is it just me, or is resco explorer 2005 the slowest file explorer app out there. it takes like 5-8 secs for each load... i'm going back to using File Explorer and Commander
I agree. It takes a long time to open the Windows folder as well as others.
For some of us refugees from the HP 6315, this is downright sprightly! The long list of files and folders in /Windows is likely the reason for the slow response. Given the features Resco Explorer offers, the few seconds it takes to load /Windows seems a minor trade-off. But that's just me...
On my Wizard, it just takes about 2-3 seconds (Version 5.40)
Cheers
hrb
On my Jasjar it takes 3 seconds to start Resco. Once started when I click the Windows folder it takes another seconds for its contents to display. My version is 5.35
Compared to this the default file explorer start up is almost instantaneous, but again takes 3 seconds to display the contents of the windows folder.
So for my taste the slight sluggishness at startup is okay given the extra features it gives.
Kind Regards
Sadly, its not the program, its the file system on the Wizard.
I think its actually the WM5 use of flash for storage. WM2003 and earlier systems used RAM for storage. There are no directories with more files in it than WINDOWS, so reading that from FLASH is alot slower than RAM.
Try upx compression of the resco exe will increase the startup time and save space
see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=49990
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I tried to do a search about this, but nothing came up. For some reason, whenever I tried to open my Windows folder using Resco, it takes about 8-10 seconds before it opens up. I don't know what program I've installed that can be causing this. In fact, I even hard resetted and restored using one of my latest backups. The folder opens up normally and quickly, but then a few syncs later, it goes back to taking 8 sec to open the folder (so, only the Windows is affected). I'm thinking maybe it's some dll file that resco or the built-in file explorer are trying to read, but just a conjecture. Please advise if you have any suggestions.
is resco installed in the main memory or storage card?
Opening the windows folder is always slow - it has to gather info on every file, from ROM (which is slow anyway) and then gather icons for every .exe. Disable showing icons for rom files in your settings (I use gsfinder, but I'm sure Resco does this too).
V
I have resco installed in the main memory. I can try disabling the icon display. The only thing disappointing here is it was opening the Windows folder fine, until suddenly it slowed down (overnight). I tried to figure out what program I installed in the interim, but couldn't find anything. This has happened before, but was corrected with a previous backup restored. Then happened again after a few weeks. I just wish there is an answer, instead of me blaming it on software incompatibility. B/c if that's the case, I have to be careful about installing every program in the future. And with WM5, you can't always uninstall programs cleanly.
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I tried to do a search about this, but nothing came up. For some reason, whenever I tried to open my Windows folder using Resco, it takes about 8-10 seconds before it opens up.
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One way - overclock your PDA.
Speaking of overclock. Where can I find the omap overclocker? Excuse my ignorance, but I did a search on the net, it links from one site to another, but I can never find the actual site for the download. Does anyone know?
I too have noticed this problem with opening the Windows folder. I have the following observations:
1: Normally when I tap the windows folder it opens up before the spinning coloured wheel has completed one full turn.
2: When the slow down occurs it takes about 4 spins of the colured wheel before the windows folder opens up.
3: Once the slow down has occurred it can be noticed both in Resco file explorer as well as the original windows file explorer.
4: I have noticed that this slow down in opening the Windows folder is also accompanied with a slow down of the boot up time. In my case when things are working nromally a boot up takes 1 Minute and 30 Seconds. (this is the time between when I press the reset button to the time when the today screen has fully redrawn). Once the problem has occurred the boot time increased to 2 Minute and 5 seconds.
5: In my case this problem has occurrred most of the time when I have installed a new software after installing NetFront 3.3. In my case the solution that has worked is to uninstall Netfront 3.3 and then again reinstall it. In other words if I install any new software I first have to remove Netfront 3.3, install the new software and then reinstall Netfront 3.3.
By the way my device is an i-mate Jasjar but the observations are quite similar to the prophet.
