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as of right now i cant get anything on the t-mobile free wap/gprs: cant load webpages and cant use AIM
anyone else get the same problem? thanx
Hi,
I've got exactly the same problem... stopped working about 4 days ago... tried everything... even a hard reset of my MDAIII... nothing did it... it does connect to GPRS, but then it doesn't do anything... the connection is established, it's not that the APN doesn't work or anything... it's just that no data comes through... any suggestions?
Treo
Same Issue
I'm having this problem with the wap.voicestream.com gateway on T-Mobile aswell. I contacted the Tmobile techs yesterday and they claim that there never has been (right) and never will be access to wap services over the XDA. The supposedly 'reset' my data connection, but this has no effect whatsoever on my ability to access the internet. Could T-Mobile finally do away with our free data (or in my case 4.99 for tzones)
Any further suggestions would be greatly helpful.
Best,
Matt
I just called t-mobile...
I just called t-mobile because I am having the same problem. The rep says that they finally closed the wap.voicestream.com loophole this past week and that's why it's not working. He said the only way I can get internet, e-mail, AIM etc.. is by paying the $19.99/month internet plan which is outrageous. So hopefully someone has suggestions on what to do...Is there a way to get access wth internet2.voicestream.com without paying the $19.99.
The rep was nice and said that wap.voicestream.com might still work with a wapbrowser.
I'll see if that works but either way say goodbye to your wireless XDA's!!!
Hi,
well, that's good and bad news... did he say whether the 19.99 add on is GPRS or not?... and which option is it exactly... I am willing to pay the extra bucks, but I want GPRS with a reasonable speed for that...
Ya- the internet2.voicestream.com is GPRS not so fast in my opinion- you really think it's worth $20 a month?
i'm not sure which server is which, but i use wap.voicestream.com with $4.99 t-zones and get wap speed but access to just about the entire web. the connection is way slow (do a search here for "test gprs speed" to compare my speed to others) but i don't care because i'm not a heavy user. also, i have to pay extra for any messaging that i do. i burnt agile messanger into my rom, and use it for aim occassionally; i pay $.05 for every message. unlimited email is included, but you have to use the my tmobile email bs. it's not bad, and email turnaround is usually 30 min. they will not allow me to have the $20 addon for gprs because of my credit class. i recently quite one of my jobs, selling cell phones, and can tell you that for $19.99 you get unlimited gprs everything, including IM. typical speed is 56kbps, although the network will support up to 114kbps (actual speed depends on signal strength, network traffic, blah, blah). Note that roaming is not inluded, so if you went to say NC, you will incur additional charges. anyway, post or pm me if you want to know more.
i'll screw around with different access points when i have time...
Wow- thsnks for the tips-
I installed a WAP browser last night and was able to access wap sites but I didn't even think of trying real sites until I read your post- and they work!! The speed is the same as before but I don't understand why these sites work on a WAP browser but not on IE.
Can you explain further on how to get e-mail with wap.voicestream.com. Before they closed the access I was able to just send and recieve using my POP-3 account. How can I do that now?
And for IM I used to use AIM for pocket PC using prt 80 but that has also stopped working.
I will try agile messenger when I get home- but why would that work and AIM not?
Also, I don't know why you pay $4.99 for t-zones when you can get the wap.voicestream.com access without it. I called t-mobile last night and they said that t-zones have nothing to do wth a pocket pc at all and from my experience they are right. i have been using wap.voicestream.com for months now without t-zones.
Thanks,
Daniel
what the hell is happening ? I am on my XDA right now using IE with wap.voicestream.com . AIM and my email works. Hopefully it's back up and this isn;t just a tease.
Hi,
no such luck here... I still don't get anything through wap.voicestream.com ... even though I even signed up for unlimited t-zones now... the 4.99 one... just to see whether that would get me anything... but no... not even wap sites work...
Even stranger... trying internet2.voicestream.com gets me the "Modem disconnected" crap, but actually, for a second or so, it works, loading parts of pages... any idea?
