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Problem with streaming audio

Hey people.
I've been trying to listen to an internet radio station, and after about 45 seconds it says 'buffering...' followed by an error message saying it 'can't play this file', or something similar.
I can re-click on the link and play another 45 seconds before the same problem occurs.
It happens with different stations.
Any help?
thx,
b

anyone?

Update:-
the problem seems to happen when I'm on the move.
Any help?

for me .. my provider blocks audio streaming and get an error when i try to stream audio from the interent........... but in ur case if it only happens when you are on the move it could be bad handing-over between cells......

Hm, don't know if GPRS has enough bandwith to bring you that much information in time.
I guess, the GPRS downstream isn't that wide to carry all that amount of data for that stream. On cell handover or in case you are in public places (where a lot of people are using one single GSM-cell) the bandwith is reduced as well (because voice gets priority over GPRS).
Audio-Streams over GPRS - anyone who did this till yet?
Greetings,
BGK

there is a program for nokia 6630 that you can connect to many radio stations and stream radio in a very good quality.... my friend tested it (works in a GSM company here) and worked good for him.....

As the Nokia 6630 is a 3G Phone (UMTS,Edge), I believe it's more likely that it's possible to use audio streams with it, because 3G supports higher bandwidth.
As our little helpers are only able to use GPRS and this has it's limitations (bandwith is reduced in case of many people using one GSM cell, etc. - as I stated above), I guess the dropouts mentioned by Bennage are technically determined. The stream is - simply spoken - not delivered fast enough to the mobile, so it runs out of data, has to fill the buffer again, plays, runs out of data, and so on...
Maybe I've got time to check this here. Never thought of listening to audio streams via GPRS before (volume charged), but now it's just curiosity which incites me :wink:
Greetings,
BGK

another reason for the dropout when on the move could be related to switching connection as when one moves about one change from one antenna to another
this would likely cause holes in the stream

BGK said:
As the Nokia 6630 is a 3G Phone (UMTS,Edge), I believe it's more likely that it's possible to use audio streams with it, because 3G supports higher bandwidth.
As our little helpers are only able to use GPRS and this has it's limitations (bandwith is reduced in case of many people using one GSM cell, etc. - as I stated above), I guess the dropouts mentioned by Bennage are technically determined. The stream is - simply spoken - not delivered fast enough to the mobile, so it runs out of data, has to fill the buffer again, plays, runs out of data, and so on...
Maybe I've got time to check this here. Never thought of listening to audio streams via GPRS before (volume charged), but now it's just curiosity which incites me :wink:
Greetings,
BGK
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it's true that the nokia 6630 is a 3G phone but both of our service providers are running 2.5G networks.. so they are not using EDGE just plain GPRS........ and just to check i used my friends SIM and went to www.windowsmedia.com and i was able to stream with great quality and no dropouts......... so it is possible to stream audio but sometimes SP they block aduio streaming as in the case of my service provider........
hope that helps

3G == UTSM
2½G == EDGE
2G == GSM
1G == NMT
so if it's on a 2½G network then it have a much higher transfer rate then a xda2 which dont support anything but GPRS on 2G

true but edge is not enabled it here yet.....!
he said it's a matter of installing software to their servers to enable it...

Streaming audio --> GPRS/Edge speeds, T-mobile USA

Great forum,
I was wondering if anyone else is able to stream shoutcast or similar in the US using the kjam? In the denver area, I can barely stream 56Kbit streams, as they have to buffer all the time. Occasionally I can stream a 128Kbit stream for an hour or more. I upgraded my 6315 ipaq (among other reasons) to make use of the supposed Edge data rates.
I have tried GSPlayer, TCMP, Resco Radio, and others. None of the prebuffering options seem to help significantly. It seems logical to me that even over GPRS speeds, I should be able to buffer enough that it should only hiccup once a .5 hour or so. Resco Radio seems to work the best, yet it has the least buffer tweak options.
Any advise?
Thanks!

