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Outlook is officialy not supportet at mail2web live i think, but is there a way to use your desktop outlook with the free service?
currently i sync my Wizard with my Outlook and the Exchange Service, so i have all things synced between outlook and exchange indirectly, but a direct sync would be better.
Yeah, I've tried messing about with Outlook to get it to connect to the exchange server, but no luck so far. If anybody knows a way, then please post it here!
I think the only way to "hack" the service for desktop outlook would be a OMA Plugin for outlook, to sync with the Server ActiveSync.
lutzs said:
I think the only way to "hack" the service for desktop outlook would be a OMA Plugin for outlook, to sync with the Server ActiveSync.
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Could you post any more info about this?
Ye please! would be very interrested in a solution
If you think it have such a tool you misunderstood.
There are only 2 open doors to mail2web: OWA (Outlook Web Access) and OMA (Outlook Mobile Access). We can forget OWA. OMA is for syncing PocketPCs (ActiveSync Server). So we need a plugin or tool for the desktop outlook, that make it syncing over OMA!
Is there any development in this area. I was looking to sync my web2mail with my Desktop outlook.? Is it possible at all?
Cheers
I am presently using mail2web live very successfully.
I have my comcast email forwarded to the mail2web email address and leave the messages on my comcast server to download later to outlook.
I put the mail2web server source settings into Active Sync. It somehow syncs these server settings to the pda and with my unlimited monthly cingular data plan, I get ALL of my email OTA downloaded to my PDAphone immediately as it arrives to comcast.
Works great.
Yeah, that is possible. I am getting my gmail OTA, which I have forwarded to mail2web. My question was about syncing mail2web with desktop outlook, not mobile outlook. The idea is, then I dont have to sync with PC using USB cable at all. I sync with mail2web OTA, and when I log on to outlook on my PC it will sync with mail2web. So, I dont need a physical connection between PC and handheld. :lol:
This works if you pay $1.99 to mail2web.
However I too would like a free version.
Is it $1.99 per month..?
Yes
http://services.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail/
or something I am in the process of trying
getting ADSL with a static IP address / web address and using the OWA MS 2003 server settings, setting my PC as a server, so I can use the MSFP to directly sync in with my home PC ( I think you need XP Pro to do this though, not XP Home).
This will also allow me to VPN in and take anything from home out and about.
I should also be able to do this to e.g. play my music files from my PC on my device. Will let you know how this works.
Unfortunately I am not a software developer, but if any of you need an idea; do what I just said in a one off program that runs on any PC and cradled device - syncs 'em together via GPRS / wi-fi that would be nice.
Just to let you guys know that mail2web now offer a FREE MS Exchange based e-mail account called 'mail2web Live'. As standard you can use it with ActiveSync (...and direct push if you're using WM5).
You also get access to the usual Outlook Web Access (OWA) and Outlook Mobile Access (OMA).
I've been playing around with it for the last few days and I'm well impressed - so much so that I've upgraded to their 'personal exchange' plan - to my mind a bargain for a meagre $1.99 a month. This gets rid of the banner and google ads that do take up the best part of 1/2 of the screen in the free version as well as giving you a gig of space and a few other goodies.
Cheers,
Rik
Here's the cheap way of getting picking up emails on outlook and using direct push
Sign up for 2 email accounts, one mail2web account and another email account that uses pop3(or use an existing one).
Set up email forwarding from the pop3 account to mail2web.
Set up your outlook account to leave email on the server.
This way you get the best of both worlds.
Then set activesync to sync to both outlook and mail2web and get the emails from mail2web so thats it uses direct push.
One other thing you could do is to use an advert blocker (like adblock in firefox) this gets rid of the adverts as well.
hope that helps save some cash
thanks
wayne
Here's the cheap way of getting picking up emails on outlook and using direct push
Sign up for 2 email accounts, one mail2web account and another email account that uses pop3(or use an existing one).
Set up email forwarding from the pop3 account to mail2web.
Set up your outlook account to leave email on the server.
