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Does X1 3G work on US T-mobile?

I'm wondering if the 3G will work on US T-mobile when they start the service in my area. I read on T-mobile that their 3G will be on 1700 and 2100 MHz frequency. I also read that X1 support 850/1900/2100 Mhz.
I saw numerous article saying that X1 will not support US T-mobile 3G. How does it work exactly since X1 support 2100MHz and T-mobile is providing 2100 MHz?
Can someone please enlighten me?

kencka said:
I'm wondering if the 3G will work on US T-mobile when they start the service in my area. I read on T-mobile that their 3G will be on 1700 and 2100 MHz frequency. I also read that X1 support 850/1900/2100 Mhz.
I saw numerous article saying that X1 will not support US T-mobile 3G. How does it work exactly since X1 support 2100MHz and T-mobile is providing 2100 MHz?
Can someone please enlighten me?
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the 3g aws was 1700 so tmo 3g is 1700 .. soo no tmo 3g for x1. im getting the x1 and am also on tmo. if you want 3g and a touchscreen then g1 is your lesser priced choice. but i would still go with x1 with wifi

A quick search would have provided your answers. T-Mobile run on AWS which is a 1700/2100 MHz pair. The X1 only supports standard 2100 MHz which is used by nearly every other network in the world.

Samsung Galaxy S I9000 works with T-mobile US?

I would like to know if this version work 3G with T-mobile US , i want to get it from clove.co.uk but i want to make sure first if it works with T-mobile US 3G ....
Thanks

clove sell them with 3g frequencies of
3G Network - HSDPA 900/1900/2100
t-mobile usa uses 3g on
1700 and 2100
so you would be missing a band, doubt it would be any good for you.

no 3G without the 1700 band
tmo usa uses 1700 upload and 2100 download - i foolishly thought i could survive with just 3G on the download side - luckily someone that had tried it with a HTC Desire from Tmo UK told me it didn't - if tmo usa network doesn't see both sides of the AWS IV band (1700 & 2100) it will limit the connection to 2G speeds

larryccf said:
no 3G without the 1700 band
tmo usa uses 1700 upload and 2100 download - i foolishly thought i could survive with just 3G on the download side - luckily someone that had tried it with a HTC Desire from Tmo UK told me it didn't - if tmo usa network doesn't see both sides of the AWS IV band (1700 & 2100) it will limit the connection to 2G speeds
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that's why they call it a "band". Without both frequencies that are bound together, it aint gonna work.

Thanks guys for the answers. I really like this phone but I don't want to get the one in tmobile, because I want Arabic support and I don't know if vibrant accept I900 0 Roms . If it does of course I will get it . So my q now is the vibrant accept I9000 roms or not ?
Thanks again
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[Q] Will Euro Tab work on US 3G?

I haven't seen any specs for North American Galaxy Tab so I don't know if the AT&T version will have UMTS 850. I have ordered a Euro version that has UMTS 1900 so I presume it "should" work on AT&T 3G but I'm worried because what I can find on this subject implies UMTS 850 is essential for AT&T 3G. Can anyone with experience in US tell me how well the UMTS 1900 only works? Thanks.

Yes
To be more specific, it will if your city still has the 1900 mhz band. Check here: http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml

Funk2641 said:
Yes
To be more specific, it will if your city still has the 1900 mhz band. Check here: http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
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Thanks for the quick response and the maps (first time I've seen coverage maps by frequency, since AT&T no longer offers them) Very helpful and I feel better about haven ordered the Euro version.

Are there any owners of cellphones using the Euro 900/1900 UMTS frequencies on US 3G networks who can share their experience?

I live in the SF Bay Area and here the network is mainly 1900Mhz so the device works very well.
If you live in a market that got 3g fairly early, your network in probably 1900Mhz.
If you live in a market that only recently (1-2 years) got 3G, you might be on a 850Mhz network.

[Q] Using the phone on another carrier

I am planning to buy MT4G, unlock it and use it on another carrier with compatible frequencies of course. Will I be still able to get updates using for example a wifi connection? or should I download updates manually? Is there something that I will lose when I use the phone on another carrier ?