pterodyne said:
Great forum,
I was wondering if anyone else is able to stream shoutcast or similar in the US using the kjam? In the denver area, I can barely stream 56Kbit streams, as they have to buffer all the time. Occasionally I can stream a 128Kbit stream for an hour or more. I upgraded my 6315 ipaq (among other reasons) to make use of the supposed Edge data rates.
I have tried GSPlayer, TCMP, Resco Radio, and others. None of the prebuffering options seem to help significantly. It seems logical to me that even over GPRS speeds, I should be able to buffer enough that it should only hiccup once a .5 hour or so. Resco Radio seems to work the best, yet it has the least buffer tweak options.
Any advise?
Thanks!
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eb said:
pterodyne said:
Great forum,
I was wondering if anyone else is able to stream shoutcast or similar in the US using the kjam? In the denver area, I can barely stream 56Kbit streams, as they have to buffer all the time. Occasionally I can stream a 128Kbit stream for an hour or more. I upgraded my 6315 ipaq (among other reasons) to make use of the supposed Edge data rates.
I have tried GSPlayer, TCMP, Resco Radio, and others. None of the prebuffering options seem to help significantly. It seems logical to me that even over GPRS speeds, I should be able to buffer enough that it should only hiccup once a .5 hour or so. Resco Radio seems to work the best, yet it has the least buffer tweak options.
Any advise?
Thanks!
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Interested int this too. Just discovered Shoutcast today and I'm in love, but the pauses/speed is irritating. Any fixes?

Well...I've noticed something concerning streaming audio to my device (Cingular 8125) over EDGE. Unless I use the 'dialup' servers it won't work. I decided to do a speed test at bandwithplace.com and I discovered that even in places where I had 4 full bars and complete EDGE coverage I still only got results of about 100 kbps +/- 10kbps. So I've been somewhat limited in where I can listen to most streams. Imagine my surprise when I learned (today searching that same website) that EDGE is actually rated for 384 kbps! If my home broadband service (rated at 6 mbps) suddenly only worked at 2mbps I'd be angry. Well after venting a bit, does anyone here know if this speed is a limitation of the hardware/software or a bottleneck in the network itself?

I don't know much about the technical issues but my understanding is that EDGE works using multiple channels or timeslots which aggregated together would give you the theoretical maximum of 384. If the network you are connected to has much voice traffic then voice channels take priority and the slots available to your data would reduce and consequently the throughput. There is also the potential that a network may not allocate the full EDGE service but throttle the number of channels available to you on the system giving you a lower maximum rate evn when the network is fully available.

So far my experiences have been such that I have given up on streaming audio through my kjam over EGDE. From an email or browsing perspective GPRS seemed just as fast, although the speed tests seemed to indicate a higher throughput. It's a good thing the Tmo in Denver Isn't charging more for EDGE over GPRS or I'd be angry!

My experience has been that using Orb I can stream video from my home PC with little problem other than the occassional pause (makes those long meetings tolerable ;-)

Update:
I was using Shoutcast thru TCPMP again and this time, I seemed to be getting a better GPRS signal, resulting in a stream of music (same station as before) that lasted about 10 minutes without a hiccup, and then about another 10 more without another break. It was fantastic! Using shoutcast thru TCPMP has been the best experience I've had with internet radio to this point....

Skype on mini!

Hello people,
Have anyone used Skype on mini? Mini doesn't have 3G and skype requires it i think. Have you tried? Which version did you download from?
Regards
Carty..

Skype does not require 3g. It works with wifi or BT. I don't have a wifi card but I've already played around with BT and is quitke good.

Hi,
Fine, let me try with gprs. Which version of skype is compatible with mini, can you please give me the link.
Thanx in advance.
Regards
Carty..

Skype

I tryed skipe with gprs and it works quite good! the quality is not the best but i cud understand my skipe contact... skype out was also quite good

Which version did you use? i couldn't find a version specific for mini. Only other devices like Dell, imate were there.
Thanx.
Regards
Carty..

