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battery life...

As we know the battery life for the jasJar isn't exactly mind blowing...
However, i was thinking is it safe to leave the m5000, plugged to the mains? and the logic being the less you use the battery the longer the life of the battery over time?
or, is it bad to keep the device charging as this limits the life of the battery? is anyone a expert in this area? :roll: :?

Li-Ion batts are better off with frequent short charge than deep charging. It performs best if kept at 40% level. Once in a while, maybe 30 charge cycle, do a full discharge to rest the gauge and your batt should last you quite a while. By the way, all li-ion have a lifespan of 2 -3 years and the clock starts ticking as it leave the production line!

so its not a good idea to keep it on mains power, so its not using the battery?

unfortunately, universal has li-pol battery. (ok, it's not too much difference)

This site explains quite detail about batteries: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone.htm

Leechoonhwee said:
It performs best if kept at 40% level.
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Are you advocating that we should take it off the charger when it reaches 40%?
Or wait till it reaches 30%, then charge it up to 50%, and so on, so that a great deal of it's time is spent at 40% or what? I'm confused.

If storing the battery long-term it is best stored @ 40% charge, wrapped in a bag and kept in a fridge (not frozen).
To maximise battery life avoid repeated deep-discharges.
Keeping the unit on a charger when available will help to maximise the lifespan of the battery.

mstar said:
However, i was thinking is it safe to leave the m5000, plugged to the mains? and the logic being the less you use the battery the longer the life of the battery over time?
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Yes, that is correct and it is safe.

allenf said:
mstar said:
However, i was thinking is it safe to leave the m5000, plugged to the mains? and the logic being the less you use the battery the longer the life of the battery over time?
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Yes, that is correct and it is safe.
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Hi,
Perhaps a mute point but replacement batteries cost about £20 - If i got 2years out of it, i think thats good value.
Had a M2000 for almost a year never really charged unless the battery level was critical and (guessing) I think I got the same lifetime between charges as when i first had the device.
Matt

Yeah - people suddenly became very interested in LiIon battery life when the iPod replacement battery issue became an issue :wink:

Hermes Lithium Battery. End of story.

Hello everyone. First of all, let me congratulate all of you who have made this incredible site. I've been reading your threads for 3 weeks and finally i wanted to make my first post. I didnt wanted to be a stupid post so thats why it took me 3 weeks to make it.
I got my first Hermes 5 days ago (yes i searched for info about hermes 2 weeks before i got it) and it is everything i always wanted/needed.
I live in a city called Temuco in Chile (A southamerican country ) and this toys are very expensive even if its a 2 or 3 years old toy like hermes).
When i received my Hermes i was ready to flash roms and got everything to do it, thanks to you guys),
I'm very pleased with some of your roms and now im using [OPTIMIZED Manilla2d][20755 09/29](AlmostNak3d)(V8) by joshkoss.
The only subject that worried me was.................... Battery life, so i did some searching and thats my first post about. Hope you guys find it usefull. I know there are some battery related posts around but wanted to make some conclusions about the subject.
Here we go.
I've been searching and reading different articles about optimizing a li-ion and li-ion polymer battery, as they basically behave the same way.
In recent days i've been thinking a way to keep my battery life longer.
What i first thought, and without any knowledge, is what i've heard all my life: "A fast charged" battery lasts shorter than a "slow charge" battery.
In some battery chargers there are two ways to charge batteries. Slow and fast. And i always feel that slow charge was better than fast, so i thought.
My Hermes charger is 5V 1A.
If i charge my hermes through USB (Which i think has less than 1A) my battery should be "better charged" and the charge should last longer.
I never quite tested this but as a normal "battery user" it sounded more logical to me.
So i searched on google if there was any information about li-ion batteries and its characteristics.
I went to www.batteryuniversity.com and what i read astonished me.
Battery Conclusions
1.- Lithium batteries are completely different than older nickel based batteries.
2.- Lithium is a very unstable element and behaves abnormally when overcharging and overdischarging.
3.- According to batteryuniversity, "Overcharging makes the cell causes plating of metallic lithium on the anode; the cathode material becomes an oxidizing agent, loses stability and releases oxygen. Overcharging causes the cell to heat up. If left unattended, the cell could vent with flame."
4.- Over-discharging is as dangerous as overcharging. According to batteryuniversity, if discharged, "Copper shunts may have formed inside the cells, leading a partial or total electrical short. The cell becomes unstable. Charging such a battery would cause excessive heat and safety could not be assured."
5.- Lithium batteries are usually overcharge and over-discharge protected.
6.- You shouldnt use chargers different than the manufacturer's one.
7.- End of story and End ob battery thoughts.
I (we) just have to live with that.

