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Jasjar new rom - kicks ass!

The subject says it all!!!
Now that's one worthwhile update really!
I'm just loving the directpush technology....its just amazing! I guess its goodbye RIM....wonder how bberry is going to differenciate....!
The battery life is phenomenal....a whole day of use with direct push enabled and gprs always on, my battery is down to just 53%.....mind blowing!
way to go!
Cheers,
San

I agree, Direct Push is pretty good and I've heard whispers in my company that we might be rolling it out in the near future.
however you said a day's worth of use brings it down to 53%.
This seems a bit heavy to be honest, I've had use of a blackberry for a few weeks and i'm pretty sure it didnt drain as fast as that.
Overall though I'm very happy with the new functionality.

numanoids said:
I agree, Direct Push is pretty good and I've heard whispers in my company that we might be rolling it out in the near future.
however you said a day's worth of use brings it down to 53%.
This seems a bit heavy to be honest, I've had use of a blackberry for a few weeks and i'm pretty sure it didnt drain as fast as that.
Overall though I'm very happy with the new functionality.
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I have a doubt about the push mail configuration. If you select to syncronize when "as items arrive" it asks for a for a delivery address information for the device, do you know which is this address? I suppose is related to sms, but I don't know and asked vodafone, they didn't know what to say.

I have a doubt about the push mail configuration. If you select to syncronize when "as items arrive" it asks for a for a delivery address information for the device, do you know which is this address? I suppose is related to sms, but I don't know and asked vodafone, they didn't know what to say.
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It sounds like you are talking about the old system - I.e. Where it required an sms address and then the servered sent you a hidden sms which your phone used as a trigger to sync with the server. (I never bothered trying to get that set up because I can't see the point in paying 10p for the sms + the data charge just to each email more tha every 5 minutes.
Direct push on the other-hand is supposed to work by your device creating a secure http connection to the server, which is kept open on both sides, but no data is sent until a message arrives at the exchange, at which point it is transmitted down this connection. This completely cuts out the sms.
I can't wait till O2 release a new rom with the direct push stuff - it may be worth going with the jasjar rom just to get it.
Cheers

siezear said:
I have a doubt about the push mail configuration. If you select to syncronize when "as items arrive" it asks for a for a delivery address information for the device, do you know which is this address? I suppose is related to sms, but I don't know and asked vodafone, they didn't know what to say.
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It sounds like you are talking about the old system - I.e. Where it required an sms address and then the servered sent you a hidden sms which your phone used as a trigger to sync with the server. (I never bothered trying to get that set up because I can't see the point in paying 10p for the sms + the data charge just to each email more tha every 5 minutes.
Direct push on the other-hand is supposed to work by your device creating a secure http connection to the server, which is kept open on both sides, but no data is sent until a message arrives at the exchange, at which point it is transmitted down this connection. This completely cuts out the sms.
I can't wait till O2 release a new rom with the direct push stuff - it may be worth going with the jasjar rom just to get it.
Cheers
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I'm sorry asking again about this question but in order to have clear idea, do you mind to put same mail address in the request of "delivery address" as you have for exchange?
thanks.

You do not put anything in for the address - this is for systems using pre SP2 push technology or systems that will not allow an incoming connection and wish to continue to use the AUTD (or auto up to date) system. This involves the exhange system sending an email to an address that then sends an SMS to your device - this then initiates the sync.
SP2 push, as stated before relies on a persistent HTTP(S) connection to the exchange server.
Try it without anything in the address field and see if it works - if not then check that the exchange system you are accessing has been set up to take advantage of the new push update technology.

Escuse my question but which ROM version are we talking about?

durius said:
Escuse my question but which ROM version are we talking about?
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1.30.76 ROM
1.09 Radio
For those of you whose mail servers dont have ms exchange, you can use a free trial with 4smartphone.net for 15 days and hook it up to any of your email accounts. Works like a charm! (thanks Carnivor for suggesting 4smartphone!)
Cheers!
San

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durius said:
Escuse my question but which ROM version are we talking about?
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1.30.76 ROM
1.09 Radio
For those of you whose mail servers dont have ms exchange, you can use a free trial with 4smartphone.net for 15 days and hook it up to any of your email accounts. Works like a charm! (thanks Carnivor for suggesting 4smartphone!)
Cheers!
San
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It's a good idea except for people like me that our corporate exchange has a rule that doesn't support to forward messages automatically outside. :evil:

does it mean the client device has to be always connected to the internet? (through any connections: GPRS. wifi, dial up). I thought it should work even its not connected sometimes?