I only tried it with their beta version. I uninstalled it because I don't have and don't want to buy a wifi card since soon I'll be replacing my S100.

i used the version for high speed cpus! you can download it from here:
http://www.skype.com/download/skype/mobile/download.html
I only tested it with gprs

Thanx you guys!
Regards
Carty..
www.CartyStudios.com

is it possible to run skype for ppc over a https proxy like the bigger brother for pc?
because i only have web and email on my ppc

Carty said:
Hello people,
Have anyone used Skype on mini? Mini doesn't have 3G and skype requires it i think. Have you tried? Which version did you download from?
Regards
Carty..
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mast use wifi.

handyfanat said:
I tryed skipe with gprs and it works quite good! the quality is not the best but i cud understand my skipe contact... skype out was also quite good
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Sorry to say that but that's bull****. Skype runs well via WiFi or 3G. GPRS only offers 56kbps, that is by far not enough bandiwth for voice. You can chat via GPRS, but no voice.

Private-Cowboy said:
handyfanat said:
I tryed skipe with gprs and it works quite good! the quality is not the best but i cud understand my skipe contact... skype out was also quite good
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Sorry to say that but that's bull****. Skype runs well via WiFi or 3G. GPRS only offers 56kbps, that is by far not enough bandiwth for voice. You can chat via GPRS, but no voice.
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That's true. Even If U'll switch to 4downling and 1 uplink U can barelly undestand your partner and with 1 uplink he will understand nothing. For skype U need at last 5 kB uplink and 5 kB downling - its impossible to get with GPRS.

You guys might need to get updated! Skype works well with my poor gprs connection even for voice! My gprs gives a transfer rate of an average 3kbps. The quality of the voice is like telephone clearity! I just used it for skype-out, a call to a land line number!
Regards
Carty..

@Carty: That's absolute bull****.
It doesn't even work smooth with bluetooth ~30kb/s.

Carty said:
You guys might need to get updated! Skype works well with my poor gprs connection even for voice! My gprs gives a transfer rate of an average 3kbps. The quality of the voice is like telephone clearity! I just used it for skype-out, a call to a land line number!
Regards
Carty..
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Get real! Magician offers 2 GPRS modes: 3-2 and 4-1 (where 4-1 means that 4 of 5 slots avaiable are used for download and 1 slot for upload. For skype U need 5 kB uplink and 5 kB downlink and there's no way to get it with 4-1 where U have max 4kB downlink (u should barelly undestand UR partner) and 1kB (sic!) uplink (theres no way that U will be understood). 3kB down and 2kB up in 3-2 GPRS mode is pretty useless too...
Point is that Skype need much more bandwidth than standard VoIP software so U can try one of many other VoiP communicators and U may be succesfull.

^ Um, that isn't the correct way to gague your GPRS ability - 1 slot != 1kB. If you're getting only like 3-5kB, it's because of reception or operator restrictions, NOT slot limit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Packet_Radio_Service for a general idea of the GPRS standard.

^ Um, that isn't the correct way to gague your GPRS ability - 1 slot != 1kB. If you're getting only like 3-5kB, it's because of reception or operator restrictions, NOT slot limit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Packet_Radio_Service for a general idea of the GPRS standard.

Phone as external modem for Athena?

I have just got the viewty phone but obviously browsing on an Athena is a better experience, is it possible to use the viewty (other phone) as a modem for the Athena without their being a sim card in the Athena.
I know it works on WIFI but can another phone do this

Yes provided you have the right data package on the viewity you can connect via bluetooth and use the viewity as a modem, but there are a couple of things to consider.
1) is the viewity HSDPA !! is it even 3G if not expect SLOWWW speeds
2) if your on T-mobile having the £7.50 per month web and walk is not good enough, you have to pay the extra £5 to get web n walk pro! this is because the LG acts as a dial up modem not an internet sharing device.

