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Stop Push Email over GPRS when WiFi ON ?

Hello there folks,
After much reconfiguring of our exchange server, i have push email working!
However, i have found that occasionally when WiFi is on, the phone will still sometimes try to establish a GPRS data connection.
Does anyone know of a way to stop it doing this? I would prefer WiFi to be the prefered data path.
Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks In Advance
G

push mail doesn't work over wifi. You need to keep the GPRS connected for this. You can still activesync over Wifi, but push mail is depending on a cellular network.

ahhhhhhhh, of course.
what an idiot i am..... thank you

That doesn't make sense to me. Push should work better over WiFi.

Although I don't know for sure, I wonder if the fact your GPRS IP address and WiFi one will necessarily be different makes the Wizard hop back onto GPRS if that's where the push session was established.
If you cancel push, then establish WiFi and then re-establish push, does it still try jump to GPRS?
Out of interest, what tweaking did you have to do to the server? Our IS guys applied the service pack, and for a brief period, I tested push and it worked, now it seems to have stopped working. I can establish the session, but nothing gets "pushed". If I log in to Outlook, OWA and push, I can see my test messages land on the first two, but nothing on the Wizard until I manually sync it...
Regards,
Dox

I'm not bothered by the fact that DP tried to re-establish my GPRS connection as much as the 8125 locking up whenever I enable WiFi while already in Direct Push mode. If I can figure out why that happens and stop it I can stop messing with my Wizard and actually enjoy it more.

M$ says that they can't support direct push over WiFi because the device turns off WiFi when in powersave mode which disables direct push.
I thought that was a lame reason and told them that at MEDC. We should be allowed to make that decision and direct push should adapt to whatever network connection we're using IMO.

This is not an issue of whether Direct Push should work over WiFi, this is an issue of not being able to use the device at all when WiFi is enabled while Direct Push is enabled.
If Direct Push wants to use a GPRS connection, fine, I don't mind. But I should be able to enable WiFi as well with no consequences, and Direct Push can still use the GPRS connection while the WiFi radio is on.
I have successfully tested this and it works. I was able to send my device an e-mail and have it notify me while WiFi is on, and when I browse the internet it uses the WiFi connection, not the GPRS one. But after a while of having both connections enabled, through some kind of bug or glitch the device will slow down till it eventually comes to a screeching halt.
There is no way that this is like this by design. If you can't enable WiFi with Direct Push enabled, then the system should force you to disable Direct Push before enabling WiFi or vice versa. But I believe it's a bug because even the WiFi icon has the ActiveSync animated connection when both connections are enabled, which leads me to believe that Microsoft had anticipated a WiFi connection being active while Direct Push is doing its business over GPRS.
Now, if you could please give all of that to MS, and maybe get some kind of reply I would be forever in your debt!

If you're getting lockups with WiFi/DirectPush then take a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=50223

Agile multi service messnger Free Beta w/ working PTT

Hey all. Downloaded and installed the new Agile messenger beta last night. Let me just say it is phenominal and no issues of button jacking. I assigned the voice command button as my PTT and chatted up my buddy at work who was offline at the time. When I got to work he told me he had received the voice msg loud and clear. I suggest you all grab it while it's still free and hold onto it for later reflashing. After I closed the app my VC button functioned as normal. Hats off for an outstanding product. I wonder what else the released version will have ?
http://agilemobile.com/downloads.html

Thanks!

My pleasure guttrhead. 4 different instant messengers all working at the same time. I can easily text one friend and send voice messages to others. I've only used over wifi so I cannot speak to cellular lines.

Thanks Farooq. (The original diseminator of information) I just beat him to the post. lololol

I installed it and everything went smoothly, but I cannot seem to connect to any of my messengers.can use the Instant Messaging Program that shipped iwth my MDA and that works fine. Any ideas?

Maybe your network selections ? I have mine set to only connect through a wifi connection.

Which button do you use as the push to talk?
I tried various buttons but it doesn't recognize it.
I have the Qtek 9000 Universal btw.

ih8unot said:
Maybe your network selections ? I have mine set to only connect through a wifi connection.
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well i use my GPRS setting to connect my other instant messengers. Can this only be used if WiFI is present?

