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XDA II will have blackberry functionnality?

My IT manager has informed me that the XDA II will have blackberry capabilities once "O2 implement some changes to their servers" , which will apparently happen somewhere after X-mas.
Anybody else heard of this?

It was my impression, from something I read I believe, that the functionality comes from both 2003 mobile upgrade, and microsoft .net (2003) exchange server. Basically I was lead to believe that if you have say MS exchange server .net or 2003 what ever it is officially called, and a pocket pc phone running 2003 mobile the blackberry type functions can be had.

RIM client is being shipped in new O2 XDA II firmware next year. This means you can use it with RIM BES servers to deliver push E-mail.
This will not give the true Blackberry experience though as the carriers have only licensed a portion of the BES solution and it's functionality is limited. There is no push calendar, contacts etc. etc. and the configuration aspects are limited on PPC2003.
Good for marketing purposes but pretty much useless in my view in an enterprise deployment. It's my understanding that the RIM BES support is a firmware only solution and you will not be able to add extra functionality without the carrier licencing it and delivering it to you in ROM form.

The RIM BES is done with software. So in theory it could be implemented on the XDA II. However the BES is not cheep!!
It would be good to see if an XDA II could get the seamless e-mail connection that the Blackberry does. However the Blackberry is not a particularly good phone and when I last looked did not support SMS but P2P. If they can get over the technical aspect and the cost of the BES it would be great and I for one would perches the service in a second.
Gil.

Yes it can
the xmail software can be used to match what blackberry can provide - you will need a computer permanently linked to the network (either yours or a shared machine)

A T-Mobile manager in San Francisco explained it this way: The combination of the new Pocket PC Phone Edition 2003 software on your PDA and new mail server software (undoubtedly Exchange Server 2003, although she didn't say), lets email show up on your PDA without you having to check for it manually, just like SMS messages do. If that's what you mean by Blackberry capabilities, then it looks like everyone who has or upgrades to Pocket PC Phone Edition 2003 and gets email from an updated Exchange Server will have "Blackberry capability." She explained that the mail server will send a specially coded SMS message to your PDA (which you will never see) which will notify the OS that there is email waiting to be downloaded. The PDA will then automatically initate a download of the email. From your perspective, it will seem that the email will simply show up -- a la with a Blackberry device.

It is Exchange 2003 and Windows Mobile 2003 combo. You can set Active Sync to sync "as new items arrive" option. This option sends a special email via SMS to your phone to pull the new data. So, it becomes very close to Blackberry RIM, I love it. It saves my time to check for new messages on the road.

People are confusing two capabilities here
RIM / Blackberry INBOX software is rumored to be shipping with / in the XDA II firmware sometime in '04 (might be available now). This would allow EITHER a RIM desktop redirector OR a Blackberry Enterprise Server to wireless synchronize Exchange email with the XDA II. The BES option is much better than the 'redirector' as it doesn't require a PC to be constantly running redirecting email for every user doing this (dumb approach).
There are multiple "Blackberry Like" capabilities that support the XDA II that some of you have been referring too. Microsoft new 'titanium' / Exchange uses SMS (dumb approach) to wake up the XDA II and 'tell it' to come pick up it's mail, calendar, etc. SMS is costly in some cases, and not guaranteed message protocol in all cases.
Other ISV's are developing / have developed 'Berry like' capability for XDA II -- Synchrologoc, Extended Systems, Sybase iAnywhere, others.
Most of these take the same approach as described above by Microsoft -- some are a bit more clever approach that uses TCP/IP as the underlying Push notification vs. SMS -- which makes them alot more flexible and reliable.
NET-net: There are two options to achieving the Pushed email / PIM to the XDA II: via RIM / Blackberry approach, or via the MS / ISV approach described above.
Make sense? FYI: I know this because I am the RIM product mgr for my company, and have been exploring some of the options that are RIM-like with other device and platforms.
jpd

