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Himalaya Linux - the usual question

hi guys
first off...sorry for posting the usual question...its been done to death
i have been out of the xda-dev site for a while and have lost track of things.
i always hoped himalaya linux would get done.... but from what i can see its still lacking the key components (eg phone support under gpe).
i am a uni student on placement at a company that actually writes mobile phone radio stacks...so i am learning embedded c and about the interesting side of the hardware/software interface.... now i want to actually do something about this lack of a fully usable phone.
my questions go as follows..
1> what is the current stage of himalaya linux ... i have a feeling the wiki's are probably out of date
2> is anyone actually still working on it
3> i know only a little about haret i get the idea it is also able to watch hardware (and isnt just a bootloader)...where can i find docs about using it to do this.
4> was jtag ever found on the himalaya
5> of the code in the tree what files are specific to the himalaya
i have much to learn on writing drivers etc for linux...and alot to learn about embedded c, reverse engineering etc....ok so i have a hell of a lot to learn....but i'm willing to try! (i also have 3 himalayas (1 has a bust screen) so plenty of tinkering can be done)
any other tidbits of information would also be appreciated
i think my basic goal would be the phone working.
after that get the other little bits and pieces
get the backpack cf working
get sdio and wireless working.
but these are the kind of goals that will take a long time so we'll see
i'd also love to work on the UI one day.. GPE and OPIE just dont toot my horn enough yet.
thanks
Tim

tim_programmer said:
1> what is the current stage of himalaya linux ... i have a feeling the wiki's are probably out of date
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It is out of date, but some parts are in a good shape.
2> is anyone actually still working on it
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Yes, because it has many common hardware and features with blueangel.
The kernel source is not being fixed, because it is decided to make blueangel
work first, and then reuse and adapt the cleaned code for himalaya.
3> i know only a little about haret i get the idea it is also able to watch hardware (and isnt just a bootloader)...where can i find docs about using it to do this.
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There are no "real" docs, only the source code. Many pxa27x functions are
implemented in haret, that either work or need minor changes for pxa26x.
4> was jtag ever found on the himalaya
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Yes, it's in wiki since 3 years or so
5> of the code in the tree what files are specific to the himalaya
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Blueangel is the authoritative source.
i think my basic goal would be the phone working.
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AFAIK, the phone works. But not with the latest 2.6.18-hh0 kernel.
This one has a lot of audio problems anyway, so it's not a major concern right now.
get the backpack cf working
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It's a bit challenging. The backpack is implemented in so-called ASIC5,
and there are no docs for it.
get sdio and wireless working.
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You mean SDIO wifi card ?
The SDIO host can be done relatively easy, but good luck with the wifi part
I know 2 of them, one with the TI acx100 (should be doable, because
there is linux acx100 driver), another needs the firmware upload in Motorola
SREC format, maybe even prism2.
And there is no free software SDIO for linux, you need to do some heavy RE.

Hello guys,
I have got Himalaya and I would like to help with implementation of some driver/software that is needed.
So I have got a few questions (some of them are similar to tim_programmer's, but I don't know if there are not outdated):
1. Where is the current branch with Himalaya specific code?
I have found:
- K2-6-12-hh2-xda0-ba0 (http://xanadux.cvs.sourceforge.net/xanadux/linux-2.6-xda/) and
- K2-6-21-hh20 (http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/linux/kernel26/)
Is himalaya specific code that is in K2-6-12-hh2-xda0-ba0 already included in K2-6-21-hh20?
Or what differences are between these branches?
2. Is somewhere available (SD card/NFS) image with kernel+initrd+GPE that is already running on Himalaya?
I have found:
- http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HimalayaLinuxBooting
It boots, but freezes during boot (after some changes in initrd it was possible to connect to the MDA with SSH via USB bus)
- http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HimalayaStandaloneGPEWithoutSD
Link to GPE is dead.
- http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Himalaya
There are screenshots of GPE so it should be working image somewhere.
3. Is it posssible to boot some BlueAngel "distribution" on Himalaya? (Possibly with a little changes?)
I have found:
- http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngelHowtoInstallLinux
Could it be used on Himalaya?
4. What is the current state of Himalaya support in Linux? What is already done and what not (or partially)?
I have found:
- http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HimalayaToDo
But there is not mentioned of what branch state it is.
5. Is any other bootloader than HaRET with that is possible to boot to Linux directly from SD card without Windows booting?
I have found:
- bootldr (http://xanadux.cvs.sourceforge.net/xanadux/linux-2.6-xda/bootldr/)
What is it?
A lot of information about Himalaya development is outdated and I don't know where to start :-( So any help is welcome
Thanks
Drasar

drasar said:
A lot of information about Himalaya development is outdated and I don't know where to start :-( So any help is welcome
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join #htc-linux at freenode.

