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Firstly, id like to say I like the device... its pretty sleek, but I am having some problems.
1. The battery inductor is rather strange. Its showing 100%, and its not going down... I got Wifi running for the past 20 mins.... its still 100%. If thats true.... thats gotta be the best battery I ever had, but somehow I doubt thats the case.
2. I cant sync Avantgo. It just randomly interrupts in mid-sync (usb), or doesn't even start syncing at all (via Wifi).
Also... is there a way to not install the extended rom? I remember not installing it on a Jamin increased speeds, since it came with a lot of useless software. Is that the case with the p3600?
Hi
What colour did you buy? if black r you getting any peeling etc?
Black.... I got it 5 hours ago, so I cant say.
yeah, the battery status is different from other devices(WM5 characteristic?), the bar has steps of 10% instead of 1%, a 91% charge is displayed as 100%, 87 as 90% and so on.
iantaylor27: mine is black and still hasn't peeled, 3,5wks.
As for the ext rom, I believe a soft-reset as soon as you see the countdown will prevent the installation.
Naw, the battery status isnt because of WM5. My Jamin was showing the battery in steps of 1% and was very accurate. Ive also noticed some heating issues... when I got wifi blasting, the back of the device heats up quite a bit, and if I set the Wifi mode to max performance, its even hotter. How much Wifi usage time do you usually get? I managed to kill the battery in about 1.5 hours with wifi running playing with my new phoneand morphgear emulating a GBA rom at the same time.
Mine has been one for 3.5 hours now where it is connected to my wifi and checks mail regulary (once every 5 mins.). Still has 30% of the battery left.
When I use an ftp client to fetch larger files to my trinity I do however both feel the increase in heat and see that it uses the battery a bit faster.
kimusan said:
Mine has been one for 3.5 hours now where it is connected to my wifi and checks mail regulary (once every 5 mins.). Still has 30% of the battery left.
When I use an ftp client to fetch larger files to my trinity I do however both feel the increase in heat and see that it uses the battery a bit faster.
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While surfing with Wifi, my Trinity seems to use about the same amount of battery as my Prophet, in other words, it lasts for hours and hours. I'd have to surf all day long to burn up a fresh battery. I've never used up the battery in one day.
I bought a new HTC P3600 2 weeks ago.
It went with WM5 but I flashed it to WM6 (US AX3L 2.0.8.1 ROM).
I installed all my applications, and tested everything (phone, camera, GPS, WiFi...etc).
=> Wonderful ! Everything works as it should (a little miracle !)...
But: the only thing I noticed (I don't know if it's a bug) concerns the battery meter.
I'm using SPB Pocket plus to display the meter on the Today screen, but the "internal" WM6 system battery meter displays the same value, so, the problem doesn't come from SPB PP.
When I unpacked the device (coming from the factory), the battery was showing 40% of charge. After 2-3 hours, it climbed to 100%. Fine.
But since, it's ALWAYS showing 100% !!!
2 possibilities:
- the battery management is excellent and it doesn't loose much power. Strange, because phone, GPS or WiFi are usually power-consuming applications, and my old HP iPaq hx2410 was easily loosing 10% by quarter hour of heavy use...
- the battery meter is inaccurate.
Just one time, I noticed (after having worked on battery during the day, and after a soft-reset), the meter was showing 90%. I connected the USB cable, and after some minutes (too short in my opinion to charge the missing 10%), the meter was at 100% again.
So, it's like if the meter was only moving by 10% steps.
Therefore, when it's striclty over 90%, it show 100%, whatever it's really at 91% or at 99%. When it shows 90%, that should then mean the power is between 81% and 90%.
Strange behaviour. It's the very first PDA I know acting like this !
Is it just an impression or is it the reality ?
Can't I improve the meter precision ?
Thanks in advance.
The battery meter does move in 10% increments on this device,
Cheers,
Danny
Hi all:
i know i have been braging lately a lot on the forums about the battery issue after upgrade to wm6.
BUT- after actually surfing the net for like 2 weeks non stop, i found on several sites a solution which i think would end this "IF" someone has it.
Theoritical Explanation:
it's said that when upgrading to wm6 the battery has to be atleast 50% charged "this is wrong" .
battery has to be 100% charged because for example:
if your battery is say 60% and you upgraded to wm6, the new ROM will mark the 60% as your 100% battery hence why it drains so fast.
that's why you need to charge to 100% first before upgrade BUT the only way to make sure the battery is really at 100% is to remove it and charge it in the cradle separetly until the lid on cradle changes from amber to green.
after that put the battery in your BA and start the RE-upgrade if you are on wm6 already or Upgrade if you are on wm5 or wm2003SE.
you should notice the difference, i'm currently testing it for the 2nd time, to make sure it is the right solution.
