders a lot, I start getting ActiveSync problems with error code 0x80070008 and I can't sync anymore. After a soft reset, I can sync again, but the folders on my Exec are now out of sync with folders on the Exchange server. i.e. some mails that were moved are now in Inbox of Exchange, whereas they have been moved to another mail folder on my Exec.
Seems too unreliable for me :|
My take on 4smartphone.net is that its a bit more professional then mail2web. It also ensures that emails sent are stamped with the email address you want to use (i.e. the one fwded/pop3ed to 4smartphone).
mail2web is a little more DIY, however the FAQ is good.
Ultimately I have opted to use mail2web as its only $1.99 a month vs $3.99 a month for 4smartphone (also have to keep up my IGN subscription
rgds
I found 4smartphone.net quite reliable.
did you setup manually - ? I did, maybe the autosetup has an issue.
are you syncing over wifi ? this has to be done manually
have 4smartphone.net given any reason why folder moving should case a trouble ?
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have 4smartphone.net given any reason why folder moving should case a trouble ?
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I haven't actually contacted them yet... I've been googling 0x80070008 and found it to be memory related issues on the device. I'm thinking memory leak leading to lack of memory on my device -> ActiveSync dies.
yeah, could be too many things running as well.
I haven't rebooted for 2 weeks now (since the new O2 update) - famous last words !
what is that aku2 thing and can I use push mail on WM2003se? thnx
no. u can use activesync over a GPRS/3G with wm 2003se. look at mail2web.com FAQs.
however this is not push, its periodic activesync.
push email is where your device gets email as soon as its delivered.
this means that you get the email straight away. the technical difference is that push (in WM5) is server driven and not device driven.
I presume you don't have a universal as they are all WM5.
rgds
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the technical difference is that push (in WM5) is server driven and not device driven.
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I have a question: does this mean that you don't pay for the data required to send the e-mail to your device? The one thing that's held me back from diving into push e-mail so far is the worry of going over my data limit (5mb/month on O2 - I can't afford any extra...) and paying too much on my contract.
If MMS messages are free to receive, is it the same for push e-mail messages because the server is initiating the connection? Or do we still have to pay? If you could answer this for me I'd really appreciate it, so thanks in advance
Mach
You'd still have to pay.
thanks for answer colonel. I will look at mail2web.com.
I have an O2 XDA mini S.
I have spent about 12 hours trying to configure it, and am having a complete nightmare. Am completly stuck and hoping someone can help me.
I have put in all the settings on the XDA and told it to sync with our exchange server. The device connects and you can see it syncronising eg Calander 6/6, emails 60/60.
So it all looks like it is working I then go into my outlook email folder on the device and all my folders are there but they're all empty. I have altered the syncronisation options so it syncronise all my folders for the last 3 days, but still nothing.
Strangely if I create a calander appointment on the XDA it does get syncronised back to the calendar on the exchange server. The same if I send an e-mail, the e-mail does get sent and ends up on my exchange servers sent items.
So basically anything created on the XDA gets synced back to the exchange server, but anything created on the exchange server does not get synced across to the XDA. Even though when you connect it looks like it does.
We are using Exchange 2003 SP2, and ActiveSync Version 4.1.
Any help would be very much appreciated as we have bought 5 of these XDA's for all the top brass at my company and they are breathing down my neck asking when they are going to be set up.
Hi,
I'm sure you have already checked, but are the folders set to synchronise within Outlook on the device.
Menu/Tools/Manage Folders and put a cross in the appropriate boxes.
Apologies if you had already done this.
Regards,
White.
Thanks for the reply and yes I have already done that.
To clarify some of my earlier statements I am trying to do this wirelessly using GPRS, but to rule out any firewall problems (we use ISA 2004), I have plugged the device into my PC using a USB connection I have then changed the server address to the local address and the same thing happens.
The only slightly odd thing I'm doing is using an HTTP connection as I can't get the certificates to be accepted on the device for an HTTPS connection.
Duplicate post deleted,
Sorry.
Regards,
White.
Try this link
http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials...ng-Part1-Microsoft-DirectPush-technology.html
for me it works fine so I will try to help... but lets try the link first.
Have checked through our configuration with regard to the above link and everything is fine.