Should work either way, wifi or GPRS/EDGE. I only use the wifi as I'm near several AP's at work and two at home.

deleted dbl post, sorry.

I am using GPRS to connect.
I find the connection cut off or I should say the application stopped after a while of idle.
Can you guys suggest any method to keep the connection on for a long period of time.
thanks

There is a registry key that you have to change for that.

I find that I can get on agile when I have my cingular proxy enabled on my EDGE connection. When I use EDGE without the proxy it works great.

For those of you who are having trouble with GPRS, please try Vijay555's software.
http://www.vijay555.com/?Releases:VJVolubilis
It allows you to create icons on the desktop so that you can toggle the GPRS on and off again. Also does Bluetooth, Wifi and others (I only use the 3 above). The instructions that you need to pay attention to is at the bottom of the page where instructions are available for you to put in a simple command to turn on/off the feature you want.
There's also another software out there that is a lot simpler which just turns on the GPRS:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=49839&highlight=gprs
Try that and see if Agile stays on by toggling the GPRS that way.
FYI, I'm using the vijay555 software. I like it. Always wanted to have icons on the desktop to turn features on and off.
Vijay555 - You're the greatest!
Hope that helps.

is this the version of agile messenger that disconnects the phone from the service operator (when you have to retype your pin and so on)?
the problem we had with the alpha-version...

I'm connected using WiFi but don't seem to be able to send any pictures (from my camera - MDA Pro).

daviden said:
is this the version of agile messenger that disconnects the phone from the service operator (when you have to retype your pin and so on)?
the problem we had with the alpha-version...
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I do not believe this error is present in the beta.

rats. doesn't work for me. just sits there at the google connect ans waits..... and waits..... and, you get the picture.
and hints on getting this working via gtalk?
i'm using a tmobile mda.
thanks.
PS.. how about an option to edit a created account? just being able to add/delete my not allow us to fine tune a defined connection.

mr skot,
as far as I know, t-mobile and google don't play well together.
I've and along with a bunch of others are having problems connecting to google via the T-mobile USA GPRS connection.
That might be the problem you're facing.
Supposedly T-mobile is looking into it.
But a forum member also mentioned that they've been looking into it for a long long time.

Clueless
Ok, so I am still trying to learn how to use the full potential of my MDA. I was told by TMobile that in order to use these applications that utilize the GPRS Network that I had to purchase full internet access that gave me access to GPRS. Is this true? I was under the assumption that GPRS access is included in baasic phone service...

Direct Push registry settings?

