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soft reset and e-mail clients

hello, if this has allready been asked can someone please point me to it as I cant find it
The question relates to a known issue with the email clients dissapearing after a soft reset. My problem is that they are still resident in the message menu, though when clicked on do nothing. And if I try to open them up again by the new account option it will not let me as it allready exits. How do I delete these entries so that they do not show up :?

me too......
I wouldn't mind a solution to this too. I've got an AWOL email account sitting on my today screen also.
Fish

Send mine to service, they switched the mainboard, no problems since!!

Seems a bit extreme, a mainboard transplant. I can't help think that it's a software problem.
I can find references to the number of unread emails displayed on the today screen in plain text in the registry, played a bit but not successfully.
Hmm, I think this may run and run.
Fish

It actually happened to my previous BA with WM5....
For my O2 Exec, what happened is sometimes:
1. When I receive an email from a Yahoo POP account, there is a link to some website.
2. I click the link and it divert to the PIE. It downloads a bit and then suddenly terminate itself. No matter how I try reopen the website it just doesn't work.
3. So, I reset the machine and the emails just downloaded in the Yahoo account were GONE!!! But the account is still there. I just have to download it again.
So, I think it's all related to the persistent storage that it needs more times to store the messages into the device.....I guess.
Anyway, my POP accounts didn't disappear again compared to my previous BA. Hopefully, an OS upgrade can solve this problem.
Cheers,

where are my email accounts???

last night, pocket outlook on my Exec had five pop3 mail accounts in it. this morning, they've gone! only "Outlook E-mail" and "Text Messages" are there.
what happened? is there any way to get them back?

has this happened to anyone else?

Yep, my main email account has just disappeared. I have soft reset numerous times and it still hasn't reappeared. i've also tried creating the account again, but it tells me that the account name already exists! next i searched the registry and deleted the references to the email account, but still get the same error message. it's a royal pain, and I don't see any solutions...anywhere!!
Does anyone have a solution?

Frankyg said:
i've also tried creating the account again, but it tells me that the account name already exists!
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yeah, same here...
i've upgraded to the new O2 rom - is it a problem with the new ROM, or has anyone seen it with the launch one?

dalelane said:
Frankyg said:
i've also tried creating the account again, but it tells me that the account name already exists!
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yeah, same here...
i've upgraded to the new O2 rom - is it a problem with the new ROM, or has anyone seen it with the launch one?
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+1 :-(

wm5 memory and disappearing mail accounts
I had the same problem (disappearing mail accounts) with my T-Mobile ROM and now with the new O2 ROM.
I think it comes when the accounts in dyn. memory are not committed to static memory when doing a soft rest before switching it OFF. Someone mentioned elsewhere that you should always switch the WM5 machines off before doing a soft rest, in order to commit everything to static memory in WM5.
So what happens if the machines hangs and no dyn. memory can be committed to static memory?

I don't think that's it. my pop gmail disappears seemingly at random download times.
This morning, I had 75 popped gmail messages and then the ping happened to see if there was more email...there were like 4 more...and when they finished downloading, the original 75 were gone. pissed me off somethin wicked.
and that's the latest example. its happened to me a LOT. not resets at all, I haddnet ever reoriented the screen...they just go to the mysterious universe that yor socks disappear to in the laundry
I'm using gmail lite now on my server (the html is generally faster anyway), but WOULD like to find out wtf is going on and how to fix it...
o2 xda exec w/ latest rom (middle of dec), tmobile usa gprs. don't conciously remember if it happened wi previous rom or not...

does anyone know if any of the backup/restore tools available for WM5 would be able to restore the email accounts to Messaging?
(granted, i'd have needed to make a backup before i lost the accounts, but i'm wondering for next time....)

Does anybody know, where the account information is stored?

http://www.tekguru.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=48808#48808
interesting, but i still havent been able to fix it

Does anyone know where the the email account information is stored on the Exec, apart from the registry? i was thinking of having a look around some of the databases, but I'm not sure which reader/editor to use. This is my first PPC, so any recommendations for a database reader/editor would be welcome.
No matter what I delete from the registry, my old, but now invisible email account, IS still there. It's got 4 unread messages showing on the today screen! annoying.
Thanks...

