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I'm confused about network settings in my Exec (but I guess this question applies to all WM devices).
What's the functional difference between My Work Network and My ISP? When I'm browsing WiFi networks and a new one is discovered, the notification says:
"Wireless Node 2" network connects me to:
O The Internet (or work via a VPN)
O Work
What's the correct answer? Why do I have a choice? In some cases I'll want the WiFi network to allow me to only access the Internet and in other cases (like the WiFi networks in my house) I want to be able to access the Internet AND browse files on other PCs + use Terminal Services. Should these situations require different settings or are they essentially the same?
Second question: If I'm using a program that needs an internet connection, what settings must I choose to ensure that the system uses WiFi if it can, and then GPRS only if WiFi isn't available? I've changed the option in Settings > Connections > Connections > Advanced > Select Networks so that both drop-down boxes show 'My Work Network' (since I don't want to choose a default of My ISP - i.e. GPRS - for network activity if a WiFi connection is available) but now I can't seem to find any GPRS connection options. How do you all connect to GPRS manually? If I tap the signal status icon at the top of the screen I have no 'Connect GPRS' option like I did on my XDA2.
I'm confused by it all. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide, especially links to pages with how-to guides for idiots
PS. Tried searching these forums, but the subject is too generic and there are hundreds of results.
Hi
In my opinion WM2003SE's handling of connections is horrible. I understand you, being confused.
I'll decribe WM2003SE way...
Your exec has WM2005, but as far as I know, the rules are similar.
The general difference between "Internet" and "Work" is that connection set as "internet" allows you to surf web and give your program access to internet. While connections set as "work" should be used only when you connect to your home/office network (and optionally internet).
About disappearing "Connect GPRS". It's pain in the ass really
You can create as many "connection profiles" as you want (like "My ISP" "My Work Network" "My other freakin' ISP" "Etc")
Then you add some connections to certain profile....
eg.: create gprs connection (named "O2 GPRS inet" for internet in "my ISP" profile.
That means that when you change default Internet profile to "My other freakin' ISP", you won't be able to use "O2 GPRS inet"...
Ok.. answering your first, main question.
If you want to use inet, browse shared folders and use Terminal Services you should edit "My work network" properties and check "This network connects me to the Internet".
When at home. Select (in settings->connections->connections) "My work network" for both auto internet and auto private network.
When roaming around, you should change auto inet to "My ISP" which will have a configured GPRS connection inside.
Your phone will use Wifi first (before GPRS) when activated and available.
OMG.. my fingers hurt.
Have fun fighting with WM
Thanks for your reply, robal. It's a big help but I'm still not 100% sure of the situation.
robal said:
The general difference between "Internet" and "Work" is that connection set as "internet" allows you to surf web and give your program access to internet. While connections set as "work" should be used only when you connect to your home/office network (and optionally internet).
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But I want both types to connect to the Internet. I still don't really see the difference. Does My Work Network apply to connections for which a VPN is necessary? If I choose 'The Internet' as the option when connecting to a new WiFi network, will that change any aspect of the way in which the connection works? Perhaps I should just try it and see. Trouble is, if I screw it up I'll never be able to get it working again!
robal said:
If you want to use inet, browse shared folders and use Terminal Services you should edit "My work network" properties and check "This network connects me to the Internet".
When at home. Select (in settings->connections->connections) "My work network" for both auto internet and auto private network.
When roaming around, you should change auto inet to "My ISP" which will have a configured GPRS connection inside.
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Perhaps I'm expecting the impossible. I want to set it up and forget about it, so that wherever I am my device can access the Internet. If I'm connected to a WiFi network then that's the connection but if not then it dials up GPRS automatically when a program demands a connection.
Does everybody else use robal's method and change the settings depending on the availability of a friendly WiFi access point?
If this is the case then Windows Mobile has a long way to go before the connectivity is seamless...
I was largely having probs connecting to 02's 3G network as I couldn't find the settings.. now I kind of understand. Kind of.