Treo
In order to use the email setup that I have, you have to have T-zones. Basicly, you go to "my tmobile" at tmobile.com, and click on my email. put in the info and it will send your phone program call that sets it up automaticly, or you can put it in manually. If you have the developer SE rom, it won't work, becuase they removed the programs that allow your carrier to program your phone. Also, I think "my email" only appears on "my tmobile" if you sign up for tzones. You tell thier server your emial info ,it checks your mail, and then forwards a copy to your phone...
As far as why stuff won't work......
OK. the way it used to work...
You could put in the server, blah, blah, blah..... and get just about free everything.
BUT THEN.....
T-Mobile started gearing up for T-zones. A new concept where they make money off of people accessing the internet through wireless devices. Makes sense. BUT this is a VERY LARGE and INTRICATE network of computers LANS and WANS not to mention GPRS connections. SO, T-zones is implemented across the network, hurridly, so not everything is 100%. Some geographic areas still allow unauthorized (free) access, becuase not all the equipment is set up correctly. On top of that, if your device confuses the network, you might sitll get free access. Some devices do, some don't. IF you sign up for T-zones with win 2003 and set up wap.voicestream.com as the access point using GPRS/Cellular, then you should be able to go to PIE, put in an address, and it will fire up WAP or WWW. Some wallabies/himilayas just won't do it (radio and rom ver???)(to the best of my knowledge). It is what I have been using for quite some time and it's what I'm using right now.Right now I still have WWW access, but not IM (agile will not sign on anymore (aim)).
I also happen to know that they are performing MAJOR system wide maintainance right now in geographical blocks. I had a problem and called cust care, and then asked my T-Mo rep about it. Sure enough, they are updateing alot of equipment. So this might explain why my AIM is out.
Ports are only unlocked when the system unlocks them (IE you paid for access) or somehow those ports were just never locked on your account (IE your lucky).
Short of the long.... in VA (where I am) I have access with what I have setup. In other parts of th country, it might not work.
If you just buy hte GPRS package, then stop screwing around with us, call customer care, and keep reaming new a$$holes in customer service reps, until you get what you want.
Do a search for "free unlimited GPRS" find all words. About 2/3 down the page, someone announces that it only works with 2003. That's where I set up my connection from. I don't specify anything but wap.voicestream.com.
Anyway.....I'm very busy, but will try to check back tommorrow.
On my MDA II, Agile doesnt connect through APN=WAP gprs. In their manual, they say it should connect!
I'd like to upload pictures from my device. My provider is Orange NL
I want to use APN=WAP, because it is free.
any idea?
Hi,
well... I've been quite on an adventure with T-Mobile GPRS... I purchased their 4.99 unlimited t-zones add-on after my free GPRS didn't work anymore... couple days later I was back online with wap.voicestream.com ... now, about 5 days ago, internet stops working again... no http... but my email still works... so, I figure they are blocking port 80 for some reason... to test that I was going to start a proxy server on one of my webservers... to see whether I can tunnel http through one of the open mail ports... what do you think about this... do other people have the same issues?
Treo
I had no problem sending HTTP thru port 110 to Squid running on my server.
Check this out too:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=517786
Looks like that person is using T-Mobile's proxy server to surf both HTTP and WAP.
I just got of the phone with Cus Care. EXCELENT. I actually got someone who owns a wallaby, and cooks his own roms. This is much different from the normal pageturner I end up haveing to deal with!
Anyway, the damn 6315 required the network to be revamped, and the bastards ended up cutting out tzones for wallabies. :evil: now it's $20 unlimited GPRS or nothing.... dirty bastards.
I got the Tmobile WAP working again!
I have the 4.99 tzones. Mail always worked. The web stopped working earlier this month.
I installed NetFront 3.1 and use 216.155.165.50 port 8080 in the proxy settings. Works like a charm. NetFront is cool too. Beats the stew out of Pocket IE.
Does anyone know how to remove Pocket IE...I could really use the room.