Re: wm5 memory and disappearing mail accounts
wkeller said:
I think it comes when the accounts in dyn. memory are not committed to static memory when doing a soft rest before switching it OFF. Someone mentioned elsewhere that you should always switch the WM5 machines off before doing a soft rest, in order to commit everything to static memory in WM5.
So what happens if the machines hangs and no dyn. memory can be committed to static memory?
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in the same way that there is a software link in Programs to do a Hard Reset (on XDA Exec, anyway), perhaps a software, rather than stylus, Soft Reset would be safer? something that did all of the writing to static memory before resetting. does anyone know how hard this would be to write?
(i know this doesnt solve the problem if the machine hangs, but needing to do a soft reset cos my Exec is being weird/slow/annoying is a common enough occurence that it would still be useful!)

just to confirm - I'm having the same problem. It's extremely annoying. I don't want to use my JasJar for pop mail anymore. The Activesync mail is fine, but not the pop dialup mail.

has anyone contacted O2 (or their network operator is) about this?

Yeah, I dont use it for pop anymore either.
I'm actually wondering if I should just install a different rom over my O2 and if that would solve the issue...?

WM5 pop email is hopeless (independent of ROM)
Hi
I tried my old T-Mobile ROM, de new O2 ROM (in all variants, basic, corporate, vanilla) and stil has problems losing pop email accounts (with the exception of Hotmail <g>). and also losing individual emails in my pop account. Most often it is related to soft resets. I always close all apps before reset. I think memory mgt in WM5 is still bad. I also lose connection settings sometimes.

ah ha - a reply from O2!
Finally! after trying for ages, I spoke to O2 Technical Support today. the guy was very friendly and seemed very helpful...
He seemed really surprised by the problems I described, saying that noone else has reported anything like this happening before. He was dubious when I said of other people here having the same problem, saying that despite supporting the XDA Exec for months and testing/using them extensively they have never encountered this problem or had it reported to them before.
He said that it is likely a result of faulty hardware and that I could send it to O2 for repair, although I am reluctant to do this. being without my pda would be inconvenient, they're never the same after they've been opened up and tinkered with, and I'm not convinced that it's a hardware fault anyway!
so, he's offered to look into it further - asked me to create a new pop3 account tonight and said he will phone me daily to see what happens until it vanishes again. not sure what this will achieve, but if i'm reluctant to send it to them to open up, and he's not seen it before, then what else can he do, I s'pose

Re: ah ha - a reply from O2!
dalelane said:
Finally! after trying for ages, I spoke to O2 Technical Support today. the guy was very friendly and seemed very helpful...
He seemed really surprised by the problems I described, saying that noone else has reported anything like this happening before. He was dubious when I said of other people here having the same problem, saying that despite supporting the XDA Exec for months and testing/using them extensively they have never encountered this problem or had it reported to them before.
He said that it is likely a result of faulty hardware and that I could send it to O2 for repair, although I am reluctant to do this. being without my pda would be inconvenient, they're never the same after they've been opened up and tinkered with, and I'm not convinced that it's a hardware fault anyway!
so, he's offered to look into it further - asked me to create a new pop3 account tonight and said he will phone me daily to see what happens until it vanishes again. not sure what this will achieve, but if i'm reluctant to send it to them to open up, and he's not seen it before, then what else can he do, I s'pose
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Its a start. I'm wondering if using a different email tool will help at all...?

email accounts lost
Tell him that probably the "cemail.vol" database is corrupt (thanks to wm5!). I will try to move it to the SD card by changing the registry path. Search Goocle for "cemail.vol corrupt".

I'm pretty sure this is a 'feature' of WM5 and will happen on all devices. Settings/registry changes stay in RAM for the first few minutes before passing into ROM. So if you soft reset while its still in RAM then you lose it.

Activesync error

Finally I have a proper error with Active sync, and it's been going on for a couple of days now. No matter what I do it's screwed!
Problem is that when trying to sync with my home or work PC's, my JasJar freezes once the contacts have gone across - only a soft reset does anything, so obviously the rest of my syncing can't be done...
If I untick "Contacts" then the other information - Calendar, Files, Tasks, Notes, Favourites - sync perfectly.
Ok, I've tried all of the following to fix this:
a) Soft Resets
b) Removing all Partnerships from both PC's and JasJar
c) Hard Resets
d) Re-flashing the ROM
e) Completely uninstalling Activesync and reinstalling 4.1 on both PC's (including removing all registry settings, profiles, rapi.dll, etc)
f) Removing pim.vol to force a new one to be created
g) Rebuilding my Outlook .pst and mapi.dll files, and importing my contacts from a .csv file to ensure there's no rubbish in there.
Having done all that I have now moved all of my Outlook "Contacts" into another Outlook folder (called - rather unimaginatively - "Contacts 2"). I have connected via a clean Activesync install which has successfully synced all Outlook information (including my empty contacts folder).
I have then started copying each contact back into my original "Contacts" folder one by one...After copying a single contact, Activesync kicks in and synchronises with my JasJar. All good so far, second contact syncs correctly, third, fourth, etc. Then after copying in the 24th contact I get the following error message:
"Synchronisation could not be completed. Try again later.
Support code:80070008"
My question is...What the hell does that mean!? Neither Google, nor microsoft.com have come up with anything helpful on this subject, so does anyone here have any bright ideas, or maybe suggestions on a different approach I could take to sort this problem out, short of formatting my hard drives!?!