--O2 Contract 3G settings--
Name of connection: O2 Internet
Select a modem: Cellular Line (GPRS, 3G)
Access Point Name: mobile.02.co.uk
Username: mobileweb
password: *** (it was prefilled for me..)
Advanced Button should be set to auto-assign IPs
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With regards the original post, I have mine setup so that if I connect to my local WiFi, then I get the internet through that. If I disconnect, or not in range, etc, then it will use the 3G settings.
I'm still a little in the dark with regards WM5.0s handling of network connections, but here's what I think is right:
Start > Settings > Connections Tab > Connections
[Tasks Tab]
You can only have *2* active connections
You can have multiple profiles under each connection.
So, I renamed my O2 Internet connection to something other than "My ISP", I chose "O2 3G Network" to make things a tiny bit less confusing. (This is the network with your 3G settings in as above.)
The second option I renamed to "My Wireless Network", and as far as I can tell, you do not need to change anything in there - unless you want to add VPN information.
[Advanced Tab]
Click "Select Networks"
Here you can choose between your 2 active connections. For the top option I chose "O2 3G Network", the second option "My Wireless Network".
Click OK
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Now you have two networks setup. Open Internet Explorer..
If you do not have WiFi switched on, it should automagically dial your "O2 3G Network" when you start browsing.
If you're at home, or near a WiFi network, switch it on by holding your stylus on the "U" in the taskbar. This should give you the option to switch on WiFi.
A few handshakes later (this took about 2-3 mins to actually connect to my WiFi) and your "U" should change to the WiFi antenna icon.
*Check you have fully connected to WiFi before browsing!*
Do this by again, holding the stylus on the antenna icon and checking that your WiFi name is displayed, along with the signal strength.
*If you try to browse the web before your WiFi is ready, it will just attempt to dial O2 3G Network!* - Patience is required...
So, whether this answers the original post or not, I mean, it isn't exactly Automatic, but I guess if you leave WiFi switched on, then in theory it will use it, else it will dial your 3G network.
Well, thats my brain dump for my own benefit, hope it helps out others.
That will be very helpful, thanks gaspx. I'll try your suggestions later on and let you know how I get on.
So with those settings when your Exec finds a new wireless network and invites you to set up your connection, which do you choose? "The Internet" or "Work"? I think :?: that those two options are independent of your renaming of "My ISP" to "O2 3G Network"...
I guess I can get it set up right like you have, but I hate not understanding this. It should be so simple but it's not!
"The Internet" or "Work"? I think that those two options are independent of your renaming of "My ISP" to "O2 3G Network"...
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Yes, they are independant and are accessible when you choose Start > Settings > Connections Tab > Network Cards
Then select Network Adaptors tab.
What I'm not fully understanding is how these two options differ(!):
For instance, I have a static IP address on my WiFi, so I choose Network Adaptor Profile "Work", then configure "tiacxwin Compatible Wireless Ethernet" and enter in my static IP and DNS etc..
What I would *expect* to be able to do is choose between "Work" profile and have my static IP, or "The Internet" profile, and have dynamic IP.
But it doesn't appear to work that way.. if I add static IP address, it uses it for both Work and The Internet. Confused ? Me too.
which do you choose? "The Internet" or "Work"?
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So from my initial playing around, it doesn't appear to make any difference! - Otherwise i'd expect to add a roaming WiFi Hotspot to "The Internet" (and dynamic IP) and any Work related (static IP) to "Work".
Must be missing something fundamental here, but O2 Exec manual (pg.92) isn't especially forthcoming with an answer.. :?
This might help you a bit.
I connect to work with a vpn connection over the internet. the address for the vpn is a url.
1. I set up a gprs connection under internet
2. I set up a vpn connection under work to vpndomain.com.au
3. in the advanced tab of connections I add *.vpndomain.com.au to the exceptions list for work connections
4. I start a terminal session to terminal.vpndomain.com.au
the device connects to internet then connects to work over internet.
if you don't need one connection to occur via another then make them all internet
hope that helps
Okay, a bit more braindumping to understand the differences between "Work" and "The Internet" courtesy of ActiveSync Help..