I just don't understand as the XDA appears to connect okay, and seem to be uploading from the server, it can also send things back to the server. It just doesn't actually recive anything.
It's so frustrating eg it will say reciving 0/61 e-mails it will then go to 61/61, eg like it has dowloaded them, but when you look nothing is there. It must be talking to the server though as it knows how many e-mails there are.
Not much help here..............
..............but I gave up with our exchange server !! 8-(
I, too, couldn't get past the certificate error.
Really pi**es me off !! Yet I can lie in bed @ home and VPN onto the server desktop via my XDA and my home WiFi switch/router and read my emails via the server's IE via the company intranet.....<shrug>
I HATE MS sooooooooooooooooo much !!
Enough redundant posting already !!
I agree
I agree it's crazy about the certificates, it's just bizarre that it doesn't give you the option to accept the certificate anyway. As I'm stuck with using HTTP now which is obviously not very secure. Well I would be stuck using HTTP if I could get it to work, but as posted before it just doesn't.
So stuck with dowloading my e-mails using IMAP, and syncing my calandar using a usb cable, which is not ideal.
Anyway once again any insight or help would be great.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/817379/en-us
Method 2 is what I've had to do to my exchange server to get anything working.
Thanks
Have already made the changes discussed in the article, as before I did that it was erroring out, now it appears to dowload the e-mails but nothing happens.
Thanks for the tip!
I needed this info!
Further info............
....................O2 have told me via dataservices support there is a problem with self-certification - This has come from Microsoft who have said there is an issue.
O2 and MS are working on a fix but no timeframe as yet - a number of users have reported the issue.
Third party certificates are OK apparently - I have tracked down a free source - www.cacert.org but whilst i have got a personal email certificate for my PC I can't get throught the documentation to obtain a certificate for the Exchange server at work. This is because, I think, we don't have a domain that's linked to it - we just VPN to an IP address......if anyone can help work out how to submit a valid certificate request, I'd be very grateful
Further info............
....................O2 have told me via dataservices support there is a problem with self-certification - This has come from Microsoft who have said there is an issue.
o2 and MS are working on a fix but no timeframe as yet - a number of users have reported the issue.
Third party certificates are OK apparently - I have tracked down a free source - www.cacert.org but whilst i have got a personal email certificate for my PC I can't get throught the documentation to obtain a certificate for the Exchange server at work. This is because, I think, we don't have a domain that's linked to it - we just VPN to an IP address......if anyone can help work out how to submit a valid certificate request, I'd be very grateful
so you are unable to set up the sync between your O2 and the exchange server? or you cant get the HTTPS to work at all?
my colleague is using a QTEK9100 and he managed to get the push mail to work. the sync with exchange server seems to be working. he couldnt get it work before this because exchange server need to have HTTPS enable, so we endup getting a digital cert from a vendor.
so now he is happily getting email push to his qtek. and sync works fine as well. i am yet to get my unit so i cant say much about the setting need to be done but there must be something missing here.
Hi.
I have Exchange 2k3 SP2 using my own certificates, an XDA Mini and XDA Exec with O2 GPRS all using push email fine. No issues with O2, Exchange, Microsoft or anything - it just works!
The only thing I did need to do on the XDA's was to import a copy of my Certificate Servers root certificate.
Have been using this with Exchange push for a couple of weeks and before then used the same setup with XDA IIi's using Exchange Activesync.
Merlin
Hi.
I have Exchange 2k3 SP2 using my own certificates, an XDA Mini and XDA Exec with O2 GPRS all using push email fine. No issues with O2, Exchange, Microsoft or anything - it just works!
The only thing I did need to do on the XDA's was to import a copy of my Certificate Servers root certificate.
Have been using this with Exchange push for a couple of weeks and before then used the same setup with XDA IIi's using Exchange Activesync.
Merlin
Lucky You, RB............
.............I, too have imported the server certificate but neither I nor O2 could get it to install on mine or their machines.....that's when they told me about the issue..................
It's a valid certificate cos our server works as it should !
The real crazy thing is, I can VPN to our server using my XDA via my home WiFi router, see the server desktop via mstsc and open my exchange mailbox using the company intranet in IE - all on my XDA in my bed !!!