There are 3rd party solutions that allow for this kind of thing also. We are currently using Synchrologic Email Accelerator to do true IP push to our WM2003 devices. The device polls the server to see if new messages are there and pulls them down if there are any new items. Email, Contacts, Tasks...any of your PIM items are "pushed" (it actually appears to be a pull, but oh well) without SMS messaging taking place.
I guess my point is that this is WM2003 capability, not necessarily XDA II. You can have this "blackberry experience" today if you use the right software. Granted, its not cheap, but I know our mobile users love it.
-wurd up

wurdipus said:
There are 3rd party solutions that allow for this kind of thing also. We are currently using Synchrologic Email Accelerator to do true IP push to our WM2003 devices. The device polls the server to see if new messages are there and pulls them down if there are any new items. Email, Contacts, Tasks...any of your PIM items are "pushed" (it actually appears to be a pull, but oh well) without SMS messaging taking place.
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Yeah but the device has to be on to do this, right? I mean to "poll" the server, your PPC has to be turned on, right?
With the Exchange Server method, it will send the SMS which will cause your PPC to wake up, dl the email, and tell you "you've got mail".
-arebelspy

your PDA is never actually off unless you let the battery die. When you turn it "off" the screen just blanks to save battery. I agree, SMS message wakeup is a stupid and wasteful approach.

Advice for Exchange 2003 SP2 & ActiveSync (error 8501000

Having spent the past day or so struggling to get my shiny new HTC Wizard syncing correctly with Exchange 2003 I thought I would post the solution...
This only applies to those of you using ActiveSync to communicate from a WM5 (and possibly earlier?) with an Exchange 2003 server with SP2. SP2 looks handy for mobile users as it introduces HTTP direct push (well, it will shortly..) among st other features - this is the reason that I chose to install it.
Once installed, it allows a range of Mobile Access settings that include direct push (only actually available once MSFP devices - or patches - become available... Q2 seems to be the best estimate) as well as some interesting security features that allow a remote wipe of sensitive data, should a WM5 device be stolen/lost.
One of these security settings is to require a password on the handled device - a great idea... DON'T SET IT!! None of these security settings work with non MSFP devices - they throw a general server access error 85010004. So the server setting to check, on your Exchange 2003 SP2 server is:
(DOMAIN) > Global Settings > Mobile Devices
Click the "Device Security..." button
Make sure that the "Enforce password on device" checkbox is cleared - at lest until you have MSFP devices around
After that you can correct any other 85010004 or 85010014 errors using the advice from the Microsoft KnowledgeBase (have fun!). This SP2 problem isn't listed there yet (I got it, eventually, from a MS partner tech support site).

Hi Guy,
Have you been able to get Push to work? I installed the Exchange service Pack and enabled HTTP push. My WM5 wizard does a manual sync fine via GPRS, but when I check off realtime receipt, it keeps asking me for the phone's SMS number...
Have you encoutered this prob? I wonder if it makes a dif if my Phone OS is French while Exchange server is in English
Thanks

footang
Without the MSFP (which should be available VERY soon?) you have to rely on Exchange Server doing a 'fake push' using SMS... it sends an SMS to your device to tell the device to connect (over GPRS) to pick up new mail. This is NOT a proper push solution...
My understanding is that MSFP updates both the WM5 device AND the Exchange Server, enabling the server to implement true push... I'm seriously considering moving my Exchange to a hosted provider (probably Cobweb) as I have plenty of minor issues running Exchange 2003 on a small SBS server... Cobweb tell me they will have MSFP live this month.
I will let you know how I get on...

Guy,
I installed the latest QTEK Rom and push works great. The only prob is that it doesnt vibrate when the phone is in standby mode to let you know an email arrived.
cheers

Direct Sync with Exchange 2000 possible ???

I know Mobile 5.0 can direct sync with exchange 2003 SP2, but how about the older version exchange 2000 ?

Exchnage 2000 sync...
You need a specific product : Microsoft Mobile information server...
But I would recommand to upgrade to EX2003 or perhaps other product like Dataviz or Sync4j (clast one can be seen on www.msmobiles.com)

Thanks for reply
But I am not asking about push-mail
I only want to sync via wireless within our company network
but I got this error 0x85010006, am I missing something ?

Exchange 2000 does not have it built in by default. You will need the Mobile Information Server to allow what's called "Exchange Active Sync" to work. If you upgrade to Exchange Server 2003, it's built in and uses outlook mobile access or OMA for Exchange active sync.

