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Anyone got any recommendations for push email providers. Or just names to compare.
So far I have tried:
4smartphone.net - good service but not cheap
mail2web.com - good and cheap
any other recommendations ?
colonel said:
Anyone got any recommendations for push email providers. Or just names to compare.
So far I have tried:
4smartphone.net - good service but not cheap
mail2web.com - good and cheap
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From what I've gathered so far, go with one of those two.
or register your own domain and build your own exchange server, works fine
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or register your own domain and build your own exchange server, works fine
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Just like that?
If you would like to have direct push mail from Microsoft on your Universal, it can be done with MS Exchange server SP2
having Echange SP2 on your own (Hosted) server, and building your own certificate on this server (domain) which you later can import on your Universal, you can use Direct Push mail (Https) fron the Universal to your Echange server.
I'm using it,..and the mobile active sync is constantly keeping the GPRS HTTPS connection allive and is syncronising constantly my inbox (agenda, contacts, email and tasks) Not the same as blackberry, but only several seconds delay (depends on gprs network, umts will be faster)
Download the latest rom with the AKU2 feature pack from MS build in, install it on your device and you can use the Direct Push function
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If you would like to have direct push mail from Microsoft on your Universal, it can be done with MS Exchange server SP2
having Echange SP2 on your own (Hosted) server, and building your own certificate on this server (domain) which you later can import on your Universal, you can use Direct Push mail (Https) fron the Universal to your Echange server.
I'm using it,..and the mobile active sync is constantly keeping the GPRS HTTPS connection allive and is syncronising constantly my inbox (agenda, contacts, email and tasks) Not the same as blackberry, but only several seconds delay (depends on gprs network, umts will be faster)
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Yes yes, I know all this... but you can get exactly the same thing for four pounds a month with 4smartphone.net and they take care of 90% of the hassle for you. Setting up an exchange server is beyond 95% of people with handhelds. And even then, I may be being charitable.
Even downloading a dodgy copy of Exchange via bittorrent is more hassle than getting 4smartphone.net to host it for you.
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If you would like to have direct push mail from Microsoft on your Universal, it can be done with MS Exchange server SP2
having Echange SP2 on your own (Hosted) server, and building your own certificate on this server (domain) which you later can import on your Universal, you can use Direct Push mail (Https) fron the Universal to your Echange server.
I'm using it,..and the mobile active sync is constantly keeping the GPRS HTTPS connection allive and is syncronising constantly my inbox (agenda, contacts, email and tasks) Not the same as blackberry, but only several seconds delay (depends on gprs network, umts will be faster)
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I would rather look for a personal assistant at the cost of your solution
haha,....sorry. Im a system engineer.
I've been using mail2web with my XDA Exec for the last few days and it works really well. Pretty good for a free service!
Been using 4smartphone.net trial for a few days now... My Exec's mail keeps de-syncing with the Exchange server.
I figured that if I MOVE emails between folders a lot, I start getting ActiveSync problems with error code 0x80070008 and I can't sync anymore. After a soft reset, I can sync again, but the folders on my Exec are now out of sync with folders on the Exchange server. i.e. some mails that were moved are now in Inbox of Exchange, whereas they have been moved to another mail folder on my Exec.
Seems too unreliable for me :|
My take on 4smartphone.net is that its a bit more professional then mail2web. It also ensures that emails sent are stamped with the email address you want to use (i.e. the one fwded/pop3ed to 4smartphone).
mail2web is a little more DIY, however the FAQ is good.
Ultimately I have opted to use mail2web as its only $1.99 a month vs $3.99 a month for 4smartphone (also have to keep up my IGN subscription
rgds
I found 4smartphone.net quite reliable.
did you setup manually - ? I did, maybe the autosetup has an issue.
are you syncing over wifi ? this has to be done manually
have 4smartphone.net given any reason why folder moving should case a trouble ?
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have 4smartphone.net given any reason why folder moving should case a trouble ?
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I haven't actually contacted them yet... I've been googling 0x80070008 and found it to be memory related issues on the device. I'm thinking memory leak leading to lack of memory on my device -> ActiveSync dies.
yeah, could be too many things running as well.
I haven't rebooted for 2 weeks now (since the new O2 update) - famous last words !
what is that aku2 thing and can I use push mail on WM2003se? thnx
no. u can use activesync over a GPRS/3G with wm 2003se. look at mail2web.com FAQs.
however this is not push, its periodic activesync.
push email is where your device gets email as soon as its delivered.
this means that you get the email straight away. the technical difference is that push (in WM5) is server driven and not device driven.