This way you get the best of both worlds.
Then set activesync to sync to both outlook and mail2web and get the emails from mail2web so thats it uses direct push.
One other thing you could do is to use an advert blocker (like adblock in firefox) this gets rid of the adverts as well.
hope that helps save some cash
thanks
wayne
As hedgehog1982 suggestes this is a pretty good option, especially if you have an e-mail address on your own domain. This does have a couple of drawbacks though...
(i)
When you send (or reply to) an e-mail it will come from the mail2web account and not your POP account. You can get around this by setting up both accounts on your XDA (i.e. ActiveSync for your mail2web account and SMTP to send from your own e-mail address) - however, you'll have to remember to send from the SMTP when you send and don't hit reply.
(ii)
You'll effectively get two coppies of your e-mails (one to mail2web on your XDA and one to your POP inbox) - so if you want to delete an e-mail for example you'll have to do it on both. The beauty of the ActiveSync setup is that both server and XDA sync, so if you delete/move/organise your e-mails/calendar/contacts/tasks on either, the other also updates.
There are companies out there that will give you a single (or more) Exchange account(s) on your own domain but this will cost you more - most start from about a fiver a month.
Any way to sync mail2web with Desktop outlook yet?
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When you send (or reply to) an e-mail it will come from the mail2web account and not your POP account. You can get around this by setting up both accounts on your XDA (i.e. ActiveSync for your mail2web account and SMTP to send from your own e-mail address) - however, you'll have to remember to send from the SMTP when you send and don't hit reply.
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Guys how do you set in your PPC "both accounts to send from your own email-address" ? My target is to get mails pushed from my corporate exchange server and to be able to reply also using my corporates email address. But our company doesn't allow any remote access to exchange (except VPN with my notebook and OWA).
The only workaround I found is to have redirect emails from exchange server to f.e. gmail, in gmail you can set an alternative email address you can send from (it will fake my [email protected] and send it "on behalf of xx"). This way I can receive and send my emails from my PDA and it looks quite well. But - with gmail I only can pull and not push.
So using mail2web.com I could push and reading your instruction how to set that SMTP in my PDA, it should also work to reply with my corporates address, but there is no possibility to set this you described...how did you do that?
I think what he means is to setup your exchange account as POP3/IMAP, but never use it to receive, only use it to send.
Example:
1. You have ActiveSync setup with mail2web (push), and you setup gmail to forward to this account based on filtering or direct forward.
2. You setup another account with the same details as your exchange server. Have this account setup so that it never downloads. Depending on your setup, you would need to setup either POP3 or IMAP. I would suggest IMAP.
3. When you want to reply to a message, don't hit reply from your 'Outlook Messages' (that's your push email). You would compose a message and use your corporate email servers outgoing SMTP to send it.
However, since you mentioned that exchange is closed except via VPN, it makes me think that they have also closed all other ports.
It might be possible for you to install a VPN client on your device and sync that way?
I've just upgraded my 02 Exec to the latest rom etc. I was under the impression that it will have push email but I can't find it. When I restarted it I was given the option of choosing corporate but I didn't know what the difference was. Should I have selected that? And if so which configuration? Would that give me push email through 02? (I only have 'normal' POP3 accounts.)
Thanks!
push email is built in the the upgraded OS .... this will only work if you have an email account using Exchange Server not just emails which are using POP3 protocol. POP services uses pull email technology ...
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If you want to test it try out mail2web.com and click on the "mail2web.com LIVE" link on the homepage, free exchange server with push email and you can set it to collect email from other email accounts if they don't support forwarding to mail2web (which is the closest way of getting push email from your own account unless its on an exchange server that will allow you to sync to it). Don't have push email on my MDA PRO but when t-mobile bring out a new rom with it enabled I'll give it a go.
Thanks alot for your replies.
Hello,
Just got my Cingular 8125 as I have a need to check email on the road. I will be using wifi for connectivity to the internet and hopefully to check email.