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same here guys.. It is obvious that slow down accure after active sync or new application install. Then it makes me think it has to do with registry modification, once windows folder has been modified? Forgive me my ignorance, I’m not a programmer.. And this is just observation in an effort to find a couse and solution. Any ideas? Anybody? Cuz this is really getting on my nerves. This prophet is disappointing me a big time I have magician and prophet and when I compare two phones, with prophet over clocked to 240 (this is optimal speed before it crashes) and magician with its normal speed, both phones have same applications running and the difference is like driving the porche and old opel! Where magician is a porche! I can watch high quality, full 600 mb movie on magician without a flinch! And prophet is barely moving!! I got to tell you, I love the design and everything, but by putting an OMAP processor with WM 5 (which is slow as it is) HTC really screwed up! First they try to make a PDA out of phone, and then they are taking it back from PDA to a phone.. I’m selling it I guess Atom is the next thing for me. It’s just to darn expensive
Smrz, I think you pretty much hit it on the nose with netfront. I noticed that on my old dopod 818pro and now the jamin, the slow down occurred after netfront was installed. But I dismissed that it was due to netfront b/c I think I reinstalled it, and then it was back to normal. But I didn't think about netfront causing a conflict only IF YOU INSTALL NEW APPLICATIONS. I think I'll try reinstalling netfront again, and see if it works. What's frustrating with wm5 is I can't cleanly uninstall applications anymore. Is this unique to my machine, to prophet, or to WM5 in general. Everytime I uninstall, it says it can't do it, but it'll remove the application name from the Add/Remove menu. Meanwhile, I have to go delete the folder in program files manually. And who knows what happened to my registry and dll files during all this. BTW, anyone know where I can get that overclocker?
Windows folder
Hi,
any solution found to this problem? My normal time of opening the Windows folder is about 4 secs. After installing of any application which copies its files to Windows folder the time grows. I've tried to uninstall the application, the files are gone, free space is as before, number of files in Windows folder is the same as before, but the slowdown persists.
After installing Manila 2D for example my Windows folder takes up to 40 secs to open and everything slowed down (boot, opening apps from Windows).
Anything I can think of now is maybe a filesystem problem? (\Windows inode corrupted somehow, probably relayed to the fact that it is linked to ROM files)
P.S. I have SPV M3100 (TyTN) with WM6.
Thanks for any advice except hard reset
I found this thread on aximsite, a forum I still visit from when I had a Dell Axim and it looked interesting. I didn't find the app in a search here, so I thought I'd post it for anyone who might be interested.
UPX is apparently an app that lets you compress .exe and .dll files without really impacting perfomance in any noticeable way (per the postings in the thread.) I haven't tried it yet, but might give it a shot. It seems the app is not resident on the pocket PC, but needs have files moved to the pc, compressed, then moved back. It's a little bit of work, but it only needs to be done once, so after the set up, it sounds like you're good to go.
Anyway, just thought I'd pass it on as an FYI for anyone who might be interested.
Oh yeah, and it's free too.
Finally UPX is available for WinCE. You should have posted in "General" in the first place.
This program makes your programs even start faster (less to read from usually slow SD card, storage, ...).
For a non-technical person, I am a bit confused... Reading thru the thread, it seems that more ram are required to run the compressed apps.
What exactly do we gain if the apps are stored on a storage card where storage space is not really the issue? Need help.
Wow, thank God. UPX is old skool genius.
Can someone give it a go on the enormous Skype executable? I'm not near my phone for a while and can't check it.
V
vijay, I tested it on the big MobileNavigator.exe which is around 3,7 MB originally. UPX'd only 1,1 MB or so. And it runs! Even Voice Command (300KB down to 100KB). Since I have it installed in Storage it starts faster (Storage is soo slow).
Thank goodness. This is a God send, when reversing PPC binaries you can see that they're full of so much slack.
I had a look at UPX quite a while ago - I use it to compress all my PC VB and C++ stuff, but was disappointed to find it didn't work on PPC. I'm now.
Decompressing presumably incurrs some overhead, but it'll help us out when we've got limited storage.