Thanks for the link..just joined
btw when i start Haret on my Hima..the Thermometer goes up and the eyes go red..and then few lines comes up and thats it..i have tried every thing but cant get Linux to work
waiting for the New Linux Mobile

ather90 said:
btw when i start Haret on my Hima..the Thermometer goes up and the eyes go red..and then few lines comes up and thats it..i have tried every thing but cant get Linux to work
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What kernel have you tried? What was the last message on display? Some old HaRET versions (e.g. 0.3.6) have a problem with big kernel and boot fails on mounting root fs. So try the newest HaRET 0.5.1 that goes fine.

Thankxxx alot..u are rite i have 0.3.6
here is what i have :
haret-0.5.1.exe
initrd-2.6.12.gz
modules-2.6.12.tgz
zImage-2.6.12
are these all latest

ather90 said:
haret-0.5.1.exe
initrd-2.6.12.gz
modules-2.6.12.tgz
zImage-2.6.12
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For kernel 2.6.12, follow How To Compile 4 Himalaya instructions. It works, I have tried it yesterday ;-)

Thanks alot..thankfully i have Ubuntu so compling is no big
i will contact u for more assistance

Google's Android on Magician !

Hi all,
Just read an artice on the hack of Google's impressive Android mobile OS. Hackers have used files from the emulator and installed the OS on some Linux phones. I was just thinking that there was a post on this forum saying that Linux could be Installed on Magician. Also Android uses Linux's kernal. So why not give Android a try. Would be great to use the new Android on Magician.
Any clues on how to proceed with the Installation ?

Is it really? I listen about porting on only Linux-PDA but Magican isn't Linux-PDA.

Of course, Android can run on the Magician, BUT never forget that you need drivers for the device - even for Linux!
And that's the problem: if you don't have any information about the chipset etc you will need month or even years to develop them.
If you want to run Linux on the Magician, there is already a project which try to develop drivers for Linux. Last time I read from their progress Linux runs on the Magician with the possibility to use the phone (but no GPRS)...
Use the search if you are interested;-)

Melkor said:
If you want to run Linux on the Magician, there is already a project which try to develop drivers for Linux. Last time I read from their progress Linux runs on the Magician with the possibility to use the phone (but no GPRS)...
Use the search if you are interested;-)
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It is http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Magician , isn't it?

So If Linux can be installed, then Android can also be installed. Because it supports all Linux compatible devices according to the hack.
For the DRIVER part, pls check the official Android website-
http://code.google.com/android/
and let us know. Waiting for your reply...
Thanks!

Peoples - a hve WORKING linux on my HTC magician.
name is Angstorm with GUi OpenMoko.
Work - tochscreen,Sound,GSM,blootuth.
thet meens - drivers are exist and work

Can anybody say, where i can download Google's Androuid for ANY platform ?
I'm Find =) Android For Zaurus
it seems to me, For using rootfs on magician we mast change drivers in it
http://www.omegamoon.com/blog/static.php?page=ZaurusAndroid
As me say one man, it takes compiling magican's drivers using Google android SDK.
Some useful links
Буржуйский форум -> http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showforum=158
ЗАУРУС -> http://www.omegamoon.com/blog/static.php?page=ZaurusAndroid
Cкрины -> http://androidzaurus.seesaa.net/article/75516785.html
Angstrom на Qtek s110 -> http://grigio.org/howto_openmoko_htc_magic...dual_boot_wince
Немного о портировании для OMAP -> http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP
Sory for my English =)

does anyone know how to actually download the Android platform? regardless of phone model or drivers? or is it just included in the SDK and you gotta compile it yourself? If I can somehow get my hands on a copy of the image I'll probably end up spending the next 3 weeks trying to flash it natively into the ROM

The Android sources can found on this page: http://code.google.com/p/android/downloads/list

It is only kernel. Without drivers.

Found a new article for search on "Android on HTC", got this:
Android Kernel Found, Android on HTC Kaiser imminent
It says, that the kernal works only on MSM7200A chipset for now.
Take a look, link: http://fandroid.net/content/android-kernel-found-android-htc-kaiser-imminent

what i cannot understand is:
if there is an working linux kernel (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=MagicianXanadux) than android should be executable also!?
All necessary driviers shold be available.
So why should it be impossible to have a running android on a Magician?
cheers
aitsch
p.s.: the Magician is a very fast device. maybe android is running well on it.