The Li-on cells for my Makita tools are charged on a computer controlled charger. It reads temp and level of charge and charges accordingly. Manufacturers estimate 3000 charges before the battery is dead, and this after fast heavy discharge that can make a battery too hot to hold and fast charge that takes 22 minute on a 3ah batttery from fully flat to fully charged.
The people who use Li-on at the edge of their accepted use, the radio control flyers, use computer controlled chargers that read the same parameters and more. Many of their chargers read individual cells and balance the charge. Again, after use, the batteries can be too hot to hold.
In a phone or a laptop we use a wall wart the same as any old nicad. I dont know if any clever stuff goes on inside the laptop or phone to regulate charge level according to battery condition but I don't think so. We get about a year out of a laptop that is trickle charged. I'm on almost 2 years for my Tytn with no discernable drop in life but I think I've been lucky, it seems to be about a year for many people. So that's 365 charges, approx.
My guess is that it's charger technology rather than battery technology that limits our battery life.

The Hermes does have a battery sensor. It can be screwed up though when you go below a certain level (<10%), hence people who have trouble recharging a TOTALLY flat battery. The Hermes sensor doesn't detect a battery giving a red LED.

I don't know anything about battery...
I'm currently have a problem with a battery or power-related. My X01HT have just 1 day life in use. I was try it with different second-hand battery, but it likes first condition when only life in 1 day. Hmm.. may be which is the wrong? The battery or the phone?
I have 2 set of X01HT, next time I will try to exchange the battery from both of it. I want to test their battery life to compare and make conclusion about which is the wrong between the battery or the phone.
My tested phone have radio version 1.14.01.10 and have unlocked with NextGenServer. I am using the newest Pays ROM Full. IPL: 1.04. SSPL: 2.60 (Olipro). I have experienced using Pays ROM in twice, first which already sold and the second is this case. Both of the have the same radio version. I think the first one is okay about the life stability, but this one have a problem. May be ROM have influenced the battery life? Or may be IPL/SSPL have caused instability too?
Sorry guys, about poor in English. May be I need to make a thread to share my problem with you.
Thanks.

Hermes are battery hogs but some programs can be power leeches too.
If the radio rom isn't good for your area it also can be a power drain as it is constantly scanning for connection.
I tend to find about 2 days is all my battery lasts for with a little bit of use. Depends what you are using....
Cheers...

I have 3 pieces of SoftBank X01HT.
One of them just fine in the life of the battery, so network here is fine too (maybe). But this one is already sold, so I can't test the battery to my another X01HT which have a critical power problem.
Another X01HT so sleepy, the life of the battery just 1 day. I was try to replace the battery with another battery (2ndhand and I don't know the condition actually) but it have no change, just 1 day too, may be less... Now I try the third battery. I'll reported soon about this...
So how about your opinion about critical power in the X01HT? May be there is another factor beside the battery? Beside the program/OS? May be some physically probelm with their board or etc?
Sorry about poor in English.

I can't say much about the X01HT... All Hermes internals should be the same, but they may put extra things in or take things out depending where you buy your Hermes.
So saying, the Hermes, if not all HTC phones, seem to use a large amount of power. If you use apps it will of course discharge faster.
Sometimes it can be as simple as changing the radio rom but this is risky as the radio rom tends to be permanent brick if something goes wrong with the flash.
Maybe an app you have running and don't realise, I had a BT program that did this, had to shut it down or my battery was down to 70%in about an hour or 2.
Cheers...