P.S. am only a noob so excuse me for the unorganised post.
Pls someone test this aswell
Regards
The battery charge level has nothing to do with the OS, its part dependent.
If i get you right, what are you saying is "if the battery level is 60% on flashing, the new OS will take 60% as being the 100%(maximum) level of what the battery can go".
I think that's wrong.
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The battery charge level has nothing to do with the OS, its part dependent.
If i get you right, what are you saying is "if the battery level is 60% on flashing, the new OS will take 60% as being the 100%(maximum) level of what the battery can go".
I think that's wrong.
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yes, hence why the battery and BA gets to warm or hot while charging as it cannot exceed the 60% mark which is marked as 100%.
i think it's the only logical explanation
Any battery get warm or hot on charge (or one some type of charge, like car charge).
I may say b*** s***, but after upgrading to WM6, my battery is acting as in WM2003; some software (like HTC home) is draining more, but nothing isn't abnormal; i still get with a 2400 mA a normal day of BA use (PDA+phone).
DANDANA said:
Any battery get warm or hot on charge (or one some type of charge, like car charge).
I may say b*** s***, but after upgrading to WM6, my battery is acting as in WM2003; some software (like HTC home) is draining more, but nothing isn't abnormal; i still get with a 2400 mA a normal day of BA use (PDA+phone).
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the ting is my battery was working very good before upgrade with wm5 and wm2003SE but after wm6 this happened, andnever had i get the battery and BA so very hot like ths.
i finished the re-upgrade after charging battery and it's draining is much better, dropped in 1.30 hours 50% but still getting much draining, it used to drain to zero in 1 hour
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the ting is my battery was working very good before upgrade with wm5 and wm2003SE but after wm6 this happened, andnever had i get the battery and BA so very hot like ths.
i finished the re-upgrade after charging battery and it's draining is much better, dropped in 1.30 hours 50% but still getting much draining, it used to drain to zero in 1 hour
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Did you disables infrared on the new install? This might take some extra power.
nothing wrong with the OS , i believe it's a psycho matter maybe ??? my battery was 94% charged .. i took the device and went on a trip .. 4 hours with TCMP on listening to Mp3s .. i went back home after 5 hours it was 53%. Sounds good for me. 1450mAh and i charge it every 2 days with normal consumption. Maybe ur batteries are getting old because with No plugins installed it's just as good as WM2003SE.
Battery status - Its possible
ahassouna might be onto something. Logically I know this sounds unlikely. However I recall exactly the same point occuring in the smartphone forums when an OS upgrade came about. It was common knowledge that for the HTC smartphone you should have you battery fully charged when doing it. It was widely tested in the forums - www.modaco.com and generally accepted back then that for best perfromance your battery should be 100% when upgrading. BTW - in my opinion this is the best ROM ever released for BA - big thanks and respect to Helmi!
if it's so you never come back after upgrading with non fully charged battery.
I think that's wrong.
Emm let's say u were right, so i assume that the OS wont determine the correct battery level. So logically, when u get a 0% , the battery is shown as empty while it is not. So if u think a bit , when the OS indicates that the battery is empty, it shouldnt turn itself off because in fact IT IS NOT. So if you get ur device to turn itself off without being able to power on again , that means that the OS was right and it was 0% for real. ( Correct me if i'm wrong )
as the Matter of fact, wm6 is slightly 'heavier' than wm2003, it contains more drivers and stuffs. so it will consume lot More resource than wm2003. I think battery draining also closely related to the read/writing speed of your sdcard, how big the capacity...
My SX66 drains equally under all three OS's, Though I must admit I quickly upgraded from WM2003SE to WM2005. Ran WM2005 for almost a full year, good battery drain, WM2006 seems to drain the same thus far
I would have a look at your battery, there cheap to replace on ebay and such.
Slide2Unlock
Do you use Slide2Unlock? I confirmed that the software was draining battery faster especially ver 1.216. I uninstalled it and my battery back to normal.
I hope it helps.
I don't believe that would cause any problems...the OS is independent of the battery. Anyway, my battery use is only slightly higher in WM6 than WM5.
Your battery can be at any level when you upgrade the ROM...I really cannot see how the OS would "read" the status of the battery and set that as the 100% level.
Try running your battery down to something below 50%, then reflash your ROM...now what does the battery meter show? I bet it shows the same as before you flashed it, below 50%.
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Do you use Slide2Unlock? I confirmed that the software was draining battery faster especially ver 1.216. I uninstalled it and my battery back to normal.
I hope it helps.
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i double that
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I don't believe that would cause any problems...the OS is independent of the battery. Anyway, my battery use is only slightly higher in WM6 than WM5.
