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HTC 8125 - Enable manual network selection - Cingular

I have searched and searched and still cannot figure out where & what to edit in the WM5 registry on my Cingular 8125 to allow me to manually select networks and edit the preferred networks list.
These items are blocked out on Cingular phones. I'm sure this can be brought back with registry hacks, but I've yet to find them
For those of us who do not want to update the complete ROM to an unsupported and/or problematic build - please help!! :shock:
The problem is that the near-by ATT tower gives me a full signal on my MPX200, the Cingular tower gives me 0 to 1 bar!
My new 8125 will only let me access the Cingular tower (with only 0 to 1 bar!) I need to be able to hop on the ATT tower manually, and set it as my preferred network.
Thanks for any help in advance. I've spent hours upon hours reading here, so I know you guys know your stuff! Come on, Come on...

did you load the extended rom on your 8125?
if not, there is an "enable eons" cab file that you may want to run. it won't allow manual network selection, but it should log you on to whatever tower is strongest...

how can i do that on my Tmobile MDA?

I'm also having a problem with reception issues, I called Cing and the tech support told me that my 8125 was setup to be ATT preferred even though my strongest and closest tower was Cing.
The lady said she switched me to Cing preferred and that I should notice a change in ~24 hrs, I guess I'll find out in another 13 hrs.

SkyyBoy said:
did you load the extended rom on your 8125?
if not, there is an "enable eons" cab file that you may want to run. it won't allow manual network selection, but it should log you on to whatever tower is strongest...
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Where is the extended rom? Is that all the Cingular stuff that installed on the first boot? If so, then yes, it's loaded.
Where can in find the enable eons cab you're talking about?
EDIT: I found what you are talking about, in FTP. I need to find detailed descriptions of these before I install them. Might be a work around, but still not exactly what we all need to get our WM5 back to normal. Thanks though.
I really wish someone could find the reg edits needed to bring these options back!
Anyone???

SkyyBoy said:
did you load the extended rom on your 8125?
if not, there is an "enable eons" cab file that you may want to run. it won't allow manual network selection, but it should log you on to whatever tower is strongest...
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I'm not so sure that CAB file is our friend. I'm running the latest AKU 2.2 ROM (2.25) without any Cingular files installed and man do I get much better reception. Used to be that I'd drop calls twice (at least between office & home) but not a problem since I stopped loading those Cing CABs!

kyphur said:
I'm not so sure that CAB file is our friend. I'm running the latest AKU 2.2 ROM (2.25) without any Cingular files installed and man do I get much better reception. Used to be that I'd drop calls twice (at least between office & home) but not a problem since I stopped loading those Cing CABs!
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So, do you have the options to set up your preferred networks? And manually choose which network to connect to?
Start > Settings > Phone > Options > Network tab
???
And how stable is that 2.25 ROM? Which product exactly was it meant for?
Thanks a bunch

Well I just upgraded to Cingular_RUU_WIZARD_217_AKU22_Basic.exe and still have the same problem!
I went ahead and let the customizations install. It's gotta be one of those cabs that removing the manual network selection and preferred networks options!
This sucks because I want everything EXCEPT the one that's causing this. If I stop the customization process by soft-resetting right before it starts, is there a way to install the cabs one at a time??? Where are they actually stored on the device, I cant seem to find them.
Thanks in advance...

Ok, for an update...
I re-flashed to Cingular_RUU_WIZARD_217_AKU22_Basic.exe and this time I did not let the customizations run. I did a soft-reset at the 3sec prompt.
Phone booted up, everything looks OEM, nothing Cingular at all. However... I STILL DO NOT have the options I'm looking for in Start > Settings > Phone > Network tab
There is supposed to be an option in WM5 to change between manual and automatic network selection, and a preferred networks list editor...
This is ridiculous! Is there maybe a block built into the SIM? How can I edit the SIM then? I NEED to remove this crap that Cingular's built in. Not letting us select networks and manage our preferred list is BS!
I really cannot believe there is no fix/hack out here yet for this... Help some one please!!

What SIM card do you have?
The solution may be worked around in the software but all Cingular 64k SIMS block setting preferred networks.
Cingular lately has been working to put a stop to excessive off network useage...hence the EONS file but that still is set by the SIM to save the preference.
Im sure someone with skills can write an app to load at startup that can do the same functions but at stock it's not possible.

I just confirmed that!! Damn SIM cards.
I was able to dig out my old ATT sim card and ALL the settings I was looking for were there!
Some one PLEASE come up with a way to either edit Cingular SIMs not to do this, or block them from doing it... please!

