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Hello All,
I recently bought a 3G Cingular service plan with unlimited data. I have a Qtek 9000. Do you think I can use it in markets where cingular offer 3G to make use of video calls/ high speed internet etc?
Thanks,
Gilbert
The Universal only supports UMTS 2100 Mhz not the Cingular 1900Mhz based system.
Bummer. This is a sad day in the history of sad days :evil: Ok but I can still use my unlimited GPRS to surf the net, right?
With the new devices planned for this year, are they planning multi UMTS bands along with GSM quad/ multi bands?
Thanks,
Gilbert
You can only use GPRS on the 1900 network. If you're outta luck there are no 1900 masts in your area (only 850) and it will be a really, really sad day and you wished you had bought a quad band device etc...
There is also some rumour that US UMTS will not use the 2100 band - that would be a real bummer.
I remember in the US when the Jam came out there was two radio versions. One for the US, I cannot remember the bands and another for the rest of the world. But I clearly remember that it was a software issue and not a hardware as the software could change the frequency to match your requirements.
Does this exist for UMTS?
Regards,
Gilbert
this depends more on the antenna design, and how far away the bands are. The radio tuner should not be the issue.
Thanks for the reply. Does a software band switcher exist to do the switch to 1900 UMTS from 2100 UMTS?
Thanks,
Gilbert
The Truth
USA uses the 2100 frequency for US satalites this is why Cingular does not support the 2100 frequency. They will never have 3G on 2100, FCC crap the only thing we can only hope for is a hardware upgrade for the antenna but I doubt it. GPRS only works on 1900 so who ever told you the 850 crap doesn't know. this is why you can get voice calls in certain area but no data + if you only had an 850 towers you wouldn't beable to make a call scince you don't have that band on your device. I don't think there would be a way to hack it to use the 1900 mhz frequency because it would take a really smart developer that can do a lot more than registry tweeks to wirte a relay to the 1900mhz antenna. sorry guys.
I did a lot of reading on this last night. Rumor is Cingular is to start using the 1900 band for incoming and outgoing and then add the 850 band latter since the 2100 band is not available.
just a rumor
It is just a rumor. They already have 3G on 1900 and that's it, 850 is old technology if anything the 1900 tower are going to be eventually replace the 850 tower. Trust me, I live in LV where 3G is all over, GPRS, and 3G is only on 1900mhz if you look at the coverage maps for gprs vs the cellular coverage map you'll see what I'm saying.
I'm wondering if the 3G will work on US T-mobile when they start the service in my area. I read on T-mobile that their 3G will be on 1700 and 2100 MHz frequency. I also read that X1 support 850/1900/2100 Mhz.
I saw numerous article saying that X1 will not support US T-mobile 3G. How does it work exactly since X1 support 2100MHz and T-mobile is providing 2100 MHz?
Can someone please enlighten me?
kencka said:
I'm wondering if the 3G will work on US T-mobile when they start the service in my area. I read on T-mobile that their 3G will be on 1700 and 2100 MHz frequency. I also read that X1 support 850/1900/2100 Mhz.
I saw numerous article saying that X1 will not support US T-mobile 3G. How does it work exactly since X1 support 2100MHz and T-mobile is providing 2100 MHz?
Can someone please enlighten me?
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the 3g aws was 1700 so tmo 3g is 1700 .. soo no tmo 3g for x1. im getting the x1 and am also on tmo. if you want 3g and a touchscreen then g1 is your lesser priced choice. but i would still go with x1 with wifi
A quick search would have provided your answers. T-Mobile run on AWS which is a 1700/2100 MHz pair. The X1 only supports standard 2100 MHz which is used by nearly every other network in the world.
Saw this news story, does anyone know if it is credible? The NextG Service is on the 850MHz band which is the same as Rogers/Fido in Canada and Cingular in the US...if all this is true then one of these unlocked would be 3G Compatible in North America...Thoughts?
http://apcmag.com/iphonelike_htc_touch_hd_set_for_aussie_launch.htm
http://www.expansys.com.au/d.aspx?i=173812
Well that would suck for me because about 3 hours ago I got an iPhone because I really needed 3g already I do ally of browsing and videos but I like the touch he better....