[IDEA] Charge button

Is it possible to make a small program that allows to toggle charge on and off ?
as far as i know...charging our Diamond isnt nothing positive toward battery life .
I know you can enable or disable charging in system/power
but it would be awesome if someone would write small program/script to do that so we can place shortcut in programs menu to toggle

There is a setting that allows you to chose to charge or not to charge when synced.

Kueh said:
There is a setting that allows you to chose to charge or not to charge when synced.
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He already mentioned that.
He's looking for some softkey or software/shortcut that can toggle that setting.

WhiteCell said:
as far as i know...charging our Diamond isnt nothing positive toward battery life .
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As far as I know... it doesn't matter with actual batteries.
If I look at my notebook (which is over 2 years old) where I charge and uncharge all the time - the battery works still fine.
I'm not sure if it's worth the work - if the battery life sucks after a few month (years..?) - you just buy a new one for a few Euro/Dollar. (Man! You don't have an iPhone...lol)
I've never had a mobile phone for more than a year - so I wouldn't care!
(But I'm pretty sure the actual batterys don't care either!)

Li-Ion batteries don't suffer from the memory effect in the same way as Ni-MH batteries do, so theoretically it won't harm to charge the battery whenever you want to, regardless of it's charge level at the time. They do have a limited amount of cycles though, a cycle is when it goes from full charge to full discharge. It's eventually going to wear out no matter how you treat it.

salada2k said:
Li-Ion batteries don't suffer from the memory effect in the same way as Ni-MH batteries do, so theoretically it won't harm to charge the battery whenever you want to, regardless of it's charge level at the time. They do have a limited amount of cycles though, a cycle is when it goes from full charge to full discharge. It's eventually going to wear out no matter how you treat it.
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so basically what your saying is Li-Ion batteries cannot over charge and then eventually start to decrease in total battery life?
If so, does that mean my T-mobile Wing's battery just crazy?

It would have exploded if it could "overcharge".

li-ion has a limited battery life by itself, which doesn't depend on usage/charging.
but charging can shorten the battery life if done wrong. charging cycles vary depending on how empty the battery was. it looks something like this: (see wikipedia/google for specific numbers)
95% 1000000 cycles
90% 100000 cycles
70% 10000 cycles
50% 1000 cycles
30% 100 cycles
10% 10 cycles
0% 0 cycles
actually you can never reach below 30% because the battery or phone will protect itself whenever that point is reached and turn itself off.
conclusion: charge whenever you can!
ps: li-ion for cars only discharge to 70%, so the battery can actually be used for longer than 2 years unlike a cell phone battery, where it can be discharged to 30%.

Guys, this is silly. The battery will work with no problems for 2-3 years. Then you can buy another one or, more probably, another phone. There is no point whatsoever to not charging it when connected to the computer. As a matter of fact, this will only reduce its lifetime.

[Q] Buying new battery

Dear readers,
I am going to buy a new battery for my HD2 but there is a problem.
I would need to train the new battery and charge it full the first time without turning on the HD2 right?
How can i do this when my HD2 keeps turning on by itself? I even think my phone charges when it is off?
My phone runs ics 4 with magldr.
Can anyone help me out?

Just drain the battery normally and charge it when you sleep?

Draining a new battery will make it unusable???

No it will be fine, Li-ion are quite durable & do not have charge state preferences.
Just buy a new battery & put it in your HD2 & use it normally, if charge very low when first turn it on > plug it in & charge to full.

Then why do people and retailers keep advising me to fully charge batteries before first use?

Cause batteries don't come fully charged?!
But if you charge it first how do you know the battery is fully charged without draining it first since battery stats are incorrect?

Hmmm, i have been told that fully charging it at the first time before first use gives u better battery performance and better battery stats. U are telling me the opposite thing lol? You could see it is full by the constant green led? But if it is like you are telling me then that indication would be false?? Do i get it right?