V
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Decompressing presumably incurrs some overhead, but it'll help us out when we've got limited storage.
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I can't agree with that. You can read on the authors page, that
http://upx.sf.net/ said:
Your executables suffer no memory overhead or other drawbacks because of in-place decompression.
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Although decompression takes some time it is still faster, because it is read into RAM a few times faster than it normally would. This saves more time than it takes.
Good point Chatty. My concern was CPU overhead on slower processors (OMAP), but as you say, since you're using RAM or faster storage, it'll probably compensate.
V
i tried it with opera and tomtom which are both on my main memory
results:
original opera startup 14 sec
upx opera startup 9 sec
original tomtom startup 15 sec
upx tomtom startup 14 sec
i also tried it with tcpmp which is on my SD card
original tcpmp startup 3 sec
upx tcpmp startup 2,5 sec
so it seems to speed things up a little
HOWEVER... in opera the the '-' buttons dont work anymore.. they do work when you use them through the touch screen though..
and the text ('Stop'/'Go to' and 'Menu') is aligned to the left of the screen instead of the normal at 1/3rd and 2/3rd of the screen.
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original opera 4,86mb
upx opera 1,63mb
original tomtom 2,62mb
upx tomtom 1,67mb
original tcpmp 1,21mb
upx tcpmp 1,21mb
not only a speed gain but it also saves room
OPERA
after a few tests i found out the opera.dll is responsible for the movement of the ´-´ buttons and the not functioning with the keyboard
the opera.exe, xmlparse.dll and zip.dll have nothing to do with it..
with the upx´ed above three and the standard opera.dll startup takes 12 sec so its still some faster then all original files
however the original opera.dll is 4,74mb and the upx opera.dll is 1,57mb, so it doesnt save much room :!:
im just glad ill receive a 4gb SD card today which will give me some extra breathing room compared to my 512mb
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Bartjan said:
however the original opera.dll is 4,74mb and the upx opera.dll is 1,57mb, so it doesnt save much room :!:
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1/3! What do/did you expect? I find this rather great!
i meant:
when you use the original opera.dll so the ´-´ buttons still work right, you dont save much room compared to the all original opera :roll:
I went through last night and UPX'd every DLL and EXE that I could, including WisBar (and Desktop), Resco, Opera, PocketInformant and other stuff.
PocketInformant won't start if one of the DLLs is UPX'd, but I don't remember which one. The rest of them and all the EXEs are fine.
Opera - as above. Screw the soft keys, 3MB is a lot of slack to be rid of.
Resco was interesting. The Today plugin messed up at one point, and the Explorer went completely scatty with fonts. Even after uncompressing all the Resco files again the Encrypt/Decrypt context menu items were blank but functioning.
WisBar (compressed) can now live in the 10MB Ext_ROM along with Opera and Resco.
All in all it is something to use carefully, but can save a LOT of space.
Hmm.. so far the responses from the trial seems good. I'll give it a try too later this weekend
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My results, using UPX -9 (e.g. max compression)
All programs are working so far, but performance are negligible (e.g. less than 2 seconds improvements)
from \Windows
PITools.dll 1.18M -> 504K (save 700K)
from \Program Files
Mobibook.exe : 1.61M -> 619K (save 1.0M)
Tom tom navigator : 1.59 -> 692 (save 900K)
WorldMate.exe : 747K -> 207K (540K)
So, that is a saving of 3M of space! Anyway, for those of you that are adventurous, there are various 500K size dll files in \Windows folder, which I doubt can save much (e.g. the effort/space ratio isn't that attractive).
Anyway, I've found the following files on \Windows that seems to be compressable.
ppt.exe (powerpoint)
gwes.exe (???) <-- DO NOT RUN. It will hang your unit.
gdiplus.dll (???)
msxml3.dll (???)
However, I'm not sure if it is a good idea to compress the ppt that is in ROM, and others are unknown programs (e.g. not sure how to test it after compression)
I've also looked around my SD card and found the Tennis.exe game that I have, that is 2.4M in size which were then compressed downed to 2.17M, which is a bit disappointing. I didn't test if it runs on my unit or not.