I'm very new to this and don't understand the concept of email to smartphones. I keep coming across the term push email when researching upgraded roms. I think I want it but I'm not sure what it is. I'm assuming it allows my phone to just get email without having to connect to GPRS or wifi. Sort of like text messages. But really I have no clue and don't know if I need exchange server or not.
Here is what I am looking for... I have about 5 different POP3 accounts for my own domain names. I would like to be able to check these 5 accounts from my phone. I would also like to check my gmail account. I did find some instructions for this on these forums. Ideally, they would just go to the phone as they arrive. Another option would be for me to manually check email occassionally throughout the day through GPRS or Wifi. Would I be able to receive a phone call if I'm downloading emails?
These email accounts are from my websites on shared servers with a hosting provider. I do not have an Exchange Server. Looked into a company called web2email but not sure if I need that either.
Basically, what is the best solution for me to get my emails in a quick and reliable manner. Also, if anyone has any advice on syncing with Outlook that would be great... for instance, if I check email with my phone, is it removed from the server so when I check on my laptop it will show no emails? Then when I sync, will the phone emails be added to my laptop? Vice versa?
Appreciate any advice you might have. I tried to search and couldn't really find anything. If you would rather post a link to another thread or site tutorial that would be fine as well.
Yes i think you guessed right, push email is email that is sent to your device as soon as it arrives to your email account, but you will need a push email account and your gprs will need to be on continously. Some have reported higher costs with push email as it has a higher data use the ordinary pop email. Choice is yours!
When you check emails with your phone, the email stays on the server, and you can set your laptop to do likewise under your pop email account settings.
Thank you. That makes sense.
I plan on getting an unlimited plan (either medianet or dataplan) so I don't think it would be a problem for GPRS to always stay on.
I read something about some setting that will default to wifi if available.
Sounds like this "push email" is exactly what I was looking for. And to think I almost got a Blackberry.
Thanks again.
The push e-mail system on Microsoft Windows Mobile devices requires an active cellular data connection. The device at periodic intervals issues a "heartbeat" to an Exchange server (belong to either your company, yourself, or an e-mail provider). The Exchange server checks the account, sees if you have new mail, and then pushes it back onto the device.
The battery drain is minimal compared to setting up Pocket Outlook to check for messages every X minutes, but it is slightly more than a true push system such as RIM's Blackberry devices. This is because RIM uses true push e-mail, where the network wakes up your device when you receive a new e-mail.
There's a free e-mail provider out there that supports Microsoft Exchange and Direct Push with ActiveSync. Check out the Mail2Web live service, at:
http://live.mail2web.com/
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The push e-mail system on Microsoft Windows Mobile devices requires an active cellular data connection. The device at periodic intervals issues a "heartbeat" to an Exchange server (belong to either your company, yourself, or an e-mail provider). The Exchange server checks the account, sees if you have new mail, and then pushes it back onto the device.
The battery drain is minimal compared to setting up Pocket Outlook to check for messages every X minutes, but it is slightly more than a true push system such as RIM's Blackberry devices. This is because RIM uses true push e-mail, where the network wakes up your device when you receive a new e-mail.
There's a free e-mail provider out there that supports Microsoft Exchange and Direct Push with ActiveSync. Check out the Mail2Web live service, at:
http://live.mail2web.com/
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So it sounds like I will need an exchange server which I don't have. I just have a standard POP3 account with my site hosting...
I like the push idea and will checkout mail2web. I will email them some questions as their site is somewhat confusing for me. It says the free account does not support POP3. I'm pretty sure I would need that. Their business accounts will work but I'm not sure if the pricing per user would allow me to use all 5 email accounts. That said though, if the free version won't work for me the paid accounts are very reasonably priced.
So can someone post a easy walkthru to getting functioning push on a 8125?
To anble Direct Push, you shd hv AKU2 ROm installed on yr device.Then u can very well use it...also you can visit www.mail2web.com for live mail..