I presume you don't have a universal as they are all WM5.
rgds
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the technical difference is that push (in WM5) is server driven and not device driven.
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I have a question: does this mean that you don't pay for the data required to send the e-mail to your device? The one thing that's held me back from diving into push e-mail so far is the worry of going over my data limit (5mb/month on O2 - I can't afford any extra...) and paying too much on my contract.
If MMS messages are free to receive, is it the same for push e-mail messages because the server is initiating the connection? Or do we still have to pay? If you could answer this for me I'd really appreciate it, so thanks in advance
Mach
You'd still have to pay.
thanks for answer colonel. I will look at mail2web.com.
Ive been looking at the possibility of different ways of utilising the push mail facility.
The main objective is to make it a s cheap as possible, with the stipulation that I need to be able to download my mail to my outlook desktop client. Webmail pop3 is fine for me and I don’t need the email left on the server although this woul be a nice to have.
I am currently using easily to host my email account and domain - I have 2 email accounts under the one domain - this would work only if easily did forarding of my email - but they don’t!
I have looket at using 4smartphone and there service to include the ability to download to my desktop outlook would cost $6.99 a month approx 4 pound a month 48 pound a year
They also provide outlook web access as well as calendar etc….
The next option is to use a sign up with another email hosting company xcalibre that do email hosting pop3 and email forwarding for 19.99 a year, this would allow me to have upto 10 email accounts. They have a 1000mb bandwith and 20mb storage per email account
It appears to me that using someone like xcalibre would be the cheapest option, if there forwarding facility is pretty much instantaneus
Has anyone got any ideas or considerations I should think of before I make my decisions.
Thanks in advance
Assuming you have a ROM that is AKU 2 and up and has push capabilities.
Most ppl are using live.web2mail.com
Do your current accounts have a forwarding option?
If so then the best option that I kno ppl are doing is, setting up a mail2web account and gettin their mail forwarded to there, and mail2web's exchange server just pushes it to your device for free.
Only cost will be the charges on the phone, so if you have an unlimited data plan, you're all set.
thanks rxr my own domain name email does not have forwarding otherwise I would have used that as I'm currentl using mail2web and gmail forward and that works great!
nooblet here ...I did a search but did not find a comprehensize guide to telling me all of the types of email options I have So I Was hoping some one would be so kind enough to explain to this me.
Xpress mail from cingular ...umm you just add in all your email accounts to it and it send it out ?
Direct Push ( new from Microsoft ...have to have exchange server up)
Data ( some reason I like this ... I have the unlimited media works package and I get unlimited data ...so I have my email IMAP'ed and set to check ever 10 minutes) it uses data connection ..but I have unlimited so I dont care...
I really dont see why people would want the direct push as apposed to the data ...any way some one can explain all the options a person has with some pro's and cons of each ?
Thanks
Data is just a data plan that you purchase for Cingula, similar to purchasing minutes for your voice calls. It has nothing to do with email. Without the unlimited data plan though you'd get hit with a whopping big bill.
IMAP4 is an email protocol that leaves a copy of your messages on your server and downloads the headers, making it faster than POP3 and easier to manage IMO.
Direct Push requires an Exchange 2003 or later server and is what makes this device a true Crackberry Killer. IMAP4 and POP3 are polling email clients that one configures to check their mailbox on a periodic basis. Direct Push enables our emails to be pushed out to the device whenever the server receives a new email. In addition our Calendar, Tasks and of course Contacts are also synced in realtime.
Hope I was of some help.
geekserver said:
nooblet here ...I did a search but did not find a comprehensize guide to telling me all of the types of email options I have So I Was hoping some one would be so kind enough to explain to this me.
Xpress mail from cingular ...umm you just add in all your email accounts to it and it send it out ?
Direct Push ( new from Microsoft ...have to have exchange server up)
Data ( some reason I like this ... I have the unlimited media works package and I get unlimited data ...so I have my email IMAP'ed and set to check ever 10 minutes) it uses data connection ..but I have unlimited so I dont care...
I really dont see why people would want the direct push as apposed to the data ...any way some one can explain all the options a person has with some pro's and cons of each ?
Thanks
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Direct Push is great for people who are running Exchange, as new messages are queued up and copied over to your device automatically, as opposed to POP3 or IMAP where your device polls the mail server periodically for new E-mail.
Its whatever you prefer... direct push is mainly intended for companies who want to ensure employees get internal E-mail. Also, with the Microsoft Messaging and Security Feature Pack which comes on some new Windows Mobile 5 devices, companies can push out policies to the devices, for example requiring a password of x character length, 15 min timeout, hard reset device if wrong password typed in more than x amount of times, and other items, which makes IT and auditors able to sleep at night.