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Hmm.. so far the responses from the trial seems good. I'll give it a try too later this weekend
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An pages anywhere with a list of what NOT to compress?
This is an excellent app! I have compressed all of my apps and have not had any problems.
The big ones for me are PlanMaker and TextMaker - both have compressed to a fraction of their original size. Infact I was running a little tight on space I hadn't even installed TextMaker. But now I have compressed both it isn't a problem.
The only strange one so far is ListPro which works fine but loses it's icon.
I haven't tried to compress everything possible, just the apps and may be the main dll.
I have now got about 5mb more storage space than when I started with TextMaker installed.
Excellent!
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Anyway, I've found the following files on \Windows that seems to be compressable.
ppt.exe (powerpoint)
gwes.exe (???) <-- DO NOT RUN. It will hang your unit.
gdiplus.dll (???)
msxml3.dll (???)
However, I'm not sure if it is a good idea to compress the ppt that is in ROM, and others are unknown programs (e.g. not sure how to test it after compression)
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You're right that compressing something that is in ROM isn't a good idea, that takes up space!
If you have a file in ROM like \windows\PPT.EXE and it is 1MB in size, then compress it to 500KB, copy it back to \windows, you actually USE 500KB of Program Storage rather than saving it.
Your ROM is Read Only, you can't delete files from it or overwrite them.
What actually happens is that you create another file with the same name and the OS ignores the one in ROM.
I do this with ClearStorage.exe.
I created a .TXT file and in it put
Code:
Clear Storage is dangerous.
then renamed it to ClearStorage.exe. I put it in the \windows folder to stop anyone erasing my device by accident(!).
If I need to clear my device I can delete the file and the original ClearStorage.exe is still there.
Try it yourself.
There is no easy way to save space.
If you want to load your apps to ROM and delete the crap ones that come with the OS this will work, but you will have to decode the ROM, edit the hive files, re-encode the ROM and flash it.
This is no small task, but it can be done (I plan on doing it myself actually).
Wow - This is fantastic. In just a short amount of time I have saved several meg of space, and some programs (such as TomTom) run significantly faster.
Superb!
Cheers
Rowan
Amazing. My Big Storage now BIGGER
Some results (on a Wizard)
MS Communicator Mobile - Compressed the exe and one dll down to 33% (1.3mb). The app would not run with one dll (lclang-res96.dll) compressed.
GoodLink - Compressed GoodApp.exe (the biggest file) from 3.5mb to 1.2mb successfully, however by compressing the largest dll (GoodLinkRes_EN.dll) I lost the soft key labels (and probably some other stuff).
TomTom Navigator - 41%
MS VoiceCommand - Compressed from 1.6mb to .6mb
Those were my big files on my device. Using UPX gained me an extra 6mb storage memory - which was a 50% increase (I went from 12 to 18 ). Off to try it now on my Storage Card apps.
Also, .NET files are not currently supported.
Hi
Using my i-Mate Jamin when I go to the Windows directory in File Explorer it takes about 25 secs before it displays the files. Free program memory is about 24MB and Storage memory 29MB. I have no other applications running. Has anyone got any ideas what might be wrong?
Cheers
Richard
That's too long. Check how you view files (default and quickest is by name), and if you view them by date/type etc., revert back to name.
It doesn't take that long for me, but still a bit of a delay (10 - 15 sec). I did notice an even bigger delay when opening it from the PC. I think there might be a permissions issue in the imate ROMs.
P.S. I am using the latest official ROM from imate (2. something)
Hi guys
I've had my TD2 for about 6 months and all good so far - thank to this site
Recetly, I can't get in to File Explorer via the phone. When i click on the icon, I get the Windows logo (the horrid round pie-chart one!) and it just sticks for ever! I have to "X" out of it but then it locks up my RAM so i have to do a soft reset each time
I notice that when i click on File Explorer the directory it is trying to get in to is Windows - which i know from previous use is the slowest one to get in to out of all the directories (e.g. My Programs, Documents, etc). I wonder if this is a cause?