I don't know if you mean overseas or in any place other than the U.S. but the only "compatible" carrier for this phone besides T-Mobile is AT&T. The reason why compatible is in quotes is because yes the phone would function and make calls on that network, but you will lose 3G and HSPA+ service as AT&T's equivalents operate on a different and incompatible spectrum.
I would also assume that you would not receive OTA updates either.

unremarked said:
I don't know if you mean overseas or in any place other than the U.S. but the only "compatible" carrier for this phone besides T-Mobile is AT&T. The reason why compatible is in quotes is because yes the phone would function and make calls on that network, but you will lose 3G and HSPA+ service as AT&T's equivalents operate on a different and incompatible spectrum.
I would also assume that you would not receive OTA updates either.
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Overseas, on a network that is compatible with regard to GSM/ UMTS frequencies. So the only way to get updates is to download them from forums like this one?

raeef said:
Overseas, on a network that is compatible with regard to GSM/ UMTS frequencies. So the only way to get updates is to download them from forums like this one?
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I don't know for absolute certain, but I'm 95% sure you wouldn't recieve OTA since it goes out over the network your phone is connected to.
You can usually snag the update from here, but unfortunately, a lot of people didn't run aLogcat to log the download and get the link. Including myself, though I'm trying now with my second device.

unremarked said:
I don't know for absolute certain, but I'm 95% sure you wouldn't recieve OTA since it goes out over the network your phone is connected to.
You can usually snag the update from here, but unfortunately, a lot of people didn't run aLogcat to log the download and get the link. Including myself, though I'm trying now with my second device.
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Another question, does anyone know if this device works on UMTS band I 2100 ( 2100/1900)? I really can't make up my mind because it's not clear on T mobile website. It says UMTS 1700/2100/AWS and this looks like it's referring only to UMTS IV

raeef said:
Another question, does anyone know if this device works on UMTS band I 2100 ( 2100/1900)? I really can't make up my mind because it's not clear on T mobile website. It says UMTS 1700/2100/AWS and this looks like it's referring only to UMTS IV
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The phone is compatible with almost every gsm band the specs are:
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
HSDPA/HSUPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
In the US most carriers are using GSM 850/1900 and 3G 1700/2100 you will only get OTA from T-mobile in the US if you are using their cellphone service or you can hope and wait for the update to show up here on XDA in the forum.
http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
In Israel where I am, and England, France and Germany etc. the bands are
2G 900/1800 and 3G 2100
so you should have no problem using 3G or even 3g+ "4G" on this phone if your cell provider offers it. But it may require an advanced sim card or signing up for a special data service.
Dont get confused by the various terms (UMTS EDGE HSPA etc.) a phone that is guad-gsm and tri-3G will run the data services just fine but T-mobile will tell you we dont guarantee the data capabilities outside of our network... because they dont want lawsuits

mo976 said:
The phone is compatible with almost every gsm band the specs are:
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
HSDPA/HSUPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
In the US most carriers are using GSM 850/1900 and 3G 1700/2100 you will only get OTA from T-mobile in the US if you are using their cellphone service or you can hope and wait for the update to show up here on XDA in the forum.
In Israel where I am, and England, France and Germany etc. the bands are
2G 900/1800 and 3G 2100
so you should have no problem using 3G or even 3g+ "4G" on this phone if your cell provider offers it. But it may require an advanced sim card or signing up for a special data service.
Dont get confused by the various terms (UMTS EDGE HSPA etc.) a phone that is guad-gsm and tri-3G will run the data services just fine but T-mobile will tell you we dont guarantee the data capabilities outside of our network... because they dont want lawsuits
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Actually I am a telecom engineer so I know about the terms. You didn't get my question about the bands. Look here for example support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm24233.xml?&A2L.SERVICE=FeatureSummary
The listed Bands: 1 (2100) and 4 (AWS 1700/2100)
and that clearly shows that G2 supports 2 UMTS bands , 1 and 4
1 is 2100 paired with 1900 ( EU)
4 that is used by T mobile in the US.
So I am confused because on this page mytouch.t-mobile.com/mytouch-4g-features#/specs-and-manualsthey listed the bands like this
Bands 1700/2100/AWS that's why it's not clear for me if MT4G supports UMTS I or not.