GPRS IE Now Working on T-Mobile
I have an XDA II running 1.72.181 and using the Blackberry mail with internet and voice plans on T-Mobile. My internet also stopped working a week or so ago. T-Mobile unable to help because "XDA is not supported device..." :evil: I believe my problem stems from the same network changes that are mentioned above related to HP PPC.
Anyhow, based on Fuzzie's post and info, I set a new wap.voicestream.com connection up under My Work Settings, set up the proxy based on fuzzie's IP info and, hey presto!, internet browsing restored!! Have to stop the blackberry client and connect using the My Work connection BEFORE launching IE, but small price to pay to get my internet connection back!!
Thanks to all for the leads and data!!
Regards
Chris
Were you on an Internet plan or a t-zones plan?
Actually on a Blackberry Minutes and mail plan, using the Blackberry APN or the wap,voicestream.com APN for browsing. Both stopped working a week or so back. Then I read this thread and am now back up browsing using the wap.voicestream APM via the proxy
SO,
is there anyway to use PIE and Tzones to browse the web, or would I have to install some other wap browser???
Which settings would one use if he were using PIE?
Thanks in advance!
and MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!
Hi all,
I have searched and searched for this around many forums including this one and found nothing to help me, so finally logged a call with Orange Premier, who after about 3 weeks of calls back and forth finally told me that after speaking with tech support that they are aware of an issue affecting the HTC Touch HD and some of their Balckberry's which is that the devices do not download MMS messages!
So if you have this problem, I suggest pestering Orange until they release a fix of some sort, at the moment they have no fix but are apparently working on it!
Update:
Orange finally suggested registering the SIM card which came with the new Touch HD as I should have registered it anyway so they know what phone I have and this seems to have fixed it - let me know if this works for you!
Update
D'oh - Spoke too soon!
Seemed to work for while but now no longer works without disconnecting the Orange Internet GPRS connection first, and even then it is hit and miss!
This is really annoying and Orange's stand is basically there is nothing we can do. No way I will be staying with orange when my contract is up, after 14 years of being an Orange customer
Wow - I thought it was just me! Thanks, and please keep us updated.
I have downloaded MMS on Orange UK, but I had to go to the Orange site and find the MMS settings. Once they were done I receved MMS and then noticed I had no internet connection (over gsm). So I went to the Orange site and entered the settings for OrangeInternet - the mobile internet worked again, but now I can't download MMS.
It's the lesser of two evils for me not to have MMS. But would like it back
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Wow - I thought it was just me! Thanks, and please keep us updated.
I have downloaded MMS on Orange UK, but I had to go to the Orange site and find the MMS settings. Once they were done I receved MMS and then noticed I had no internet connection (over gsm). So I went to the Orange site and entered the settings for OrangeInternet - the mobile internet worked again, but now I can't download MMS.
It's the lesser of two evils for me not to have MMS. But would like it back
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Can't say I've experienced this problem.
I generally upgrade to a new ROM every week and when phone first starts, connection settings are automatically setup for you.
If you don't want to wait for Orange to release a fix, try using a different ROM and see if this works for you
I have this problem also.
I called up orange and they basically told me that the MMS i was receiving was too big.
The limit apparently is 300k. I tested this by sending from a blackberry and the MMS > 300k didn't download, but the MMS < 300k did download.
Pretty poor that there's a limit on it as some phones don't reaize the content before sending.
I'm missing out on a good few messages because of this
That's interesting Scotia, but the mms's I am recieving are from people with rubbish camera pics so I'm not entirely sure that's the reason - but I will test.
Hey Guys,
Rang Orange again today as I am getting really annyoed with this, I am planning a wedding atm and the missus is constantly sending me MMS of photos she has taken for colours of bridesmaids dresses and flowers etc.....not that I am really interested but I pretend I am!!!
Anyway, the outcome of this latest call was that I was told to ring HTC direct and they sent me HTC's phone number.....I rang HTC, they told me that they could come and collect my phone run diagnistics on it and let me know if it was an issue, however they would not provide a replacement and the whole process would take a couple of weeks!
