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Midlet & Java...?

OK Chaps..(and any Chapesses..of course. :wink: )
Whilst accsessing the web, I noticed that any JAVA appletts I came across didnt work........
I gather this is somthing to do with downloading some .jab, .jar files, / midlet suite into the Midlet manager.........
Where do I find such beasts........
(Looked at Midlet.com. but didn't see the XDA listed...or am I just being stupid?)
Many thanks
Steve.

A lot of confusion goes on with Java. The XDAII does not support full Java, i.e. embedded Java applets in web pages, or Java applications.
It does support a flavour of ECMAScript, called JScript, for scripting simple things on web pages - this is often confused with Java because Netscape called the original scripting language JavaScript. Apart from a similarity in syntax, it has very little to do with "real" Java.
However with the latest ROM update from O2, you get Midlet Manager which can run standalone applications using a particular cut-down version of "real" Java called J2ME (java 2 micro edition; with MIDP - mobile information device profiles) . These are generally called midlets, and are normally packaged as jar or jad files.
There are two problems here -
Hardware: these applications are usually written for mobile phones with a keypad, which the XDA lacks and midlet manager doesn't simulate, so many of the midlets are just not usuable; mobile phones have teeny weeny screens, and of course the XDA has a nice big one, so midlets generally will look awful.
Software: Because mobile phones are pretty low spec compared to our glorious XDAs, midlets are generally pathetic comared with real pocketPC applications.
If you want to try some midlets, just to see how pointless they are, there are a lot of free ones at www.midlet.org
If you want to run full Java on the XDA, you can purchase a proper JVM. I beleive Jeode runs OK, but it is $50.
There's also Waba, which is a free, similarly cut-down java variant, that is a good alternative to J2ME; and IBM Websphere Micro Edition, that is a cheap alternative full J2ME.
I've heard that the NetFront alternative browser has a companion JVM for applets, so this might be your best bet if you want to run Java Applets in web pages.

Cheers.!!!

Midlet Manager
cant be downloaded from anywhere can it
is it comercial and only in roms like the new o2 one ?

Yeah, it's one of those products that the vendor only licenses to OEMs. I suppose you could get somebody to send you the cab from the extended rom and see if it'll install.

Does anyone know an alternative to Terminal Services Client?

Hey there, now that I've got my shiney new XDA Exec, with its VGA Screen and inbuilt Wi-fi I want to have a play with the Terminal Services Client to control my PC...I'm pretty sure that's what it can be used for right?
Well anyway from what I've read TSC can connect to (among other things) Win XP Pro computers with remote desktop enabled...however my computer only has XP Home so I can't do this, so can anyone recommend an alternative (possibly better?) program that I can use to control my XP Home PC using my XDA Exec....
cheers!

VNC (free)
GoToMyPC (not free)
There is more information in the "terminal services full screen" thread in this forum.

I have been using GoToMyPC for a long time. It's a subscription-based service. But I am happy with it. Very stable and functional. And full-screen.

prob with those apps is, terminal services connects to all modern windows operating systems and no extra software is needed, im not running round the country installing vnc onto everything, if its already got RDC/Terminal Services intergrated. On my work network i have access to 36k+ machines, yer 36,000 machines. all 2000,XP,2003, the other 30k machines are still NT or 98, upgrades aint a overnight thing!!!
so you see, not an option im afraid
*edit* what really grinds me is that i would have thought it was obvious to M$ that fullscreen should be an option, but as with the diabolical MSNM, the most obvious upgrades never appear, surlly in that groups aint a hard thing to do. and turn the bloody beeping off when ppl sign in.
Obvious things strategicly lost??

use www.logmein.com man its freakin great and you can use for free
if you put your device in landscape it is a clean view too

z2remote2pc works a little better than logmein, I think. A little more control of the desktop with z2. LogMeIn is nice though.

but do these apps use the RDC protocol ? i cannot amend 30k+ machines just to do remote desktop, it has to be compatible else its pretty useless to me soz

Carnivor, I presume your request is satisfied?
Why on earth 30,000 machines? Heyzus!
What PDA are you using?
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30k machines is roughly the number of client machines the company i work for has. i have access to them all via TS, not that i need them all, i mainly access a handful of desktops that are mine, and the clients servers.
its quite handy to be able to wifi my desktop in the room next door when im standing at a rack in the server room as there is nothing but racks in there and an additional desktop in there would get easilly spotted.
im on a Jasjar btw, happy to test your app wink wink**
and i have VS 2005, is it poss for a 2003 project to be loaded into VS 2005 and compiled??? if you aint got it yet its a possibility
ps, ohh yes, im satisified, its what should have been done on theyre attempt ( M$ )