What is the exact issue with North America and the Touch HD? I thought HSDPA was fully supported in our continent under most major providers. Just curious as I'm looking at purchasing one in the future.
Lokosis said:
What is the exact issue with North America and the Touch HD? I thought HSDPA was fully supported in our continent under most major providers. Just curious as I'm looking at purchasing one in the future.
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The Touch HD that is out now operates on UMTS 900/2100. Telstra in Australia and the North American providers (except T-Mobile) use UMTS 850.
hopefully it is just some software that HTC did. cuz we do have that option to change it to 850MHz 3G in the phone but just nothing happens to it. If a flash can fix it then it should be ok. EDGE for me is pretty fast anyways in Toronto most of the time.
b-e-a-s-t said:
Saw this news story, does anyone know if it is credible? The NextG Service is on the 850MHz band which is the same as Rogers/Fido in Canada and Cingular in the US...if all this is true then one of these unlocked would be 3G Compatible in North America...Thoughts?
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850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
850/1900Mhz....
could someone please explain the upload/download at different frequencies paradigm to me?
cortez.i said:
850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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This is incorrect. With at&t you do not need both. With just 850mHz you will be more than fine.
Now with T-Mobile you would need both 1700 and 2100 not just 2100 or just 1700 both. Just more reason to hate T-Mobile.
I am ready to take the plunge and drop the $ for an HD. I also will switch my number back to at&t from verizon. I guessi cna say almost ready. I really dont want to spend $800 for no 3G
Does anyone know how hspa in Canada with Rogers/Fido works? i.e. are dual frequencies required or is 850MHz enough to get top speeds? Thanks...
Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?
Some carriers in the US and Canada use 850mhz such as AT&T and Rogers but they also use 1900mhz. It really depends where you live... Whiich city, state etc
1900mhz is growing in popularity in the states.
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Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?
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Doesnt work
b-e-a-s-t said:
could someone please explain the upload/download at different frequencies paradigm to me?
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I can't remember which but one is used for uploading and one is used for downloading.
cortez.i said:
850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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You are exactly right. YOu need both 1900 and 850mhz
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Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?
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Sadly, no 3G for me.
You do not need both 1900 and 850. Its only tmobile that u need both frequenes but they use 1700 and 2100. As long as u have ether 850 or 1900 (depending on what freuency ur area uses) u will have 3g with at&t.
cortez.i said:
850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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No, the *network* you use may be present on more than one frequency, but its not 850 being uplink and 1700 being the downlink.
When we talk about UMTS the downlink is around 850/1700/2100 but the uplink is always a few MHz below that. (to be pedantic, the UMTS specification specifies the exact downlink/uplink separation)
I can't imagine HTC producing a UMTS 850 phone that won't work on ATT/Rogers and Telstra . Telstra only needs the 850 band so HTC can add in whatever extra the US providers use. It will probably be the same bands supported by the HTC Hermes and other phones common to these providers.
for AT&T, you do NOT need both frequencies (850 and 1900) for 3G. They don't HAVE both frequencies in most areas. It's one or the other.
And yes, T-Mobile US sucks ass...
-Mc
Tremere said:
No, the *network* you use may be present on more than one frequency, but its not 850 being uplink and 1700 being the downlink.
When we talk about UMTS the downlink is around 850/1700/2100 but the uplink is always a few MHz below that. (to be pedantic, the UMTS specification specifies the exact downlink/uplink separation)
I can't imagine HTC producing a UMTS 850 phone that won't work on ATT/Rogers and Telstra . Telstra only needs the 850 band so HTC can add in whatever extra the US providers use. It will probably be the same bands supported by the HTC Hermes and other phones common to these providers.