UPDATE: Google has released a new version of Android, v0.9
Any updates on running Andriod on Magician ?
I could run Linux (Openmoko) successfully.

yea! Android 1.0 it very good
we need this

linux can run on a magician and u can use phone on it but no sms and it's full of bug's

Hi all,
I have tried to download the angstrom linux and follow the instruction from this site http://linuxtogo.org/~ph5/magician/....
but I always had kernel panic when start booting the linux, after then I found out the unzipping wasn't successful there is an error occurred during unzipping.
Does anyone ever encounter the error when unzipping? your help would be much appreciated. thank you
wayne

Hi everybody,
are there any news on running android on magican. Did anybody manage to get it running?

w00t!
I for one cannot wait to boot winCE on my Magician! Id love to put ANDROID on it! from what it looks like they are only 80% done!

I have opie II running on magician (http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcmagician/)
and it runs perfectly (except a little bug eith the menu).
And here is a list what works in linux (http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Magician)so android should work

header2k said:
I have opie II running on magician (http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcmagician/)
and it runs perfectly (except a little bug eith the menu).
And here is a list what works in linux (http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Magician)so android should work
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Interesting, I'll take a look! What are the bugs you personally notice?

Android Boots On HTC Touch Viva (Opal)

Hello.
I've been trying to boot android the opal by trying the vogue kernal (since it has the same specs as the opal) on the opal until i came across this. a fellow xda-dev member had some good news on android booting on the opal.
heres the original quote from him in the "LINUX BOOTS at OPAL! Thanks to linwizard project!" thread.
MusikMonk said:
I have some good news, Android can boot on the Opal. This is just a proof of concept as it's missing tons of drivers and is completely useless.
Touchscreen and all keys except for the volume control (and obviously the reset button) are not working. So you basically can't do anything when you run it.
What I tried is the same as what's written in this thread about running Android on Gene. They're using the build made for the Herald/Wing (just as I was proposing in my last post) with customized initramfs and kernel.
You'll find all the necessary details in that thread. However, there's a newer build than the one mentioned there it's wing-linux-0.4pre2.cab. And the suitable kernel for that build is supposed to be the pre2 posted in this post but it didn't work on my Opal so I tried the older Gene kernel and it worked. The main difference between the two is bluetooth support, and that's obviously is of no use for us.
This doesn't effect the Windows rom, nor does it requires any special partitioning. Still it's best to have everything backed up before launching it, just in case.
This is the official site for the wing/herald build:
http://wing-linux.sf.net/
This thread on their forums about the Gene port will probably be of use to us:
http://sourceforge.net/apps/phpbb/wing-linux/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4
I'm reading about the next steps but as I said before, I don't have any previous experience or knowledge about this type of things. If someone can give me hand, I would be more than grateful. At any rate, once I have better understanding of the concept I'll contact the people behind the Wing and the Gene ports.
P.S: If you do try to run this, keep in mind that this will take lots of time, specially for the first launch. And when you get an error saying something like "android sh: can't access tty" just ignore it and keep waiting. After a while you'll have a flashing "android" on the screen, and after some more waiting you'll reach the main screen.
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i've not tried it yet, but the touchscreen drivers and buttons are not working. if anyone could help build a android kernel for the opal, it would be extremly great!
This thread will be used for future android builds for the opal.

It is possible "Android" in this mobile ????
I would like install to

no, i don't think you can install, but you can boot it from haret. i'm not sure too how to boot it though, trying to find a way.

okay i tried reached till ANDROID boot screen struck waiting for fone to respond.. responded now struck on power off screen..

nothing happens powering offffff strucks.. any way it worked half way.. now i have hope one day will run android on opal

If the Opal is based on the Omap850 chipset, anyone care to try the Wing-linux project on their phones? It's Android ported (or in the process of being ported) to the Wing/Herald. The keys won't be mapped to your phones but I wonder if it will actually boot all the way to the Android desktop. (Btw, the first boot takes a long time to finish.)

would love to try android!!

ivanmmj said:
If the Opal is based on the Omap850 chipset, anyone care to try the Wing-linux project on their phones? It's Android ported (or in the process of being ported) to the Wing/Herald. The keys won't be mapped to your phones but I wonder if it will actually boot all the way to the Android desktop. (Btw, the first boot takes a long time to finish.)
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Actually, we're already working with wing-linux:
MusikMonk said:
What I tried is the same as what's written in this thread about running Android on Gene. They're using the build made for the Herald/Wing (just as I was proposing in my last post) with customized initramfs and kernel.
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At any rate, the main thread is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=462188
I would appreciate any help because, at the moment, I seem to be the only Opal owner working on the port. And I lack the experience.
I was working on modifying the kernel so that the touchscreen would work but I ran into some problems and I've been too busy during the last week to do anything concerning this project.

i'll be happy if anyone could post links to videos showing android running on our HTC touch viva

I got Android CupCake installed and working on my HTC Opal a few weeks back using the WingLinux.
Keys are not mapped and Android is not fully functional but never the less, its android 1.6 on your viva...u can chk da pic off my facebook album, i dnt wanna upload'em again:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2068361&id=1493937383

what is special in android which make it different from windows? How it connect to windows pc and linux?