get the latest activesync 4.1 maybe??

sorry didn,t read the post good 8)

Hey Sub69,
This is definately a funny error and one which I think might only be solved with a ROM update, not the same ROM you have but a new one of a different version.
It appears you are the only one with such a problem as there are no others mentioning anything so strange. The fact you can sync some items shows it's not a connection issue. But to be sure check that you have followed this http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/help/activesync/default.mspx and have all PORTS open?
Also you hint at 'e' that you have 2 PC's? Is this corrent and if so what are the OS's on them? And when you get to the 24th contact does it fail no matter who the 24th contact is?
Gavin.

sub69 said:
g) Rebuilding my Outlook .pst and mapi.dll files, and importing my contacts from a .csv file to ensure there's no rubbish in there.
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From your description, it sounds like corruption in the contacts records.
1) By "rebuilding", are you saying that you created a totally new .PST file, before importing data from the .csv file?
2) Did you also check (and repair) the .PST with ScanPST.exe. Typically you'll find it in the path:
"C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\MSMAPI\1033\"
last part will change depending upon the language.
3) As GavinN said, would be interested in knowing if your 24th contact is always the same one, and what happens if you manually create the 24th contact rather than copying it.
4) what happens if you export just the contacts and then import those into a new profile (new .PST file). Can somebody else correctly import and sync with those contacts?

Well, I tried the whole process again, and it allowed me to gt past the 24th contact, so it's not specifically a problem with that contact. In fact, if I reset my device, delete all partnerships, and connect again, it will sync those contacts straight away with no problems. I can then start copying the next lot, one by one, from "Contacts 2" to Contacts, and it'll sync them to my Jasjar, before giving the same error down near the 50th contact. I can then do the same thing again, etc, etc. So I now actually have all of my contacts on my phone. Not the most elegant of solutions, and there's clearly something quite wrong, but it'll do for the weekend, until I can be bothered to figure out something more permanent.
I have a second problem now, in that my Calendar items keep disappearing from my JasJar for no apparent reason. They sync fine, as I mentioned earlier, but if I leave Activesync connected, it kicks in about five minutes after the initial sync, and removes all calendar items, whether they have been entered on the PC or the device. This is clearly getting ridiculous! I'm going to have to put a bit of time and thought into this, but it'll probably have to wait until Monday, otherwise I'll be in trouble with the wife for wasting a weekend!
BTW, I did scan the .pst, when that didn't work I created a new one. Extracting the contacts to .csv and importing them alone into a new .pst before syncing gives the same error. I am now using the latest version of ActiveSync 4.1, although I was previously using AS 4.0 when this problem started. And I'm 99.9% certain that I completely removed absolutely everything AS related in between the two versions.
I think my next plan is going to have to be to completely erase all data, and input it all manually into a fresh .pst. Can't see why this would be any different from importing it from a .csv, but I'm rapidly running out of ideas. The most annoying thing is that this randomly happened in the only week since owning my JasJar where I haven't installed or uninstalled ANY software, changed a setting, or anything! Just as it was all pretty much perfect, look what goes and happens!

Ok, I now feel like a complete idiot, but at least I know what the problem was.
Smartfilter 1.3 is a fantastic piece of software, but it appears that if you keep it running in the background while trying to sync, then your sync won't work (obviously something to do with the way that it loads the contacts)
I could have sworn this was one of the first things I'd tried when I started having this problem, but obviously not...
In case anyone else comes across this problem, here's your answer...At least now you won't have to reset and reflash your device a hundred million times, and destroy / rebuild Outlook and ActiveSync like I did

I'm using smartfilter 1.3 & didn't face that problem while syncing, but mine is Dopod 900. Maybe because of different ROM... just guessing...

I take it back.....I spoke too soon. It synced once, now it's doing the same thing again. :evil:
Aaaaaaaaaaargh! I've even flashed the latest O2 ROM to my JasJar out of desperation, and it's still doing the same thing! This would be funny if it wasn't so frustrating. It was all working perfectly until last week...Why me!?