I said this was not acceptable and was there not a fix for it, were they even awar of it? The answer was that it was an orange branded phone and they don't issue ROM updates that orange do and to call them!
I called orange back told them the good news, that it was infact their problem to deal with....with which they said they will go back to technical support!
In the mean time I have done anther hard reset and it seems to have downloaded a message, but then once my poush email etc is setup again it stops downloading MMS again. So I think it is to do with having two connections running at the same time Surely this is not acceptable!
I also asked orange for another phone until they got a fix, told them I wanted either a different brand phone or another HTC model until they had a fix. Apparently the system will not allow this!!!
I know I could flash another ROM, and I would class myself as pretty technical - but I don't see why I should have to do this and also I will then get no support from Orange if I am on a non-standard ROM? Also where to start, there are so many ROMS floating about, which one to choose?!
Anyways, thought I would keep you all posted.
Cheers,
James
james, i have also noticed this and am wioth orange.
It was working fine, then stopped receiving mms, but email worked ok, so i checked online and went through the mms settings, this fixed problem, and was again able to receive mms, but email didnt work - it is a problem with the mms settings and internet settings running at same time.
when you check the connections folder, and manage existing connections - only orange internet is present. if you try to add the mss settigns it says they already exist, and wont let you add them, i think maybe if we try that, but call them a diff name maybe it`ll work, i will give it a go and report back.
t3rm3y - I wonder if you may be onto something there! I don't have time to test atm but let me know what you find out and then I will try it this afternoon
My brother who is on the Three network sends MMS to his girlfriend and she gets it instantly but whenever he sends it to me, i never get it.
Must be a vodafone thing, maybe a HD thing, who knows.
Psygnosis84 said:
My brother who is on the Three network sends MMS to his girlfriend and she gets it instantly but whenever he sends it to me, i never get it.
Must be a vodafone thing, maybe a HD thing, who knows.
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According to Orange that is a Vodafone issue, as they started telling me that they knew of a problem sending messages to vodafone, that sometimes a message doesn't get through and other times it is received more than once, but it was a problem with Voda not Orange. That didn't help me as I am trying to send and receive between two Orange handsets which doesn't work!
I also have problem with MMS not downloading
to get them downlonaded I close active sync then disconnect all data connections , then moments later the MMS connection is remade and MMS downloads OK
EyeBees said:
I also have problem with MMS not downloading
to get them downlonaded I close active sync then disconnect all data connections , then moments later the MMS connection is remade and MMS downloads OK
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thats exactly what i have had to do .
close all data sessions , then it receives the mms .
Sorry for the bump but im so glad i found this thread ! Thought it was just me. I've been on the phone to orange about 6 times to sort this out and it still doesn't always work. Any signs of progress from orange ?
Just want to bump this thread again as I'm having the same trouble with Orange, I can only send mms's if I disconnect all currant data connections
B.T
You need to create an Orange MMS profile under connections. I leave mine on "orange internet" but if I receive an MMS change it to "orange MMS" just to download the message, then change it back. Works Ok. The MMS technical helpdesk gave me a walkthrough to set up the MMS settings.
skribzy said:
You need to create an Orange MMS profile under connections. I leave mine on "orange internet" but if I receive an MMS change it to "orange MMS" just to download the message, then change it back. Works Ok. The MMS technical helpdesk gave me a walkthrough to set up the MMS settings.
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Thats more of a work around, similar to closing all data connections mentioned above.
Thing is, the MMS should download without any intervention. So there is a problem that needs fixed.
Orange hit me off with this rubbish when i called them also, only for me to tell them that i already have the Orange MMS profile setup correctly in my phone.
Then they told me that it's bacause the MMS is too big.
But now i have tested large pic sizes by disconnecting all data connections and i can receive the MMS no problem.
Think i'll give them a call tomorrow again and see if there's any chance they can get this sorted.
Just off the phone to Orange.
The guy i spoke to said he had the Touch HD handset and had the same problems.
