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Midlet & Java...?

OK Chaps..(and any Chapesses..of course. :wink: )
Whilst accsessing the web, I noticed that any JAVA appletts I came across didnt work........
I gather this is somthing to do with downloading some .jab, .jar files, / midlet suite into the Midlet manager.........
Where do I find such beasts........
(Looked at Midlet.com. but didn't see the XDA listed...or am I just being stupid?)
Many thanks
Steve.

A lot of confusion goes on with Java. The XDAII does not support full Java, i.e. embedded Java applets in web pages, or Java applications.
It does support a flavour of ECMAScript, called JScript, for scripting simple things on web pages - this is often confused with Java because Netscape called the original scripting language JavaScript. Apart from a similarity in syntax, it has very little to do with "real" Java.
However with the latest ROM update from O2, you get Midlet Manager which can run standalone applications using a particular cut-down version of "real" Java called J2ME (java 2 micro edition; with MIDP - mobile information device profiles) . These are generally called midlets, and are normally packaged as jar or jad files.
There are two problems here -
Hardware: these applications are usually written for mobile phones with a keypad, which the XDA lacks and midlet manager doesn't simulate, so many of the midlets are just not usuable; mobile phones have teeny weeny screens, and of course the XDA has a nice big one, so midlets generally will look awful.
Software: Because mobile phones are pretty low spec compared to our glorious XDAs, midlets are generally pathetic comared with real pocketPC applications.
If you want to try some midlets, just to see how pointless they are, there are a lot of free ones at www.midlet.org
If you want to run full Java on the XDA, you can purchase a proper JVM. I beleive Jeode runs OK, but it is $50.
There's also Waba, which is a free, similarly cut-down java variant, that is a good alternative to J2ME; and IBM Websphere Micro Edition, that is a cheap alternative full J2ME.
I've heard that the NetFront alternative browser has a companion JVM for applets, so this might be your best bet if you want to run Java Applets in web pages.

Cheers.!!!

Midlet Manager
cant be downloaded from anywhere can it
is it comercial and only in roms like the new o2 one ?

Yeah, it's one of those products that the vendor only licenses to OEMs. I suppose you could get somebody to send you the cab from the extended rom and see if it'll install.

Universal - Any Java Plugin available?

Hi!
Since PIE does not support java on java sites is there any plugin availabe currently short of using another browser?
Thanks

FOSA said:
Hi!
Since PIE does not support java on java sites is there any plugin availabe currently short of using another browser?
Thanks
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Yup,
Check the Macromedia site for the Flash plugin. Is also available on this site. Good luck.

what about a java plugin for the PIE so i can use hushmail.?

ftp://xda:[email protected]/Uploads/Java/JeodeForPocketPC.exe
It's a Java JVM for Pocket Internet Explorer.

sweet ill let people know if it works with hushmail

plugin fails to load.. i have no clue whats wrong with it.

Just installed it on my Qtek 9000... works fine with Buzztime (www.buzztime.com) in Internet Explorer Mobile.

RE
Hi BeyondtheTech,
I can access buzztime too
Whats there in buzztime that separates the difference between having java and no java installed?
Any other java-enabled sites that can be tested out which cannot be tested by no java installed?
Thanks

The Buzztime games are Java-enabled internet-multiplayer games. I don't know about other Java sites, though.

RE
Hi BeyondtheTech,
Few questions on Jeode for PPC
1) Does it supports WM5?
2) After installing, can internet banking sites be accessed from the PPC? I was informed that because Jeode for PPC does not have security features, hence, banking sites cannot be accessed ie. login in
3) If no, is there any way that internat banking sites can be accessed from the PPC?
Thanks

i can get in desertschools.org and bofa.com

i can access HSBC Banking from my PPC anyway - althought i dont think thats JAVA.
I do have problems playing games that are made with Visual Basic though - gonna look for a plugin/install now
p.s Using a O2 Exec WM5

java on tytn

hello,
a small Q, I'm trying to get Google earth to work on my new tytn but im missing the java plug-in, any one got a clue which java plug-in will fit the tytn (if at all)?
thanks!