ActiveSync > File > Connection Settings
This computer is connected to: Auto/Work/The Internet
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Use ActiveSync to "pass through" this computer. That means the connected device can use the computer's network connection as if it were its own. You can use this feature to perform tasks such as downloading non-Outlook e-mail messages, to connect directly with Exchange Server, or to browse the Internet.
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So, from that, I set the connection type to "The Internet" in ActiveSync, and I was able to browse the internet on my XDA.
I then set the connection type to "Work Network" in ActiveSync and was *not* able to use the internet.
What does it all mean ?
Well, at the moment all I can think of is that if don't set it to "The Internet", you er, don't get Internet access. :roll:
Applying that to the original question of which do I choose:
"Wireless Node 2" network connects me to:
O The Internet (or work via a VPN)
O Work
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I would holeheartedly recommend (if its a wireless network you've found whilst walking the streets) that you choose "The Internet" !!
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Functional Differences
I'm thinking/believing/speculating that the functional difference between the two is that the "Work" option is for connecting to local or internal IP's only, for instance anything on your 10.x.x IP range if that is the subnet you're on.
The "Internet" option allows any *external* IP address to be accessed, and no access to the local IP range. This would then require the VPN option to be used to access local/intranet resources. (This is the passthrough option as mentioned above in the ActiveSync help)
I'm literally typing as i'm testing, and so far it kinda makes more sense to me now.. kinda.
I have a WM5 device (HTC Wizard) and have the following situation:
My "Home" connection uses a proxy to connect to the internet over GPRS (from phone company) -- this works fine.
My "Work" connection uses a different proxy to connect to the internet over wifi (from my work) -- this works fine.
If I want to connect to a third network (my home wifi connection, an internet cafe) that doesn't use a proxy (or uses a different proxy) I need to modify the "Home" connection to remove the phone company proxy settings -- then this works fine. But when I want to get back on my GPRS connection, I need to go modify the proxy configuration again to put the settings back in.
Is there an easier way to move between >2 proxy configurations than setting/clearing/modifying the proxy configuration every time I move between networks? I'm looking for solutions native in the device - I'm sure there are hacks like setting up my own proxy and screwing with the forwarding rules to identify "phone is on WLAN, go directly to internet" vs. "phone is connecting from GPRS, chain through phone company proxy" which will cause me about as many headaches as just manually entering the information. Thanks in advance for any replies.
easist way is to set up a third connection with no proxy....
Have you actually tried doing this? WM5 supports two connections - one for automatic connections (which by default it calls "Home"), one for VPN (which by default it calls "Work"). I could create another network connection profile, but that trade-off is between a) reconfiguring the single network connection profile that my "Home" connection uses (via my provider's proxy or not) for b) reconfiguring which of two network connections the "Home" network connection selects. I don't want another bunch of clicks to jump through as I move from network to network, I want it to Just Work. I'd like the decision tree to go:
if (secured resource)
..use VPN ("Work")
else
..if (preferred network available)
....// this would be my 802.11 nets
....// each of which may have proxy information associated with it
....use that network (afaict, NYI)
..else
....use GPRS ("Home")
But it appears to be:
if (secured resource)
..use VPN ("Work")
else
..use GPRS ("Home")
A bit of an ugly workaround would be to use Opera Mobile - you can manually specify HTTP and/or HTTPS proxies in its own Preferences, as well as any proxy info you might have set up in your work profile.
As of yet, I've not found a way to have more than one proxied profile preconfigured, which is annoying as different buildings in my Uni use different wifi networks with their own proxies and ports typical.
Okay, this has been bugging me for a long time, so I decided to solve this by myself once and for all.
Situation:
1. GPRS requires a proxy connection
2. WiFi and ActiveSync (A.S. on PC when connecting to an Exchange Server) "inherit" the same GPRS proxy settings, and are unable to connect to that proxy server, which make them both unusable.