Well, when you use a provider like Mail2Web you don't need to setup your own Exchange server, they let you use theirs. And unfortunately, Mail2Web's free live service which lets you use Direct Push doesn't let you use POP3. However, their Outlook Mobile Access is a web based e-mail system that is absolutely great, it mimics Microsoft Outlook's interface and for all intents and purposes eliminates the need for you to use POP3 to check e-mail from your account. When you sign up with them, your e-mail address is [email protected].
As you may have already noticed, for a fee you can upgrade to POP3 access and other e-mail solutions including using your own domain (such as [email protected]) but I have yet to find a need for this. I just forward all my e-mail accounts to my mail2Web account with one drawback: When people get my e-mail it says it's from [email protected].
But with 1 GB of free storage, and a 10 MB (if i remember correctly) message limit and free Direct Push, I'm not one to complain.
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So it sounds like I will need an exchange server which I don't have. I just have a standard POP3 account with my site hosting...
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Some hosting sites (running on Linux usually) will run something like Procmail that allows you to set up filtering and forwarding rules. You might be able to get your hosting POP3 accounts to forward copies of new mail to your mail2web account.
Alternatively, you could poll the POP3 accounts from your PC at home, and have an Inbox rule that forwards relevant (ie non junk/spam) to your mail2web account. That just means having your email client running all the time to do the forwarding...
Final thought is, as you said, to set up Exchange at home, poll your POP accounts (which I believe you can do with the version of Exchange in the Small Business Server) and then set up Push with your own server.
Regards,
Dox
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IdeaDirect said:
So it sounds like I will need an exchange server which I don't have. I just have a standard POP3 account with my site hosting...
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Some hosting sites (running on Linux usually) will run something like Procmail that allows you to set up filtering and forwarding rules. You might be able to get your hosting POP3 accounts to forward copies of new mail to your mail2web account.
Alternatively, you could poll the POP3 accounts from your PC at home, and have an Inbox rule that forwards relevant (ie non junk/spam) to your mail2web account. That just means having your email client running all the time to do the forwarding...
Final thought is, as you said, to set up Exchange at home, poll your POP accounts (which I believe you can do with the version of Exchange in the Small Business Server) and then set up Push with your own server.
Regards,
Dox
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Good suggestions. Yes, I can set up all sorts of forwards on my hosting server but I like keeping things separate as they are all different businesses. I like to reply from the different emails as well. I also don't want to rely on my home email client and setting up an Exchange server seems complicated (to someone that didn't even know what push email was :wink: )
It does seem that the paid version at web2email will do the trick. It is only a couple bucks a month. I need to see if I can have multiple pop3 accounts though. I don't mind paying a few bucks each month for this service as it is quite important to me. It is the primary reason I got this phone.
Hi all, im kind of new to this but i just read about push email with exchange server and i was wondering how i could use it with my mda vario. I've already installed an updated rom with push email but i dont know how to use it. can any one fill me in on this? thanks for any help.
You need a Exchange 2003 server with at least SP2 installed. Also a UMTS/GPRS connection because is not working over WIFI.
Bitfrotter 8)
Go to www.mail2web.com, sign up there. Than put the settings from the website in the Exchange Server settings in Active Sync on your PPC. Set your current email address to automatically forward your email to your mail2web email address. Enable GPRS and enable push email from the Comm Manager and bingo, push email is yours.
Ok, ive already signed up with mail2web but i want to automatically retrieve hotmail emails. i don't see an option on hotmail to forward all my emails to mail2web. am i missing something here? sorry, im inexperienced and all and these are probably lame questions and all. but please help me out. after reading that article i got hyped up in doing this. thanks for any replies.
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You need a Exchange 2003 server with at least SP2 installed. Also a UMTS/GPRS connection because is not working over WIFI.
Bitfrotter 8)
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I've gotten DirectPush to work over WiFi... Maybe that was an earlier ROM version though... I don't recall the circumstances under which I got it to work.
