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VGA WEB Browser which one

Having a VGA PDA is nice, but Microsoft made useless Pocket IE, which Browser will help me to REALLY surf in VGA mode, I do not want to put the VGA Hack for everything

I am afraid there are very few options at the moment. Give Bitstream's Thunderhawk a try though it is a bit expensive as you have to select a package of regular payment. However use there free trial period and if you like it you may continue.
I am also anxiously waiting for the WM5 compatible version of Access Netfront and Opera.
I was using Netfront 3.2 on my previous i-mate pda2k but this does not work on the JJ.
Regards

Daimaou said:
Having a VGA PDA is nice, but Microsoft made useless Pocket IE, which Browser will help me to REALLY surf in VGA mode, I do not want to put the VGA Hack for everything
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What VGA hack? Do you know of one that works for WM5 or Pocket IE? I've been looking for one.
Thanks,
Brett

I've always liked opera and used to use it loads on my SE P800/P900. Does anyone know if they plan to release a WM5 version? Should we ask them?

minimo support VGA not sure if it works on 2005 though

It doesn't (at least it didn't for me)

This is reall stupid, MS made the OS quite well except for Web browsing...

Daimaou said:
This is reall stupid, MS made the OS quite well except for Web browsing...
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I never cease to be amazed when I ponder the absolute stupidity of Pocket IE. To some extent I can understand why some people would want to use the pixel doubling feature on a VGA device, but why on earth wouldn't they give us the option to disable it?
Brett

It really is pathetic isn't it. They give us the options of having the text as small as we like but then it goes and makes all the pictures massive and blocky.
I guess MS just don't want people to use the browser.

rilot said:
It really is pathetic isn't it. They give us the options of having the text as small as we like but then it goes and makes all the pictures massive and blocky.
I guess MS just don't want people to use the browser.
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And worst off all VGA work flawlessley on Terminal Service... :x

Well, there you go then. I'll remote desktop through to my server, which will RD through to a desktop machine (with slightly more lapse security settings than my server; eg running scripts, etc) and I'll use that IE in that instead :roll:

MiniMo - Mini Mozilla -
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
support vga screen (640x480) check http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/FAQ.html for more infos.
some screenshots http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/screenshots.html

forget the dl link http://www.meer.net/~dougt/minimo_ce/
use the 009 version

Tried the install of minimo on my Jasjar. Ran thru the normal start of installation, then i got a msg on the pda screen that the install was unsuccessful!

I tried to use Minimo very eary time i got Jasjar, yse works.
But not only too slow but also the size was too big for me.
Not good solution for me.
That why i am using Opera for MS Smart Phone and Opera Mini for GSM Phone on MIDLet.
Opera Mini is the best for me at this moment..... :lol:

How do you use Opera Mini without being in Norway?
There website says Norway only.

srmz said:
I am afraid there are very few options at the moment. Give Bitstream's Thunderhawk a try though it is a bit expensive as you have to select a package of regular payment. However use there free trial period and if you like it you may continue.
I am also anxiously waiting for the WM5 compatible version of Access Netfront and Opera.
I was using Netfront 3.2 on my previous i-mate pda2k but this does not work on the JJ.
Regards
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Unfortunately Bitstream Thunderhawk that is the best browser at the moment does'nt work with jj. Anyone managed to work with it and jj?

@ 155,
You can run it. The default language is Scandanavian (Please don't shoot me if I have that wrong). But you can go into the settings and change it to english. I didn't find the program too useful, but it does work.

Sorry late replay, already not up to date i think....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=157596#157596
change english menu like this...
Start Opera -> Meny -> Verkt?y -> Instillinger -> Spr?k
you can find Language manu!
Also you can see the Captured here(pls igonore japanese)
http://asukal.seesaa.net/article/7227776.html

@lucazaffiro.
Bitstream Thunderhawk does work on the JJ. It is working for me.
The trick is that before you tap the Thunderhawk Icon (eye) rotate the screen to portrait. If you start Thunderhawk without rotating the screen to portrait then it gets stuck.
Please do let me know if this helped.
Kind regards

Checkout MINIMO! = baby firefox!

Go fetch tigers
The pix >
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rebron/sets/153327/show/
The Download >
http://www.meer.net/~dougt/minimo_ce/MinimoCE_0.002.zip
Pax
LR

Opera for WM2005 is lightyears ahead.