So, naturally, I configured "The Internet" connection to use the GPRS access point and the GPRS proxy,
And "My Work Network" to be an internet connection WITHOUT a proxy.
But for some reason, that doesn't work.
The connections tab doesn't let "My Work Network" to be a "proxyless" internet connection.
I tried many configurations, trying to fool the wifi connection, until I got to a final solution that works.
The wifi knows to pick the connection without the proxy, so does the activesync, and so does the default GPRS connection, when no other connection is present, automatically!
So, the solution is this:
1. Go to the Start->Settings->Connections->Advanced tab->Select networks
Under "Programs that… Internet should connect using"
Click New to create a new connection:
Name for settings: Direct Internet
Modem: Leave Blank
Proxy Settings:
This network connects to the internet [Check]
This network uses a proxy [Uncheck, or Check and fill in your home proxy settings]
Click OK.
2. Under "Programs that… private network should connect using"
Click New to create a new connection:
Name for settings: GPRS Internet
Modem: Click New, and follow the wizard to add your GPRS access point.
Proxy Settings:
This network connects to the internet [Check]
This network uses a proxy [Uncheck, or Check and fill in your GPRS proxy settings]
Click OK until all windows are closed.
3. Now we need to get WiFi and AS to use the "Direct Internet" we created.
Go to the Start->Settings->Network Cards (Or Wi-Fi for some OSs)->Network Adapters tab
My Network card connects to:
set "The Internet"
(This will make your Wifi choose the "Direct Internet" connection, with the proxy you specified, or without a proxy)
4. On your PC, Open the Microsoft ActiveSync Window (Make Sure you have ActiveSync 4.5 or higher)
Click File->Connection Settings
This computer is connected to:
set "The Internet"
(This will make your ActiveSync inherit the "Direct Internet" connection, with the proxy you specified, or without a proxy)
That’s it, you're done!
The beauty is that Windows mobile knows it needs to use the "GPRS Internet", only when other connections are not present.
Now you don't have to mess with selecting a proxyless connection when connecting to a WiFi source, or using activesync
thank you very much for this, has helped very much.
i think this is a brilliant work around...... thank u soooooooo very much... i have been banging my head endlessly to try and find some solution to the problem i had.... and nothing could have been better than this....
:cheers:
Shlomki is there any way i can force MS Exchange to use AS when cradled? coz somehow it connects using GPRS even when cradled and connected to AS...
i'm happy to hear it helped you both!
phreaker18 said:
Shlomki is there any way i can force MS Exchange to use AS when cradled? coz somehow it connects using GPRS even when cradled and connected to AS...
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if you followed the steps exactly as i described, exchange SHOULD use AS (your PC's internet connection). that's how its working for me right now.
when cradled and connected to AS, did you try browsing to a website to see which connection it tries to use? try to use PIE and see if it tries to connect to the GPRS or the PC's internet connection.
if it uses GPRS also, there might be a problem with your settings..
Repeat stages 1 & 4, they are critical for that matter.
Try stage 1 without entering a proxy server. just uncheck the proxy settings and check "This network connects to the internet".
Shlomki do u think i should uncheck enable advanced networking in settings--> connections-->USB to PC....?? do u think that maybe the problem creator?
shlomki said:
2. Under "Programs that… private network should connect using"
Click New to create a new connection:
Name for settings: GPRS Internet
Modem: Click New, and follow the wizard to add your GPRS access point.
Proxy Settings:
This network connects to the internet [Check]
This network uses a proxy [Uncheck, or Check and fill in your GPRS proxy settings]
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when i complete step 2 [without checking proxy settings] and go back to see if this connects to the internet is checked or not it is always unchecked even though i check it some seconds more... am i doing something wrong here?? i dont think my GPRS connection uses any proxy settings...
phreaker18 said:
when i complete step 2 [without checking proxy settings] and go back to see if this connects to the internet is checked or not it is always unchecked even though i check it some seconds more... am i doing something wrong here?? i dont think my GPRS connection uses any proxy settings...