By the way, I can Sync all ok (via ActyiveSync on XP) and can get in to the different directories including Windows this way just not through the phone.
Please tell me i won't have to do a hard reset - I really don't want to do this! Tell me there's an xda-developers approved app out there somewhere!
Thanks for the help guys.
Mo
I had my phone set to the windows folder in File Explorer once but it did not lock my phone, sorry I cant help anymore.
I had my phone set to the windows folder in File Explorer once but it did not lock/crash my phone, sorry I cant help anymore.
I had this exact problem. There is a registry edit you can do (sorry I cant remember exactly what it is) so File Explorer stops trying to load the Windows folder when it starts.
The other solution is to use Total Commander, which I think is a much better file explorer.
Thanks for the response guys.
ozmbie - cheers for this, I'll have a look at Total Commander tonight. Pity you can't remember the reg edit.
Anyone out there know the edit??
Thanks again
Mo
You can use also Resco explorer.
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\File Explorer\LocalPath
Change from "\windows" to just"\" (without the "" of course)
Pete_S - the reg edit worked a treat.
Cheers mate.
Mo
I've had File Explorer do this when it was set to look at Windows. As you know, there's a stupid amount of files in \Windows so that it takes File Explorer (or Explorer over ActiveSync), ages to read the folder and show the results. This problem is exacerbated massively if you put a sort on the folder other than by "Name". I've done that, and had it take 5 minutes or so before the list appears. So if you're in the same situation you probably don't need to edit the registry, you just need to leave it for long enough. Just go and make a cuppa!
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I've had File Explorer do this when it was set to look at Windows. As you know, there's a stupid amount of files in \Windows so that it takes File Explorer (or Explorer over ActiveSync), ages to read the folder and show the results. This problem is exacerbated massively if you put a sort on the folder other than by "Name". I've done that, and had it take 5 minutes or so before the list appears. So if you're in the same situation you probably don't need to edit the registry, you just need to leave it for long enough. Just go and make a cuppa!
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Aah, funny you mention the "sort folder by", as mine was set to "type" (not sure how) so i guess that's what was making it hang for ages! Will bear it in mind next time.
Cheers mate
Mo
like in the title, why the windows folder loading in file explorer is very slow than in resco explorer is immediately? (windows folder of internal memory and not of storage card)
It just does...that's (one of the reasons) why many people use Resco in preference
Yep, the embeded file explorer tends to lag when it comes to large folders.
My Windows folder loads in 1 second.
May I ask how you convinced the Windows Explorer to do it that quickly?
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May I ask how you convinced the Windows Explorer to do it that quickly?
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Sweet talk...
No tweaks applied though.
Strange, my HD2 takes ages to open the Windows folder (almost one minute). As somebody already mentioned, Resco does it in a few seconds.
widows explorer takes only a second to load
Chaps,
The speed at which explorer loads the files depends on how many applications you have installed and how old your installation is. The older the installation the more dirty and polluted it is, slowing down explorer.
If you hard reset and then immediately load up explorer you will find that it will fly. Start loading up apps and using it on a daily basis and speed of access rapidly deteriorates.
Hope this helps.
WB
PS: Oh, and if the installation is dirty and you have stacks of apps open in memory when you open explorer then that just makes things a whole lot worse.....
tnyynt said:
My Windows folder loads in 1 second.
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i dare you to go to that same windows folder and select sort by size, see how long that takes you.
tnyynt said:
My Windows folder loads in 1 second.
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Try loading the files by type and tell me if you finish in less than 2 mins
Xeon said:
Try loading the files by type and tell me if you finish in less than 2 mins
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That's something else
In short, don't sort. Set the sort key to its standard and loading goes faster.
To make the windows folder open in a second, just....
1) get the folder to open
2) then change the sort to "name"
Next time you go to the windows folder it will load in a second!