A new batteries capacity should increase after first few cycles as will devices calibration of the new cell.
The Battery itself is dumb & you can use what method you like really with li-ion cells to charge them.
Only issue sometimes seen is devices recognition of cell power level is not shown correctly.
Have recently issued 20 new cells for our HD2 fleet, staff use them as they needed & without stringent charge routines & all is fine.
A little common sense is all that is needed & maybe calibration reset if a problem appears.

4rjan said:
Hmmm, i have been told that fully charging it at the first time before first use gives u better battery performance and better battery stats. U are telling me the opposite thing lol? You could see it is full by the constant green led? But if it is like you are telling me then that indication would be false?? Do i get it right?
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What if you get a fake/defective battery that only holds 40% capacity and reports that as 80% and you charge the battery to report 100% (which activates the green led). How would you find out that this battery is holding a real 100% charge without draining it first?

With an app that shows u the amount of mAh?
Or is that impossible?

Any app calculating mAh will need a few cycles of the battery to give an accurate estimate. Reading any data direct from a cell is pointless as the cheap cells use chips to display false capacities.
In your circumstances just install new battery & charge while device is on then charge as required & only worry if run time seems very bad.

4rjan said:
With an app that shows u the amount of mAh?
Or is that impossible?
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Now thats major bull. No app can give 100% correct info about battery capacity.
The only one method of correctly defining battery capacity is by using computerized battery analyzer.
If you want to get most of your new battery(Li-ion/poly):
-first make several charge/discharge cycles(after 5-10 you will get desired OEM capacity)
-charge it with wall charger, do not charge through USB
-charge it whenever you can, even if few % are only used
-avoid complete battery discharge(Lithium cells hate complete discharge!)
-keep it at reasonable temperatures, dry
-and don't buy cheap/promising alternatives. Only OEMs are worth buying. Forget about Mugen Magic(proof: www.batteryboss.org)

Battery apps are not always acurrate. They only measure in certain intervals (and then estimate the other stats), which only tells you the current in that instantance of time and the rest is ignored. Also if you undervolt, sometimes the drain measured higher than usual and the battery percentage becomes erractic (ie increasing after a reboot) that will easily change the estimated capacity.

Battery Chemistry

We all know that the One (and many other modern cellphones) have a Lithium Ion battery. While these batteries have no traditional 'memory effect' the way NiMH did, it seems that different chemistries for the electrolyte would suggest different strategies for recharging.
For example, after looking at the Wikipedia entry for Lithium batteries, it would seem that we should be mindful about 'topping off' the battery, because charging deteriorates the lifespan, implying that running down the battery might be a more advisable practice than plugging in to fully charge every night.
Wondering if any of you experts out there can comment and discuss, given that we One users no longer have replacable cells.

Good question, I too would be very interested in hearing from some of the posters that are knowledgeable in this area.
Sent from my HTC EVO 3D X515m using xda premium