Told me to do the following :
Start > Programs > Quick GPS > Menu > Options : Untick 'Auto download when data expires'
Start > Programs > RSS Hub > Menu > Options : Auto Update Mode should be set to 'No Auto Update'
Start > Settings > System Tab > Windows Update > Menu > Connections : Untick 'Use my data plan to check for and download updates'
Manila Weather Tab > Menu > Settings : Untick 'Download weather automatically'
Now i know this seems again more of a workaround than an actual fix, but to be honest, i don't think Orange are going to provide a permanant fix for this.
I have tried 3 MMS messages so far and they all have worked with no problems.
I'll keep monitoring it and update if i have anymore issues.
i can download mms and go on internet, but cant send stupid things. tried the mms account on the manage settings tab, but dont help, tried the turning off auto update idea, still no help, its well annoying.!!!
I got my HTC Touch HD on monday and all has been fine and have been getting mms with no problems, out of interest I followed scotia_rfc's work around and discovered that my phone was default set up as he had listed, I didn't have to make any changes etc. Perhaps Orange have twigged to this and are now sending out all new Touch HD's configured this way?
I'm expecting my HD tomorrow, will let you know how mine is set up
Dave
hey guys. im using tzones on my xperia, everything used to work fine as for sending mms and sms. however, i recently flashed a new rom, and the settings were all deleted. i know the settings by heart and all, but now when i try to send an mms through my tmobile gprs connection, it stops at 99% and doesnt pull through. it goes on a loop and keeps trying to resend, but stops at 99%. i am able to recieve pciture messages through the same settings though, so i dont know whats wrong. anyone have any ideas?
Hey..So I unlocked my from from tmobile and use it on At&t's network. I have internet running fine with edge but for some reason every time i take a picture and try to send it to someone I can't? Anyone know a fix for this? And yes I do pay for picture/video messaging through At&t and I was able to do it on my old blackjack 2. Thanks
did you configure mms on the hd2 to work with AT&T's network? If not, search for the appropriate connections settings. You will change them under Start... Settings... Connections... Connections... Manage existing connections... edit... then put in the settings you found.
SSoonr said:
did you configure mms on the hd2 to work with AT&T's network? If not, search for the appropriate connections settings. You will change them under Start... Settings... Connections... Connections... Manage existing connections... edit... then put in the settings you found.
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I did configure the mms connection setting at wap.cingular ...but i still cannot send them.
desiplaya172 said:
I did configure the mms connection setting at wap.cingular ...but i still cannot send them.
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Did you go into the mms settings and change the server? (SMS tab) all messages....menu....settings...options....menu....mms server And seve it to the ATT connections?
zelendel said:
Did you go into the mms settings and change the server? (SMS tab) all messages....menu....settings...options....menu....mms server And seve it to the ATT connections?
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Hey yeah this i haven't changed..do you know what i need to type in for sever name, ip address, port number, server address, connect via, and which wpa version?
desiplaya172 said:
Hey yeah this i haven't changed..do you know what i need to type in for sever name, ip address, port number, server address, connect via, and which wpa version?
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Server name: AT&T MMS
Gateway: wireless.cingular.com
Port number: 80
Server address: http://mmsc.cingular.com
Connect via: MEdia net
desiplaya172 said:
Hey..So I unlocked my from from tmobile and use it on At&t's network. I have internet running fine with edge but for some reason every time i take a picture and try to send it to someone I can't? Anyone know a fix for this? And yes I do pay for picture/video messaging through At&t and I was able to do it on my old blackjack 2. Thanks
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Hi this is my plane to get a unlocked HD2 and use it on ATT as you do.
I notised "internet running fine with edge" and wander why edge and not ATT's 3G?
Thanks
NY_HAMMER said:
Hi this is my plane to get a unlocked HD2 and use it on ATT as you do.
I notised "internet running fine with edge" and wander why edge and not ATT's 3G?