I'm trying to see if there's some kind of registry setting that would allow Direct Push to use an available WiFi connection as opposed to forcing a GPRS connection. While searching for relevant keys, I came across these:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\ActiveSync]
"LastUIState"=dword:00000000
"KeepAlive"=dword:00000001
"MIMETruncation"=dword:0003E800
"MailBodyTruncation"=dword:FFFFFFFF
"DeviceID"="F0393738D4933383B0EF2423F0667416"
"SyncAPN"=""
"SendMailItemsImmediately"=dword:00000001
"PeakStartTime"=dword:000001E0
"PeakEndTime"=dword:00000438
"OutboundMailDelay"=dword:00000005
"MinHeartbeat"=dword:000001E0
"MaxHeartbeat"=dword:00000690
"HeartbeatIncrement"=dword:0000012C
"InitialHeartbeat"=dword:000001E0
"EnableNonLocalCrossPollination"=dword:00000000
"Device"="PPC"
"TcpPingRetryStepMs"=dword:000009C4
"TcpPingTcpRetries"=dword:00000005
"TcpPingDnsRetries"=dword:00000001
"Interval"=dword:00000000
"Retries"=dword:00000001
"Resilience"=dword:00000002
"NotifySyncDelay"=dword:00000000
"DisconnectWhenDone"=dword:00000001
"SyncWhenRoaming"=dword:00000000
"MailFileAttachments"=dword:00000000
"SaveSentItems"=dword:00000001
"BodyTruncation"=dword:00001400
"CalendarAgeFilter"=dword:00000004
"EmailAgeFilter"=dword:00000002
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\ActiveSync\Partners]
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\ActiveSync\Partners\{0DFDB9E1-74E0-5744-15C0-1CD660E700DF}]
"RetryCount"=dword:00000000
"RetryInterval"=dword:00000000
"LastSyncSuccess"=hex:80,73,DE,05,78,74,C6,01
"LastSyncAttempt"=hex:80,73,DE,05,78,74,C6,01
"LastSyncResult"=dword:00000000
"ErrorSeverity"=dword:00000000
"LastPingResult"=dword:06000701
"ServerNameChanged"=dword:00000000
"URI"=""
"EnrollForCertOnNextCradle"=dword:00000000
"DeviceSMSAddress"=""
"DeviceAddressingMethod"=dword:00000000
"CarrierConnector"=""
"Server"="mobile.exchange.mail2web.com"
"ClientRenegotiated"=dword:00000000
"EmailAddress"=""
"IsSecureIdServer"=dword:00000000
"TasksFolderId"="1b5349336f74fd48be3b785536ff9688-1d7f0ab"
"ContactsFolderId"="1b5349336f74fd48be3b785536ff9688-1d7f0a7"
"CalendarFolderId"="1b5349336f74fd48be3b785536ff9688-1d7f0a6"
"AutdSupportLevel"=dword:00000003
"PartnerIndex"=dword:00000001
"ClientProtocolVersion"="2.5"
"ClientNegotiated"=dword:00000001
"TempAirsyncVersion"="2.5"
"CommandsSupported"="Sync,SendMail,SmartForward,SmartReply,GetAttachment,GetHierarchy,CreateCollection,DeleteCollection,MoveCollection,FolderSync,
FolderCreate,FolderDelete,FolderUpdate,MoveItems,GetItemEstimate,MeetingResponse,ResolveRecipients,ValidateCert,Provision,Search,Notify,Ping"
"MSAS-ProtocolVersions"="1.0,2.0,2.1,2.5"
"ClientAuthCertRequired"=dword:00000000
"Logging"=dword:00000000
"ConflictResolution"=dword:00000001
"Domain"="ad2"
"User"= <Exchange User Name Here>
"SavePassword"=dword:00000001
"UseSSL"=dword:00000001
"StoreType"=dword:00000003
"Engine"="{22C7DA12-F3FD-4875-8344-7786454F6534}"
"Name"="Exchange Server"
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\ActiveSync\Partners\{0DFDB9E1-74E0-5744-15C0-1CD660E700DF}\{783AE4F6-4C12-4423-8270-66361260D4F1}]
"Enabled"=dword:00000001
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\ActiveSync\Partners\{0DFDB9E1-74E0-5744-15C0-1CD660E700DF}\{C6D47067-6E92-480E-B0FC-4BA82182FAC7}]
"Enabled"=dword:00000001
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\ActiveSync\Partners\{0DFDB9E1-74E0-5744-15C0-1CD660E700DF}\{4A5D9FE0-F139-4A63-A5A4-4F31CEEA02AD}]
"Enabled"=dword:00000001
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\ActiveSync\Partners\{0DFDB9E1-74E0-5744-15C0-1CD660E700DF}\{0DD8685C-E272-4FCB-9ECF-2EAD7EA2497B}]
"Enabled"=dword:00000001
Assuming Microsoft was kind enough to include a registry setting to allow this (maybe they did it during testing), what names and values do you guys think could hold relevance to what we're looking for?

I spotted some of these keys when digging around. When I first implemented direct push I found that it has transmitting some traffic every 8 mins (there was also a problem with our ISA server dropping the https connection after 2 mins but that is another story).
Any I have changed one of those settings and from 8 mins to about 28 and the traffic count has dropped. Although I did hear that the settings are automatically updated as the system is used.
I find I need to turn off direct push if I want to use wi-fi which is a pain .