This is pretty well established knowledge right now. I'll list everything pertinent about lithium ion batteries and charging smartphones:
Edit: Note that I mention Lithium Ion in this post, but the HTC One uses Lithium Polymer. They are for all intents and purposes equal in terms of their usability, except for slightly less charge cycles
Edit 2: Hello Reddit! No idea this would have taken off. I'm "coolmatty" on reddit. This is an overall generalization, and there are plenty of resources that go into more detail. Places like Battery University are great sites to start.
1. Charging is what reduces the life of a lithium ion battery. Batteries are usually rated between 700-1000 charge cycles while keeping 90% of their capacity.
2. Charging 0-100% counts as one cycle. Charging 80-100% 5 times counts as one cycle.
3. Leaving your phone on the charger after it is charged has the potential to reduce battery life, although this is less of a problem with newer devices as they often disconnect the charging circuit until the battery drops below ~95%. Generally only an issue if you leave it on the charger for 24+ hours.
4. Lithium ion batteries do not require any conditioning.
5. Most lithium ion devices arrive with ~40-50% battery life remaining, because this is the optimal charge level to store a lithium battery for long periods (such as sitting on a store shelf for months).
6. Slower charging maintains the battery's overall lifetime capacity better than fast charging. This is likely why the HTC One does not have Qualcomm's Quick Charge enabled. It's debateable whether you'd notice the effects over the typical lifetime of a smartphone, however (2 years).
7. Not exactly related to lithium but just in general: smartphones (and tablets, etc) have charging circuits that only draw a certain amount of amps regardless of the number of amps the charger provides. Using a 3.1 amp (tablet-level) charger is not going to significantly increase the speed at which your phone charges. Most phones only use between 0.8 - 1.2 amps. Anything over that is overkill.
8. Storing a lithium ion battery at 0% is really bad for its lifetime capacity. Running it to 0% generally isn't recommended all the time, but a few instances won't hurt it.
9. Recharging from 0-100 doesn't make your battery run longer. It can, however, reset Android's battery level stats so that it can more accurately state the battery level.
10. Charging from ~95% to 100% takes a long time because it must do a trickle charge. Maxing out the battery like this can reduce overall lifetime capacity, but generally not enough to matter. You'll see this impact more often in larger applications of lithium batteries (like cars).

You have no idea how many people need this post (on some points, myself included). Thanks.

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2. Charging 0-100% counts as one cycle. Charging 80-100% 5 times counts as one cycle.
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It does not seem to be that uniform, according to this:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
From what I understood from the link above in Table 2, you can get the best longevity by charging from 50% (2nd row).

jasahu said:
It does not seem to be that uniform, according to this:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
From what I understood from the link above in Table 2, you can get the best longevity by charging from 50% (2nd row).
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But is it practical to charge it at 50% every time?

Doesn't the one infact have a Li-Po battery ? Would these points still apply ?

Nyxagamemnon said:
But is it practical to charge it at 50% every time?
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What is a practical approach for me now, after reading this all, is to charge it every night.
This way
- I have better chances for not running out of battery during the day
- either it was at 75% (3rd row) or 50% (2nd row) I still have better longevity than charging from 0% most of the time.

Battery life will not degrade as long as you donot empty its charge for long time and donot use it while on charge... over heat on battery aged the battery...
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Just wanted to add: li-ion and li-po batteries now-a-days have protection circuitry to prevent overcharge and over-discharge. Overcharge protection based on what is stated above, known as trickle charge. Over-discharge protection means that your phone will shut off when your battery is around 3v per cell, whereas you should refrain from force starting the phone. The only benefit you get from fully charging/discharging is battery calibration for cell mismatches. It is also good to know that partial charges are better than full charges when it comes to lithium ion (and lithium polymer) batteries.

The HTC one uses li-poly, not li-ion
Can read all about the advantages and disadvantages of each other here:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/is_lithium_ion_the_ideal_battery
li-poly
Advantages
Very low profile - batteries resembling the profile of a credit card are feasible.
Flexible form factor - manufacturers are not bound by standard cell formats. With high volume, any reasonable size can be produced economically.
Lightweight - gelled electrolytes enable simplified packaging by eliminating the metal shell.
Improved safety - more resistant to overcharge; less chance for electrolyte leakage.
Limitations
Lower energy density and decreased cycle count compared to lithium-ion.
Expensive to manufacture.
No standard sizes. Most cells are produced for high volume consumer markets.
Higher cost-to-energy ratio than lithium-ion
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As far as I am concerned, li-poly is overall better for phones where you can't change the battery.
by the looks of that article it was done quite a while ago (for the tech. world) so the disadvantages might not be as much of a problem these days.....

jasahu said:
It does not seem to be that uniform, according to this:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
From what I understood from the link above in Table 2, you can get the best longevity by charging from 50% (2nd row).
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I was using a simplification. It would be better not to let it go to 0, but most charge cycles are rated on this. I do mention the impact of letting the battery go to 0%.
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Doesn't the one infact have a Li-Po battery ? Would these points still apply ?
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A flub on my part, you are correct. There are minor differences (the only one that matters to us is slightly shorter lifetime capacity) but otherwise it works the same.