Security ?!!? Pah!!!!
Hi
Which certificate have you imported, the certificate on the exchange server or the ROOT certificate from your Cert Server?
You need the ROOT CERTIFICATE not the Exchange Web Server certificate
Merlin
We're running...........
........SBS 2003 SP2 with Exchange Server
The certificate is the only one we have for the server as a whole.............
If you click on the certificate and look at the certification path tag, what does it say...(Can you post a screen shot of it?)
I just updated my phone from the 1.08 rom and in the comm manager I now have a 'direct push' button but it is greyed out. Any way for me to use this feature?
You need an Exchange Server 2003 with SP2 now that your phone is Direct Push ready with the Messaging and Security Feature Pack (MSFP) with this ROM upgrade. If you don't have access to an Exchange 2003 server I believe that Mail2Web can be used, though I've no knowledge firsthand. And I'm sure there's others, just use the <search> here or google it.
Good luck!
yes, it is possible to use this feature with this rom (I am). the first step is to get access to an exchange server. If you do not have a corporate exchange server, I would recommend trying it out with the free service from mail2web.com first (this is what I use) simply b/c it is free. If you need more features later, you can always upgrade... To start, go to activesync on the phone. Go into options and click configure server, and enter your server details (can be found in help on mail2web, or from your corporate IT department) Make sure that it is set to sync as new items arrive... That icon you saw in the menu should be in color... If not click it to enable push...
The way I use it is I have gmail forward a copy of all incoming mail to the mail2web email acct. the phone syncs with the exchange server automatically when I get a new mail. I also sync contacts, tasks, and notes...
Remember that this remains connected to the net at all times, although not using much data, and it auto downloads new mail ect... so if you don't have unlimited data, I would watch it closely, at least to start off...
I would definitly try it out, personally I love it. I hope this helps and if you have any problems please let me know. Lastly I wrote all this on my wizard, so please pardon any spelling or grammer errors...
i planned on using mail2web, but the button is greyed out. wouldnt i needto be able to select it to set it up?
As Starcruiser1229 said, configure in ActiveSync. Direct Push button is an On/Off toggle while ActiveSync is where you configure.
I have my own Exchange server and am not familiar with hosted servers but maybe here at http://services.mail2web.com/FreeServices/m2wLive/ you'll find what you need.
Good luck.
yes, they call the service mail2web live... I wish I had my own exchange server! anyway, good luck with the setup and if you need more help just post...
thanks a lot. sorry for my misreading. im gonna try it out now. thanks.
Hello everyone!
As you can see by my profile, I'm a rather new member of the XDA-Dev community, and also a new owner of an HTC Tytn. I love it.
I also love open sourced or at least free software.
My problem is: I'd love to have push based e-mail feeding off of my plain old IMAP and/or POP account hosted wherever.
Of the two IMAP IDLE capable clients on WM6 (I'm using LVSW) both feel like a piece of **** along with an attached price tag. One of them was also last updated in early 2006.
I've been looking at WM Outlook and Exchange syncing. I'm thinking about implementing some sort of an interface that would provide Outlook style ActiveSync front end (hey, it's just WebDAV) to a simple IMAP/POP3 account in the background.
I'll probably start working on this just for the kicks anyway, but... would anyone else be interested in seeing/using something like this?
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Hello everyone!
As you can see by my profile, I'm a rather new member of the XDA-Dev community, and also a new owner of an HTC Tytn. I love it.
............
I'll probably start working on this just for the kicks anyway, but... would anyone else be interested in seeing/using something like this?
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There is software called emoze. This relies on your desktop & outlook downloading the email then Emoze sends the data to you PDA over the cell network.
The way i think that would be good is you would need a software client running on your desktop that polls your POP3 server for new headers. When it gets one it sends your PDA a token telling it to go and d/l its pop.
Im thinking of writing one cause i want it to detect if its cradled. I only want my e-mails forwarded to my phone when its not cradeled.
Just some thoughts. But if its in c# ill be happy to try help where i can.
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There is software called emoze. This relies on your desktop & outlook downloading the email then Emoze sends the data to you PDA over the cell network.