The battery life is phenomenal....a whole day of use with direct push enabled and GPRS always on, my battery is down to just 53%.....mind blowing!
I experienced the opposite. Since mine upgraded, I have poor battery life. Not sure why. My device is now very fast. But battery life is decreased.
From 8 -12, only with phone and BT on, the battery drops to 50%.
I also noticed that the BT connection drops once in a while. So far I had about 5 times drop for thepast week.
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lie_ui said:
does it mean the client device has to be always connected to the internet? (through any connections: GPRS. wifi, dial up). I thought it should work even its not connected sometimes?
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Yes, you have to be connected to the internet in some manner for it to work. However, when you use GPRS to stay connected, it doesnt drain your battery to the magnitude you'd expect. Thats because MS has implemented a new way of sending out data, and the battery drains only when it does heavy transfer (which is not the case). Also, a whole day of usage has costed me just 180KB for heartbeat only (i subtracted the mail sizes approximately...)
Its an excellent solution in my regard! I sent a few test mails from my laptop, and i was astonished to see them arrive within 5-10 seconds after the mail was sent! I guess its flawless
Cheers!
San

i have found the direct push a charm, i am using about 1mb per day. battery drain is no worse. i normally get the email on my pda before outlook picks the mail up
Paul

Is there any documentation about the Push email technollogy? Manual? do i need to have a exchange server in order to be able to use Push mail, or can it be done using my proviser's email server?
regards
Arjan :arrow:

UK AKU2 (Push Email) for o2 XDA exec

I'am looking to buy the 02 xda exec i want Push email on the device does it have the AKu2 ROM?
has o2 released it?
any other ways around this ?

tomcoleman said:
I'am looking to buy the 02 xda exec i want Push email on the device does it have the AKu2 ROM?
has o2 released it?
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I just reall don't see what all the fuss is about. If I buy a blackberry I can get push email by adding on the £12.77/mth instant email package.
If I want to do it on my Exec, I have to have £700 Exchange or similar configured on a server, and pay someone a monthly fee for exchange hosting on top of that (I think?)...?
I work in O2 sales, and they were training us in the update the other day, but the vast majority of our SME customers won't have Exchange + Win Server. To be honest, it makes more sense to simply check your email every 10 minutes automatically for most people...
Am I way off base here, am I missing something??

i have exchange and windows server.
i want push email as it will simply alert me when an email hits my inbox and i dont need to watse time connecting and checking all day

tomcoleman said:
i have exchange and windows server.
i want push email as it will simply alert me when an email hits my inbox and i dont need to watse time connecting and checking all day
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Most people don't have exchange and server running though.... and there's no wasting time involved in setting your exec once to check mail automatically on a set schedule.
I just think too many people are getting excited over this for nothing.
I'd have said that A2DP was more important for most.

@belfast biker,
I'm with you. I was an IT Manager (as well as a Management Consultant) a few years ago with a small company. The Consultants wanted Black Berry devices with Push email. I said it was not worthwhile (even though we did use MS Exchange, a Black Berry server would have been another £2500) and so I set-up email downloads on their mobile phones and told them to check their emails when they had a spare moment. Guess what, most very happy with this solution as they did not to start their laptops and look for a dial-up point etc.

I used to have a blackberry. Its actually a great device in corporate mode, useless for personal (as it does not let you manage your main email acc, you have to set up an account with a provider so its a whole hassle). The main reason that push email is great is that, on the blackberry, you do nothing. then when email comes a green light flashes. You just brush a button and it shows you the subject. If you want to see the first few lines you just click another key, all instantaneous. If you want to see the whole email you click to download + attachments. I would love to have this facility on the universal. I expect that like the blackberry service providers will eventually offer a personal service (i.e. no BES or exchange server needed).
I'm quite happy with web based email on the universal however. I refused a blackberry from my company as I don't want to be working at 5 in the morning ...