Now that i see a battery 'expert', a quick question.
Back in the dack, if you bought anything with batteries, you would have to charge them for 24h, no matter how much charged they were. But if i were to buy a phone today (Lith-Ion), Do i still have to do that?
I think not, but i'm not quite sure. Lots of people (even smartphone sellers) still recommend charging it 24h, wich i think is bull.

Bartcore3 said:
Now that i see a battery 'expert', a quick question.
Back in the dack, if you bought anything with batteries, you would have to charge them for 24h, no matter how much charged they were. But if i were to buy a phone today (Lith-Ion), Do i still have to do that?
I think not, but i'm not quite sure. Lots of people (even smartphone sellers) still recommend charging it 24h, wich i think is bull.
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I think that was only for the old Ni-MH batteries as they had to be bedded in as such. The newer ones dont need this

Vincent Law said:
This is pretty well established knowledge right now. I'll list everything pertinent about lithium ion batteries and charging smartphones:
1. Charging is what reduces the life of a lithium ion battery. Batteries are usually rated between 700-1000 charge cycles while keeping 90% of their capacity.
2. Charging 0-100% counts as one cycle. Charging 80-100% 5 times counts as one cycle.
3. Leaving your phone on the charger after it is charged has the potential to reduce battery life, although this is less of a problem with newer devices as they often disconnect the charging circuit until the battery drops below ~95%. Generally only an issue if you leave it on the charger for 24+ hours.
4. Lithium ion batteries do not require any conditioning.
5. Most lithium ion devices arrive with ~40-50% battery life remaining, because this is the optimal charge level to store a lithium battery for long periods (such as sitting on a store shelf for months).
6. Slower charging maintains the battery's overall lifetime capacity better than fast charging. This is likely why the HTC One does not have Qualcomm's Quick Charge enabled. It's debateable whether you'd notice the effects over the typical lifetime of a smartphone, however (2 years).
7. Not exactly related to lithium but just in general: smartphones (and tablets, etc) have charging circuits that only draw a certain amount of amps regardless of the number of amps the charger provides. Using a 3.1 amp (tablet-level) charger is not going to significantly increase the speed at which your phone charges. Most phones only use between 0.8 - 1.2 amps. Anything over that is overkill.
8. Storing a lithium ion battery at 0% is really bad for its lifetime capacity. Running it to 0% generally isn't recommended all the time, but a few instances won't hurt it.
9. Recharging from 0-100 doesn't make your battery run longer. It can, however, reset Android's battery level stats so that it can more accurately state the battery level.
10. Charging from ~95% to 100% takes a long time because it must do a trickle charge. Maxing out the battery like this can reduce overall lifetime capacity, but generally not enough to matter. You'll see this impact more often in larger applications of lithium batteries (like cars).
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Thanks Vincent. Great post will certainly bear it all in mind when charging my phone.
Sent from my HTC EVO 3D X515m using xda premium

ragingredbull said:
Thanks Vincent. Great post will certainly bear it all in mind when charging my phone.
Sent from my HTC EVO 3D X515m using xda premium
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I'm not sure everyone noticed one of the things he said. I know from my HD2 and Ruby that HTC phones will not continue charging after hitting 100%. The phone will indicate %100, but shortly after you disconnect the charger and start using the phone the indicated power level will drop to what it actually is - and it will be lower depending upon how long it has been sitting at "100%". Their phones have a protection circuit that kicks in. So if you really want 100% in the morning, power the phone down to charge it.

