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I am pretty much dissapointed with the pictures I have obtained with my Universal's built in camera.
Sometimes - most of the times - dont really beleive it is a 1.3 MPixels cam.
So,
1. Do you think using another software to take pictures would improve performance/quality?
2. It is possible to use another software to manage the camera?
3. Maybe, it's just me not being able to use it properly. Any advice to get good quality pictures?
have you checked the pictures on your pc?
i thought this until i looked on the pc and they were actually pretty impressive, dont be fooled my the on screen preview after youve taken a pic
yes... checked them out on a PC.. but no good quality. The problem is that if you're taking good quality pictures.. the it must be me.. :?
Anyway I recon that good pictures can be obtained under good conditions (light, etc.), but indoors... no way, at least for me.
i've seen on my HTC wizard that in the registery the camera can be edited things like bitrate too, havent tried it yet.
Ive gone from a D500 to this. Both 1.3 megapixel cameras, but the images from the samsung are far larger and far better quality. The images I get from my XDA are terrible.
maybe -hope so - it's just the software.
Could the camera be used with another soft? maybe from another WM5 device.
HTC has used extremely cheap and low quality camera sensors :-( Theres not much you can expect from its camera....so i guess its wise to accept the fact and move on :S
There are tons of dead pixels, and fails to reproduce the colors accurately...its just a "i have a cam on my phone too" feature, and nothing of any practical use!
cheerio
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its enough to get the point across say car accident , for insurance or the poice, it would be enough to convince surlly.
Took some pictures yesterday for first time on Universal, on top of a hospital roof, sun shining.
So as normally happens in those situations you can not see what you are taking properly due to the screen contrast etc. in the sun. ( same on all camera phones I have had )
Just used the standard settings, didnt change anything, have just downloaded them onto the PC and I am quite impressed with the quality.
On par if not better than some of the camera phones I have had in the past.
Just checked settings and I was on 640 x 480 capture size and ambience auto.
So for me a thumbs up to the quality from a camera phone.
share one of those beautiful pics...
wanna check if it's just me..
Perhaps a silly question - but have you made sure your camera settings are at 2M (1200x1600) to take your photos. The exec defaults to a much smaller size.
cheers
hehe, yes.. thanks.
I'm just saying that quality doesnt fit in in a 1.3 Mpixels camera, my POV.
The camera is useless imho. sometimes its good to catch stupid pics of people who have parked terribly or funny signs on petrol station doors but all in all they would have been best just leaving it out.
The only solution is to get a decent camera.
JAmes
I'm an amateur photographer (with the lovely Nikon D50), and no doubt the Universal's picture quality is not very good. However, I see it as a bonus add-on for the Universal rather than a proper feature. Say, I don't carry the Nikon D50 into my lessons at school all the time (until recently, when we had our very last lessons at school for the rest of my life!); with the Universal I was able to quickly take pictures of my classmates sleeping in our maths lessons or film our chemistry teacher burning jelly babies (they literally scream and burn when they react with some solution!).
Anyway, my conclusion is that the camera on the Universal is good for quick snaps, but not good for family portraits. :wink:
PS: HTC, come on, you call yourselves "High Tech Computer Corporation" and you can't even manage a tiny camera?
Whilst on the topic, yesterday I tried to take pictures of a beautiful wheat field in the sun, but the picture I got was just a very dark image, no matter where the sun was relative to the lens. Changing the settings to "Sunlight" or "Automatic" did not help either.
Very disappointed, and you don't often get this lovely weather in the UK!
To the OP, there's no easy way to say it: the camera is crap, like 99.99% of all mobile phone cameras. The CCD they use are cheap as dirt, and unless you're experiencing optimum conditions (such as bright, bright sunshine outdoors), there's no way you'll ever take any decent pic with this phone regardless of the software.
Glad I could clear that up! :twisted:
It does not seem that bad to me,
settings = 2M(1600x1280) and daylight
I have not resized the pic , so sorry if it runs off screen :wink:
This is just before my ride to Turkey and back from UK
Stu..
Bagmanstu:
Nice outfit!
mdaexecfan said:
there's no way you'll ever take any decent pic with this phone regardless of the software.