4smartphone.net Exchange Server Service

Greetings all,
I upgraded my 8125 to the Qtek ROM via summiter's ROM upgrade tool, (worked perfectly, thanks summiter!) and I enabled push email.
Since I didnt have and Exchange server, I signed up for one with 4smartphone.net after reading about them in PocketPC Mag. Anyone use them? there's a 15 day trial, but they couldnt get my account setup right after calling them 3 times and about 4 hours wait, then it seemed to work, push email worked great..
Now this morning, they're server is unresponsive again.. jsut wondering if anyone uses them and what their experiance with them is.. i'm not to happy with them right now..

I would also be interested in this. I need to find a good shared exchange provider and I am thinking about going with Intermedia.net.

I wasn't happy with the response I got on a pre-sales query. So I used 1and1.co.uk instead.
They provide push mail (but don't list it) and support a multi-domain email. The only down side is that they don't provide spam filtering. But I figured out how to block it (spam) via filtering.

fowen said:
I would also be interested in this. I need to find a good shared exchange provider and I am thinking about going with Intermedia.net.
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I have been using 4smartphone for about a month w/o difficulty -- I use Outlook rules to send copies of all my office mail to 4smartphone which then pushes them to my k-jam. Only negative in this is that all the msg. come in with my name and address as the sender (no prob changing this if I use reply but it is an extra step). Service is quite fast and so far w/o problems in either direction.

well, just got an email from them about the server outage, with them profusely apologising.. at least they're letting their customers know about it..
another thing i didnt really like is you have to pay for a full year up front.. although right now i'm diggin' the fact that i get push email(tested i get an email within 15 seconds of it being sent), and also that my Outlook on my laptop and my 8125 are fully synced.. if i read it on my 8125, it's listed as read on my laptop and vice versa, so i dont have to re-read anything or whatever.. pretty slick.. they also sync contacts, tasks, calendar, etc too..
they have a 15 day trial, so im gonna give it another week or so and see how it goes..

Just signed up for this at mail2 web. I used to use them ages ago just to check a couple of pop3 accounts at work, but they are doing a beta of a free hosted Exchange service. Even better is that you can get a personal Exchange account for $1.99 a month. You need to create an email address with them, but you can link other pop3 accounts to it as well.
http://services.mail2web.com/FreeServices/m2wLive/

What I like about 4smartphone.net is that when you send mail through them, it will show as your own pre-set email address and not [email protected].
I just finished the trial and signed up for their Express service. I think you can get your money back (pro rata) if you cancel before your subscription expires.
I was considering 1and1.co.uk or 1and1.com too, but couldn't be asked to change all the settings.

I've been using 4smartphone since January and so far I am very happy with them. I have sent about 4 emails to tech support and I received responses within a few hours and they were very helpful. They even verified that my account switched from SMS notification to direct push when I asked (after I upgraded).

I really like using them, so much so that I got the company I work for to sign up with 4smartphone. There are a total of 9 people at my work. Great customer service and a great price.

I just setup a mail2web account and had some problems getting either the txt message based push to work or the direct push to work.
After I contacted them they told me this functionality hasn't been installed and will be done over the next week.

good service
I used 4smartphone when i was working from my office at home and the service was good. I am in a 30+ staff office now and we use Intermedia which is great to. I've got my email set up on my blackberry and you can check your email through outlook on the web which is convenient as well.

emoze.com offering free push email...any tried this yet?

www.emoze.com has just come up with a push email feature for mobiles and pdas.
i just wanted to know if anyone has tried out the service and how is it?
i don't have an outlook exchange server so i can't really set up direct push on my 8125.

I just checked and Emoze does not support the Qtek 9100 yet

try selecting the Tmo MDA.. same thing.. i'm downloading the program now to see if it works..

ok, stay away from it for now, it is in beta, but here's what happened to me..
1. it replicated my contacts about 40 times.. i had to go thru and delete duplicates... ugh..
2. Program on the PC desktop crashes randomly, it crashed 4 times in a 30 minute period..
3. kinda flaky performance.. it works as in the push email function, it notifies you, but then it took 3-4 trys on the PPC to get out of the notification/program and see the actual email in outlook..
give it time and if they perfect it a little, this will be very cool to have..