Carnivor - I have Visual Studio 2005 Beta 2. I'm waiting on RC1 because the tools I use in Beta 2 don't work properly on the WM5 emulator. As soon as I get a new version of VS2005, I'll sort through the WM5 issues and bang out a preliminary version for you guys to try.
The current version should still work nicely even on Wm5, but only in Portrait QVGA. However, a full landscape VGA version should follow soonish.
If you've got a spare VGA PDA, send it my way! I'm desperate :wink:
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Microsoft Visual Studio 2005
Version 8.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
Microsoft .NET Framework
Version 2.0.50727
thats the version i have

Has anyone tried out Google Maps Mobile on Universal?

Google released a j2me version of its map service which is available at http://www.google.com/gmm
In order to download the j2me application you must use a mobile device to visit the above link. Choose the high-end version.
I tried this on my Universal and it works fine! (You should use the application as if you were using a smartphone)
Although it does not support GPS at the moment, I am more than satisfied with this initial release of google maps service with a fullscreen VGA display. It's also free from money and storage card space.
There is currently a small issue that the menu sometimes doesn't show up after I tap "zoom -". I'm not sure if this is the case for all universals or not.
It is thereby worth trying this and expecting a Pocket PC version of google maps, which should definitely support screen tapping and dragging.

Having trouble with the Midlet mgr
I have tried and tried to get the google maps to my Universal; No luck what so ever; Its trying to do something but the Midlet Mgr comes up and does nothing ! Is there any reason in particular this happens ??

There was a thread for google maps somewhere in the forums, to make it work you need a IBM java midlet manager which work with google maps java app. It does not worked in my Blueangel. Soon i will get Universal and post the results

I just tried to day (18 may) on my brand new tmob mda pro, and it works... kinda. It's painfully slow and unresponsive. After the initial excitement of seeing the familiar google map world map, my enthusiasm quickly died down when the midlet starting prompting for network use authorization one after th e other. After zooming in around a few times, it completely froze.

Actually...
... I'd like to update my post above. The network I was on was using some firewall/censorship tools. When I tried it again today on my wifi connection, it worked flawlessly, apart from the annoying repetitive message asking for the right to connect. Impressive stuff to show your friends, especially thanks to the VGA screen.

Its not supporting the touch screen right?
I must say I have some issue with it, being pretty sluggish and crashing a lot, plus I cant type adresses. Pretty awful all in all. Do I need another Java VM?
Anyway, it would be cool if it worked, because Pocket streets actually sucks a lot regarding the map layout. Anyone got mor tips for such apps?

Re: Actually...
mdaexecfan said:
... I'd like to update my post above. The network I was on was using some firewall/censorship tools. When I tried it again today on my wifi connection, it worked flawlessly, apart from the annoying repetitive message asking for the right to connect. Impressive stuff to show your friends, especially thanks to the VGA screen.
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The java applet does rely highly on the quality of connection though, otherwise it is easy to get stuck on the screen. Likewise, some functions do not seem to work properly since it isn't a stable version. Based on Java, it is also reasonbly slow.
This should originally be designed for a phone and I guess there would probably be a PPC version which supports most of the WM + touchscreen features.
It can't be said as a fantastic tomtom replacement yet but I can foresee that in some near future.

well, If only opera allowed the user-agent string to be modified, we could actually just browse maps.google.com and be done with it. But noooooooo.... for some reason the user-agent string can't be changed. Arrrrg.

mdaexecfan said:
well, If only opera allowed the user-agent string to be modified, we could actually just browse maps.google.com and be done with it. But noooooooo.... for some reason the user-agent string can't be changed. Arrrrg.
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actually I can visit maps.google.com normally with PIE and get a simplified version of map service which provides the map as plain graphic files (like jpg or gif). The graphic map cannot of course be dragged or tapped, and is in broken colours.
It won't be a good way of google to improve maps.google.com since this calls for too many modifications in PIE and hence can't be eligible. Comparing with the slow pace of MS I would rather believe google will be a bit faster to produce a reader to their own maps.