Check your PM, may be able to help you a bit

Thanks Decepticon, a possible work around. However, I really would like to put everyone to the test and fix this by blocking Cingulars SIM or registry entries from disabling network selection and preferred networks.
Here is an update every one:
Developers, listen up, shine for us on this one please
HKLM\Security\Phone\
L: 0
ManualDisable: 1
PreferredDisable: 1
I changed the two 1's to 0's and bam! I have the settings under Start > Settings > Phone > Network tab
I can view all networks, set to manual, look at preferred list, etc etc
BUT... when clicking OK, get an error "Unable to save settings on network, try again". So no settings stick
Also, after a softboot (properly waiting for registry to save) the above settings go back to 1's.
This has got to be something in the SIM, a program in Startup, or a registry setting that keeps changing these settings back upon boot. Because they are not programmed out, just blocked at boot.
Here is what I have listed in Startup:
CapNotify
custTDYTSK
Init_Tray
Magic_Button
poutlook
sddaemon
WiFiInit
Any of them suspicious?
Let's bang this out folks...
Can someone attempt to view Cingulars SIM contents and block whatever changes these registry values?
Anyhow, just some more info for ya'll :wink:

jberylec said:
I can view all networks, set to manual, look at preferred list, etc etc
BUT... when clicking Ok, get an error "Unable to save settings on network, try again". So no settings stick
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That's when it attempts to save the preferences to the SIM.
Unfortunately editing the registry wont be able to get this accompolished but I do hope someone can write a program that saves the preferences on the phone and use it to override the SIM upon tower selection.

Settings don't stay with a non-Cingular SIM after reboot
I used a foreign SIM on my Cingular 8125 and after registry was changed and soft reset it defaulted to origninal Cingular settings. Truley SAD! Any other ideas about registies that could make the Manual Network selection become available for use permanently? Got to be something else. How about posting the registy values from other HTC's (non-Cingular) or Cingular with that activated feature to perceive the difference.

You keep referring to:
Start > Settings > Phone > etc.
On my 8125, when I go to Start > Settings the only tabs I have to choose from are Personal, System, and Connections. Where is this Phone tab you keep mentioning?

BTW, I am running the Dopod 2.21 WWE rom on my Cingular 8125. I do have manual network selection available in the Phone control panel settings.

maxh said:
You keep referring to:
Start > Settings > Phone > etc.
On my 8125, when I go to Start > Settings the only tabs I have to choose from are Personal, System, and Connections. Where is this Phone tab you keep mentioning?
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It's not a tab. It's an icon in there. Click on it to open the phone settings. Then go to the "Network" tab at the bottom. You'll see a screen that just tells you what Network it's on, and one button called "Find Network".
Cingular's SIM card blocks the other buttons that let you manually select which networks to connect to, and lets you save your preferred network list.

SkyyBoy said:
BTW, I am running the Dopod 2.21 WWE rom on my Cingular 8125. I do have manual network selection available in the Phone control panel settings.
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So do you have those options WITH a Cingular SIM card in the phone?? Or are you using a different carriers SIM???

Common CONFUSION about SIM and FIRMWARE
Folks, the manual selection of the network is simply blocked in certain versions of ROM. Cingular in particular and on purpose has started doing that especially in the late versions of so-called HTC/Cingular ROM editions. Everything is about money now. So depending on SIM card (straight 64K or 3g 64k) your phone has more or less tendency to stick to this preferred CINGULAR network. However your ability to choose network manually solely depends on the ROM of your PDA/phone. I personally like Dopod 838 Rom 2.21 etc which works a whole lot better in all aspects. Trust my experience. AND you DO HAVE this ABILITY to manully select a provider. One more thing! Using a simple 64k SIM card on CINGULAR ROMS gives you FAR BETTER RECEPTION AND CLARITY than on 3g SIM card.

GPRS Connecting at startup!

Have searched for this and find nothing:
Whenever I restart my TyTn, GPRS connects automatically. I have not configured my email to check for mails at specific intervals. Please help me with this. Thanks!