Glad I could clear that up! :twisted:
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Exactly - it's a phone/PDA with a free camera, not a camera with a phone/PDA... Miracles you will not get!
The quality is acceptable to me but getting the best result is sometimes difficult. My major problem the handling, choosing the right settings for the occasion is a bit awkward.
@Bagmanstu: Cool
I would like to start a project to make a better camera app.
In other posts there are people talking about the bad quality of the chip or the lens.
I think they are right about that, but I think the program itself could be better.
I think there is a lot of compression made in the program.
Now I'm not a programmer so that is my problem.
What I am interested about is to get a picture right from the chip. Without any compression and without any contrast, sharpness and brightness adjustment. Then we really know how bad the chip and lens are. After that we can try to adjust some things and look at compression.
Is there anybody crazy enough to create anything like this?
If it works we might be able to get real photos out of our Wizard
Feel free to react or correct me if I'm wrong
I really wouldn't put any effort into a handset-camera... they generally still suck (mostly). you can't get any quality when the source is bad... And the compression itself won't change too much here (I've ripped the cam out of my wizard, if you see that 8x8mm thing you *know* that can't be any good )
If you would rip the chip out of the new sony cydershop it wil also be a tiny 8X8mm chip.
It stil is a 1.3 Mpixel chip. I think the lens is our biggest problem.
making a nice contrastcurve could help a lot
yep, the lenseis one of the biggest problems... I should have mentioned, that the 8x8mm thing was the *complete* camera module, including lense of course the CCD in a "normal" digital camera isn't big either, but at least there's appropriate surroundings... but probably some work on the camera software could better the results...
You can get add on lenses not sure how good they are from the link below
http://mobile.brando.com.hk/MobileLensCombo2.php
or
http://modtown.co.uk/mt/review2.php?id=amacroxlens
if you try them let us know how they work
Rob
Hi guys. I was thinking about the camera of the ipaq 614c - it sucks. But is it the camera hardware or just the software. My gues is the software. I have tried Cool camera and the barcode recognition software Barcorama. It seems they both capture images from the camera and none of the blurry and distorted "effects" are present. The only problem is that Cool Camera doesn't work properly with the ipaq and the image is always rotated 90 degrees and shrinked
so it's no use for now. My question is : Is there a newer (and probably better) version of the Arc Soft camera software. As you know, they don't sell it as a separate piece of software - they sell it to manufactures to implement it into roms. I saw there are new versions that support image stabilization, smile detection and so on. Is there any phone that has that superior software and would it work with the ipaq camera.
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Hi guys. I was thinking about the camera of the ipaq 614c - it sucks. But is it the camera hardware or just the software. My gues is the software. I have tried Cool camera and the barcode recognition software Barcorama. It seems they both capture images from the camera and none of the blurry and distorted "effects" are present. The only problem is that Cool Camera doesn't work properly with the ipaq and the image is always rotated 90 degrees and shrinked
so it's no use for now. My question is : Is there a newer (and probably better) version of the Arc Soft camera software. As you know, they don't sell it as a separate piece of software - they sell it to manufactures to implement it into roms. I saw there are new versions that support image stabilization, smile detection and so on. Is there any phone that has that superior software and would it work with the ipaq camera.
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Nope, it's the hardware that sucks. No matter what soft u throw at it, u won't get better images. It's the lens that's in no relation with the CMOS-chip
Dirk
Are you sure
Yes, technically speaking, this is what causes most of the cameras to suck.
Lens aberation and so on. BUT.
I have some experience in photography and physics and the things i see here are not due to the lens (at least not only)
If you have noticed that some of the images get distorted in a strange way (something like a photoshop filter "twirl") - that's not the lens, as it happens only from time to time on some photos. I must say that blutty and coloured images on the edges are probably because of the lens, but the other things are due to poor software. I have taken images with still hands and they sometimes come out very well. But when you move even a little - the photo is blurry as hell.
So, if someone has an idea of an alternative camera App that might work, i'm willing to help with whatever I can - say can we make Cool camera work on the ipaq, or some other camera application extracted from another phone.
axlastro said:
Yes, technically speaking, this is what causes most of the cameras to suck.
Lens aberation and so on. BUT.