Thanks. I know more now.
But I can Sync Notes contact but only cannot sync Mail..... is it only mail need the Mobile Information ???? and do you means the Mobile Info 2002 ??

New XDA Exec ROM: LIVE

JUST WENT LIVE! :lol:
http://www.my-xda.com

but does it have A2DP?
(I'd download it at work, but we've got some mega uploads going on today, and I've got ADSL2+ at home anyways)
Anyone installed it already and got any views/reviews - how does it compare to the latest JasJar rom for speed/responsiveness?
edit add - direct download link for those who don't want to go through the IMEI/Number check
installation pdf is here
Looks like the versions are:
ROM Version: 1.30.162
Radio: 1.09.00
CE image: 1.30.107
And looking at the install pdf it doesn't mention A2DP - boo.

Have a look at my post for more details .....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=47965

I just changed my Exec to the Qtek ROM I'm not going to do it agen lol.

According to installation instructions...
Xda Exec software upgrade
Major new items in this release include:
• Microsoft AKU 2 (Adaptation Kit Update) featuring:
– Microsoft Messaging and Security Feature Pack (MSFP)* allowing Direct Push Email, Wireless Calendar, Contacts, Tasks, Global Address List (GAL) Lookup and Security
Policies.
* Requires organisations to be running Microsoft Exchange Server 2003 and SP2. Please contact your company IT Manager to confirm your infrastructure and for assistance with setting up your device for direct push email.
• Updated Comm Manager, providing new buttons for controlling Direct Push Mail and active Data connections.
• Updated Radio v1.09.00
• Updated CE image v1.30.107

According to installation instructions...
Xda Exec software upgrade
Major new items in this release include:
• Microsoft AKU 2 (Adaptation Kit Update) featuring:
– Microsoft Messaging and Security Feature Pack (MSFP)* allowing Direct Push Email, Wireless Calendar, Contacts, Tasks, Global Address List (GAL) Lookup and Security Policies.
* Requires organisations to be running Microsoft Exchange Server 2003 and SP2. Please contact your company IT Manager to confirm your infrastructure and for assistance with setting up your device for direct push email.
• Updated Comm Manager, providing new buttons for controlling Direct Push Mail and active Data connections.
• Updated Radio v1.09.00
• Updated CE image v1.30.107

AKU & Push

Couple of dummy questions. Done lots of searching but ended up still clueless.
I am using the latest 02 wizard rom.
What exactly is the microsoft push option on the conectivity centre ? What can I do with it ?
What is AKU ?

Previously, if you remote ActiveSync to an Exchange server over GPRS, you schedule the Wizard to poll for new mail every so-many minutes. If the Exchange server has the latest service pack applied, the Mobile Security Features Pack enables it to be a bit smarter. With PDA's with the latest software (AKU2) the PDA gains a "When messages arrive" option in the ActiveSync schedule dropdown. When you select this, the PDA keeps a session open with the server and when a new email arrives, the server goes "'ere, now's a good time to check for new messages!" So you get something like a Blackberry email delivery.
Needs the upgrade at both ends, and typically some Firewall/Proxy tweaking at the server end to leave the http sessions alive for more than the default couple of minutes (to minimise unecessary traffic when there's no mail to send).
AKU stands for Adaptation Kit Upgrade (apparently...) ;-)
Dox.

Address Syntax
When I try to setup this it asked for the Device Address (Text messaging address for this deivce)
I'm with O2 in the UK. Would the address be [email protected]
cheers
Stan
Dox said:
Previously, if you remote ActiveSync to an Exchange server over GPRS, you schedule the Wizard to poll for new mail every so-many minutes. If the Exchange server has the latest service pack applied, the Mobile Security Features Pack enables it to be a bit smarter. With PDA's with the latest software (AKU2) the PDA gains a "When messages arrive" option in the ActiveSync schedule dropdown. When you select this, the PDA keeps a session open with the server and when a new email arrives, the server goes "'ere, now's a good time to check for new messages!" So you get something like a Blackberry email delivery.
Needs the upgrade at both ends, and typically some Firewall/Proxy tweaking at the server end to leave the http sessions alive for more than the default couple of minutes (to minimise unecessary traffic when there's no mail to send).
AKU stands for Adaptation Kit Upgrade (apparently...) ;-)
Dox.
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