ice_coffee said:
Yes provided you have the right data package on the viewity you can connect via bluetooth and use the viewity as a modem, but there are a couple of things to consider.
1) is the viewity HSDPA !! is it even 3G if not expect SLOWWW speeds
2) if your on T-mobile having the £7.50 per month web and walk is not good enough, you have to pay the extra £5 to get web n walk pro! this is because the LG acts as a dial up modem not an internet sharing device.
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The viewty is HSDPA im on webnwalk pro
I am also selling my ATHENA!

spacecat said:
The viewty is HSDPA im on webnwalk pro
I am also selling my ATHENA!
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bt DUN is more than fast enough to provide an enjoyable browsing experience with the Athena and the Viewty as a modem. Certainly no worse than using your SIM in the phone (in my opinion).
However if you're getting an EEE I'd wait for that and just plug the Viewty in!
BTW, how are you getting along with the Viewty? Is it enjoyable to use?
Also do you know what category of HSDPA it is? T-Mobile are supposedly about to inflate their service to 7.2mbps in some areas very soon.
Cheers,
Leon

leoni1980 said:
bt DUN is more than fast enough to provide an enjoyable browsing experience with the Athena and the Viewty as a modem. Certainly no worse than using your SIM in the phone (in my opinion).
However if you're getting an EEE I'd wait for that and just plug the Viewty in!
BTW, how are you getting along with the Viewty? Is it enjoyable to use?
Also do you know what category of HSDPA it is? T-Mobile are supposedly about to inflate their service to 7.2mbps in some areas very soon.
Cheers,
Leon
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The viewty is a very very nice fone. TBH I am just amazed that so much has been crammed into what is a FEATHERLITE phone!
I can use the touch screen no probs , i dont have sausage fingers. It does FULL screen DIVX playback superbly out of the box.Media streaming is much better than Ameo
can watch ORB with absolutley no Buffering and Mobile TV(which theAmeo cant do).
Nice music player , nice organiser
The software to sync is a bit crap but i have it working ok
obviously browsing is not as good as the AMeo due to screen size but thats what the EEE is FOR
I think this is gonna be a keeper , i just dont think 1 device can be a decent fone and a laptop type thingy
i have used big fones for a long time now, AMEO,MDA Vario, XDA 2i P900 and its really weird to have something so small that can do so much.
I am much more an entertainement and internet kinda guy so this new set up suits me great.
Just Sold my AMEO!

BTW, is this normal that during BT connection with external phone, the connection icon in the top bar shows no connection (two arrows with cross)?
When I'm connected with PC via ActiveSync it shows connection properly, however when use external BT modem, it doesn't recognize connection status.
Internal GSM module is switched off continuously.

How do I set my Tilt up as a BT modem for the Advantage? ICS does not work. How do I get the Advantage to look for a BT internet gateway?

Rather than doing this, whatabout alternative solutions such as:
- Getting a dual SIM card, one for Athena, and another for your little phone. In that way there is no need to make the little phone Athena's modem. One phone plan, one number. I'm not sure if your serviceprovider offers it.
- Use Athena as the primary phone, but use a blue tooth headset such as LG style I, or bluetooth watch headset called blue sound? You can them make and receive call with these little gadget instead of using the brick.

Is anyone in Germany using a Fonic sim card with the Touch HD?

I was curious if the Fonic card in Germany (www.fonic.de) works well with the HD. I don't know how fast their internet speeds are. Their costs for Data transfer are the best I've seen so far (0.24 Euros per 1 MB according to their homepage). They charge per 100 KB (so 2.4 cents). Other carriers charge 6 cents for only 10 KB (that is about 25-times more expensive than fonic!)