I have some experience in photography and physics and the things i see here are not due to the lens (at least not only)
If you have noticed that some of the images get distorted in a strange way (something like a photoshop filter "twirl") - that's not the lens, as it happens only from time to time on some photos. I must say that blutty and coloured images on the edges are probably because of the lens, but the other things are due to poor software. I have taken images with still hands and they sometimes come out very well. But when you move even a little - the photo is blurry as hell.
So, if someone has an idea of an alternative camera App that might work, i'm willing to help with whatever I can - say can we make Cool camera work on the ipaq, or some other camera application extracted from another phone.
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Hi,
Yes, i'm sure ... As u say urself, even moving a little makes the pic blurry. In fact it's almost impossible to have a 'rocksteady' hand, cos of the relative high power u need to press the button. And again ; the lens is much to close on the chip and much to sharply bent to give good images. Just take a pic and look at it. U'll see that the sides are showing almost everything on the left or right from u. Looks like HP built a combined 28-35mm lens on 4mm²...
It's even better viewable when u take panoramapics ... then u get a kind of 'ondulated' result.
The only real solution would be : removing the lens and put something more apropriate in....
Dirk
Well that's an argument I wouldn't disagree with. I have noticed that "fish eye" effect in panoramic shots and the built-it blur effect on the edges of the image.
That's it - the camera is on par with an old 1.3Mpx siemens M75 and a lot suckier than the fixed focus cameras in samsung i600 and motorola Q9. Can't they learn it's not about the megapixels. Oh wait, they know it, but your average custumer doesn't. Whatever. Hp - never again dor a lot more reasons than the camera, which i actually don't use that much, but still...
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Well that's an argument I wouldn't disagree with. I have noticed that "fish eye" effect in panoramic shots and the built-it blur effect on the edges of the image.
That's it - the camera is on par with an old 1.3Mpx siemens M75 and a lot suckier than the fixed focus cameras in samsung i600 and motorola Q9. Can't they learn it's not about the megapixels. Oh wait, they know it, but your average custumer doesn't. Whatever. Hp - never again dor a lot more reasons than the camera, which i actually don't use that much, but still...
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Right, you got it Even more surprising is the fact that HP has the techno for building decent pictureboxes (i have one ), but it seems impossible to use that technology to put a decent cam in a phone. Might be cos of the size ? The smaller you have it, the worse gets the pics... bottomline : phones are not pictureboxes, and will never be.
Dirk
Speaking of the camera i have only 1 question ( dumb ) ...how do you zoom ? Haven't found this option !
you can only zoom when you are not in max resolution (3M), change to lower and you can zoom, the zoom slider is on the left side and you can use keypad (6 & 4) to control too
Maybe i'm missing basic photo knowledge but, the bigger the resolution ,smaller the zoom ?
at least that's how the ipaq work, i have no idea about the reason but then you don't really expect it can zoom much since then lens can't really move much like a real camera anyway
keyx said:
at least that's how the ipaq work, i have no idea about the reason but then you don't really expect it can zoom much since then lens can't really move much like a real camera anyway
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Hi,
It's an electonic zoom, nothing to do with the lens. If you want to 'zoom' the software uses an alogorithm to recalculate the picture and display the 'center' part of it as larger (zoomed). Gives nice distortions too
Dirk
as I definitely won't use my camera, do you know a program that can use the led of the camera as a flash light and that works on 614C ?
I tried nuelight and torchbutton but none of them work on this device ...
hi all this tweak will allow the camera to save images at a less compressed jpeg rate, meaning that the image is sharper and more detailed, the image increasement has been noted though out the tread my many people to be a huge improvement, i also thing my mod works well and with it you can get soem very detailed sharp images, their are a few ways to install the mod and also a few camera settings you can use to get the best possible piture from ur hd2 after installing this mod, please read below for all info you may need to get the best out of ur device
INSTALATION only need to do one of these three.
1) edit the registry ur self and replace the values like below.