Your battery can be at any level when you upgrade the ROM...I really cannot see how the OS would "read" the status of the battery and set that as the 100% level.
Try running your battery down to something below 50%, then reflash your ROM...now what does the battery meter show? I bet it shows the same as before you flashed it, below 50%.
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Yes. In fact every battery has a internal chip for charge controll and status level. OS reads the status of the battery by this chip.
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Do you use Slide2Unlock? I confirmed that the software was draining battery faster especially ver 1.216. I uninstalled it and my battery back to normal.
I hope it helps.
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no i don't use it, i finished flashing for the 3rd time with a "3rd battery" Still same problem BUT draiing is less than before but still 1-2 hours max without any calls and drops to zero.
am begining to think my BA went razy for some reason.
P.S. i have no apps or anything installed other than flashing the ROM.
My BA drains normally. I have 2-4 days of standby with occasional calls and usage. The backlight auto-closes in 30 seconds, the power goes off in 1 minute.
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no i don't use it, i finished flashing for the 3rd time with a "3rd battery" Still same problem BUT draiing is less than before but still 1-2 hours max without any calls and drops to zero.
am begining to think my BA went razy for some reason.
P.S. i have no apps or anything installed other than flashing the ROM.
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Can u retest it on a WM2003SE ? i think maybe a short circuit with ur device or whatsoever
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Yes. In fact every battery has a internal chip for charge controll and status level. OS reads the status of the battery by this chip.
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Exactly...so the first post is wrong...the OS reads the status of the battery and it doesn't matter what charge status the battery is at when you reflash...the battery status circuit will show the proper charge percentage...
Trying to figure out 1) cause of battery drain and 2) poor power mgmt.
I had a fully charged phone yesterday at 5pm, leaving work.
When I tried to turn it on this morning it was completely, completely drained.
I have 4min timeouts set on the phone for backlight off, and 5min for device off when on battery. I had WiFi tuned off, Bluetooth on.
I did have Wayfinder and GPS active on the way home, and may have just turned off the phone. If I turn off the phone with Wayfinder active, would this continue to drain the battery, GPS reception is passive, is it not ???
How come the battery drained to such an exent, it took 5 min on a charger before it would even power up, from a full reset and WM load.
My old XDA would hibernate at low battery percentage, and still have a reserve charge to keep the phone content/settings intact.
Any views, suggestions.
Peter
When I first got my x1 end of last year, I found I only got around 6 hours out of a battery.
Now I get about 36 hours of normal use out of one charge. Including 1 hour of gps each day/ half hour of wifi.
What worked for me was to, reduce back light time to 10 seconds when standalone. I also found S2U unlock drained the battery, so I now use the standard unlock.
Also, ensure that no auto updates (only manual) are done e.g SPB weather, insight RSS etc.
I have also changed my battery to a Mugen 1800 mAh. This seems to have increased my time by around 25% on average use.
S2U2 no longer drains my battery, one of the old versions did and so did the old version of AE Button but they are both good now, I get min of 2 days and max of about 5 depending on load of use... normal use is about 3... (internet for emails and dling rss feeds and some reading of forums 1 hour, reading books/texts about 4-5 hours and listening about 2hours plus calls and texts is a normal day for me...)
GPS does drain your battery pretty quick though...
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I did have Wayfinder and GPS active on the way home, and may have just turned off the phone. If I turn off the phone with Wayfinder active, would this continue to drain the battery, GPS reception is passive, is it not ???
Peter
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There is no poor power management in there.
It is all because of wayfinder. GPS is still active if you leave Wayfinder active all the time and it will drain the battery supoerfat.
Try closing Wayfinder and you will what I am talking about.
I found out that any Battery applications greatly reduces my (juridically - my wife's) X1i lifetime.
AFAIK to measure any battery charge you need to short circuit it for a millisecond or so and measure the current, not the voltage. When any Battery software does it (through the hardware) every few seconds your battery looses its charge faster.
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I found out that any Battery applications greatly reduces my (juridically - my wife's) X1i lifetime.
AFAIK to measure any battery charge you need to short circuit it for a millisecond or so and measure the current, not the voltage. When any Battery software does it (through the hardware) every few seconds your battery looses its charge faster.
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I am running Home++ and its fairly decent as far as drain goes... I dont notice much more than when its not running...
Tks for all your feedback.
I am fairly ok with normal use and battery life.
In this particular instance the drain happened so fast, overnight, and I was not using the X1 at all. (or so I thought so).
So I am curious to know what caused the rapid drain, and why the X1 does not have a more controlled low power close down.
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Tks for all your feedback.
I am fairly ok with normal use and battery life.
In this particular instance the drain happened so fast, overnight, and I was not using the X1 at all. (or so I thought so).