Google earth
danidin said:
hello,
a small Q, I'm trying to get Google earth to work on my new tytn but im missing the java plug-in, any one got a clue which java plug-in will fit the tytn (if at all)?
thanks!
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Are you talking about Virtual Earth Mobile cos this is brilliant. I used to use a version that required a java plug in but I reckon this is better excellent in fact.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4439.html
This gives a cab file so dead easy to install.
Mike

Java version
Danidin
Sorry if I was a little dismissive re Java version, and as I'm feeling guilty, here's a link that will help if you really want to pursue the Java, Jar, Jad, Midlet thingy route.
Note "Google Local Mobile got renamed to Google Mobile Maps (gmm) and the main Java class is now called GoogleNav."
http://jeepx.blogspot.com/2005/12/google-local-mobile.html
Mike

Also some more info on Java on PDAs here:
http://blog.vikdavid.com/2004/12/java_on_pocketp.html
I use the IBM J9 java emulator. Works well.
BTW You might like to have a look at MG Maps:
http://www.mgmaps.com/
It can access Google Maps, Google Satellite, MSN Road Map, MSN Aerial, MSN Aerial with labels, Yahoo Maps, Yahoo Satellite, Ask.com Maps and Ask.com Aerial. It's GPS aware (although this doesn't seem to work with my BT GPS) and can access KML overlays (although I haven't tried this out yet.)
Very nice.

totallytechie said:
Also some more info on Java on PDAs here:
http://blog.vikdavid.com/2004/12/java_on_pocketp.html
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Please also note that my PPCMag Expert Blog has a LOT of additional Java-related tips and tricks. I'm constantly reporting on the latest developments in the PPC-related Java questions. Make sure you check out all the three Java-related categories in my blog at http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3

thanks guys! a lot of info to dive in, great!

People still use java??? I haven't used java on my phone since I last had a SonyEricsson! I haven't bothered with Java on WM phones.

java and flash are the future of mobiles, they just haven't realized it yet (aside from Japan ) and ajax...

I think the original poster was referring to javascript, not real java code. A lot of Banks and online sites us javascript and it used to be a big problem with ce and wm2002 and wm 2003. WM5 seems to handle some of the basic javascript and then there are several apps for addon such as IBM's j9 or websphere or what ever the name is this year. Also, midlet's are becoming more available

darky said:
java and flash are the future of mobiles
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You mean JavaScript? Very few pages use client-side Java and I don't think this will change.

eagle 1 said:
I think the original poster was referring to javascript, not real java code.
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Nope, Google Earth is Midlet-based; see my Midlet & Google Earth -related articles.

Is there any way you can get a pluggin that makes java midlets (J2ME) Work any better? The ammount of midlets that install and then just do nothing is appaling? Sony Ericcsons and Nokia's have multiplayer Bluetooth Midlets that work on either device, why not on ours?? Also one in particular is REPORO (Awesome Program) They have a midlet specifically made for the Wizzard wchic works fine on the Tytn but I have found it is massively cut down! On a Nokia or Sony Ericsson or Motorola (I work in a phone shop so have everything readily available) They can all access the phones contact book and Pictures and Camera so you can send free picture messages to other REPORO users! Now Ive installed all the other brands versions onto my VARIO and they all install fine but then they dont run and crash my phone! Can I get an emulator or a pluggin to fix this?
www.REPORO.com
(Awesome if only for the live football results)
Chat rooms
Free Texts
Free Picture Messages
MSN, YAHOO, AIM, Google Messenger!
Shopping
News
Horrorscopes
And the list keeps getting bigger! Awesome software!! (MAke sure you select the O2 XDA MINI S as your device as its the only Wizzard derivative on there.

Install the J9 VM like others have mentioned.
Oh, and remember: "Write Once, Run Anywhere"...HA!!

pieplus and java supported browsers

Anyone know if pieplus can access website with java scripts? Or is there something I can add to the IE to make it work on website with java scripts imbedded into them?
I tried the opera browser and it does load java script but I don't like how it strip everything ie the font size or re-arrange the text on the browser so I would prefer using IE browser or any browser simlar to IE look and feel.
Any recommandations?
Thanks
Bill

Found Netfront 3.3 tonight and played with the trial version but it states does not have java support in trial however it seem not to be css style sheet supported.
Can anyone using Netfront tell me how the java works on it and is there a setting to force it to use css from website?
So far it look like i am stuck with Opera unless there more out there to try.
Bill