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McHale said:
for AT&T, you do NOT need both frequencies (850 and 1900) for 3G. They don't HAVE both frequencies in most areas. It's one or the other.
And yes, T-Mobile US sucks ass...
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Well I stand corrected then. This is good news then. Just need somebody in the US to buy a Telstra HD and see if it works. I guess it will be dependent on the area though. If you don't have 850mhz.
Lol i guess it took a senor member to say it for anyone to believe it. I only said it in the first page lol. Lets see what happens when the aus model comes out.
So it is decided then IF the Blackstone is introduced by Telstra and working on their 850MHz 3.5G Network THEN it has the opportunity to work in both the US on Att and Canada's Rogers/Fido...I will wait for this device, purchase it and let the board know if someone else doesn't beat me to it!
P.S. does someone think that this release may be with the Android OS for Telstra? It was the Telstra reps that were commenting at CES 2009 regarding Palm Pre and how the next Android phone that they were testing kicks it...who knows probably coincidence...
Bands :
UMTS 2100 / 1900 / 850 MHz
GSM / EDGE 1900 / 1800 / 900 / 850 MHz
HSDPA / HSUPA:HSDPA 7.2 Mbps / HSUPA 5.76 Mbps
That above is directly from their Tech page. Is it 3G or not.?
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/mobile-streak?c=us&l=en&s=corp
i get 3g/h so yea....it is.. /shrug
Yes it is, and work very nice I do download at 200kbps, and by wi-fi around 15mbps.
I never seen before any mobile doing download so quickly.
Sent from my Dell Streak using XDA App
Same here its a lot faster on 3g than the last two wm phones i have this is my first android so dont know about other devices
does anyone know if the 3g/HSDPA will work in europe if i import it from the US?
i'll be in NY for the summer, will i be able to buy it unlocked from a physical store?
thanks
My bad for not stating I was interested in T-Mobile 3G.
Isn't that the 1700/2100 HSPDA band? Did not see that in the tech specs.
Mariol said:
does anyone know if the 3g/HSDPA will work in europe if i import it from the US?
i'll be in NY for the summer, will i be able to buy it unlocked from a physical store?
thanks
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The 2100 frequency should work on 3G worldwide, right? I also asked a representative in chat if the Streak will be sold unlocked on their website and the answer is "we don't know yet, check back when the product is actually on the market".
I did not know what was exact, until I read this below
http://www.streaksmart.com/2010/07/dell-streak-with-tmobile-3g-bands-out-in-the-wild.html
I'm sorry if I am repeating information, but I thought I would explain in case anyone else was wondering.
UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA are 3G technologies, so yes its defintiely 3G.
The 2100 MHz support should help the dell Streak work in countries other than the US and on networks other than AT&T. BUT, keep in mind that this will not work with T-Mobile's 3g network.
T-mobile uses 1700/2100, but the 2100 here on the dell shouldn't help much, because the 2100 is used for downloading while the 1700 band is used for uploading, and I'm pretty sure you can't use 3G download without 3G upload connected too. So if a carrier outside the US has a similar setup as T-mobile USA, with the split upload and download bands, then you could find yourself without 3G on that network too.
hey,
im thinking about buying a t-mobile version of the G2 in the us.
but i thiunk its on the 1700 MHz. or is it also on the 2100MHz ?
because in germany i am on the eplus network and i dont know exactly on what band it is!
anyone having experience with that?
am i able to use the t-mobile g2 on the germany eplus 3G network?
thanks for your help
u should find some info about ur network's bands... if u cant , call them ... im with vodafone europ with tmous hd2 and its working fine with the 2100mhz 3g
Coming from the US, T-mobile has 1700/2100 mhz bands. I believe that means they use both
okay thanks,
i figured out that eplus has 2100 MHz and the phone im thinking about buying should have 1700 / 2100 MHz. so i guess itll work
thanks again!
Here's more footage on that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803035
The phone will definitely work in all GSM bands (Quadband) and the UMTS/3g Band 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz according to various internet sources.