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First off, I'd like to avoid the whole using-the-desktop thing. The mails are accessible on the server, and can stay there until your desktop client picks them up. Ideally, you would use IMAP and just leave the mail on the server as long as you need it, thus having it both accessible from your desktop and your mobile client.
The approach I'm thinking of would emulate an Exchange server. You would configure this server the same way you configure outlook syncing with a real Exchange server on your phone - thus eliminating any need for development or hacking on the client side. Everyone would just be using their default messaging client installed on WM.
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First off, I'd like to avoid the whole using-the-desktop thing. The mails are accessible on the server, and can stay there until your desktop client picks them up. Ideally, you would use IMAP and just leave the mail on the server as long as you need it, thus having it both accessible from your desktop and your mobile client.
The approach I'm thinking of would emulate an Exchange server. You would configure this server the same way you configure outlook syncing with a real Exchange server on your phone - thus eliminating any need for development or hacking on the client side. Everyone would just be using their default messaging client installed on WM.
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So from My understanding this is what we got.
Code:
~ Project ~
CLIENT | HACK'D | <-----> IMAP
A/Sync <---> | Server |
WM6 | APP We Write | <-----> POP3
That should be possible but the reason that your able to recieve it in two places is because the exchnage server is the mailbox essintally. And your desktop account is also attached to the exchange server(someone jump in if im wrong) this means that it knows when something is deleted on your desktop.
So we would have to emulate both the Device and Desktop exchange server functions.
Other way is to just put a wrapper around a popserver. So it will only send the emails to the desktop once, then keep the e-mails for the device.
eg
Code:
****Check POP3/IMAP server every x mins
New Email
D/L and Store
Ping PPC Client
PPC Downloads
Flaged as PPC received
Desktop POP3 checks pop wrapper
Because the exchange server has the builtin pop client you will never be able to get true e-mail unless you create a pop3/imap server that has the PPC ping functionality built into it, you will always have the **** step.
Just some thoughts ...
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First off, I'd like to avoid the whole using-the-desktop thing. The mails are accessible on the server, and can stay there until your desktop client picks them up. Ideally, you would use IMAP and just leave the mail on the server as long as you need it, thus having it both accessible from your desktop and your mobile client.
The approach I'm thinking of would emulate an Exchange server. You would configure this server the same way you configure outlook syncing with a real Exchange server on your phone - thus eliminating any need for development or hacking on the client side. Everyone would just be using their default messaging client installed on WM.
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you dont need to 'hack' anything... is you look at the Microsoft Exchange 2007 SDK you can write your own libraries that get called on incoming mail etc... no hacking required... how do you think Blackberry Enterirpse Server and Goodlink Server work??
The whole idea is that I want nothing to do with Exchange in the software, except to emulate it's ActiveSync features and push e-mail. No SDK, no libraries, nada.
I don't have any problems polling the POP3 server every few minutes. With IMAP it's much easier considering that a lot of IMAP servers support IDLE.
Basically, the architecture would be exactly what Shaun33 described/drew in his post.
ivanstojic said:
The whole idea is that I want nothing to do with Exchange in the software, except to emulate it's ActiveSync features and push e-mail. No SDK, no libraries, nada.
I don't have any problems polling the POP3 server every few minutes. With IMAP it's much easier considering that a lot of IMAP servers support IDLE.
Basically, the architecture would be exactly what Shaun33 described/drew in his post.
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Ok best idea is if you have the time.
1. Install Exxhange server and pair your PPC to it.
2. User packet monitoring software such as ethereal to monitor the data going back between the server and the client the best fun is going to be the fact that is SSL. But there is an option to disable the SSL then you monitor port 80.
If you post a capture file i would be willing to look into helping you develop it.
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Ok best idea is if you have the time.
1. Install Exxhange server and pair your PPC to it.
2. User packet monitoring software such as ethereal to monitor the data going back between the server and the client the best fun is going to be the fact that is SSL. But there is an option to disable the SSL then you monitor port 80.
If you post a capture file i would be willing to look into helping you develop it.
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Ethereal isn't called Ethereal any more, you do know that? It's been known as Wireshark for a while now. Anyway, the protocol is (almost) standard WebDAV protocol with some strange extensions.