Enlightment

http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=about&l=en
After reading this i thought it is possible to bring this to our omap 850 devices so i just want see ur views

you can use e17 booting angstrom + illume thanks to wing linux project
but there aren't angstrom image ready to load you must compile...

As gp.triple pointed out, it should be possible to do. As Wing Linux uses Angstrom+Android so Angstrom+E17 shouldn't be a problem.
And pitillo on #wing-linux mentioned a couple of days ago that he was trying to build it for elf (aka Touch, another Omap850 device). If he succeded in making one, it should run as is on our devices.
Personally, I prefer having a Kernel that supports all Opal features before worrying about builds and packages. And sadely, I'm not having lots of success there
Anyway, check the link in my sig if you want to know more about Wing Linux.

MusikMonk said:
Personally, I prefer having a Kernel that supports all Opal features before worrying about builds and packages.
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're right I also think that before we have a working kernel and then you can choose what you prefer
Linux is freedom

i tried android wing linux already , its cool thnx musik monk

Researching Linux / Android ROM

Hello everybody,
I'm Johan, I live in the netherlands and i'm doing a study Informatica->Software Engineer. For a schoolproject we have to write an Android Application, though i don't have Android running on my telephone natively. So i searched the internet and found out that on the XDA forums its all about custom roms and that there are some Android Roms available. Unfortunately nothing for my MDA Compact/HTC Magician yet.
After asking arround a bit and searching all over the internet I figured nowone actually was bothering to further investigate Android for Magician.
So even though I have no idea if it will ever gonna work i'm gonna try to document as much as possible, and I hope others might join this topic and give some (usefull!!) feedback.
These websites I think are the best place to start, as I don't have any experience with ROMS or Android-OS its gonna be a challenging task but if you guys have any idea's, suggestions or websites where we can find more information feel free to post comments.
Startpage for Magician info:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Magician
HaRET bootloader working on magician:
http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET
http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET_20Documentation
Linux kernel for Magician:
http://www.htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Kernel#Kernel_for_intel_PXA_based_devices
Current status for linux kernel:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=MagicianProgress
http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Magician
Source code for Android:
http://source.android.com/
How to build Android OS:
http://source.android.com/porting/build_system.html
Compatiblity test suite:
http://source.android.com/compatibility/cts-intro.html
Any feedback is apreciated but please don't make it like "nice, when is it finished?" or "its impossible!"
as I have no idea about both of those 2 comments yet, I'll have to figure that out on the go.

It should be possible, someone already ported android to pxa270!
http://www.mask.org.tw/demo.htm

need to throw in a kernel guess i ll fetch yet another magician if that happens!!!

Hi header2k and evildarknight, thanks for the input.
My chinese/tw isn't to good, so i googled for android and pxa270 and found the following website, no idea if its any usefull (currently not at home, and my datalimit on my laptop dislikes downloading 1,3GB so i'll have to see what it is when i'm at my desktop again.)
http://www.ntut.edu.tw/~wyliang/

This looks interesting, if it comes to testing, you can contact me!

guess my chinese aint better
can't somebody anybody compile the android froyo kernel 2.6.32 for the magician which seems to be inline with ph5 dev???

I can't read chinese either, but i wanted to link to the pdf files:
http://www.mask.org.tw/data/Android_Porting_on_PXA270.pdf
http://www.mask.org.tw/data/BringUp_Android_on_PXA270.pdf (he used files from: svn co https://android-pxa270.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/android-pxa270 android-pxa270 )
He uploaded his work, too(with two mirrors, after 原始碼 (1.3GB) 下載位置: )
His machine:
[email protected] <-- identical with our magician
64MB RAM <-- identical with our magician
32mb ROM <-- Isn't important because he used an external usb-stick with chroot - We can use our sdcard and haret
Toppoly TD035STEB1 <-- identical wth our magician

Setting up Dev-Team
So this proves i guess its a done deal already
But is it then just theoretically/closed project? or did he indeed release his sourcecode as well? Sourceforge SVN shows there isn't anything deposited.
Anyway, still want to use this on my telephone, no idea what it takes to use/modify his work. Anyone interested in actually joining the project-team to make it run on a telephone? cause in the pics in the powerpoint i see some laptop and some mainboard and touchscreen but not a MDA Compact/HTC Magician yet.