MS says that Direct Push does not work over WiFi. WiFi does not allow disconnected connections (in other words, a connection that allows for the data stream to be suspended). If WiFi did it, it would require a continuous connection that would drain the batteries at a very rapid pace.
Setting up Exchange for Direct Push is pretty easy. I set up ours in about 5 minutes.
One of the coolest things you can do with a correctly configured Exchange 2003 system is with the Mobile Admin pack (free download from MS). It allows you to tell the PDA that it needs to "self-destruct" in case the phone is stolen. A remote wipe will do a hard-reset on the phone, deleting all data not stored on an external SD.
I usually get my email on the MDA faster than Outlook on my desktop.
If any Exchange admins are out there, I can post how to set it up if anyone needs help.
exchange/activesync
Yes please!
Hotmail has deleted the possibility of forwarding mail automatically a few years ago in the free version, only Hotmail Plus subscribers can use this option. With gmail however it is still free. So a basic hotmail account will not be able to use Push over Exchange. You can however sign in to MSN Messenger on your device and will then be notified as soon as an email arrives on the hotmail server. This will cost you extra data charges though, since contacts coming online will also result in data transfer to your device.
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MS says that Direct Push does not work over WiFi. WiFi does not allow disconnected connections (in other words, a connection that allows for the data stream to be suspended). If WiFi did it, it would require a continuous connection that would drain the batteries at a very rapid pace.
Setting up Exchange for Direct Push is pretty easy. I set up ours in about 5 minutes.
One of the coolest things you can do with a correctly configured Exchange 2003 system is with the Mobile Admin pack (free download from MS). It allows you to tell the PDA that it needs to "self-destruct" in case the phone is stolen. A remote wipe will do a hard-reset on the phone, deleting all data not stored on an external SD.
I usually get my email on the MDA faster than Outlook on my desktop.
If any Exchange admins are out there, I can post how to set it up if anyone needs help.
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that would be awesome if you know of a tutorial anywhere on this..
so by creating an exchange server as romp said, you can sync any email including hotmail? well that's really a bummer that microsoft disabled forwarding on hotmail. Its mainly my primary email which all my friends/family know. so it would be a miracle if anyone knew how to sync hotmail without subscribing to their hotmail plus.
Well, getting outside emails are a bit more complex. This is usually for a business, but there are plenty of POP-to-Exchange plug ins that would allow getting Hotmail emails. Of course, you would need the Hotmail Plus for the POP.
http://www.slipstick.com/exs/popconnect.htm
My answer was more concerning the Exchange Direct push question, not the hotmail one.
Where I work (yes, I did set up the Exchange system) we have GFI spam filtering and virus filtering (www.gfi.com) and they have a POP2Exchange bridge included. It just checks the account, downloads any POP emails, and drops it in the right mailbox.
Exchange is a complete system, not just mail. It has webmail, Windows Mobile direct push, calendar, contacts, and more. Unless you are in a company with Exchange or Small Business Server, its not a cheap thing to do for a home network.
If you DO have Exchange at your office, run to the IT guy and hurt him until he sets your phone up on it. Its all the functionality of Blackberry and more, built into Exchange.
I'll write that tutorial, g0nk.
ok so if we go the mail2web route... i dont need to install exchange 2003 on a pc myself? does it only work on windows server 2003?
im interested in doing this at my job but i want to make sure it is not too difficult
edit.. well we have our own domain email addresses so the [email protected] is not an option..
any suggestions?
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Exchange is a complete system, not just mail. It has webmail, Windows Mobile direct push, calendar, contacts, and more.
If you DO have Exchange at your office, run to the IT guy and hurt him until he sets your phone up on it. Its all the functionality of Blackberry and more, built into Exchange.
I'll write that tutorial, g0nk.
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1) Agreed
2) I am the IT guy and it don't work on our server - the rootcertificate won't install to the PPC - an MS acknowledged problem............
3) Please forward ASAP !! Thanks !! :lol:
Is it a self published cert? Because you CAN get any externally issued cert to work just fine. We use a $15 GoDaddy cert with no problems.