I'm working on getting clean dumps of various bits of functionality. Will report soon!
hi guys,
i got to know about one website which is provide push mail for pop3 account for free, i tested it on JASJAR and its working fine, you can try it here www.consilient.com may be it would be helpfull...
This certainly sounds interesting to me! Do you still think it is doable?
Sounds cool - like you said, it's all webdav oriented, and from IIS logs, getting the content is fairly easy to construct. You won't have to worry about matching up device IDs, etc, so you can ignore that and concentrate on the username with what verbs are being used (foldersync, sync, getestimate, etc)
One thing may get you is the initial connection - after configuring, it will check to see if theres a policy to set on the device after checking the user, not sure how activesync on the device will handle it if it can't get to that.
I always think its funny that MS decided to call this "push" technology, when its just the device constantly polling (probably just an xml change file, i seem to remember something like that)
Anyway, good luck
Hi
I used to be able sync to my work Outlook email via ActiveSync / Outlook Mobile Access (OMA). However, yesterday my work IT department disabled OMA on my Exchange server as they do not support anything other than the blackberry. Despite my protestation they are refusing to re-enable OMA. This leaves me with a big issue!
Does anyone on here know of a third party application that can sync outlook emails and calander using Outlook Web Access (OWA)?
I have found an application called Chronobis which is able to sync from OWA but only one way i.e. deleted items on Chronobis will not delete from my Outlook inbox and calendar appointments added won't sync to my outlook calander (or so I believe). Whilst this is a good start it really doesn't get me to where I need to be.
I am desperate to sync my work outlook emails to my new HTC HD2 (its the main reason I got it)!
Anyone got any other ideas / know of any other applications?
Would really appreciate any suggestions.
Thanks in advance.
Yes, you can use a service called Seven.
Thanks for your response.
I've had a look and it seems this could do the job! Seems that the only way to get it was to join the beta programme which I've done but when I put my the vendor in it doesnt give me the HD2 as an option.
Any ideas what handset I should choose that will work with the HD2?!
I've also read compatibility issues with Manilla 2.5 in their forums. Has anyone managed to get this working successfully on an HD2? Also, are you able to move emails to your different folders using this app and have them sync with the exchange?
Is this the best / only app out there for my requirement?
Sorry for all the qus!
Thanks again.
ActiveSync uses OWA. Put in webmail server, username, password and works.
OWA still works, like afterburn said, i got my calendar, email and tsks to synch. lol now all my contacts are on my university email accounts, pretty cool tho.
no need for thirdparty, active sync does it.
dont know what OMA is. but what you want is exactly what OWA gives you.
dont set your owa using HCT SENSE/MANILA SETTINGS. do it through normal out look ad account way. HTC tick boxes for tasks, calendar and other stuff are greyed out and only email is available.
but on the standard outlook mobile all the settings are there.
need a run through of how to set it up?
Thanks for your responses guys.
OMA is office mobile outlook. It is a setting within the exchange server which either allows or disallows a mobile device to access emails through the mail app. Having OWA does not mean that you will be able to access your emails from a mobile device (except through the mobile browser).
Activesync uses OMA rather than OWA so at the moment I'm stuck!
As a result I need an app that syncs via OWA.
Seven seems to be able to do it but I could do with any answers to my qus above.
Happy to be proved wrong on this but one day it was all working fine and the next my exchage server settings had been changed and it stopped working.
Any exchange server admins on here who can confirm my thinking is correct?
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I've also read compatibility issues with Manilla 2.5 in their forums. Has anyone managed to get this working successfully on an HD2?
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I'm using Seven on HD2. There were compatibility problems with custom ROMs on other devices based on leaked Leo Manila.
Why don't you use Blackberry Connect on your Wm device? That way, you can sync the same way as Blackberry devices. Of course that requires you to have BB access rights, but since they are so BB happy, you may be able to get that.
You can get it here: http://www.htc.com/us/mobile/connect/8925/install/default.html
Of course it is not specific for the HD2, and I have no idea if it'll work, but it is worth a try.
BB connect sounds like a good idea, wasn't aware it was a possibility, thanks.
I actually have a BB from work so I know that I am set up for it. However, I work for a company that are very keen on security so there is no way they will give out the settings I would need (its set up by the IT department and then just given to you).