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ok, stay away from it for now, it is in beta, but here's what happened to me..
1. it replicated my contacts about 40 times.. i had to go thru and delete duplicates... ugh..
2. Program on the PC desktop crashes randomly, it crashed 4 times in a 30 minute period..
3. kinda flaky performance.. it works as in the push email function, it notifies you, but then it took 3-4 trys on the PPC to get out of the notification/program and see the actual email in outlook..
give it time and if they perfect it a little, this will be very cool to have..
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Cool, thanks for the input. Hopefully they'll fix the bugs soon so we can use it.

replicated my contacts also, it states that you cannot have activesync running while this program is running, which is kinda ridiculous...another thing is, it runs OFF of your computer, uses your OUTLOOK, nothing on their end, its just a piece of software...in other words, if your computer is off, no email....useless if you ask me

Ya know, it's a shame the T-Mobile's SMS-based notification feature isn't a bit better tuned. It really works well - just takes to long to notify your phone of a new event.
For anyone who hasn't tried it. When you go to the T-Mobile website, you can put in the info for one or more of your non-T-Mobile email services. You can use POP3 or IMAP4 servers along with your SMTP server, and you specify your email login and password.
After that, you can click on the feature in your MDA that retrieves specs for your email account from T-Mobile's servers, and pocket Outlook will set up an appropriate additional account for you in the MDA. With this all set up, you can, in addition to your normal way of checking your email, check your email account via the T-Mobile website or via your MDA simply by doing a Send/Receive on the MDA in the Messaging app.
The neat part that T-Mobile hasn't quite implemented 100% is that you can have their server monitor your email account for new incoming messages, and in turn send a "silent SMS" to your MDA to let it know when new email has arrived. Then your MDA automatically kicks off a Send/Receive, fetches whatever email is waiting on the server and notifies you.
This works quite well. The ONLY problem is that that it may take way too long for you to be notified that something new is on the server. This could be due to one (or both) of two possibilities:
1) T-Mobile's back-end servers may not be monitoring and checking your email server frequently enough. If it checks for new email every minute, that's great - but if it waits 30 minutes between checks, that's about the best you can hope for when waiting for your MDA to be notified about new incoming mail.
2) Even if T-Mobile's back-end servers "know" that your email provider's servers have new mail for you once a minute, that only helps if the "daemon" (or whatever process they use) sends the "silent SMS" to you immediately. If the "silent SMS" is queued up, and the process to send them out is delayed, or possibly scheduled to happen once every 30 minutes, we have yet another way in which it takes too long for your phone to be notified that new email has arrived.
Whichever delay is causing this, it would be fantastic if T-Mobile could fix it. If they did, this would, functionally, serve the purpose of push email for many of us -- especially for those of us who have unlimited messaging as part of our plan with T-Mobile.

despite the bugs, it worked great, and i'm gonna keep an eye on their progress..
This is basically the program i've been looking for. Something that I can load on my own PC (since it's on 24/7) and have it sync my inboxes on my 8125.. it was nearly instantaneous when it worked on my system..
a note to people that want to try this though...
1. BACKUP YOUR CONTACTS!!!!
2. Make sure ActiveSync is set to not sync anything, and turned off.
3. Then run the program..
I wish it was more stable, and i'd use it all the time, but until then, im sticking with POP updating every 2 minutes..

I can't get it to work on my PC in my office. My company uses a proxy server and the desktop app can't connect to the internet. Any suggestions?

not really sure.. but keep an eye on this thread from their forums, the emoze team might respond with an answer..
http://forum.emoze.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=44

I have trying mail2web.com it uses push for activesync for free.
working very well.

mail2web isn't true push, its pull...

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mail2web isn't true push, its pull...
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I think they started push service in their "live.web2mail" bbeta but I could be mistaken as I have not tried it. Even if it free it wont be for long as MS has pretty expensive licensing fees per user to use exchange server. I think they have 6 months where they can claim 0 users. The emoze you need your home pc on all the time. For me it would be ok cuz i always keep my pc turned on but for a lot of people i dont think they do that.

Any news on this? Is it working yet? I keep my computer on all the time and was looking at running Exchange Server from it to get Push Email, but maybe I'm better off waiting for this?