Bartcore3 said:
Now that i see a battery 'expert', a quick question.
Back in the dack, if you bought anything with batteries, you would have to charge them for 24h, no matter how much charged they were. But if i were to buy a phone today (Lith-Ion), Do i still have to do that?
I think not, but i'm not quite sure. Lots of people (even smartphone sellers) still recommend charging it 24h, wich i think is bull.
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As I mentioned in my first post, Lithium batteries do not require conditioning. The purpose for this on old Ni-Cad batteries was to avoid the memory effect, which could result in a battery appearing to be dead long before it actually was. For instance, if you always charged it from 60%, after many instances of this, the Ni-Cad battery would suffer a voltage drop at that point, which most electronics can't handle (some can, however, and once past the short period of low voltage, they will recover and continue normally).
Charging for 24 hours is most certainly not relevant, as once the battery reaches 100%, charging has ceased anyway. There's no need to charge it to 100% anyway, other than to give you more time to play with your new toy
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stevedebi said:
I'm not sure everyone noticed one of the things he said. I know from my HD2 and Ruby that HTC phones will not continue charging after hitting 100%. The phone will indicate %100, but shortly after you disconnect the charger and start using the phone the indicated power level will drop to what it actually is - and it will be lower depending upon how long it has been sitting at "100%". Their phones have a protection circuit that kicks in. So if you really want 100% in the morning, power the phone down to charge it.
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You'll see this in most devices nowadays. It's especially noticeable on laptops, which typically won't lie to you about the charge. It depends on the models, but I know Macbooks for instance will happily sit at 95% charge as "fully charged". This is by design and other than turning off the device, you shouldn't try to "top it off". Any other method (such as unplugging and plugging it back in) hurts the overall lifetime of the battery.

Vincent Law said:
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You'll see this in most devices nowadays. It's especially noticeable on laptops, which typically won't lie to you about the charge. It depends on the models, but I know Macbooks for instance will happily sit at 95% charge as "fully charged". This is by design and other than turning off the device, you shouldn't try to "top it off". Any other method (such as unplugging and plugging it back in) hurts the overall lifetime of the battery.
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Most of the modern laptops allow you to turn on or off the battery saving feature. For those who use the laptop while plugged in most of the time, it will stop charging at 80%. For those who will be using it off the plug, the option is there to get it to 100%.
I often see posts from people (in various forums) asking why their laptop will only charge to 80%...

stevedebi said:
Most of the modern laptops allow you to turn on or off the battery saving feature. For those who use the laptop while plugged in most of the time, it will stop charging at 80%. For those who will be using it off the plug, the option is there to get it to 100%.
I often see posts from people (in various forums) asking why their laptop will only charge to 80%...
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I've never heard of this, and I don't recall seeing it on any Windows or Mac laptop I've used recently. Sounds like some proprietary crap one of the manufacturers came up with. Stopping the charge at 80% doesn't make much sense, since you'll still have the issue of constantly recharging the battery (as soon as it drops below 80%).
Edit: I will say that it is marginally better than keeping it at 100%, but that said, there's steps you can take on your own that are much better.
The ideal way to use a laptop that will be plugged in for most of its lifetime is to discharge it to about 45%, and then remove the battery entirely. At that point, the battery can maintain its capacity for months without major issue. Just make sure to recharge it once every 3 months or so, as the battery will discharge (slowly) even while unplugged, but at a far slower rate than it would be inside the laptop.

Vincent Law said:
I've never heard of this, and I don't recall seeing it on any Windows or Mac laptop I've used recently. Sounds like some proprietary crap one of the manufacturers came up with. Stopping the charge at 80% doesn't make much sense, since you'll still have the issue of constantly recharging the battery (as soon as it drops below 80%).
Edit: I will say that it is marginally better than keeping it at 100%, but that said, there's steps you can take on your own that are much better.
The ideal way to use a laptop that will be plugged in for most of its lifetime is to discharge it to about 45%, and then remove the battery entirely. At that point, the battery can maintain its capacity for months without major issue. Just make sure to recharge it once every 3 months or so, as the battery will discharge (slowly) even while unplugged, but at a far slower rate than it would be inside the laptop.
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The latest research from the Auto manufacturers is that Li-Ion technology works longest if the battery level is between 50 and 80%.
My Toshiba U925 ultra portable uses the optional 80% max. If you use the laptop almost exclusively while plugged in, it will help provide battery longevity, or so I understand.
Many laptops won't work unless the battery is in place. It depends on how they built the power circuits.