Ward said:
Opera for WM2005 is lightyears ahead.
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Yeah I agree... and the Java version of Opera, Opera Mini.

Looks good, only it seems totally incompatible with the magician as it comes to the on-screen keyboard.
Regards, M

Opera is not yet available for WM2005 though (only smartphone 2003) - I was on their site yesterday, still no download links. You know better, please tell!
Also minimo will be free (will prob be 2 years before we see a decent version though!)
Nigel

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Opera is not yet available for WM2005 though (only smartphone 2003) - I was on their site yesterday, still no download links. You know better, please tell!
Also minimo will be free (will prob be 2 years before we see a decent version though!)
Nigel
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Take a look...
youll be happy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=35595&highlight=
Ciao

veletron said:
Opera is not yet available for WM2005 though (only smartphone 2003) - I was on their site yesterday, still no download links. You know better, please tell!
Also minimo will be free (will prob be 2 years before we see a decent version though!)
Nigel
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Follow the link and visit xda-developers more often
I have Opera for 2005 for a couple of weeks or so... and it looks great.

Opera is fantastic. Stomps on PIE's head.

I'm also in love with Opera. beside some small bugs (like double space) it's the most reliable and compatible browser for mobile devices (from full AJAX support ans so on)

unless im mistaken, the link to minimo at the TOP of this page is a very old version (11 months old ver 0.02 feb 05 edition ) there is a much newer (1 month old ver 0.12 dec 05 edition)

aven't tested it yet, but 0.12 version (& older versions too) can be found here http://www.meer.net/~dougt/minimo_ce/
It's big & fat (almost full screen & > 10MB), looks good though. Crashed just before finishing my post. Supports on screen keyboard, very important on a magician & compatibility ??
Going to test it for a week or so.
Cheers, M

I liked minimo, but I found .12 simply too slow to really use
Opera is quite a bit faster than minimo, but still slower than PIE on WM5 and tends to do some strange things with frames (hopefully they'll get that ironed out for the real release)
I'm really looking forward to these programs maturing, as PIE could use some real help

Dang . . and there i was thinking i was adding to the community .
Sigh.
I was looking forward to getting rid of my n00b stabilisers

decebal said:
I'm also in love with Opera. beside some small bugs (like double space) it's the most reliable and compatible browser for mobile devices (from full AJAX support ans so on)
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Is there any solution for the double space problem?
Cheers,
Steve.

A month ago, i tried to install Minimo on MDA Pro, but encountered insufficient memory problem.
Has it been solved? (I saw the flickr images and it seems that it's running on Jam not Universal..).

java (needed if possible)

I have just got hold of a t-mobile Ameo (funny when screen starts is states on the top - test only not for sale
oh well i bought it in good faith from ebay.
Question
when i tried to use a cam site it will not run because it needs Java, i have a copy of java that i put on my main PC running IE
will this version work on this machine
if not
can someone please send me a link to download a vesion for win5 mobile.
thanks for reading, and i did a search but could not find an answer.
Peter

I too have been hoping to have this. Unfortunately I don't think it exist yet on on the WM5 platform. I have so many websites that I wish I would access using our device but just have to go back to my desktop. An example of such a website would be www.fxstreet.com where I want to look at the graphs of real time exchage rate movement. When directed to the Sun Microsystem's website for Java Update, it would simply says that they do not have a version that support my operating system platform. This problem is similar to not being able to directly play youtube movies on the website because their version of flash player is always newer than what is available on WM5 environment.

eaglesteve said:
I too have been hoping to have this. Unfortunately I don't think it exist yet on on the WM5 platform. I have so many websites that I wish I would access using our device but just have to go back to my desktop. An example of such a website would be www.fxstreet.com where I want to look at the graphs of real time exchage rate movement. When directed to the Sun Microsystem's website for Java Update, it would simply says that they do not have a version that support my operating system platform. This problem is similar to not being able to directly play youtube movies on the website because their version of flash player is always newer than what is available on WM5 environment.
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Oh thats a shame as i am really getting on with this ameo, you would think someone rather clever would have writen a java for wn5. still we will both have to wait i am sure there will be something one day.
thanks for your quite reply
Peter

guys there is a java midlet manager available....just search for it....it should be in the hermes forum...or search in my posts...having said that i dont think that you will be able to achive what you want to with it...what you need it a web browser with good java handling