I think it schould work well.
Fonic has the fastest internet connection in Germany.
It provides you 3.6 Mbit hsdpa, if there is t-mobile reception.
Otherwise you have normal hsdpa(384kbit) with o2 net.
one mb costs 24 cent but the timing is 100kb.
so you have to pay the whole 100kb you enterd.
i thought about changing my provider to fonic because of the hsdpa. but then i found blau.de. with blau.de 1mb also costs 24 cent but the timing is 10kb. but here it comes:
it offers you a 1gb datapack for 9.90€ per 30 days.
i am writing on my hd right now. the only problem is the crappy eplus-net quality and of course the lack of hsdpa.
i hope i could give you a little overwiew
ps: sorry for my english and ignoring lower and upper case, im writing on my touch hd.

Blau provides only Umts speed 384kbit because using the Eplus carrier. Simyo the same.
Fonic is ok, but they are on the O2 carrier and therefore no O2 means no HSDPA only GPRS. The daily flat 2,50€ is more interesting than the 100kb rates.
I change between Eplus and O2 because O2 is faster but only in the big cities, while Eplus Umts is to get on much more places. T1 cancelled the roaming contracts with O2, meaning a lot of holes in the O2 coverage.

bandanner said:
I think it schould work well.
Fonic has the fastest internet connection in Germany.
It provides you 3.6 Mbit hsdpa, if there is t-mobile reception.
Otherwise you have normal hsdpa(384kbit) with o2 net.
one mb costs 24 cent but the timing is 100kb.
so you have to pay the whole 100kb you enterd...
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Really? Fonic used the T-mobile reception? I though it only used o2.
But in general it's good to hear that it can provide a fast connection.
As far as charging me for every 100KB - yeah, that's not the best, but at 2,4 cents per 100KB it wouldn't bother me too much - especially if I get good speeds.
Oh - by the way - your English is pretty much perfect - so no worries there. Du hättest auch auf deutsch schreiben können, aber dann hätten die meisten hier kaum etwas verstanden.
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Blau provides only Umts speed 384kbit because using the Eplus carrier. Simyo the same.
Fonic is ok, but they are on the O2 carrier and therefore no O2 means no HSDPA. The daily flat 2,50€ is more interesting than the 100kb rates.
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Yes, that daily 2,50€ is more interesting than the 100KB rates. I assume that is on a "per-daily-use" basis. So I only pay for days that I go online. The thing is that I don't know how much traffic you use on a simple casual internet surf. Paying 2,50€ would be the same as about 10 MB of use at 2,4 cents per 100KB. So, can you easily surf 10 MB? I don't know. Maybe you guys have some input on that.
And here are a couple of questions.
Does the weather application on the HD use the internet to update itself? Does it do it automatically? How often does it do it? How much data does it transfer to do it?
Because if the weather app uses internet data transfer, then I assume that the moment it updates itself (every day) you would be charged the 2,50€ for the day (if you choose that plan instead of the normal 100KB rate).
Thank you BOTH so much for your input. It helps a lot to read what you have to say about this. My HD should be arriving this coming week.

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And here are a couple of questions.
Does the weather application on the HD use the internet to update itself? Does it do it automatically? How often does it do it? How much data does it transfer to do it?
Because if the weather app uses internet data transfer, then I assume that the moment it updates itself (every day) you would be charged the 2,50€ for the day (if you choose that plan instead of the normal 100KB rate).
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You can control how the weather application updates. You can set it to manual, so you can control when it goes online, but standard is automatic, so beware the first time you switch to the weather tab, it will connect to the internet. And yes, it uses an internet connection, so you will be charged if you're not connected via ActiveSync or WLAN.
I found that the weather app does not transfer much data, just around 1-2 kb with each update depending on how many cities you have set up.
Regards
K_Hismoom

K_Hismoom said:
You can control how the weather application updates. You can set it to manual, so you can control when it goes online, but standard is automatic, so beware the first time you switch to the weather tab, it will connect to the internet. And yes, it uses an internet connection, so you will be charged if you're not connected via ActiveSync or WLAN.
I found that the weather app does not transfer much data, just around 1-2 kb with each update depending on how many cities you have set up.
Regards
K_Hismoom
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Thank you!! Good to know that!