I think your connection is configured as "always on". You can change it in the registry....

danielherrero said:
I think your connection is configured as "always on". You can change it in the registry....
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Indeed, or if you're not confident about changing registry use something like Tweaks2k2 to make the change for you along with lots of other little tricks.
http://www.tweaks2k2.com/portal/staticpages/index.php?page=20050224182009983
requires .net framework also downloadable on same page
Mike

You could try a less drastic approach:
Check:
Settings, Connection-tab, Connections, Advance-tab.
(hope this is correct, I don't have an english rom-version)
There you should be able to select which connection is automatically used. I have this on T-Mobile default connection since I have an unlimited dataplan and use direct-push.
When using the phone as modem, I have to switch this "off"/different setting eg. work connection to avoid conflicts.
Hope this helps

drbrains said:
You could try a less drastic approach:
Check:
Settings, Connection-tab, Connections, Advance-tab.
(hope this is correct, I don't have an english rom-version)
There you should be able to select which connection is automatically used. I have this on T-Mobile default connection since I have an unlimited dataplan and use direct-push.
When using the phone as modem, I have to switch this "off"/different setting eg. work connection to avoid conflicts.
Hope this helps
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We like drastic, drastic is sooooo gooood!!
Seriously though the originator does not say he does not want to use GPRS only that he does not want it starting automatically. So the connection type maybe correct only it needs its bottom smacked for running off without daddy. We have ways in the registry to control such dis-respectful behaviour and baby Hermes must be punished or else get sent to bed with no active sync with Mummy.
Mike

Thanks for your help. I am quite comfortable with editing the registry. What specifically in the registry should I edit. Thanks!
EDIT: I already FOUND it! Thanks for the help everyone!!!

HERE IT IS. Cingular WAP CAB Setup

Many noobs keep asking how to setup Cingular WAP, My ISP, and MEdiaNet connections after their new ROM upgrade. I made a CAB file to make it easier. Just run the Cab and it does it for you.
I actually made it since I was getting tired of doing it manually after each HR, which most of us do on XDA. It was not rocket science, and I know there are members working on a nice GUI for ALL carriers WAP settings, this should help in the meantime.
EDIT: Uploaded wrong CAB. New one is good.
EDIT: Added CAB with Both WAP and MMS.
EDIT: Fixed w/MMS CAB to add the Cingular Settings as the default.
EDIT: Replaced with Fixed CAB for Exchange AS and the user/pass stick now. Also added OPEN DNS servers for quicker "locating"
EDIT: Added No ICON Change CAB as requested.

wpbear said:
Many noobs keep asking how to setup Cingular WAP, My ISP, and MEdiaNet connections after their new ROM upgrade. I made a CAB file to make it easier. Just run the Cab and it does it for you.
I actually made it since I was getting tired of doing it manually after each HR, which most of us do on XDA. It was not rocket science, and I know there are members working on a nice GUI for ALL carriers WAP settings, this should help in the meantime.
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Wow, thanks wpbear, that will come in handy when I finally do decide to upgrade to WM6

Does this include the MMS settings?

Installation of Cingular WAP Settings.cab was unsuccessful

rkorzuch said:
Does this include the MMS settings?
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No maybe I will look into adding that.

slimsaturn said:
Installation of Cingular WAP Settings.cab was unsuccessful
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Do you already have the Cingular settigns there and ran this over it, maybe the Reg Keys cant be written if you already have a Cingular setup or if you are just online at the time. I tested it by deleting my connetions and, since My ISP cant be deleted totally, I blanked all the info from it. Then ran the CAB and SR then I had my settings correct.
Also it is tested on Hermes only and the reg keys came from WM6. I can not test on WM5 right now.

I only set up the wap settings. I deleted that first then tried to run it.

slimsaturn said:
I only set up the wap settings. I deleted that first then tried to run it.
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I had just did a cleared storage so my phone was plain no settings ad I was unsuccessful also.n

I just re-uploaded a newer one, maybe I uploaded the wrong one or it was a bad transfer on my end. The new one is in the first post.
Check 1st post again for MMS.

That should do it the old one was 4kb

Cool. I am one of the quilty ones that did not know how to set it up so I definately appreciate it. I ended up figuring this out around 2am this morning.
But the downloads still seem a little slow. Im using 1.27 radio and XDA 0.20.1.

I noticed the MMS CAB didn't put the Cingular Setting as the "Default" in the new LVSW version so I fixed the second CAB.
Also I noticed that sometimes all the connection/modem settings are correct except the User name and Password sometimes do not stick. All the other info stays.
If it doesn't stick after the soft reset:
User Name: [email protected]
Pass: CINGULAR1
THESE ARE CASE SENSITIVE! Even adding this little bit is better than creating the entire connection every HR. I am looking at the CAB to see if I can make it better. Probably have to write an XML file to do, I hate those so...

Cannot install either
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Installation of Cingular WAP Settings.cab was unsuccessful
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This is exactly what I need but I'm getting the same error. Tried running the Cab from main memory and from my storage card. Using LVSW on a TYTN - no settings currently exist so there's nothing to overwrite. Please help.
Edited: installing directly from this thread (rather then downloading and moving to my device seems to work)

jvence said:
This is exactly what I need but I'm getting the same error. Tried running the Cab from main memory and from my storage card. Using LVSW on a TYTN - no settings currently exist so there's nothing to overwrite. Please help.
Edited: installing directly from this thread (rather then downloading and moving to my device seems to work)
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I think these problems are from bad downloads. The ftp has caused this on other downloads for me latelty. A redownload fixed it on other cab I have tried. I had the problem on 8525software.com before too.