Do you mean java in a website?
try netfront

fards said:
Do you mean java in a website?
try netfront
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Yes we mean java in a website, netfront ? is that a browser if so i dont suppose you can point to a free copy.
think i will do a search for netfront now if its a browser that handles java on websites i want it..
thanks for reply
Peter

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Yes we mean java in a website, netfront ? is that a browser if so i dont suppose you can point to a free copy.
think i will do a search for netfront now if its a browser that handles java on websites i want it..
thanks for reply
Peter
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No it's not free, there is a free trial of 3.4 (which I haven't tried yet) I bought 3.3
http://www.access-company.com/products/netfrontmobile/browser/34_wm_tp.html

fards said:
No it's not free, there is a free trial of 3.4 (which I haven't tried yet) I bought 3.3
http://www.access-company.com/products/netfrontmobile/browser/34_wm_tp.html
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Thank you if Netforce works then i will seek it out
Cheers
Peter

java handling of netfront is as good as opera and only slightly better than PIE (BTW i am Talking About v3.3)

fallenczar said:
java handling of netfront is as good as opera and only slightly better than PIE (BTW i am Talking About v3.3)
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.. and I think the trial version of NF 3.4 has java disabled.

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.. and I think the trial version of NF 3.4 has java disabled.
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Oh thats why when i downloaded a trail version of Netfront 3.4 even with the java boxes ticked "it did not work"..
well i just dont know now - why would they give you a trail version that does not work ?
cheers
Peter

pr1uk said:
Oh thats why when i downloaded a trail version of Netfront 3.4 even with the java boxes ticked "it did not work"..
well i just dont know now - why would they give you a trail version that does not work ?
cheers
Peter
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Because it`s actually a beta (not a trial - sorry, I ought to have used the right word). Java is an external application and I assume either they have to pay a licence fee for it or they know that it already works (hence doesn`t need to be in the beta).
it has been the same for each beta. There should be a trial of 3.3 which does include java.

apd said:
Because it`s actually a beta (not a trial - sorry, I ought to have used the right word). Java is an external application and I assume either they have to pay a licence fee for it or they know that it already works (hence doesn`t need to be in the beta).
it has been the same for each beta. There should be a trial of 3.3 which does include java.
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To be honest i get most sites down but i did a search for java based sites and found sites that would not work like (www.webcamnow.com) just to really test the system. Perhaps none of the current browsers will load such sites, am i asking too much from a small operating system.
Peter

Opera Mobile 9.7 Beta 1 is Out!!!!!!

Here is the Link to Opera Mobile's FTP Server to Download the New Beta of Opera Mobile 7 Beta 1:
ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/winmobile/970b1/
I'm Downloading and Installing it now.....Will update you all soon.
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I installed it on my QVGA HTC Touch WM 6.1 (Build 21014) on the SD Card and
It Loads without any lag, Fairly fast. Renders and loads pages Pretty well too. No Major issues so far. Graphics and UI look pretty good. I still have to load the Widget Manager and try it out, never was a big fan of these. I will attempt to post some screen shots, but I am at work and may not be able to.
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KNOWN BETA ISSUES:
Browser
Opera Turbo in Opera Mobile is still a preview-feature;
Downloads don't work while Opera Turbo is enabled.
Some settings (such as toggle on/off images) do not apply when Opera Turbo is enabled.
On older WM 5.0 Devices with 480x800 resolution, switching between portrait and landscape may cause display errors. This is due to lack of support for this resolution in early versions of Microsoft's driver.
Some input method editors are known not to work well with Opera because they do not comply with Microsoft's SIP and/or IME standard. When such an editor is detected by Opera, Opera will use a known (default) input method instead. An exception is EzInput v1.5, where the phone keypad and compact QUERTY, ABC mode doesn't work, but the rest of the modes work fine. We recommend upgrading to EzInput v2.0 to avoid this.
Only support for FlashLite 3.x. No Flash plugin included.
Widget manager add-on
The Widget manager is an add-on to the browser, so the browser must be installed in order for the widget manager to work.
We recommend disabling Opera Turbo in the browser when using the widget manager.
Rotating widgets does not work properly. Portrait mode should be used when running widgets.
Widgets + Plugins (Flash & Gears) don't work.
Clicking internal links in a widget will launch the browser.
Twitter widget might have login problems on first run. If this happens, just close the Twitter widget (X) and open it again.

omg omg omg
downloading..
ill post screensnhots

haha good thing i didn't go to sleep will try and put screen shots too.

omg it has lag!
looks like its not made for all resolutions
qvga looks freaking weird and lags bad :S

Just downloaded an testing ... another link in megaupload with the two cabs: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OWRCCJ4Q

Yeah I installed it a few minutes ago.
It's just a mess. I guess it isn't for QVGA? Anyone with a VGA device have it working right?

lags bad... :S

yea me too just installed it n it didn't even load.