I suspect the ISA server drops the connection every 2mins because that is the default timeout value on the web listener.
Change that to 30mins (18000ms) as per the KB article (can't be arsed looking up the number).

mobileadam said:
I find I need to turn off direct push if I want to use wi-fi which is a pain .
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I wholeheartedly agree. To quote what I said in another thread:
This is not an issue of whether Direct Push should work over WiFi, this is an issue of not being able to use the device at all when WiFi is enabled while Direct Push is enabled.
If Direct Push wants to use a GPRS connection, fine, I don't mind. But I should be able to enable WiFi as well with no consequences, and Direct Push can still use the GPRS connection while the WiFi radio is on.
I have successfully tested this and it works. I was able to send my device an e-mail and have it notify me while WiFi is on, and when I browse the internet it uses the WiFi connection, not the GPRS one. But after a while of having both connections enabled, through some kind of bug or glitch the device will slow down till it eventually comes to a screeching halt.
There is no way that this is like this by design. If you can't enable WiFi with Direct Push enabled, then the system should force you to disable Direct Push before enabling WiFi or vice versa. But I believe it's a bug because even the WiFi icon has the ActiveSync animated connection graphic when both connections are enabled, which leads me to believe that Microsoft had anticipated a WiFi connection being active while Direct Push is doing its business over GPRS.

[IDEA][APP] Push Mail Wifi

Hello,
I dont know if this has been brought up. But I dont have a data plan but I would like to have push mail which I know is not possible with Wifi. As far as I know, push mail sends a message to the phone and tells it to connect to server to DL message.
Is there any way to intercept that message and have Wifi turn on to download the message?
Thanks

If you turn on the wifi before launching the email doesn't it use it instead? this does not solve the problem as you mentioned but at least you get the email via wifi...

pushmail and wifi is just a bad idea. pushmail only works properly with an "always on" connection. wifi sucks way too much power and i doubt and device can stay on for more than 6 hours. also wifi it turned off as soon as the device goes into sleep mode to save power
that said, i game across cooked roms in the past that had pushmail enabled on wifi

Email sync via 3G NOT wifi even though available

I have looked and looked, and cant seem to find a solution that works for me. I am with Telstra in Australia (why do Telstra like to make things so difficult??)
My problem is that my Outlook Email will only sync with exchange via 3G even though there is a working wifi connection availalable. I get heaps of mail so I am rapidly going through nearly 1G of data each month - even though I am on a good package this is not ideal!!
From my understanding of this thread ... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611724&highlight=activesync+work+connection I updated the Broadcomm Network Adaptors to Internet (they were Work), and then deleted the proxy settings for the Telstra Internet connection.
BUT still my mail is updating over 3G and not wifi. I can access Internet etc over wifi though.
Interestingly, I can only update Bigpond mail over wifi and not 3G. Thats not a big deal as I get minimal mail to that account and I am happy to check it at home - its the Outlook email thats chewing up heaps of data that I worried about.
I hope that I cant be the only one with this problem so if anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate it! (I know it will be one check box deep in the phone settings, I just dont know which one it is!)
Thanks

That's how it works. Push (Activesync connection) needs a direct connection between the server and device, so that the server can page the device when it's got something for it. This wouldn't work through wifi, because when you're on wifi you're behind a router, which doesn't allow connections from the outside to reach your device. So Activesync will always want to use the data connection.
One thing you can do is NOT to set activesync to receive new mail when it arrives, but only manually or at time intervals, it might work.
Or, simply set it to download only the first 5kB of each message, which is always enough to see what the mail is about , and you can always click "download whole message" for those you need. If you manage to use 1GB with 5kB messages, you're really spending your life on your email box

Thanks so much.
You would think that if Blackberry and Apple have managed to get their email to push over wifi that MS could get Direct Push to work over wifi too!! I've disabled MS Direct Push and changed Active Sync to check every 5 minutes. So, its not quite the same, but its near enough for me!
Thanks again ... I will stop searching for the solution now (and will reduce the download setting too ...)

Sarah, same exact problem here, it really annoyed me, then only way I could have used wifi to sync my outlook, Gmail, etc(which have the same issue) is to set the phone to Airplane mode and then enable wifi, only then it will sync via wifi.
Thank you Kilrah, that was a very spot on answer - it is very apreciated !
Cheers !