So I am curious to know what caused the rapid drain, and why the X1 does not have a more controlled low power close down.
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I have already explained. It was the GPS application that drained the battery, nothing else.
Just as a test try leaving it for as few hours running again and you will see.
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I do have the same effect. but I do not use GPS or wifi at all.
Sometimes it put the phone down, screen disabled and fully charged. No application running.
Next morning the battery is dead.
It happens about once every two weeks without any sign why...
My solution: I bought a desktop charger which is able to charge a second battery and simply exchange it, when this happens again.
Not ideal - but right now we seem to have to life with it.
do you have an old version of S2U2 or AE Button plus on your phone? And I have also read that batti used to cause drain problems... this might be the case with yours(?) if you have none of these installed then I am of not much help...
If u use Push email or active sync, Google sync Hotmail sync any Email sync on arrivel option ur battery will only last 5hours cause the phone is using mobile web at all times and constantly sending and recieving, turn it off an ur phone will last over 19hours with out charge... EG i turned my email sync off at 10am an the batt level was 60% didnt charge it till next day 11am when the batt levels drop to 20%
Is your X1 fairly new?
I experienced exactly this issue about a week after I bought my X1. No apparent reason for it, but the battery just drained right out overnight.
Strangely, the same thing happend about a week after I bought a HTC Touch Pro.
In both instances it has happened only the one time. Since then things have been normal, or drains caused by known software issues (like the buggy version of S2U2).
As earlier suggested, I loaded the Wayfinder app, with its GPS active.
I tuned off the phone when the app was on screen.
Left it for 3 hours, and there was a noticeable drain of the battery.
Lets hope the new WM 6.5 improves Power Mgmt, and has a more elegant low power handling.
Do you have G-Alarm installed? My Battery gets drained very fast when I have this installed. I tried many different versions within the last few month, allways the same.
I experienced this last night for the first time with my X1. I left the X1 on the bedside table at 11:30 with 90% charge and was awakened by the battery low alarm at 6:30 am (not good).
The only thing that I noticed that was unusual was that my X1 had been connected to the PC with ActiveSync in the connected state. I shut down the PC and then unplugged the X1. In the morning after the battery low alarm I noticed that the phone thought it was still connected. I use SPB Phone Suite and it was still showing the Cradle profile. This would not change in the automatic mode so I had to reboot the phone. Everything has been fine since.
So ... I am wondering if ActiveSync can sometimes go crazy and drain the battery more quickly??
I have a faster draining battery since i installed g-alarm. can anyone confirm that?
In my case I dont have G-Alarm installed.
Well my battery is not draining that seriously. it's ok i guess.
But maybe you should try what is suggested in the last post of this thread:
http://www.xperiax1.net/forum/x1-problems-issues/2113-another-kind-battery-drain.html
Deep discharge my X1-battery just almost doubled my battery life in average
Seafal said:
I have a faster draining battery since i installed g-alarm. can anyone confirm that?
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I have been using G-Alarm since the very moment I got my X1 and there is no noticeable battery drain. Lasts 3-4days.
Hello,
Sir like many others, I too have a battery problem with my SPV M3100
The battery always shows it's status in the 10s. Which means like..
90%, 80%, 70%, ...
It never shows up something else then tens which is not really good.
The second problem. If the battery is 100% charged, I open WIFI in few seconds it will drain to 90% and 80% and then 70%.. It drains really very fast. I know that WIFI eats up the battery but not like 10% in 1 minute???
Third problem, If I keep my mobile 100% battery on stand by mode and I don't get a call. After 24 hours I go and see it will show and battery left 100%. But if I go and do a small task in mobile, it will drain like 30% in once. That is quite ammazing I have never played on music so can't say how much it drains while playing music on hands free.
Overall on standby mode, the battery lasts like 3 to 4 days. But if you use it for even a small thing, it drains really fast and battery was dead.
Please help, I think this all is not normal, Radio version can be the reason of this???
Thank you very much
Faisal
i have too this problem, if you find any way for solve this plz help me
I have the same problem..
Even when I go online with GPRS/3G/UMTS/HSDPA..
Does the problem come from the battery?
My battery has UTSTARCOM text on the battery. How about you?
EDIT : You need to flash a ROM with a 1% increment fix, it's because the stock/official ROM has 10% increment battery meter, I don't know why.. And my battery drains very fast because I have over-charging it.. I leave my Hermes charging overnight when I'm sleeping, and it leads to over-charging.. You need to unplug the charging cable when the charging complete ASAP..
I have the same problem on my Spv m3100. The power meter deplete at 10% increments. Unlike my HTC TyTyn 2 - Kaiser this shows actual units.