I personally use POP3 over SSL. It doesn't "guarentee" that E-mail winds up on the phone, but since I'm not doing anything business-critical, that is OK for my needs. Your needs/wants may be different, though. If you absolutely have to have mail on your phone due to clients and mission critical information, you might see about an Exchange hosted provider.
Pros of Direct push: Syncing of contact info (like the above poster stated), "Guarenteed" E-mail on your phone, security policies enforced, ability to remotely wipe your device should it get lost or stolen (assuming the thief hasn't yanked your SIM card and swapped his in.)
Cons of Direct Push: Need Exchange Server 2003 SP2 to access the features of it, so you need to run Exchange on a machine that is on the Internet, or use an Exchange hosted provider. HP offers this service for around $15-$20 a month.
Pros of POP3/IMAP: Internet standards, straightforward.
Cons of POP3/IMAP: Insecure unless your ISP allows for the use of SSL, no "guarentee" that E-mail winds up onto your phone.
wow cool
so I guess for me I will stick to my data plan. I just wish Cingular had a faster data serivce and better coverage .
THANKS a bunch !
Cingular is actually rolling out 3G service and they claim it will fully be implemented by the end of the year (hopefully!)
I've been using the Push Mail function since it was released ... which is really a good alternative to a CrackBerry though it still need more development say at least 2 more years before if could be considered a real competition to the CrackBerry. ... (i hate these ugly so called devices - blackberry)
you can actually get an exchange service for 10 bucks a month for a mailbox which isn't bad. The advantage of getting an exchange mailbox is the just mere fact you can have a "synchronized" mailbox on your mail application (on your laptop or desktop ... even on a Mac which i have set up), on the webmail and obviously on your pocket pc. i like the functionality of using this over POP because the synchronization is real time and there is not dependancy on locally sync-ing your device on your laptop/desktop just to update your contacts and your calendar.
POP3 doesn't give you that synchronization and if you like to have ALL FOLDERs synchronized ... getting the 10 Bucks a month exchange service is well worth it.
Obviously push mail services are designed for the business user and powerusers ....if you don't need this then don't even think the higher end pocket pc's available ....
US Carriers are so slow on selling higher end PDAs and phones ... the selections on T-Mobile and Cingular suck ... how can you accept that they just released their versions of the HTC Wizard while several flavors of the HTC Hermes are now available ... Cingular and T-Mobile USA should also think about adding BlackBerry Connect on their devices just like everybody else in the non-american world ....
Note that IMAP can also be used (in most cases) in a "Push" form. The "IMAP IDLE" function establishes a connection and waits for new messages to arrive, at which time they are immediately announced to the device. Extremely handy when properly implemented. You need a compatible client, of course. Apparently the latest test builds of FlexMail will handle this, though I have not tried them yet.
Our company is paying Cingular $5 per month per user for the Push Mail service over and above the unlimited data plan. We have been told not to use it while roaming (even in Canada) as it will cost us a fortune. But, the push mail seems to be very robust and per IT, it was very easy to setup and ofcourse the phone needs to be upgraded to the latest ROM available on the cingular site.
Cingular's charging for Push Mail? ... That would only happen if Cingular is also maintaining your exchange server. If you have your own Exchange server it should be fine.
I've never paid above my unlimited internet access feature.
How come no one has mentioned mail2web.com Live. This is exchange push email that is free. You just forward your email to their server and set your mail settings in Active Sync from the mail2web site.
I have been using it for six weeks and it is great. Sometimes I get the email before I can get it on outlook.
mail2web.com looks good but i just talked to them and if you have your personal domain name (like i do), it would cost you the same price as the other exchange services out there ... the free version and the personal exchange options do not support personal domains.
sorry i'm a geek through and through ... he he he
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I need help guys vodafone have contacted me saying that I have downloaded over 400 MB of data on my V1605 since the beginning of October
and that I owe them over £900.00 I mentioned that I haven't done any extra internet access this month than usual. They looked further and say it was email traffic downloaded to me. I have at the start of the month added HTTPMail Provider software to my V1605 which downloads from my hotmail account, I on average receive about 15 emails from this which on average is about 5KB per mail (I rarely download the whole email or attachments which according to HTTPMail providers amount to 720KB total).
I also receive from my works exchange server l about 10 messages per day of approx 1KB per email. I occasionally surf on my PDA
STOP PRESS...I've just checked ip dashboards traffic monitor on my PDA and since I have added HTTPMail on the 4th October over 400mb has been downloaded
has anyone have HTTPMail Provider on their PDA, when I press send/receive does it download the whole account rather than just new messages because that is the only explanation I have.
what do you guys say????.