I've been using a mail3web live account for a couple of weeks and it works very well. I just had to set up mail forawrding from my own ISP. I'm pretty sure it's not push email but it works fine through active sync on the PPC as long as I remember not to kill the application. You can set it to synch with the sever as often as you like and as I'm a bit worried about getting a large bill and I'm not too wooried about getting everything instantaniously I've set mine to synch with the server every two hours. If I want to check more frequently I just hit send/receive.
Dave

Whoops - no I haven't discovered a new one! The above should read mail2web live account!
Dave

I've been using mail2web for a few days... its cool.... and push email too, but that needs a few tweaks before it works properly

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I've been using mail2web for a few days... its cool.... and push email too, but that needs a few tweaks before it works properly
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ok, so can you please tell us more...any link for the tweak? thanx...

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ok, so can you please tell us more...any link for the tweak? thanx...
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There's no tweak. mail2web just upgraded to Exchange SP2, so if you've got a ROM in your wizard that supports push (I'm using the 2.17 custom on my TMO MDA), sign up for a free mail2web account, forward your email there from other accounts, and follow the diretions to set it up on your Wizard, and you will get true push email now.
The only problem I have is that I forward my gmail to my mail2web, and once or twice/day I notice I'm not getting e-mail, sign in to my gmail account and under the forward it says gmail is having trouble forwarding to that account. I push try again, and it starts sending my email again for maybe a day. I think mail2web is either having a problem receiving so much mail (there's been a big buzz about it on xda and howard last few weeks), or else it might be a problem with their spam filters...
MC

thanx for ur reply...that's exactly what i did and got a gmail account too and everything's ok here...all my mails are directed to my mail2web account ( actually live.mail2web.com account)
But can not succeed in push to mail...my rom is the "test only" one I think it's the one before the official 2.17....Any chance to get it work though?
Many thanx...

pushing gmail onto my phone.

prewarning: i'm a complete microsoft exchange newbie, although i have experience in win2003 management / active directory etc.
here's what i'm trying to do.
basically, push my gmail email onto my phone (running windows mobile 5). i don't want pop access, i want actual PUSH.
how i figure this would work:
- forward my email from gmail to my local win2003 machine, which has exchange 2003 running
- exchange in turn pushes the email onto my phone immediately
- i can reply on my phone and it looks like it came from my gmail address, not from my local domain (i.e. my exchange server address).
so far i'm ok with 1 and 2, all is working golden. BUT i can't reply on my phone - it sends the message fine but shows the from address as my exchange server address.
any idea how to fix this? basically would want to set up some sort of mail relay...
any help would be appreciated! would be glad to provide a few free accounts to people who can help!
cheers!

If you have Exchange there is a way to setup an alias to accomplish this. PM me if you would like and I can explain in a PM. Basically what it does is it tricks Exchange into thinking it's sending from another e-mail address but basically it just changes the Reply to field so people see it coming from your gmail instead of your exchange account.

Maybe you should try Push Effect ?

took a look at push effect. not quite what i'd like... i odn't want any more running crap on my phone, especially not some alerting service. i want pretty much seamless integration with my outlook on my phone. it can't be hard, i'd rather do it myself for free rather than shell out something or other for licenses or software.
i'm already using emoze (emoze.com) which is good, but adds a silly little signature at the end of emails with some ad. PLUS it has added software running on my pc and phone, which i don't care much for.

try www.port88.org not sure if it's still free. When i signed up it was... amazing services

yep have seen that site. they have a suggested donation of $50, and even then not sure if they let me set my own "from" address...

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yep have seen that site. they have a suggested donation of $50, and even then not sure if they let me set my own "from" address...
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They require a donation in order to use alias, but then again, most places will. If he is already running his own exchange server, then he can just use that. Check your PMs chamelion I sent you instructions.

got the pm thanks
i did actually did do just that a little while ago and it works great (except for sending myself an email).
i have a whole new issue though, i was tryign to implement certificate authentication and now everythings messed up... it just doesn't synch up any more
i'll figure it out, or just reinstall the whole damn thing!

FINALLY got everything working - the aliases and even the SSL authentication which was a pain in the ass. turns out to have been the smallest stupidest mistake i was making, as it usually is!
if anyone wants free push email like denial is offering, shoot me a PM, i can offer the same
cheers!