Please do follow my Web browsing-related articles, I've answered all these questions you've asked. They're available in both the General forum here and on my blog.

java (needed if possible)

I have just got hold of a t-mobile Ameo (funny when screen starts is states on the top - test only not for sale
oh well i bought it in good faith from ebay.
Question
when i tried to use a cam site it will not run because it needs Java, i have a copy of java that i put on my main PC running IE
will this version work on this machine
if not
can someone please send me a link to download a vesion for win5 mobile.
thanks for reading, and i did a search but could not find an answer.
Peter

I too have been hoping to have this. Unfortunately I don't think it exist yet on on the WM5 platform. I have so many websites that I wish I would access using our device but just have to go back to my desktop. An example of such a website would be www.fxstreet.com where I want to look at the graphs of real time exchage rate movement. When directed to the Sun Microsystem's website for Java Update, it would simply says that they do not have a version that support my operating system platform. This problem is similar to not being able to directly play youtube movies on the website because their version of flash player is always newer than what is available on WM5 environment.

eaglesteve said:
I too have been hoping to have this. Unfortunately I don't think it exist yet on on the WM5 platform. I have so many websites that I wish I would access using our device but just have to go back to my desktop. An example of such a website would be www.fxstreet.com where I want to look at the graphs of real time exchage rate movement. When directed to the Sun Microsystem's website for Java Update, it would simply says that they do not have a version that support my operating system platform. This problem is similar to not being able to directly play youtube movies on the website because their version of flash player is always newer than what is available on WM5 environment.
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Oh thats a shame as i am really getting on with this ameo, you would think someone rather clever would have writen a java for wn5. still we will both have to wait i am sure there will be something one day.
thanks for your quite reply
Peter

guys there is a java midlet manager available....just search for it....it should be in the hermes forum...or search in my posts...having said that i dont think that you will be able to achive what you want to with it...what you need it a web browser with good java handling

Do you mean java in a website?
try netfront

fards said:
Do you mean java in a website?
try netfront
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Yes we mean java in a website, netfront ? is that a browser if so i dont suppose you can point to a free copy.
think i will do a search for netfront now if its a browser that handles java on websites i want it..
thanks for reply
Peter

pr1uk said:
Yes we mean java in a website, netfront ? is that a browser if so i dont suppose you can point to a free copy.
think i will do a search for netfront now if its a browser that handles java on websites i want it..
thanks for reply
Peter
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No it's not free, there is a free trial of 3.4 (which I haven't tried yet) I bought 3.3
http://www.access-company.com/products/netfrontmobile/browser/34_wm_tp.html

fards said:
No it's not free, there is a free trial of 3.4 (which I haven't tried yet) I bought 3.3
http://www.access-company.com/products/netfrontmobile/browser/34_wm_tp.html
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Thank you if Netforce works then i will seek it out
Cheers
Peter

java handling of netfront is as good as opera and only slightly better than PIE (BTW i am Talking About v3.3)

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java handling of netfront is as good as opera and only slightly better than PIE (BTW i am Talking About v3.3)
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.. and I think the trial version of NF 3.4 has java disabled.

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.. and I think the trial version of NF 3.4 has java disabled.
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Oh thats why when i downloaded a trail version of Netfront 3.4 even with the java boxes ticked "it did not work"..
well i just dont know now - why would they give you a trail version that does not work ?
cheers
Peter

pr1uk said:
Oh thats why when i downloaded a trail version of Netfront 3.4 even with the java boxes ticked "it did not work"..
well i just dont know now - why would they give you a trail version that does not work ?
cheers
Peter
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Because it`s actually a beta (not a trial - sorry, I ought to have used the right word). Java is an external application and I assume either they have to pay a licence fee for it or they know that it already works (hence doesn`t need to be in the beta).
it has been the same for each beta. There should be a trial of 3.3 which does include java.

apd said:
Because it`s actually a beta (not a trial - sorry, I ought to have used the right word). Java is an external application and I assume either they have to pay a licence fee for it or they know that it already works (hence doesn`t need to be in the beta).
it has been the same for each beta. There should be a trial of 3.3 which does include java.
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To be honest i get most sites down but i did a search for java based sites and found sites that would not work like (www.webcamnow.com) just to really test the system. Perhaps none of the current browsers will load such sites, am i asking too much from a small operating system.
Peter