HKLM\software\htc\camera\image\jpegquaity\superfine
replace the 5Msize = 643628 value with 746028
2) install the cab "HD2 746028 SuperFine Camera Tweak" a friend created from bottom of post it only does what the above reg tweak does nothing else is changed
3) install BsB Tweaks 1.5, y registry mode is now included with this tweak app which i might add i think is a must for the hd2
BEFORE AND AFTER SHOTS FROM ME AND OTEHRS ON THIS THREAD
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5157324&postcount=107
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5135805&postcount=55
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5135911&postcount=56
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5130666&postcount=3
SOME RANDOM SHOTS AFTER MODE
superfine, average focus, 5mp + with quality tweak
superfine, center area focus, 5mp + with quality tweak
Have you tried it? Just being present in the registry doesn't mean it will be always working.
5Msize = 643628
8Msize = 746028
these are the default valuses im trying this now
test1
5Msize = 746028
8Msize = 746028
ok here test1 results:-
autoWB / 5mp / superfine / noflash
---before---/---after----
indoorWB / 5mp / superfine / noflash
---before---/---after----
both the after shows are sharper and more detailed i think you will agree
picture MB size before / after are also different, so this must mean its made a difference to the picture quality or they would be around the same
pictures at default values are 1.14mb and after their both 1.30mb
Be careful, this could just as easily mean interpolation of your image up to whatever specs you define.
Most probably this simply means that the camera software is capable of working with higher resolution hardware.
I'm not a camera expert
I'm no camera expert, but wouldn't you all agree that there is improvement with the photos when comparing the 5M with the 8M shots. Zooming in on either photo, the images are less blurred and are sharper. And if it were just a software that was being limited by the hardware, then how do you explain the 200kb increase in the data size of the photos. If the camera were only able to support 5 megapixels, then after doing that registry change for higher res shots, wouldn't the images stay the same size?
Actually, after some though, it does look like the improvement isn't enough to make it match 8MP quality, but it does seem to be the case that after doing the tweak within the software to make 8M shots, that it pushed the camera hardware to its absolute maximum performance, slightly improving the quality of the images. So, even though it's not 8-Megapixels, its still an effective method for improving the picture quality even more, right?
DAMIEN123_666 said:
5Msize = 643628
8Msize = 746028
both the after shows are sharper and more detailed i think you will agree
picture MB size before / after are also different, so this must mean its made a difference to the picture quality or they would be around the same
pictures at default values are 1.14mb and after their moth 1.30mb
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What's with the pink hue in the pictures? Didn't you apply the hotfix ?
What's with the pink hue in the pictures? Didn't you apply the hotfix ?
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yes but like most others in fake light, house halogon bulbs the pink is still their but just not as bad, also in day light it seem almost gone
conyeje2 said:
I'm no camera expert, but wouldn't you all agree that there is improvement with the photos when comparing the 5M with the 8M shots. Zooming in on either photo, the images are less blurred and are sharper. And if it were just a software that was being limited by the hardware, then how do you explain the 200kb increase in the data size of the photos. If the camera were only able to support 5 megapixels, then after doing that registry change for higher res shots, wouldn't the images stay the same size?
Actually, after some though, it does look like the improvement isn't enough to make it match 8MP quality, but it does seem to be the case that after doing the tweak within the software to make 8M shots, that it pushed the camera hardware to its absolute maximum performance, slightly improving the quality of the images. So, even though it's not 8-Megapixels, its still an effective method for improving the picture quality even more, right?
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well id say increasing this must make a difference seen as the values for the 5mpixels are different for the quality u select in the camera app, i.e. under basic/normal/fine/superfine @ the 5msize setting in the reg are all different their approx 85000 higher per each setting,
here another photo their seems to be a good difference look at the black key ring and serial on £5
so... don't You think that megapixel count may be determined by physical aspects like 5mp matrix beeing used? why would the manufacturer want to sell it as a 5mp if it's really 8? it's like digging for tv-out on xperia only because someone found some **** in the registry.
jeeez... I hope You'll get great results and fame for this discovery. seriously.
bronx said:
so... don't You think that megapixel count may be determined by physical aspects like 5mp matrix beeing used? why would the manufacturer want to sell it as a 5mp if it's really 8? it's like digging for tv-out on xperia only because someone found some **** in the registry.
jeeez... I hope You'll get great results and fame for this discovery. seriously.
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i agree with you , however Asus P750 is sold with a hardware VGA screen that runs in QVGA mode... so i guess manufacturers have their own logic...
bronx said:
so... don't You think that megapixel count may be determined by physical aspects like 5mp matrix beeing used? why would the manufacturer want to sell it as a 5mp if it's really 8? it's like digging for tv-out on xperia only because someone found some **** in the registry.
jeeez... I hope You'll get great results and fame for this discovery. seriously.