Thanks
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The 3g Is carrier dependent. The only version of the HD2 that will work on ATT 3g is the Telstra version
zelendel said:
The 3g Is carrier dependent. The only version of the HD2 that will work on ATT 3g is the Telstra version
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Is it hardware limitation or ROM/Radio?
I currently have my old TILT on ATT but it's unlocked and on custom ROM and I tried it few time on T-Mobile and it did worked fine on their 3g.
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Is it hardware limitation or ROM/Radio?
I currently have my old TILT on ATT but it's unlocked and on custom ROM and I tried it few time on T-Mobile and it did worked fine on their 3g.
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It is a hardware limitation. You say you you had your tilt running on t-mobile 3g? That is odd as it does not have the hardware to run on the freq
zelendel said:
It is a hardware limitation. You say you you had your tilt running on t-mobile 3g? That is odd as it does not have the hardware to run on the freq
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Never measured the speed but there was "H" on display and not "E"
May be was my mistake.
If HD2 is not capable of running on ATT 3G I will have to change my plans.
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Never measured the speed but there was "H" on display and not "E"
May be was my mistake.
If HD2 is not capable of running on ATT 3G I will have to change my plans.
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Oh yes it is able to run on HSDPA (H) just not ATT 3G. I have been running mine on Edge for a few days and it is still fast enough for me with wifi everywhere
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Server name: AT&T MMS
Gateway: wireless.cingular.com
Port number: 80
Server address: http://mmsc.cingular.com
Connect via: MEdia net
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Question...on my phone instead of it saying gateway it says ip address right under the server name..what do I type in there?
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Oh yes it is able to run on HSDPA (H) just not ATT 3G. I have been running mine on Edge for a few days and it is still fast enough for me with wifi everywhere
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Well, to buy it outright here in US it's $500 for Tmobile one vs $800-900 for TELSTRA version.
There is no phone in my book I would spend $800.
So it's either TMobile HD2 with edge or TILT2
LOL
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Question...on my phone instead of it saying gateway it says ip address right under the server name..what do I type in there?
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I am still waiting on my unlock code so I am shooting from the hip here. I found the settings by searching, give me some time and ill get all the settings (end of day) best advice I can offer is try out different things with the settings I gave you till I get them all for you.
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Well, to buy it outright here in US it's $500 for Tmobile one vs $800-900 for TELSTRA version.
There is no phone in my book I would spend $800.
So it's either TMobile HD2 with edge or TILT2
LOL
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I Had a Tilt2 sense 2 days before release on ATT and Loved it, But took the plunge and sold it to buy my HD2, even on edge I think I made the right choice. Everything that did annoy me with the tilt 2 is not an issue with the HD 2.
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I Had a Tilt2 sense 2 days before release on ATT and Loved it, But took the plunge and sold it to buy my HD2, even on edge I think I made the right choice. Everything that did annoy me with the tilt 2 is not an issue with the HD 2.
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What were the problems with TILT2?
As long as internet radio streaming will work on edge I can deal with it.
I use SPB Online for those things it also have internet TV but it never works up to the watchable standard.
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What were the problems with TILT2?
As long as internet radio streaming will work on edge I can deal with it.
I use SPB Online for those things it also have internet TV but it never works up to the watchable standard.
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To be flat honest it needed a ram boost. I am a huge music fan and listen all day long and it would keep running high. The camera sucked ( I know not a big deal lol) It had probs reading anything bigger then a 8gb card in the camera (also not a real big deal).As much as I liked the screen on the Tilt 2 I have to say that if it had a capasitive screen I may have just choked it up and bought my HD 2 out right instead of selling one to get the other. It will work, but I use WIFI most of the time so I cant account for the speeds
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Question...on my phone instead of it saying gateway it says ip address right under the server name..what do I type in there?