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yes, it happens to me also. i think thats the way they intended it to be.
when you use a proxy with the work network, it doesnt uncheck the internet option.
are you using a proxy at all?
no i dont use a proxy..... i connect to the internet using a cable modem... n between the cable modem and the PC is my netgear WiFi router...
then why did you follow a post that's inteded for proxy connections
just select your proxyless gprs settings as your internet connection, and set active sync (on the pc) and network cards (on the ppc) to use "the internet".
im sorry if i didnt make myself clear.... i had proxies... since ur method didnt work i changed the whole setup on my PC and now i dont use a proxy...
but ur post was very informative nonetheless..
thank u again
shlomki said:
Okay, this has been bugging me for a long time, so I decided to solve this by myself once and for all.
Situation:
1. GPRS requires a proxy connection
2. WiFi and ActiveSync (A.S. on PC when connecting to an Exchange Server) "inherit" the same GPRS proxy settings, and are unable to connect to that proxy server, which make them both unusable.
So, naturally, I configured "The Internet" connection to use the GPRS access point and the GPRS proxy,
And "My Work Network" to be an internet connection WITHOUT a proxy.
But for some reason, that doesn't work.
The connections tab doesn't let "My Work Network" to be a "proxyless" internet connection.
I tried many configurations, trying to fool the wifi connection, until I got to a final solution that works.
The wifi knows to pick the connection without the proxy, so does the activesync, and so does the default GPRS connection, when no other connection is present, automatically!
So, the solution is this:
1. Go to the Start->Settings->Connections->Advanced tab->Select networks
Under "Programs that… Internet should connect using"
Click New to create a new connection:
Name for settings: Direct Internet
Modem: Leave Blank
Proxy Settings:
This network connects to the internet [Check]
This network uses a proxy [Uncheck, or Check and fill in your home proxy settings]
Click OK.
2. Under "Programs that… private network should connect using"
Click New to create a new connection:
Name for settings: GPRS Internet
Modem: Click New, and follow the wizard to add your GPRS access point.
Proxy Settings:
This network connects to the internet [Check]
This network uses a proxy [Uncheck, or Check and fill in your GPRS proxy settings]
Click OK until all windows are closed.
3. Now we need to get WiFi and AS to use the "Direct Internet" we created.
Go to the Start->Settings->Network Cards (Or Wi-Fi for some OSs)->Network Adapters tab
My Network card connects to:
set "The Internet"
(This will make your Wifi choose the "Direct Internet" connection, with the proxy you specified, or without a proxy)
4. On your PC, Open the Microsoft ActiveSync Window (Make Sure you have ActiveSync 4.5 or higher)
Click File->Connection Settings
This computer is connected to:
set "The Internet"
(This will make your ActiveSync inherit the "Direct Internet" connection, with the proxy you specified, or without a proxy)
That’s it, you're done!
The beauty is that Windows mobile knows it needs to use the "GPRS Internet", only when other connections are not present.
Now you don't have to mess with selecting a proxyless connection when connecting to a WiFi source, or using activesync
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Thank you so much for this work around. You don't know how long I have been fighting this problem. What an elegant solution!
I think that I might try to abuse this to let other porgrams connect using T-mo GPRS since it seems that only web works when the Proxy is on, and other things work when its not.
woah
shlomki your the man!!!!
wahhhh
stumbled said:
shlomki your the man!!!!
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ei shlomki, i use ur configuration for two days, after that I can't connect to my wifi router anymore
what will i do?????
stumbled said:
ei shlomki, i use ur configuration for two days, after that I can't connect to my wifi router anymore
what will i do?????
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are you using wm6?
wm6 roms have a known issue with connecting to some secured networks.
try to set your router to allow unsecured connections and reconfigure your wifi settings in your ppc.
if it connects fine, the problem is with the wifi drivers.
shlomki said:
are you using wm6?
wm6 roms have a known issue with connecting to some secured networks.
try to set your router to allow unsecured connections and reconfigure your wifi settings in your ppc.
if it connects fine, the problem is with the wifi drivers.