This is the official reply from HTC when asked:
Dear ....,
I understand that you would like to know if your T-mobile Mytouch 4G device can use the 2100 MHZ band over in Europe for 3G. I do apologize your device is not compatible with the 2100 MHZ back over in Europe for 3G service. I do apologize for all the inconvenience that this may cause you.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number .....
Sincerely,
Victor
HTC
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raeef said:
Actually I am a telecom engineer so I know about the terms. You didn't get my question about the bands. Look here for example support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm24233.xml?&A2L.SERVICE=FeatureSummary
The listed Bands: 1 (2100) and 4 (AWS 1700/2100)
and that clearly shows that G2 supports 2 UMTS bands , 1 and 4
1 is 2100 paired with 1900 ( EU)
4 that is used by T mobile in the US.
So I am confused because on this page mytouch.t-mobile.com/mytouch-4g-features#/specs-and-manualsthey listed the bands like this
Bands 1700/2100/AWS that's why it's not clear for me if MT4G supports UMTS I or not.
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AWS is the data delivery method used only by Tmo in the US. So the 4G service may not work outside the US but according to the phone specs it states that it supports UMTS and GPRS/EDGE so it should support 3G UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ and gprs/edge for 2G everywhere. Ill test my HD (from England) when I get to new york in a day or so and see if I can get proper 3G speeds.
Todays smartphones are designed to be used worldwide with full service as much as possible.

AWS is just another name of UMTS band IV. This is the only UMTS band the MT4G supports, so you'll be able to use it for 3G on carriers that use this band. You can see the list of bands and operators that use them here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
In short, outside of the US, Canada, and Chile you're out of luck for 3G. You'd be able to use 2G fine though.

athakur999 said:
AWS is just another name of UMTS band IV. This is the only UMTS band the MT4G supports, so you'll be able to use it for 3G on carriers that use this band. You can see the list of bands and operators that use them here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
In short, outside of the US, Canada, and Chile you're out of luck for 3G. You'd be able to use 2G fine though.
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This is really confusing, look at this page http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm24243.xml?&A2L.SERVICE=FeatureSummary

mo976 said:
AWS is the data delivery method used only by Tmo in the US. So the 4G service may not work outside the US but according to the phone specs it states that it supports UMTS and GPRS/EDGE so it should support 3G UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ and gprs/edge for 2G everywhere. Ill test my HD (from England) when I get to new york in a day or so and see if I can get proper 3G speeds.
Todays smartphones are designed to be used worldwide with full service as much as possible.
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Frequency bands differ for different technologies on the same phone. For example there are 2 versions of Nexus one one for ATT and one for T mobile although they work on GSM level because the support both GSM bands on T mobile and ATT but not the UMTS bands on both networks. UMTS and GSM frequencies are not necessarily the same for each network and most probably they won't be the same. In my country we licensed 3G services ( UMTS) on 2100 band or UMTS 1 . GSM on 900 and 1800 only.

Can someone provide me with the FCC id from the back of the phone ?
I tired to search for it on the web but I don't think what I found was the correct one.

Update
I went to T-mobile store today, the guy was helpful and he printed out the official full technical specifications for the device that he pulled out and here what I got:
3G/UMTS Bands
Band I / UMTS2100 Yes
Band II / 1900 No
Band IV 1700/2100/AWS Yes
Band V/850 No
Band VII/ 900 No
The page was titled " Enablers" and listed specs for GSM and UMTS bands with their features. So I think this ends it for me, it does support both bands I and IV.

mo976 said:
AWS is the data delivery method used only by Tmo in the US. So the 4G service may not work outside the US but according to the phone specs it states that it supports UMTS and GPRS/EDGE so it should support 3G UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ and gprs/edge for 2G everywhere. Ill test my HD (from England) when I get to new york in a day or so and see if I can get proper 3G speeds.
Todays smartphones are designed to be used worldwide with full service as much as possible.
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Did it work with you in 3G speed in England ?