Hopefully they fix this or it will be an extremely disappointing release

It's awesome on my ATT Fuze (VGA), no flash if people care, also the turbo mode seems to load mobile pages perhaps

Are you guys even using the right cab? I did a little research with the folders on the opera.com domain and got to this:
http://get.opera.com/pub/opera/winmobile/970b1/
Download the first cab.
I just tried it on my qvga device and its amazing. NO lag. It runs. Nothing seems messed up. Scrolling is EXTREMELY smooth, it's as smooth as the omnia versions but doesn't suffer with the auto-full screen bug and it doesnt lock up while loading as well.
Opera turbo works, though its disabled by default.
So far, i absolutely LOVE it!

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Are you guys even using the right cab? I did a little research with the folders on the opera.com domain and got to this:
http://get.opera.com/pub/opera/winmobile/970b1/
Download the first cab.
I just tried it on my qvga device and its amazing. NO lag. It runs. Nothing seems messed up. Scrolling is EXTREMELY smooth, as smooth as the omnia versions.
Opera turbo works, though its disabled by default.
So far, i absolutely LOVE it!
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I have to agree with zeuzinn, So far it's great on my QVGA Touch. The Link I provided is the only one I found.

This is awesome. Was just wondering about this and was about to go to sleep. Then I hit the New Posts Button. Installing on my Topaz right now.

I gotta say, its MUCH faster than opera 9.5 even with opera turbo disabled, thanks to the new rendering engine.
I just tried the ACID3 test and got 100/100!!!!

can i please get a link to the VGA version ??

ranasrule said:
can i please get a link to the VGA version ??
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This is the only version posted on Opera's FTP as of now.

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This is the only version posted on Opera's FTP as of now.
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so the version posted on the ftp is QVGA ?

What's the difference between the two on the FTP?

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so the version posted on the ftp is QVGA ?
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I am assuming so, I have a QVGA device and it looks great, but I thought someone else said it worked on VGA too???

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so the version posted on the ftp is QVGA ?
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umm i think it has both versions in there how ever you can try this one ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/winmobile/ when i look in the folder i saw a VGA sub folder in there so idk.

New Skyfire 1.5 released

Just wanted to give folks a heads up that new skyfire was released and it finally supports higher resolution. Before I would hedge between skyfire and Opera/IE due to the resolution issues but preferring the speed and support for Flash, etc...now this will eliminate a decision as I believe I'll be using skyfire 100% of the time.
More finger friendly menus were added to. Surprises me after all these yrs MS has not been able to make many improvements to IE Mobile.
On a side note it sounds like Mobile Mozilla browser for WM should be available early 2010. Its initially targeted at Nokia phone with snapdragon processor but will than move to other platforms
Just thought some might be interested in the update for skyfire.

been using it all morning. Very much improved. Especially like the fact it supports higher res phones now.

Sorry for double post
One thing I noticed is it seems to use a lot more RAM...not thrilled about that. Maybe they can address this in a quick update. Anyone else experiencing significant ram usage by the new skyfire?

do you have the cab

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do you have the cab
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Since you asked so very nicely.. lol.. From my download to my device just now..
http://rapidshare.com/Skyfire-PPC_1.5.0.15020.cab

Thanks for the head's up. I've been hoping for this update for a while now.
It does look good. I'll probably still use Opera for most things though, and this for video.

Yeah thanks for the update, made it my default and overall I love it. Only thing that Opera 10 does better is the rendering, you know the checkerboard pattern that comes up when you scroll around. Opera renders it faster than Skyfire but with that improved I would have no issues with it.
Oh yeah that and no option for default full screen mode. You can switch to it but once you use the menu you have to select fullscreen again

I tried it but the opera that came with the TP2 is better.. The new version STILL doesnt rotate right UNLESS you open the keyboard and it still doesnt use the zoom bar

dahauss said:
I tried it but the opera that came with the TP2 is better.. The new version STILL doesnt rotate right UNLESS you open the keyboard and it still doesnt use the zoom bar
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Opera 10 couldn't uisefully use the zoom bar anyway. Version 9.5 allows variable degrees of zoom, but version 10 only has two levels - zoomed in, and zoomed out. There's nothing in between. So enabling the zoom bar wouldn't actually help.
If you're having problems with the rotation then just use G-Config.