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im using WM5 in my Xda IIs blueangel...
what will i do?
stumbled said:
im using WM5 in my Xda IIs blueangel...
what will i do?
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i don't know, sorry.
but it has nothing to do with proxy settings.
go to the blueangel forum in xda-developers and ask for help...
good luck
Hi Shlomki.
Followed the instructions when trying to connect with explorer it says cannot connect with these settings after further investagation for some reason the this connection connets to the internet check box won´t stick on the new connection we made or on work connection every time i go back to check it it´s unchecked again any ideas thanks
Dave
pftg4 said:
Hi Shlomki.
Followed the instructions when trying to connect with explorer it says cannot connect with these settings after further investagation for some reason the this connection connets to the internet check box won´t stick on the new connection we made or on work connection every time i go back to check it it´s unchecked again any ideas thanks
Dave
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read the manual again, from start to finish, and do not skip a word.
if you're not using a proxy in your "Work Network Settings", this manual is not for you.
I have a problem of setting up http proxy server for my wireless connection.
What I have done is:
1. in settings -> connections
automatically connecting to internet by using: My ISP
automatically connecting to private network by using: My Work Network.
2. In My Work Network -> proxy settings
ticks, this network connects to internet
ticks,this network use a proxy server to connect to internet.
advanced:
HTTP: proxy.proxy.proxy: 8080
3. Set my wireless connection connect to Work network.
However, after the wireless was enabled, my proxy setting alway vanished away, like I haven't setup any proxy setting at all.
If I want to try to re-set my proxy server again in My Work Network. It will vanished away when I back to setting panel.
But if I disable the wireless connection, then my proxy setting can stay there. If my wireless turned on again, my proxy setting would gone immdiately.
Do you know what's wrong?
weekendli said:
I have a problem of setting up http proxy server for my wireless connection.
What I have done is:
1. in settings -> connections
automatically connecting to internet by using: My ISP
automatically connecting to private network by using: My Work Network.
2. In My Work Network -> proxy settings
ticks, this network connects to internet
ticks,this network use a proxy server to connect to internet.
advanced:
HTTP: proxy.proxy.proxy: 8080
3. Set my wireless connection connect to Work network.
However, after the wireless was enabled, my proxy setting alway vanished away, like I haven't setup any proxy setting at all.
If I want to try to re-set my proxy server again in My Work Network. It will vanished away when I back to setting panel.
But if I disable the wireless connection, then my proxy setting can stay there. If my wireless turned on again, my proxy setting would gone immdiately.
Do you know what's wrong?
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Go to MediaNet, tap proxy settings. check the top box; uncheck the lower box, then go back to ISP.
My wife uses her T-Mobile MDA (Wizard) to sync with her computer at at work. She also uses a proxy method to access the internet (on the go). Her job uses proxy settings and when she connects, it overwrites the proxy settings that she uses to access the internet when she's not connected to the computer. So basically, we have to put the proxy and modem settings in everytime she disconnects from active stink. Didn't have this problem until her job changed buildings and internet settings.
Is there any way to keep the settings from being overwritten? I've tried adding a second set of proxy settings with the same info having both the work proxy and the T-Mobile proxy. But what ever settings the phone is on, the work proxy will overwrite them with it's own. My wife uses her MDA to sync with her computer at at work. Her job uses proxy settings and when she connects, it overwrites the proxy settings that she uses to access the internet when she's not connected to the computer. So basically, we have to put the proxy and modem settings in everytime she disconnects from active stink. Didn't have this problem until her job changed buildings and internet settings.
Is there any way to keep the settings from being overwritten? "Allow wireless connection on device when connected to the desktop" is not checked. Checked that, and it still overwrites the settings. Very frustrating! How do you manage multiple proxy settings?