Good luck but I've taken my nexus one all over the planet... you'll get 3g in the countries listed above plus Japan (softbank only) but I haven't gotten 3g anywhere else....
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raeef said:
I am planning to buy MT4G, unlock it and use it on another carrier with compatible frequencies of course. Will I be still able to get updates using for example a wifi connection? or should I download updates manually? Is there something that I will lose when I use the phone on another carrier ?
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@OP: have you gotten the MT4G to work with UMTS Band I frequencies?

I got the update by only using my friend's t-mobile sim card, I think I got it via wifi since he doesn't have data plan.
unremarked said:
I don't know if you mean overseas or in any place other than the U.S. but the only "compatible" carrier for this phone besides T-Mobile is AT&T. The reason why compatible is in quotes is because yes the phone would function and make calls on that network, but you will lose 3G and HSPA+ service as AT&T's equivalents operate on a different and incompatible spectrum.
I would also assume that you would not receive OTA updates either.
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3G would not work in Europe, correct?

Hi, Just making sure this phone's 3G bands wouldn't work in W. Europe's 3G 2100 bands. Can anyone confirm? AWS is 1700/2100, which I think is upload/download. AFAIK, you would need the phone to do both upload and download in the 2100 region.

This phone works perfectly fine in europe on 3g.
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apple_g said:
This phone works perfectly fine in europe on 3g.
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What makes you say that? Not that I know for sure either way, but I've just seen answers going in either direction. Some say yes, some no.
Here's what I know:
Most of W. Europe uses 3G 2100 (perhaps a little 900?).
This phone has bands listed as 1700/AWS/2100.
This phone uses Band IV (T-Mobile) which uses both 1700 and 2100 (one for upload and one for download I think).
When the phone is listed as "1700/AWS/2100", does that mean it will do both AWS *and* 1700 upload/download *and* 2100 upload/download? If so, then I'm golden. But, I think this phone only does AWS, meaning that one of the bands is dedicated to one data direction only, i.e. one upload and the other download. So, I'm inclined to believe it wouldn't work on 3G in Europe.

It DOES WORK in Europe!
The phone DOES work in Europe. I used it in Norway in December, France and Portugal in January.
The thing is be very careful no to roam data or it is going to cost you a fortune!!!
If you must roam data, take a look at http://xcomglobal.com/. I used their MiFI and simply loved it!
Hope this helps,
Q

Q.Entity said:
The phone DOES work in Europe. I used it in Norway in December, France and Portugal in January.
The thing is be very careful no to roam data or it is going to cost you a fortune!!!
If you must roam data, take a look at http://xcomglobal.com/. I used their MiFI and simply loved it!
Hope this helps,
Q
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Thanks for the reply, but did you see the H icon then, and not just the E icon while in Europe? I realize that EDGE/GPRS would work just fine for data, but 3G is still in question. Even HTC says this phone, which is equipped only with AWS (Band IV), will not work in Europe for 3G data. I'm moving to Europe soon, and I'd just as soon sell it here before I leave. Thanks...

WHat I remember is seeing an R icon to warn me about the roaming. I turn the data off almost immediately so I did not pay much attention to it. I am not back in Europe until the first week in March. I guess by then you will know the answer...

In Europe ... data not working w/ Euro SIM card
I'm in Germany with an unlocked MT4G and, while the calling feature works, the data/internet package does not. Per the carrier here (Tchibo/O2), they use the 1800 band which to my knowledge IS supported by the device.
Any ideas of why this isn't working would be appreciated ... of course more appreciated would be any ideas for a solution.
Cheers,

The phone works fine with AWS and 2100 bands.
AWS is 1700 MHz band.
The device ONLY supports AWS and 2100. It doesn't support 1800 (which doesn't even exist) or 1900 or any other bands.