I've had the same problem once i think. I dont remember what I did that time to get the same error code you posted though. But I restarted my pc and I was able to sync again. I hope i wont face that same problem again... Goodluck...hope you can sync soon...

Well, I can now sync...I'm still having the same problem when there are a few changes (~25+) to sync accross in one go, but if I kill all running processes with "pocket task manager" and remove all plugins from my today screen, it works flawlessly.
So, it's still not back to normal, but it'll do for now...
Just to wrap this up:
I exported my e-mail to a new pst file, and everything else to .csv,
Opened the csv's in Excel to get rid of any extraneous data,
Started again with a blank pst file on my Win2K machine and imported everything to it,
Synced everything to my JasJar,
Started again with a blank pst file on my WinXP machine,
Synced everything from my JasJar to my XP machine,
All ok now.
Edit: Wow, this is an old post! People are still having very similar problems in the Kaiser forum though, and the solution is still the same. So just wanted to say, if you searched and found this as an answer, don't discount it just because of the age!

i know this is old but i had the same problem, i fixed the problem by doing the following steps
START -> SETTINGS -> SYSTEM -> MEMORY -> RUNNING PROGRAMS -> STOP ALL
did active sync again and it worked fine.
my device is an IMATE Kjam, running the MR CLEAN ROM, 2.3 i think,
hope this helps someone.
Cheers

Connecting to Activesync but not able to Sync
Hi,
I am having a strange problem with Active Sync.
When I plug in my mobile with USB and use active sync. it does not synchornise.
I have tried all the options liek chaning schedule, changing the settings and diabling advanced network functionality still I am not able to make the diamond synchronise.
Finally, I download the active sync. 4.5 even then my problem remains the same.
It always shows the message "connected" and fails to synchronise.
Second, i tried copying music files to my diamond and it did not ask for any conversion to mobile format which was not the case before
thanks for any help..
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Hello,
I'm having a problem syncing my contacts and such. I get an error message stating that I have to install Outlook and retry. I have searched both pcs and they both have outlook on them. Any I deas? I'm using Tomal 8.2 ROM and a work box with XP PRO.
Thanks in Advance.

I appreciate the replies and I will try them out when I get back to shore and will report them here.

Problems with Windows Live

Had a strange problem with Windows live on my Touch Dual. I've previously had it working perfectly. I don't use messenger that much but I love having my hotmail integrated into my phone's inbox.
Recently I noticed that it had stopped syncing. I tried forcing it a few times (ie. clicking on send/receive) but it instantly came back with 'Sync failed'. My first go at fixing it (after trying a soft reset) was to switch account, assuming that I could effectively just reload all my messages without reinstalling. However, once it had wiped all my current messages, it wouldn't let me sign in again. I entered my password, clicked next and nothing happened.
Right, I thought, a reinstall is needed. So I dug out the installation exe and ran it. However, I kept getting a message saying something like 'Installation of windowslive.cab was unsuccessful' with no further details.
I didn't want to hard reset but it looked like it was my only option. So having done a full hard reset, I tried installing and got the same problem - 'Installation unsuccessful'.
This is so frustrating. It was working perfectly before and now I can't even install the damn app. I was starting to wonder if Orange had somehow updated my phone without me knowing to block Windows Live, but as so many other people don't have a problem it can't be that.
I saw the thing about the 30 day trial and wondered if it was connected, but again I thought I can't be the only one.
Help please! I want my hotmail back!
Cheers!

Try to delete saved password and retype then.
Let me know.

Unfortunately, I now don't have the app installed and the problem is that the phone won't let me reinstall.
Can't understand why it won't install onto a freshly hard reset device. Something must have changed!

Where is Live Messenger?
I've got the Orange handset and can't find messenger anywhere so I tried the cab install as per my Trinity but it doesn't work!!!
I neeeed it - what now?

same problem
Hi everybody, I had exactly the same problem a few days ago. Until now I did three hard resets, but in vain :-( Once I finllay manegd to install the client, but configuring it didn´t work. After "Login to Windows live" the setup stopped. Then, I de-installed win live and after that no more installing was possible. Very strange..... NO, I didn´t change anything on the hardware, no roms, no radios, nothing. Any ideas out there ?
Thanks !

Maybe something has changed on the server end?
Try the attached .cab - it works for me:

still no chance... :-(
GlenH said:
Maybe something has changed on the server end?
Try the attached .cab - it works for me:
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Thanks for your help, but it doesn´t install. It says "installation failed". Any idea ?