Well, Google Maps Mobile works on my T-Mobile MDA Pro, but just barely...
For every single keystroke, it asks me:
"Google Maps" wishes to access the network, which might use call time. This MIDlet suite is not from a trusted source.
Allow this time?
[ No ] [ Yes ]
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I can't find a way to permanently allow it to access the network. In the midlet's security settings, I can only choose between "No" or "Oneshot", for network access.
Anyone know how to permanently allow this? Or how to make a MIDlet "trusted"?
I'm running on the built-in MIDlet manager (intent Java MIDlet Manager, Runtime JTWI 1.0: v10.1.7.666 (Build 20051117)).
Thanks,
- Michael

Google Maps was working fine on my HTC Wizard before I upgraded to a newer ROM, now it's also saying the same thing:
"Google Maps" wishes to access the network, whic might use call time. This MIDlet suite is not from a trusted source. Allow this time?
I remember when I tried it previously it only asked this once, not it's asking so often it's impossible to use google maps properly.
If anyone has an idea please post!

Lets help eachother enjoy the X1 even more. What do you do on your X1?

I just got my X1, and the lag has got me down a bit :\
However, I'm still sure that its a great phone, and has tons of potential.
The thing is... before I got the phone, I had so many ideas of what I wanted to do with it. But now that I have it... I'm completely blank o_o
What have you guys been doing with your X1s?
How are you enjoying it?

Nippero said:
I just got my X1, and the lag has got me down a bit :\
However, I'm still sure that its a great phone, and has tons of potential.
The thing is... before I got the phone, I had so many ideas of what I wanted to do with it. But now that I have it... I'm completely blank o_o
What have you guys been doing with your X1s?
How are you enjoying it?
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The first thing is forget about the stock rom and try some cooked rom.

lol, well this is my first winmo phone, so I really dont know what I'm doing
No clue how to flash a new ROM and dont wanna risk bricking my phone by screwing up >.>

In addition to the regular texting and im'ing. I use it to listen to music watch movies, do quick editing on office suites, streaming with orb.Also used for taking photos and videos and uploading to facebook.

It all comes down to the apps I suppose.
Satnav
Podcasts (stupid word for audio streams)
RSS feeds
VNC
Minutes manager
Telemarketing blocker
C# IDE
It's like a little computer. There's not much it can't do. TV on demand would be nice.

at45 said:
It all comes down to the apps I suppose.
Satnav
Podcasts (stupid word for audio streams)
RSS feeds
VNC
Minutes manager
Telemarketing blocker
C# IDE
It's like a little computer. There's not much it can't do. TV on demand would be nice.
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what do you use for podcasting? and a C# environment???? (wow - which is that?)

"and a C# environment???? (wow - which is that?)"
http://www.geocities.com/hrowson/wm5_software/index.htm

Rudegar said:
"and a C# environment???? (wow - which is that?)"
http://www.geocities.com/hrowson/wm5_software/index.htm
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Yep, and pRSSreader will do all your podcasts if you enable 'download enclosures' in the settings.

Rudegar said:
"and a C# environment???? (wow - which is that?)"
http://www.geocities.com/hrowson/wm5_software/index.htm
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That is awesome!!! Being a .Net developer myself, i'm excited to try this one out...

the best thing i do is to unlock everything on my rom without flash them so i dont have to void my warrenty and got touch flo 3d pannel, coreplayer to watch high quality movies, i got a 16gb to store all of them!

I currently use on my X1:
-Subsembly FinPhone (real mobile banking from all over the connected world)
-TTQV Pathaway (Moving Map and GPS Tracking Software)
-Basic4ppc Version 5.80 (BASIC IDE for PPC)
-complex Pocket Excel sheets i.e. for forecasts, financial calculations,
budgeting, event planning
And: I'd really like to try vsNotepad (by VirtualSpaghetti) but it suffers from an uncalibrated UI
at45 said:
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C# IDE
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Please let me know about more about this IDE which sounds like to be one running on the PPC.
so short
snoman

Wow, sounds like you guys are all doing such professional things with your X1s
Im still trying to get used to mine and finding the right programs..
Where do you guys find your programs? Ive only looked at places like handango and getjar.