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i dont think its a mpixel thing now it seems to be the overall quality of the pic, ill explain
the reg files say this for the 5mp in camera setting.....
quality modes:-
basic = 403599
nomral = 468660
fine = 556226
superfine =643628
so maybe this determines the image quality and the htc software is the thing that will support the 8pm not the hardware
ok when i increase the superfine amount x8 my total spacve to take pics drops **** loads, with no tweak i can take 2618pics with the x8 tweak it says i have space for 720pics
ok, so if it's not the hardware, then picture must be interpolated to reach the higher mp count. is there anyone reading this with some more techie knowledge? is it total bull, or just tiny little bullie sh... where are these extra pixels coming from? milions of pixels to be precise...
It seems for increasing the sharpness of the image.
In good lighting it may have better results.
But, in such case, in low lighting conditions it may show more grains/colored pixels.
If it happens so, it will confirm the fact.
I think the better photos are just more sharp and I mean a software sharpening. So I assume it's just the way the HTC software processes the photos to result in smaller files. Kind of a trade-off between sharpness and file size and yes applying software sharpening does increase the file size because of the way JPEG works. The difference is definitely not on par with a 3 million pixel improvement.
For whatever is is worth, and while I agree that if the HD2 had an 8mpx camera HTC would most likely have marketed it as such, the original Nikon D1 camera, when it first came out, was sold as a 2.7mpx camera when in fact the sensor had exactly twice as many pixels. However they chose to bin them together to increase its sensitivity... not saying that this is what is happening here, but just that there have been precedents of manufacturers decreasing the pixel count of their sensors.
The cam may be 8MP, but unless the mod makes the images physically larger in pixel number then its not changing the resolution, its just lowering the compression. That will increase quality on its own. Indeed the pics after the mod are still 5MP, just less compressed. You can set the number to almost anything you like, i set it to 800000 and it works fine. Try higher numbers and see if the quality improves more.
Ok i was very interested in this, so i applied the tweek and took a shot.
Wow it does look better, take a look at this.
Is there a way to enable the 8MP option in the camera menu so that we can select it, this is by far the best pic this phone has taken for me, i dont care what it does and how it does it, but good find.
It works for any number pretty much. Might go wild and try 10Million (from the original 750,000 or so).
I think the 8MP is just a legacy setting, possibly they tried 8MP units in early production samples, but went for 5MP in the end. The registry settings were just not removed.
How interesting. I wonder whats going on....?
Hello,
YES!, YES!, I know I'm noob....my first post yeah...OK to the question, when I take pictures using my HD2, and send them to my computer, the pictures don't like as neat and high def as the samples on the phone. I was just wondering if there is way to make it at least a bit more crisp and decent looking than the poor quality and blurness that i get now. The resolution is set to the highest..contrast normal, etc..ANY TIPS...Thank you...
get your hands on BsB Tweaks. Simple .cab install. It has a few options for 'hidden' settings for the camera and camcorder.
I'll do thanks...will that me it sharper??
Honestly I've not done a lot of comparisons, but it does add a SUPERFINE option to the camera, so that has to be worth something!
Finehood, what's the highest resolution setting you see in your camera menu? There should be a 5MP (2592x1552) setting available on there...it's on the second page of resolution options so make sure you didn't miss that.
If you don't see it there, then the BsB option jimbonics mentioned will add that in addition to the "superfine" mode. It also adds a couple of other modes you might like, so it's worth checking out. If you can't or won't use BsB, then they're available as just a regular cab too.
thanks...guys..
thank you guys....and yes I do have it in 5mp, but still the quality looks awful, but I'll be getting the bsb tweak...that sounds like it might fix my problems..any other suggestion is welcome!!!!THANK YOU
finehood said:
thank you guys....and yes I do have it in 5mp, but still the quality looks awful, but I'll be getting the bsb tweak...that sounds like it might fix my problems..any other suggestion is welcome!!!!THANK YOU
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Check out these other tips too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7229727&postcount=2
(the last one on that list is what we've already suggested above)
thanks again...
good tips...I'll keep you guys post it if it gets better!!