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Messages/All Messages/Menu/Settings/Options/Menu/MMS Server/New
Server Name: Cingular MMS
Gateway: 66.209.11.32 (This is wireless.cingular.com)
Port number: 80
Server address: http://mmsc.cingular.com
Connect via: MEdia Net
Sending size limitation: 300k
WAP Version: WAP 2.0
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Messages/All Messages/Menu/Settings/Options/Menu/MMS Server/New
Server Name: Cingular MMS
Gateway: 66.209.11.32 (This is wireless.cingular.com)
Port number: 80
Server address: http://mmsc.cingular.com
Connect via: MEdia Net
Sending size limitation: 300k
WAP Version: WAP 2.0
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Hey..for some reason it still not letting me send picture messages. I typed in everything as is above. Is there any other thing that I am missing?
desiplaya172 said:
Hey..for some reason it still not letting me send picture messages. I typed in everything as is above. Is there any other thing that I am missing?
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Are you running a custom or stock rom?
What are some roms with this setting? I liked CM7 and RG but they dont have this setting. Im on 200 mb plan and I meed this toggle to be able to MMS while mobile data network is off. Thx
knapz said:
What are some roms with this setting? I liked CM7 and RG but they dont have this setting. Im on 200 mb plan and I meed this toggle to be able to MMS while mobile data network is off. Thx
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If your on T-Mobile mms messaging doesn't go against your data limit, its included in your messaging plan.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA Premium App
What I need is a toggle that allows me to MMS while having mobile data off. Maybe its a Sense only feature?
sms/mms is not DATA...
Pirateghost said:
sms/mms is not DATA...
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Are you sure of this? If my wifi is on and I try to send/recv mms, the 3G lights up. It might not count count toward your data limit, but I think it does utilize your mobile data connection to send/recv mms. I believe the OPs concern is that they want mobile data off, but to be available on demand for sending/receiving mms. Correct me if I'm wrong...
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TJBunch1228 said:
Are you sure of this? If my wifi is on and I try to send/recv mms, the 3G lights up. It might not count count toward your data limit, but I think it does utilize your mobile data connection to send/recv mms. I believe the OPs concern is that they want mobile data off, but to be available on demand for sending/receiving mms. Correct me if I'm wrong...
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think about what you said for a minute. it is using your CELL, and not the wifi. if it was data it would just go over the wifi.
i can assure you that DATA and SMS/MMS are different. you can have SMS/MMS without having a data plan. dont forget there were cell phones before smart phones came around.
dont believe me? just try it out for yourself. shut off all data and send/receive sms/mms. it works. i have many users with captivates that accidentally turn off their data but texting still works....
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think about what you said for a minute. it is using your CELL, and not the wifi. if it was data it would just go over the wifi.
i can assure you that DATA and SMS/MMS are different. you can have SMS/MMS without having a data plan. dont forget there were cell phones before smart phones came around.
dont believe me? just try it out for yourself. shut off all data and send/receive sms/mms. it works. i have many users with captivates that accidentally turn off their data but texting still works....
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Your confident answer gave me a scare for a sec, because I thought you might be right. Unfortunately you are confused, and consequently wrong as a result.
I will however concede a point - TEXTING works without a data connection. That was never in question. Re-read my post and you'll see I only mention MMS. To send or receive MMS you MUST have a MOBILE data connection. The only possible caveat to this is that this may be T-Mobile only??? I do not have any other carriers to test it on, so you may be right if you have AT$T.
Either way - ATLEAST for T-mo - mobile data must be active to send or receive MMS. If you are on WiFi, and try to send or receive MMS, it will enable mobile data to make that transaction happen. You do not have to have a data plan in order to use MMS, but mobile data must be enabled on the phone. I tested this personally as well as googled the subject to corroborate and compare my results. To quote someone's reasoned response that I found on the interwebz:
"Just to confirm, MMS can not be sent over Wi-Fi. The phone must have access to a carrier's network (its own or roaming) to send. The MMSC has a list of acceptable IP ranges to accept from and well when using Wi-Fi, it is not on that list . Plus if it did send over Wi-fi, the MMSC would not be able to identify correctly where the message is coming from and will not know whether it is a true message or spam."
You are right though, your Captivate using buds are able to send texts while mobile data is off, due to the obvious fact that texting doesn't use mobile data.