None I'm afraid. If you've hard reset I can't see any reason for it to not install

no Windows Live since 30 June
Having the same problem-- no Hotmail sync since 30 June, can't connect to Windows Live Messenger. Tried deleting Windows Live and reinstalling various versions, to no avail. I always get an error message that the installation was unsuccessful. I tried a hard reset, tried reverting to a backup from months ago, but nothing works. No Windows Live.
There is a brief discussion of the issue on this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2315295. It's hard to believe there aren't more people commenting on this problem. Is it unique to those of us who are using the standard WM 6.0 ROM? Until this gets sorted out, can anyone recommend another stable, reliable (and preferably free) Windows Live Messenger client?

personally I have been using Parlingo http://www.palringo.com for my mobile messaging client. seems to do the job well and with the added bonus of PTT it means I dont need to type to people.

working version of Windows Live but no IM
The version of Windows Live on this page http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/mobile/wl/languages-en-us.mspx is working on my Kaiser, but they have removed Windows Live Messenger from the package. :-(
Edit: the cab from this page is now working too http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1281625&postcount=4. It does contain Messenger. Perhaps the problem is now solved and all the old versions are working again?

i had the same problem go to http://www.ppcwarez.org and search for windows live and choose the one the has fixed in brackets
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HD2 Losing Passwords & Account Details

I have a problem with my HD2 forgeting passwords and account details for a number of apps and system settings. Now I know the Facebook login has been mentioned on another thread (although not sorted), but my HD2 is also fogetting the following after every soft reset or flat battery etc: -
Data Connection. It needs to be set as if it is the first time I have used the phone
Email. It forgets the passwords for the accounts, the download schedule/settings, and the signatures etc
Wi-Fi. Forgets all keys
Other Apps. Forgets passwords, and Facebook will never remember the details even though I check the remember my details box.
If this has been covered and I have missed it my apologies, but I can't find a thread, and if there has been I would be greatful for a link to it.
This problem is really causing me a headache at the moment. This (as always) seems to happen just at a crucial moment at work when I am in the middle of something and I have to soft reset; that would be enough of a pain usually, but now I have to reset the data, add the settings to my email accounts, re-enter wi-fi key, change my signature.....
I have been thinking that a hard reset might fix this, but thought I would ask on here first because I am not looking forward to the prospect of re-instiing my Tom Tom and everything else.
Thanks.

I've started getting the Facebook app problem in the last day or so, why won't it remember me?!?!

Losing email and data settings
Searched but can't find a solution to this problem, It's just started to happen to me on a 6 month old phone. Can't see anything I've altered in the last few days. Did OP find a solution?

The problem stopped and has not happened since. I did not find a solution, it just seemed to sort itself out.

OK. Thanks for the reply, will see if mine resolves itself

any idea of a fix for this problem?

Swype keyboard when installed sometimes has a tendency to wipe the passwords.

i found disabling sense and installing spb mobile shell fixed this issue for me. prior to that it was brutal. hard reset after hard reset.
jason

didn't get this problem in a while already.
I have this funny theory that MAY be true or not: if you need to softreset, before doing that make sure that all the applications that use those data are closed.
i.e., before softreset close with a task manager pocket outlook mail, and wireless properties if they're open

ephestione said:
didn't get this problem in a while already.
I have this funny theory that MAY be true or not: if you need to softreset, before doing that make sure that all the applications that use those data are closed.
i.e., before softreset close with a task manager pocket outlook mail, and wireless properties if they're open
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indeed, it is not a theory. the key-db is shared between apps (at least the one for wifi+activesync keys), and a softreset may corrupt it.

ephestione said:
didn't get this problem in a while already.
I have this funny theory that MAY be true or not: if you need to softreset, before doing that make sure that all the applications that use those data are closed.
i.e., before softreset close with a task manager pocket outlook mail, and wireless properties if they're open
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I agree. My HD2 has had this problem (again!!!) for the last couple of days now, and it seemed to start when the phone locked out and I had to remove the battery to reset.
And this time I decided to stop attempting to fix it and just bite the bullet and do a hard reset with the stock rom, which did nothing. Yesterday I changed rom to Energyrom and it still hasn't fixed it. Surely a hard reset/rom change should fix this issue?
Anyway taking the positives, forcing me to hard reset made me try a custom rom for the first time
Has anyone put in a complaint to HTC regarding this? I can put up with most niggles using WM/HTC, but losing exchange details and email account passwords all day is beyond a joke for business users.