Are you having a lot of noise problems ? Unfortunately that's not going to go away. If you're expecting some quality pictures like what a real camera would take you'll be quite disappointed . I've tried tweaking it myself left and right and every which way possible. I've seen some sample pictures from the EVO and even with it's 8MP cam it does not look a whole lot better.
good to know..
actually, u know what..i kind of knew that it would never be close to a regular picture cam, but with the high megapixels at least i was expecting something decent...but thank you...I did the bsb tweaks and got a bit better...the hidden tricks are all right...thanks everyone..
the fact is HD2 cam is poorer than HD's. I have both devices, HD in default (auto) settings takes very well pix, and HD2 (even after tweaks) takes puctures "ugly". The overall temperature of the shot is in grey tones domination, while HD take very realistic, closer to simple digicams. If anybody has an answers, please comment. Would be great if we will be able to take pix even just HD does.
When you take a picture and look at it from your computer is the size of the picture the same as the HD2's screen?
I'll usually just right click on the picture and send it to paint, click on image, then stretch/skew function. I'll reduce it to at least 50% / 50% and work my way down from there. That usually increases the image quality for me. I don't need a picture the size of three of my computer screens. Hope it helps.
When in doubt my friend photoshop is your friend
right...
photoshop will do the fixing for us....jiji...but like i said before i was just wondering if there was a way to make it better...like a tweak or a .cab, etc. bsb is not bad, but it doen't make the image any better in quality...but good tweak really good tweaks..
finehood said:
photoshop will do the fixing for us....jiji...but like i said before i was just wondering if there was a way to make it better...like a tweak or a .cab, etc. bsb is not bad, but it doen't make the image any better in quality...but good tweak really good tweaks..
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What we have here folks is a hardware problem not a software problem. Well actually a little bit of both . All the software tweaks out there does help a bit compared to the stock camera but that's as far as your going to get. Software can only do so much and there isn't a magical software solution when you are coupled with a lousy quality camera lens. The fact is HTC has probably cheapened out the quality of the camera lens compared to earlier phones but regardless the HD2 is a phone first not a camera. Short of replacing the whole lens there's very little software can do when the hardware isn't up to par.
I've had my HD2 since June 30th and believe me this thing takes MUCH BETTER pics than my Blackberry Bold 9700 did at 3.2MP and that phone took some really nice pictures.
I think it depends on the environment your in at the time. I took a few close up pics of my Wife and kids and those images came out beautiful. I also took some scenery shots in landscape and those images came out awsome as well. I took some pics inside the Tennessee Aquarium and had mixed results. As long as the lighting was good the images came out great. In darker settings the images were not as sharp.
I do use BsB Tweeks and I also have my resolution set to 5MP. I'm not sure why your camera is producing such awful images but I'm very pleased with mine.
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I do use BsB Tweeks and I also have my resolution set to 5MP. I'm not sure why your camera is producing such awful images but I'm very pleased with mine.
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Is it awful? He never posted any samples of his pictures. Are you really pleased because I'm not. How good the pictures actually look to an individual are highly subjective. I would hardly consider the pictures I've taken pleasing but I'm just going to have to settle.
I think the problem here is that finehood is really picky and had high expectations. I'm assuming what he had in mind were quality pictures closer to that of a real camera.
Sounds like user error to me. Try wiping your lens before taking pics. . My HD2 takes great pics.
Pop...
Take a picture at max resolution. Then copy that picture over to your pc. View that picture at 100%. You'll see it looks like ass.
hey guys...
i was reading some of the posts, and it makes sense, believe me I never got the wild idea of a phone cam being equal or better quality than a normal cam... but even with the 5 mp and the tweaks and considering light issues or environment surrounding your pics is not even close to a decent quality that's all I'm saying, the pictures look BEAUTIFUL on your phone, really neat and crisp, once you transfer your pics to a computer and see it in full scale you'll know what I'm talking about...blurriness, blur edges, sometimes pixelete images mainly in the face, I'm happy with the phone....and all it does, but I WAS JUST WONDERING if there was a way to make it a bit better...BSB Tweaks did some adjustments...thanks for the feedback guys, I'll be posting some pics shortly..so you guys get the idea....