COnfused
wpbear said:
Many noobs keep asking how to setup Cingular WAP, My ISP, and MEdiaNet connections after their new ROM upgrade. I made a CAB file to make it easier. Just run the Cab and it does it for you.
I actually made it since I was getting tired of doing it manually after each HR, which most of us do on XDA. It was not rocket science, and I know there are members working on a nice GUI for ALL carriers WAP settings, this should help in the meantime.
EDIT: Uploaded wrong CAB. New one is good.
EDIT: Added CAB with Both WAP and MMS.
EDIT: Fixed w/MMS CAB to add the Cingular Settings as the default.
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Tried your fix with wm6 on 8525 that you have and still get message current connection cannot be used. Any suggestions.

Trouble With Exchange ActiveSync
WpBear, I really appreciate you setting up these CABs. But I have to report a problem I encountered which caused me some major stress on Friday until I figured it out.
Basically after applying your settings CAB after flashing a new ROM, the first thing I want to do is set up Exchange ActiveSync with my work email so I can get over-the-air synch.
I had previously flashed Kyphur's WM6 ROM, entered my data settings manually, set up my Exchange synch manually, and all was working well for several days.
I ended up flashing Kyphur's ROM again and decided to take advantage of your Cingular Settings CAB to save a little time. Of course, foolishly I did not check out my Exchange synch assuming it would work. I went ahead and installed all my other apps and got the phone back into shape. Next morning (Friday) I noticed I did not have any work emails waiting on the phone - strange.
I then tested the Exchange synch and found it did not work. I was getting an ActiveSync error on the phone about needing a cellular connection to perform the synch (which took me several hours to find).
Bottom line is, no matter what I did with the MEdia Net or My ISP connections , I could not get rid of the ActiveSync error. The only thing I can do is reflash the ROM and enter data settings manually. I have already done this and confirmed it works - I can now synch over-the-air with Exchange again.
Anyway, I just wanted to put this message out there in case anyone else encounters this problem. Hopefully it will save them from the stress and panic I encountered for a while until I figured it out.

wap settings and activesync
I have the same problem. if I install the cingular cabs my active sync gives errors. have to use HTweakC with LVSW to keep data connection always on after manually setting carrier wap settings. but th problem is now my Cingular MediaNET MMS doesn't connect.

Same here, I have tried manual setup and the attached CAB files, both fail to give connection to Cingular MEdiaNet MMS when using LVSW.

kevntrace said:
The only thing I can do is reflash the ROM and enter data settings manually.
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I do hope you meant to say you were doing a hard reset (versus literally reflashing the ROM) each time you had to start fresh...?

If you are not using exchange server AS then check if you are username and password are entered. Thia was a mentioned problem I listed a few posts back. As far as AS exchange I do not use this since the agency I work for does not allow personal devices sync with theirs. I use POP3 and tested it this way.

How to WM not connect GPRS automatically?

I configured my WM to connect to Internet via GPRS, but it always connect to Internet automatically. What is the way to stop that?
Thanhks.

Tiemahanzeroseven said:
Mod Edit: Rude, insulting and irrelevant comment removed
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hey, guy! You are a very impolite person?
I don't care about who you are, what u do. But when u say it to me, i think you are uneducated.
This forum is a place where everybody exchanges knowledges.
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If you respect yourself, never post anything like that.

change gprs settings.
one way you can do this is to change your default gprs settings. so that it will try to auto connect, but will fail. the bad effect is, everytime you need to use gprs, you have to modify and after using modify again. so not very convenient.
i would suggest to try this, creat two gprs settings, one working, other error, like set you apn as error.internet.gsm. when you need gprs, use correct one, when you are finished, remember to select error one. battery status plugin will be very handy for changing connections.
but i believe there has to be a better way to do it. like in nokia or SE they ask before connect.

rajib said:
one way you can do this is to change your default gprs settings. so that it will try to auto connect, but will fail. the bad effect is, everytime you need to use gprs, you have to modify and after using modify again. so not very convenient.
i would suggest to try this, creat two gprs settings, one working, other error, like set you apn as error.internet.gsm. when you need gprs, use correct one, when you are finished, remember to select error one. battery status plugin will be very handy for changing connections.
but i believe there has to be a better way to do it. like in nokia or SE they ask before connect.
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Simple & wise idea. Your presence of mind is superb brother...
Kudos
\m/