There are copies of the project www.mask.org.tw/data/release-sourceforge.tgz and www.ntut.edu.tw/~wyliang/release-sourceforge.tgz. I don't have access to a linux box at this moment. Need to fix my PC before working on android.

Hello, This is Mask from http://www.mask.org.tw
Hello, I am Mask and I found there are some traffic from xda-developers to my website, so I come here and found there are some discussion of my work before in last year.
I had open an android project for pxa270 on sourceforge, but I didn't know how to upload my source code to sourceforge, so I put the source code on my website and mirror sites.
I hope maybe I could help you if you are interest in "android porting" and some related topics.

mask.chung said:
Hello, I am Mask and I found there are some traffic from xda-developers to my website, so I come here and found there are some discussion of my work before in last year.
I had open an android project for pxa270 on sourceforge, but I didn't know how to upload my source code to sourceforge, so I put the source code on my website and mirror sites.
I hope maybe I could help you if you are interest in "android porting" and some related topics.
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Yes, i have a question. Do you have a pxafb.c driver that works with android and the 2.6.32 kernels?

sorry about that I have no time to maintain my android project for pxa270, and now I have no plan to keep to maintain it, maybe we could upload whole developing source code including all svn reversion from begin to now, do you know how to import svn to sourceforge ? thanks a lot.

Here is some information on SVN and sourceforge.
http://haacked.com/archive/2006/02/22/QuickstartGuidetoSubversiononSourceForge.aspx some older howto from 2006 not sure if its up to date
http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Subversion Official sourceforge howto.
http://tortoisesvn.net/ svn client

Kernel
Can someone test this kernel and see if it works as I do not have a magician to test it with.
If it does boot can you follow the steps posted here to see if android boots...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=658664

notime2d8 said:
Can someone test this kernel and see if it works as I do not have a magician to test it with.
If it does boot can you follow the steps posted here to see if android boots...
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I try to use kernel on Qtek S110(WM 6.1 by Cotulla), but get freeze screen on line "Jumping to Kernel...". When i use zImage from thread "Android 1.5 Cupcake on Universal" - again freeze on line "Jumping to Kernel...". Any ideas?
If you need to test something on Magician, contact me by ICQ 258113792.

Pavel A Safonov said:
I try to use kernel on Qtek S110(WM 6.1 by Cotulla), but get freeze screen on line "Jumping to Kernel...". When i use zImage from thread "Android 1.5 Cupcake on Universal" - again freeze on line "Jumping to Kernel...". Any ideas?
If you need to test something on Magician, contact me by ICQ 258113792.
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Make sure you have the radio turned on and not in airplane mode and wifi and bluetooth turned off. Also the correct machine type 875 in the startup text file or 855 if using the one for the universal.

i think set MTYPE 875 should be the right one

notime2d8 said:
Make sure you have the radio turned on and not in airplane mode and wifi and bluetooth turned off. Also the correct machine type 875 in the startup text file or 855 if using the one for the universal.
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When radio is turned on, Linux loading and stop on next lines:
1. With kernel for Magician
...
mmc0: new SD card at addess 41a8
mmcblk0: mmc0:41a8 SD01G 982 MiB
mmcvlk0: p1 p2 p3
Waiting for root device /dev/sdb2...
I wait more then 5 minutes, but nothing happens.
2. With kernel for Universal
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ds1wm: ds1wm: reset failed
Device vibrate all time and after last line turn off display.

Pavel A Safonov said:
When radio is turned on, Linux loading and stop on next lines:
1. With kernel for Magician
...
mmc0: new SD card at addess 41a8
mmcblk0: mmc0:41a8 SD01G 982 MiB
mmcvlk0: p1 p2 p3
Waiting for root device /dev/sdb2...
I wait more then 5 minutes, but nothing happens.
2. With kernel for Universal
...
ds1wm: ds1wm: reset failed
Device vibrate all time and after last line turn off display.
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Ok, don't use the universal kernel, from what you posted it seems that the kernel is not pointing to the correct memory card path in the startup text file or try reinserting the card.

If anybody knows how to build kernels i can provide the files and walk them through how i built the kernel for the universal which i have just gotten a very slow and unusable eclair (mostly due to hardware) working. I think this is the most i can help out as i don't have a magician.