This phone is quad band for voice and GPRS/EDGE data - meaning 800, 1900 for N. America and 900, 1800 for Europe. It does not support the 2100 3G band as found in Europe. 3G is only supported over the AWS band in N. America, which is *both* 1700 and 2100 simultaneously.
EDIT: It appears that the specs on this phone are somewhat ambiguous. The phone supports "1700/2100/AWS". It's not clear whether the phone supports BOTH Band I (Europe 2100) and Band IV (N. America 1700/2100). There are very sporadic reports that 3G does indeed work in Europe, and hence, Band I. There are other reports to the contrary. It could be that one group is right and one is wrong, and it could also be that there are multiple batches.

floepie said:
This phone is quad band for voice and GPRS/EDGE data - meaning 800, 1900 for N. America and 900, 1800 for Europe. It does not support the 2100 3G band as found in Europe. 3G is only supported over the AWS band in N. America, which is *both* 1700 and 2100 simultaneously.
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Please set your facts straight / upgrade your knowledge.
AWS is using frequencies in 1700-ish and 2100-ish MHz range.
But:
2100 MHz is a separate band, found in Europe, as well as in most of the world.
It's supported by this phone, regardless of AWS.
I'm using it RIGHT NOW.
And it happens to be fully functional.
When phone specs refer to frequency, they actually refer to an operating band name.
MT4G technical specs state that it supports 1700 and 2100 bands - which are IV and I, respectively.
Thus, it works in Europe, using band I.
And I'm only referring to UMTS bands, not GSM.

Jack_R1 said:
Please set your facts straight / upgrade your knowledge.
AWS is using frequencies in 1700-ish and 2100-ish MHz range.
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Nice edit! Looks like you've upgraded yourself too.
Jack_R1 said:
I'm using it RIGHT NOW.
And it happens to be fully functional.
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...while others claim otherwise. See my "edit" above.
Jack_R1 said:
When phone specs refer to frequency, they actually refer to an operating band name.
MT4G technical specs state that it supports 1700 and 2100 bands - which are IV and I, respectively.
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Wikipedia isn't so great for supporting evidence. Also doesn't explain why the manufacturer lists the 3G specs as "1700/2100/AWS". The AWS is both ambiguous and redundant if the above were true.

floepie said:
Nice edit! Looks like you've upgraded yourself too.
...while others claim otherwise. See my "edit" above.
Wikipedia isn't so great for supporting evidence. Also doesn't explain why the manufacturer lists the 3G specs as "1700/2100/AWS". The AWS is both ambiguous and redundant if the above were true.
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Yes, edited the post. My problem - sometimes the urge to make sure I'm not writing bullstuff occurs after I actually write some
I'll explain the sporadic reports: at least in part of Europe, the coverage is 900/2100 bands and not only 2100 band. In these cases, phones like Nexus One would work, but Mytouch 4G wouldn't. There is another Wikipedia link, list of UMTS carriers with their bandwidth, and you can see which countries are "affected". I remember for sure that France is.
Very few people are credible sources for reports.
First Google result for "Mytouch 4G specs":
http://mytouch.t-mobile.com/mytouch-3g-slide-phone-specifications
UMTS: Yes; Bands: 1700/2100
I don't see any mention of AWS and 1700 in the same place as 2 different bands. And I don't believe that specs should be taken from other sites, that aren't hosting official data. They're definitely not so great for supporting evidence
The phone is 100% working with 2100 band.

Fair enough. Although, it states directly on the box ----> "1700/AWS/2100". Therein lies the ambiguity and/or redundancy.

hi,
would 3G work in the UK with this phone? O2 in Uk uses 2100 W-CDMA so would it work?
Does anyone have it in the UK?
sorry if this is a stupid question.

Aiex Rlder said:
hi,
would 3G work in the UK with this phone? O2 in Uk uses 2100 W-CDMA so would it work?
Does anyone have it in the UK?
sorry if this is a stupid question.
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I use O2 in Ireland with my mt4g when I'm over there with no problems, however my O2 plan is pay as you go with no data so I cant comment on the data there.

I bought a one month PAYG data-only plan while in Sweden (Telia).
I was averaging 3-4mb downloads in areas where I got 3G reception (reception at my in-law's summer house, on the other hand, is a different matter).

I am going over to europe soon, i plan on just turning on wifi and starbucks hope all over faster than 3G

any more helpful insights anyone?

I believe you've got your answer.
The phone works with 2100 band, so you'll have 3G.