T-mobile Pro 2 Push Internet

I have been going through the t-mobile version of the touch pro 2 and I have not been able to find the settings for "Push Internet".
I did a quick google and found that the T-mobile EU version has removed it, so I assume that the US version also has the same problem.
Is this a rom upgrade issue or is there a cab that can be installed to override the t-mobile settings on the touchflo 3D 2.1?
Thanks,

tech_e said:
I have been going through the t-mobile version of the touch pro 2 and I have not been able to find the settings for "Push Internet".
I did a quick google and found that the T-mobile EU version has removed it, so I assume that the US version also has the same problem.
Is this a rom upgrade issue or is there a cab that can be installed to override the t-mobile settings on the touchflo 3D 2.1?
Thanks,
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Unless someone on this forum is really clever, I think that we will have to wait until we can flash to a different rom

skyler17 said:
Unless someone on this forum is really clever, I think that we will have to wait until we can flash to a different rom
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I was hoping that like many things disabled from the pro 2, a quick registry hack might be possible. Anyone know how?

sorry, removed! but at least the FM radio and extra camera settings are found on this blog!

try in here...
HKCU/Software/HTC/Manila.
among the sub file:
-Internet.SetOperaForeground
-InternetPush.PostFirstRun
-PushMailOn
-DefaultBrowserIsIE
those look like points of interest. try changing the values around on those. i already turned the push mail on. but i havent seen a difference yet. maybe because i havent rebooted. but yeah, ill try those and get back to you..

I maybe too newbie but is it T-Mobile (UK?) settings?
Has the push function been removed from the ROM, or is it T-Mobile settings... I couldn't get MS Exchange to sync with T-Mobile default 3g settings so used these which worked... I don't know if it will help th push internet too... Just trying to help, if it's not relevant then flaming not appreciated!
Under the connections tab, edit existing connections...
ISP Name - T-Mobile GPRS
Name of Connection T-Mobile GPRS
Connection Type - Cellular Line (GPRS, 3G)
Portal - general.t-mobile.uk
Username - user
Password - one2one
The default settings use a proxy server which some applications don't like.

josh_prayyforplagues said:
try in here...
HKCU/Software/HTC/Manila.
among the sub file:
-Internet.SetOperaForeground
-InternetPush.PostFirstRun
-PushMailOn
-DefaultBrowserIsIE
those look like points of interest. try changing the values around on those. i already turned the push mail on. but i havent seen a difference yet. maybe because i havent rebooted. but yeah, ill try those and get back to you..
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I took a look through the registry, I went through the whole thing. I notice in software/HTC/manila there is the settings for push internet. I messed with some settings and it looks like the push internet is enabled by default but the touchflo program is missing the push internet settings button.
Is there a way to hack the layout links on the TF program through the reg?

I dont think you can access TF settings through the registry. i have seen many settings for it. just a couple here and there. We may need a fix for it in the form of a CAB. i dont see anyone figuring this out through RegEdits. im sure a lot of people have been through it and tried different things, so we may just have to wait for a new ROM?

tech_e said:
I have been going through the t-mobile version of the touch pro 2 and I have not been able to find the settings for "Push Internet".
I did a quick google and found that the T-mobile EU version has removed it, so I assume that the US version also has the same problem.
Is this a rom upgrade issue or is there a cab that can be installed to override the t-mobile settings on the touchflo 3D 2.1?
Thanks,
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what do you mean 'push internet'??? are you referring to push email?

201reyes said:
what do you mean 'push internet'??? are you referring to push email?
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Push internet is a new thing in the TP2. It downloads web pages on a schedule so they're ready when you need it. T-mobile took out the feature, presumably to save bandwidth.

Epiktetus said:
Push internet is a new thing in the TP2. It downloads web pages on a schedule so they're ready when you need it. T-mobile took out the feature, presumably to save bandwidth.
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aahhh!!! didn't know that...thanx

I have been checking through reg again.
I think that in the Hkey_CU/Software/HTC/Manila/ we are missing some of the Keys to push internet. I see that you can setup some of the push internet features but there are no options like the URL, download times, or anything, but just below the same area allows you to configure almost every other auto download service like schedule your stock, and download times, weather, auto-download.
Maybe someone with push internet working can post a pic of the push internet settings from Hkey_CU/Software/HTC/Manila/

There's also bound to be an XML file or additional settings in the existing one (InternetPortal-en-us.xml) and t-mobile might have removed a DLL or two. What we really need is a file-comparison of the two devices as well as a registry comparison.