Is there any way to get the info / settings I need from my current blackberry? Ive had a look on it and can't see anything obvious.
Just checked through some documentation on BB connect and unfortunatley it requires that I install ActiveSync and BB Connect on a computer connected to my works network.
As I dont have admin rights on my work laptop I won't be able to do this (unless anyone knows how to install programs without being an administrator!).
Looks like Seven might be the bset solution!
Vangrieg, which handset did you choose to set up for the HD2?
Thanks
I admin an exchange server, the most common reason for OMA not working is if there isnt a valid ssl cert for the domain, but i can confirm that as you mentioned, it will deffo not work if mobile access is turned off on the user account (there are 2 seperate options for web and mobile access)
i dont see any decent reason why a server admin would disable it, he must be on a power trip or sommert!
Thanks lancemate.
Could the valid ssl cert be the reason even if others in my company are still able to access as before? Its only affecting me. I've set up one of my collegues mail accounts on my phone to see if it still worked and it did without any issues.
When I called IT they said they hadn't changed any of my settings so I had assumed that OMA was the issue. I asked them to check and to re-enable and they told me they were unwilling to even look at my settings!!! Our IT department has been moved to India which makes it even harder to get any help!
Could an ssl cert suddenly just expire?!
Is there anyway of me to get a valid ssl cert for the domain witout going through IT to see if this is the issue?!
Been doing some more research and want to see if getting an ssl certificate onto my phone will make it work. Absoloutely no idea if it will work but its the last thing I can think off!
Is it possible to download the SSL certificate from my OWA site?
If I double click on the padlock in the bottom left corner I can get the certificate details up on the "details" tab (although there are loads of files and I don't know what I'm looking at!). When I click "copy to file" the export wizard come up but I have no idea where to go from there!
Anyone able to offer any assistance please?
Also, I'm sure this is a stupid question but would I need to put this certificate on my phone or could I use a different one?!
Thanks
It cant be an SSL Cerificate issue if your Colleague's account works on your device.
It MUST be that OMA is disabled on your account or something else is horribly wrong. As mentioned above i cant see any reason why an Exchange administrator would disable OMA.
Can you connect to your account using activesync on a different device to check whether its the phone or settings on server side?
To help you with using Blackberry Connect as a possible solution here are some resources on how to run programs that require admin level on machines you havent been given admin rights to. Some methods cover your tracks completely and others simply let you create/amend and delete windows accounts and associated rights in whatever way you need.
i would suggest using the first link to create a bootable usb stick that loads a modified linux command prompt. You can then use this to give yourself local admin rights.
http://pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/
http://www.jms1.net/nt-unlock.shtml
http://internetbusinessdaily.net/how-to-hack-a-window-xp-admins-password/
I've tried to set up on 2 other phones, bith with no joy so I'm guessing its the server side rather than the phone.
Is there no way that its anything to do with the ssl certificate? Are they set up company rather than by user? Will my suggestion of putting a certificate on my phone definately not work (if I could even find out how to export it from OWA)?!
I also cant see why the OMA would have been diabled so thinking it must be something else!
Thanks
I share Gooner's concerns and look forward to finding a solution. 1) My company has not yet enabled mobile devices to sync via Outlook Web Access. 2) Blackberry Connect does not yet work on HD2. There is a thread for BBC on this very same forum.
I am confident that a solution will soon emerge for 1) and/or 2).
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It cant be an SSL Cerificate issue if your Colleague's account works on your device.
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Well, sometimes you need to install the certificate manually on your device to make it work. That's the case where I work - we use a self-signed certificate.
I use zarafa as a direct replacement for exchange, it syncs my emails,calendars, contacts etc.
It allows push email as well.
Hi JMes
After looking around I have found it appears that there are 2 services that will allow you to sync a mobile device using OWA, even if it is not set up for OMA.
Seven - Currently in beta but others have had success with this service on an HD2. I believe that it will sync Calendar, Tasks and Email.
Emoze - Also allows you to check outlook via OWA and offers a free service or a paid for service. Paid for service allows you to remove the "sent from emoze" tag allows attachemnts to be sent up to 2mb (rather than 100kb). Think it costs 10 euros a year.