dahauss said:
I tried it but the opera that came with the TP2 is better.. The new version STILL doesnt rotate right UNLESS you open the keyboard and it still doesnt use the zoom bar
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Once installed whether to storage or main, just do a soft rsest and it should auto rotate.
I am still messing around with it. I dont know if I should go ahead and make my default yet. The rendering speed is slower than the stocked Opera but I much favor the built in flash for web videos.

yummy
Loved skyfire from day 1, loving it more now that it supports better resolution. Rendering not as good as Opera, but that's expected for now, built-in flash works great still, but that's the advantage of cloud rendering. Typing works much smoother, wait time between skyfire sending data to server then back to your phone is much better. As far as mem usage goes, I think what they did with 1.5 is move some of the operations to your phone. Before with skyfire it was exclusively being processed on their servers. I think now things like putting in username and passwords are handled by the phone and sent in one swoop vs having to wait after you put in username, then wait after password and such. Also I've noticed that you can easily move from one field to the next. You used to have to re-tap each blank field, now it automatically moves the cursor and you can start filling it in immediately. Definitely a better browser. Maybe number one if they add tabs. I haven't made it default because of that. Unfortunately I'm out of the US so further testing isn't possible at the moment, but once I'm back I'll look at it more. So far the big face of is Opera tabs vs Skyfire built in flash.

Much, much more faster than Opera or IE. Of course the pages don't look as good but they're still good.

This new release inspired me to install Skyfire again -- I hadn't been including it in my "UC" configuration, so hadn't used it in a while as I flash new custom roms.
For me, the great advantage of Skyfire is how well it handles embedded video (and similar content) that other browsers don't handle well or at all. I stream live .wmv video from my backyard-birdfeeder-cam, and even PIE doesn't support this MS-format video -- but Skyfire does.

how can i set skyfire to be my default web browser from the Manilla interface?

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how can i set skyfire to be my default web browser from the Manilla interface?
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What ROM and Manila version do you have?
I have the official 6.5 upgrade for US T-Mobile (Timor version) and it opens Skyfire automatically from the internet tab after using Skyfire's setting to make it default.
There is a Manila file you can edit that will change all the internet tab settings for the T-Mobile stock Manila version I know, because that was how I edited it then.
So I guess it depends on what you're running.

Silence
I was having a play with Skyfire 1.5 yestersday. I found it played the video component of Flash videos correctly, but that there's no sound! Has anyone else encountered and fixed this? I'm running the standard HTC version of the WM6.5 ROM.

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What ROM and Manila version do you have?
I have the official 6.5 upgrade for US T-Mobile (Timor version) and it opens Skyfire automatically from the internet tab after using Skyfire's setting to make it default.
There is a Manila file you can edit that will change all the internet tab settings for the T-Mobile stock Manila version I know, because that was how I edited it then.
So I guess it depends on what you're running.
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the rom i have is the deepshining rom...nevermind i went and reset it to be the default and it just worked...thanks anyways

Shasarak said:
I was having a play with Skyfire 1.5 yestersday. I found it played the video component of Flash videos correctly, but that there's no sound! Has anyone else encountered and fixed this? I'm running the standard HTC version of the WM6.5 ROM.
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Try soft reset and re-launch, that worked for me.

I use Skyfire in Poland but every search results is showing in Netherlands Google

Shasarak said:
I was having a play with Skyfire 1.5 yestersday. I found it played the video component of Flash videos correctly, but that there's no sound! Has anyone else encountered and fixed this? I'm running the standard HTC version of the WM6.5 ROM.
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It might also help to know which site's flash videos gave you the issue. Not all implementations are created equal.
I notice, on a sort of related note, that on thewb.com, sometimes the video and audio get out of sync. I'm not sure if this is a general skyfire thing or not, but I've always found thewb's flash player to be a little quirky, so I plan to test some other sites this weekend.
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I use Skyfire in Poland but every search results is showing in Netherlands Google
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Skyfire has a server side and a client side--the browser itself doesn't actually support flash, the server grabs the content, converts it to something skyfire client friendly, and then transmits it to you. Google might be detecting where your skyfire server is instead of where you are.