The big screw up most people have with the cert (myself included) is that the cert is not correctly installed, even though it says it is.
Cheaper certs are called "Chained" certs. All certs need a path back to one of the big cert companies. So, companies like GoDaddy get approved to be second level cert issuers. IE on the PC will look at the cert and track it back to the main cert issuer. For example, the cert on GoDaddy goes from GoDaddy, to Starfield, to VeriCert. The VeriCert certificate is installed on all PCs.
Anyway, the problem is that the PC can follow an undefined cert path, the PPC can't. If you install the cert on the server, IE on the PC can figure out the whole path, PPC can't. So, the big thing is to make sure the MIDDLE CERTS are installed on the server. Even though everything seems fine, chances are that the middle ones are not (in this case STARFIELD)
The easiest way to find out if the cert is valid or not is try to get to your webmail on PIE. If you get a message about the cert, your server is not set up completely.
For my server, I had no luck until I found the Intermediary Cert and installed it. https://certificates.starfieldtech.com/Repository.go
Once that was done, my GoDaddy cert worked on the PPC and syncs went perfectly. Once the server has all the certs in the cert path installed, the PPC can validate each level. Until then, its clueless. Most people think you need to install the cert on the PPC. Its the server that needs it.
Does the self published cert only cause problems with direct push? I've got the "old" polling method working. I created a root CA on my server to sign the cert created for the web server and then turned that root CA into a CAB which was installed on the PPC. I should say that my phone doesn't have an AKU 2.xx rom on yet so I've not tested push mail.
This is all outlined in the following doc :
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/mobile/deploy/msfpdepguide.mspx
Also look at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/817379 if you are running a non sbs2003 exchange server in a configuration that doesn't have a front end/back end exchange server configuration. As there are some minor tweeks needed to the registry and to the default web server setup.
If you can do a remote Activesync, then DirectPush will work just fine.
A newbie Direct Push question:
I upgraded my 8125 ROM to the official Cingular June 19 version, and direct push SEEMS to be working great my my Hosted Exchange provider. When new email comes in to my Exchange server and/or a task / calendar / contact is changed on the desktop Outlook client, those get pushed quickly to the 8125.
Problem is, it doesn't seem to work in reverse. For example, IF I get an email pushed to me on my PDA, I read it and delete it on my PDA.....that deletion action is NOT getting syncronized back to my Exchange server. Is that by design, or is indeed something wrong?
Thanks in advance!
not sure if it helps, but you can change when pocket outlook deletes mail, there are 3 options:
on connect/disconnect
immediately
manually
I dunno if changing that will help you at all, but its in the pocket outlook options.
I'll shut up now, in case I misunderstood
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not sure if it helps, but you can change when pocket outlook deletes mail, there are 3 options:
on connect/disconnect
immediately
manually
I dunno if changing that will help you at all, but its in the pocket outlook options.
I'll shut up now, in case I misunderstood
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I appreciate your reply, but my question is beyond that......it centers around Driect Push.....my thinking is, regardless of that setting you referred to, once the email is deleted on the PDA, the PDA should "reverse-push" that deletion to the Exchange server, and mine does not seem to be doing that.
I hope that is a little clearer?
No, his answer was right. The reverse of the Push is not the same. You have to set the options as Jmel suggested. Its basically to save data.
This allows you to go through your mail, delete all your spam and crap, then update the server. Doing so immediately would be a waste. Recieving/sending emails is considered vital, deleting them...not so much.
At work we have a mail server that is not exchange it is a vanilla pop/smtp server. I would like to setup some sort of push for my mail to my phone however all of the services I have seen people mention here seem like you need to change the mail server you use. I cant do that for work since it is just me with my phone. I tried one app that someone sent me and it was supposed to monitor my mailbox and push the mail to my phone however it did not work. Any ideas?
Free solution
Visit mail2web.com and you will find free solution. You should only make redirection from your mail server (you could redirect and keep all your mails) towards mail2web account. Enjoy.