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Your confident answer gave me a scare for a sec, because I thought you might be right. Unfortunately you are confused, and consequently wrong as a result.
I will however concede a point - TEXTING works without a data connection. That was never in question. Re-read my post and you'll see I only mention MMS. To send or receive MMS you MUST have a MOBILE data connection. The only possible caveat to this is that this may be T-Mobile only??? I do not have any other carriers to test it on, so you may be right if you have AT$T.
Either way - ATLEAST for T-mo - mobile data must be active to send or receive MMS. If you are on WiFi, and try to send or receive MMS, it will enable mobile data to make that transaction happen. You do not have to have a data plan in order to use MMS, but mobile data must be enabled on the phone. I tested this personally as well as googled the subject to corroborate and compare my results. To quote someone's reasoned response that I found on the interwebz:
"Just to confirm, MMS can not be sent over Wi-Fi. The phone must have access to a carrier's network (its own or roaming) to send. The MMSC has a list of acceptable IP ranges to accept from and well when using Wi-Fi, it is not on that list . Plus if it did send over Wi-fi, the MMSC would not be able to identify correctly where the message is coming from and will not know whether it is a true message or spam."
You are right though, your Captivate using buds are able to send texts while mobile data is, off, due to the obvious fact that texting doesn't use mobile data.
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This is correct and what I'm experiencing. I'm on T-Mobile, have 200 MB data plan, using CM7 and RG, I want to be able to turn data off but have it come on automatically for mms (not SMS). I know mms does not count towards data usage but I still would want to be able to control it. I've tried apndroid and data toggle widget to no success.
Fyi if I go into CM7 network settings and uncheck data the mms will not send and will stay in "sending" mode
If I go into miui or evil 4g HD mobile settings I can unchecked data and CHECK enable alwayson data and my mms will work and my browser wont since data is off
TJBunch1228 said:
Your confident answer gave me a scare for a sec, because I thought you might be right. Unfortunately you are confused, and consequently wrong as a result.
I will however concede a point - TEXTING works without a data connection. That was never in question. Re-read my post and you'll see I only mention MMS. To send or receive MMS you MUST have a MOBILE data connection. The only possible caveat to this is that this may be T-Mobile only??? I do not have any other carriers to test it on, so you may be right if you have AT$T.
Either way - ATLEAST for T-mo - mobile data must be active to send or receive MMS. If you are on WiFi, and try to send or receive MMS, it will enable mobile data to make that transaction happen. You do not have to have a data plan in order to use MMS, but mobile data must be enabled on the phone. I tested this personally as well as googled the subject to corroborate and compare my results. To quote someone's reasoned response that I found on the interwebz:
"Just to confirm, MMS can not be sent over Wi-Fi. The phone must have access to a carrier's network (its own or roaming) to send. The MMSC has a list of acceptable IP ranges to accept from and well when using Wi-Fi, it is not on that list . Plus if it did send over Wi-fi, the MMSC would not be able to identify correctly where the message is coming from and will not know whether it is a true message or spam."
You are right though, your Captivate using buds are able to send texts while mobile data is off, due to the obvious fact that texting doesn't use mobile data.
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knapz said:
This is correct and what I'm experiencing. I'm on T-Mobile, have 200 MB data plan, using CM7 and RG, I want to be able to turn data off but have it come on automatically for mms (not SMS). I know mms does not count towards data usage but I still would want to be able to control it. I've tried apndroid and data toggle widget to no success.
Fyi if I go into CM7 network settings and uncheck data the mms will not send and will stay in "sending" mode
If I go into miui or evil 4g HD mobile settings I can unchecked data and CHECK enable alwayson data and my mms will work and my browser wont since data is off
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you are both right. i apologize. i tested this out on my captivate to my desire z. texting works fine, but as you said, MMS doesnt work.
what you want to do sounds like something that can easily be done with tasker. you could have a shortcut on your homescreen that launched a task (enabling data long enough for your MMS). there are probably other variables that could be used in this as well...tasker is extensive.