I use the following
Online:
Orb
Logmein
Windows Live Mesh
Google Maps
Offline:
Tomtom
Coreplayer
Resco File Explorer
Worms (awesome game)

snoman said:
Please let me know about more about this IDE which sounds like to be one running on the PPC.
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Well it's a C# IDE. Very nice too. Get it from here, and see what you think. It doesn't need to be installed: it just runs.
Speaking of cool apps for PocketPC, PocketBlender is a great idea, but I find it unfinished and unstable. Does anyone know of other free CAD viewers?
TrackMe is nice. Again, I'd be interested to hear of alternatives since Trackme depends on .net and an SQLserver.
Nicetrack looks to be brilliant, but it doesn't work on the X1. Apparently only a minor source-code tweak is needed to fix this.
Nippero said:
Where do you guys find your programs? I've only looked at places like handango and getjar.
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I just think what I want, then enter it into a search engine along with the words "for Windows Mobile" or "for PocketPC"
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This seems like a good place to mention OBD II on the X1. Somewhat of a challenge since we need to use the MicroSDIO for a comm interface, and www.obd2cables.com have a minimum order of 250pc for custom cables. OBD II is the thing which mechanics use to look at what's gone wrong with your car. I've not had any luck starting topics on the subject.

Nice one Pyrojester
I didn't realise LogMeIn was available for windows mobile. Now I can work while i'm away from work/home.

bluebirds1927 said:
Nice one Pyrojester
I didn't realise LogMeIn was available for windows mobile. Now I can work while i'm away from work/home.
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Awesome isn't it? Truly mobile computing.

hi pyrojester,
do u mind showing the URL where i can purchase the worms game?

- Watching movies
- Listening to music
- surfin the web
- read/write blogs
- phone stuff (of course)
- taking pics/vids
- tweaking the system *lol*
- mass storage
- office docs
- writing longer docs
- ...

I use it to access VNC computers or remote desktops. It's quite useful for FTP access too.
You can do pretty much what you want with it.
Though WVGA is great for VNC, remote desktop, FTP browsing, Corecodec, Xnview, TomTom, MSN (IM), and of course mails.

nothing as i amm still trying hard to tweak it LOL

Gmail java midlet app on the HD2?

Has anyone got this to work on the HD2?
Of course there are other ways to access Gmail, like the default mail application, and also with any browser.
But the java midlet is nice, very fast, have used it on other phones before, including Windows Mobile.
I installed it on the HD2, using the built-in Sun midlet manager.
It appeared to install fine.
However, when I try to launch it, I invariably get the same error message: "This program requires a working data connection. Please check your signal strength and connections settings and then restart the application".
No matter how good the data connection is, including with Wi-fi, I invariably get that same error message, when I try to launch the Gmail midlet. Anyone know what is causing that?
Has anyone been able to get it working on the HD2?

I've tried several different methods to get gmail applets to work and have been completely unsuccessful on both my HD2 and TP2, I was under the impression that they just don't have a 6.5-compatible version.

it does work, you just need to use esmertec jbed. however I found the fonts are so tiny its really difficult to use.
I end up setting the home page of opera mobile and pie both to m.gmail.com and logged in two of my most used gmail accounts.

sirphunkee said:
I've tried several different methods to get gmail applets to work and have been completely unsuccessful on both my HD2 and TP2, I was under the impression that they just don't have a 6.5-compatible version.
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I don't think it has anything to do with compatibility with WM 6.5. It has to do with the Java JVM that comes on the phone--from Sun.
As someone else wrote, one can install a different JVM, such as Esmertec JBED.
Surprising though, that Sun, the founder of Java, would not make sure that its mobile JVM is compatible with one of the most popular java phone apps. I wonder if Sun (and HTC) is aware of the problem?
In other respects, this version of the Sun JVM looks nice. For instance, you can choose to install each app to main memory or storage card. Good to have the choice. Also, you can turn off all permission-asking.
I tried Bolt Browser on it, also didn't work. I think it has a network problem.

me said:
I don't think it has anything to do with compatibility with WM 6.5. It has to do with the Java JVM that comes on the phone--from Sun.
As someone else wrote, one can install a different JVM, such as Esmertec JBED.
Surprising though, that Sun, the founder of Java, would not make sure that its mobile JVM is compatible with one of the most popular java phone apps. I wonder if Sun (and HTC) is aware of the problem?
In other respects, this version of the Sun JVM looks nice. For instance, you can choose to install each app to main memory or storage card. Good to have the choice. Also, you can turn off all permission-asking.
I tried Bolt Browser on it, also didn't work. I think it has a network problem.
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I guess that's what I was trying to say....after I started using 6.5, I never found a JVM that would work with the Gmail applet I had, that's all.