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sim_wat said:
I need help guys vodafone have contacted me saying that I have downloaded over 400 MB of data on my V1605 since the beginning of October
and that I owe them over £900.00 I mentioned that I haven't done any extra internet access this month than usual. They looked further and say it was email traffic downloaded to me. I have at the start of the month added HTTPMail Provider software to my V1605 which downloads from my hotmail account, I on average receive about 15 emails from this which on average is about 5KB per mail (I rarely download the whole email or attachments which according to HTTPMail providers amount to 720KB total).
I also receive from my works exchange server l about 10 messages per day of approx 1KB per email. I occasionally surf on my PDA
STOP PRESS...I've just checked ip dashboards traffic monitor on my PDA and since I have added HTTPMail on the 4th October over 400mb has been downloaded
has anyone have HTTPMail Provider on their PDA, when I press send/receive does it download the whole account rather than just new messages because that is the only explanation I have.
what do you guys say????.
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So far as I'm aware it does not download whole e'mail though I believe you can alter how many kb it does download. I only use mine over WiFi so no charges apply, but what I notice is that if you delete e-mail on PDA it does not delete on server so next send/receive back it will come. Also if your system is set to look every fifteen minutes say, each time it downloads the incoming mail folder so in fact it is replacing the e-mails on your device not just adding any new ones. I stand to be corrected here but if it's doing a fresh download each time and if it's auto checking every fifteen minutes (say) then all those small 5k e-mails will get multiplied up to huge levels and just to get a new copy of ones you've already seen. Whatever the situation, I think I'd be pleading a special case with Voda and asking for managerial discretion.
Be interesting to hear from others.
Mike
My first though when i read this was f*ck me !! I had this same problem, with Vodafone in Italy although for a lot less (EU 80,00) which they said was for wap traffic. I called Vodafone and explained that I had not done any surfing to that extent and they credited my account. Explain your situationto one of their customer services reps, they are helpful in Italy and understanding. If they dont want to hear about it then cancel your account with them and move on to another provider (this works depending how much you spend with them and how long you have been with them)
Anyway good luck.
not a great help but t mobile is 2000mb for £10ish per month,
maybe voda will waive the charge if you persuade them the device is at fault.
Its not as if bandwidth costs them anything, think about isps
There is a company in my country called Movistar. They currently have this prepaid plan, which costs only the equivalent of $15 per month... contract free. It includes:
500 minutes to any company.
100 SMS to any company.
Unlimited minutes to any Movistar phone.
Unlimited SMS to any Movistar phone.
Unlimited access to these apps: Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp and Email.
250MB of data.
Now... As you can see, the plan is pretty good for the price, except the lame amount of data.
But... The Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp and Email are unlimited, without interruptions.
Is there a way to use that as my advantage and redirect the browser or something to use the data of those apps so I won't be limited to just 250MB? Is there a way to use a browser inside Facebook somehow?
Thanks.
No.
I'm pretty sure their DNS servers log the IP addresses for those sites and allow unthrottled access to those IPs. They all have more than one IP address per site, and they change so first you'd have to find that out. Then you have to find a way to first direct your traffic to facebooks and the other sites then route it to the site you really want to goto, then rout it back to you all through a VPN most likely so your site request actually comes back to you instead of getting denied.. In short, it would be complicated and illegal as hell and I don't think you will find an answer here without the thread getting locked. I don't think its possible even with the use of IP spoofing. These are all just somewhat educated guesses.
Do you guys think it would help if I root my phone and use a public DNS, like Google DNS or OpenDNS?
Funny thing is, that after I finish the 250MB, I still have access to Google and I can search and everything, but when I try to open a search result, it redirects to me to the website of my carrier (as it should happen).
But, with Chrome Beta, if I activate the bandwidth reduction function, I can get unlimited browsing.
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Funny thing is, that after I finish the 250MB, I still have access to Google and I can search and everything, but when I try to open a search result, it redirects to me to the website of my carrier (as it should happen).
But, with Chrome Beta, if I activate the bandwidth reduction function, I can get unlimited browsing.
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But I'm betting that you will be billed for it. Regardless of being on a prepaid plan.
For example you have a 250MB cap. You can use up to that for the price you pay...however they will just charge you per MB/GB you use above your allotted plan amount.
So next month when you go to pay your $15...they might say you went over last month on your data and this month you're paying $ XX.
In essence they want you to go over and you'll pay dearly for it.
I have a friend who goes over his data amount all the time...last month was $125 in over usage on data.
I'd call them and find out what their protocol is on over usage before you get dinged.
Better to be proactive than reactive :good: