As discussed in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=41403
the new push email feature coming with the AKU2 update has what I believe to be a fatal flaw in that it does not seem to be able to wake the device up and notify the user when a new email arrives. So long as the device is not in standby mode, the notifications work fine but when it goes to sleep or the top power button is pressed, you lose the email notifications. My workaround is to turn off the automatic device off feature in the power settings and use AEButtons Plus to turn off the screen (the entire screen, not just the backlight) when I am not using the device. This is certainly not a perfect solution as there are times when I forget to turn the screen off or when a calendar or task notification turns the screen back on when I am not around the device (in this case, the backlight will time out but the screen will stay on until I turn it off).
All that is long-winded background for a request to the programmer types around for an application to solve this dilemna. I think the application would be quite simple and would simply provide for an automatic screen off feature after a certain period of inactivity. Ideally, this application might also be able to remap the power off button to turn the screen off as well, but this might have other negative consequences. Of course an application that would wake the devide up on receipt of a pushed email would be even better but I am giving MS the benefit of the doubt that such a feature might be difficult if not impossible to pull off at this time. There may be such an application out there right now, but if there is, I have not come across it.
I am sure there are few people that would be willing to pay for an application of this nature. Anyone?
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I noticed that the 8525 does not wake for new email - just get audible alert. Any way to have it behave like this for other notifications such as new txt msg or incoming call? My device spends the majority of the day in my pocket.
After some further research I found some apps for Palm that appear to do this and an app for PPC called Pocket Guard that comes close. What I really want is to make it so that my device will not wake unless I press the power button. I just want audible or vibration alerts when the device is off. Any input is greatly appreciated.
I'm confused. Anyway, try Setting->S & Notification -> New email messages
I like the way it behaves with new email - I just get an audible alert and the device does not turn on. I want to setup all other notifications to behave this way including incoming calls. I wouldn't mind pressing the power button before answering a call. There are no notification settings to prevent wake.
All other PDAs I have used turned on when receiving new email. This leads me to believe that there might be a reg hack or something to disable wake with other notifications as well.
Me too. I'm bothered by my pda2k waking up when it's in my pocket (e.g. going in/out of bluetooth car kit range, receiving call, receiving sms). The screen can come on, but the screen and easy-to-bump buttons should remain locked until one of the firm buttons is pushed.
Do the designers actually use these devices?!
The program I mentioned above is actually called ScreenGuard (http://www.pocketmax.net/) and will probably do what you want. It will allow the screen to come on but all buttons and screen are locked. You have to enter a combination of 2 programmable keys to unlock. WM5 beta is available in the support forum. I believe that are still working Hermes support but you can check it out. It didn't fully lock everything when I tried it.
I am not interested in any locking security. Just wanting to keep it from waking when I don't want it to. You also cannot use the power button for ScreenGuard.
Hi,
I've been trying to figure out how to implement the perfect keylock. Currently, I'm not able to find a keylock program/MortScript that does the following:
1. Lock the keypad if phone goes into standby
2. Auto-unlock the keypad if the power button is pressed.
This way, when I power on my phone, it's not locked. But if it's auto-powered on (ie reminder, etc.) then it will be locked.
Hi, I find it interesting that, you can upload scripts please
Greetings and Thanks
Sorry for the English
have you tried S2U2? (Slide to unlock - keylock similar to iPhone's)
Think it does 1) not 2), but I'm not too sure...
it looks cool though
Our device does both points as standard. Problem that it powers itself on and automatically unlocks when for example a call or any notification pops up on the screen.
I agree with hachuah's idea about automatic locking, so I'm looking for application that could:
1. Lock the screen if standby
2. On standby mode. If I tap some part of the screen (some part of screen only to save some batt power), then it would show option to unlock.
3. If I tap, but do nothing or do not unlock, it would goes to standby again.
With above I do not have to push the power button, buttons are easy to be come wear and stay down.
I'm even gladly to pay for someone who's willing to create that kind of application. Or is it already available?
MDCT said:
2. On standby mode. If I tap some part of the screen (some part of screen only to save some batt power), then it would show option to unlock.
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I seriously doubt if that could be archieved by software alone. The touch screen is essentially connected to the LCD power. If the panel is off, the touch screen is off.
Furthermore, it's a all-or-none operation - you just can't have "part" of it on, and ther other part off. I am pretty certain no manufacturer would ever produce such an implementation, even if they could.
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I seriously doubt if that could be archieved by software alone. The touch screen is essentially connected to the LCD power. If the panel is off, the touch screen is off.
Furthermore, it's a all-or-none operation - you just can't have "part" of it on, and ther other part off. I am pretty certain no manufacturer would ever produce such an implementation, even if they could.
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I know that Symbian phone able to do that.
So, basically I could set the timer for the screen to go off. And when the screen off and tap on the screen, it will ask if I want to unlock the screen or not. If not, it will go off again.
So, from what you said, it is impossible to make the screen off but the touch on? It is a hardware issue then. What a sad. Only recently I moved from Symbian to WM, if only WM doesn't rely on button too much.
Or maybe it is possible by set the brightness to very minimal, so doesn't display anything, but the touch is still working?
So, it's an application that would turn the brightness off and lock after some defined time. And would turn the brightness on again when the touchscreen is tapped to ask if user want to unlock.
Is it possible?
Perhaps I should clarify what I said - what I meant by "all or none" operation is that the *touch screen* won't be able to get switched on partially - to save power as you have hoped.
In fact, the touch screen is technically separated from the LCD panel itself, and the backlite too - but it's either a MS or HTC decision that they are stuck together, i.e. you just can't have the LCD off, with the touch screen stays on.
In fact, recent HTC devices WM5 or above have elmininated the function to actually turn off the backlight while the LCD panel is on.
So what we can do is very much limited to use a button based keylock, instead of a touch screen based.
As for your suggestion to display "black" on screen while keeping minimal backlight - it's note quite practical in HTC devices. First the backlight must be on as I said earlier for it to display even "black" such that the touch screen is responsive. It follows that your battery will be drained extremely quickly.
Even with very small power to LCD for the touch could work still takes too much power? Aww.. so it is not possible to do what I want.
Well, I guess I need to get used to with using button, or maybe next time I will try to use bluetooth device to wake the screen.
Thank you for the information, very educating and useful.
hachuah said:
Hi,
I've been trying to figure out how to implement the perfect keylock. Currently, I'm not able to find a keylock program/MortScript that does the following:
1. Lock the keypad if phone goes into standby
2. Auto-unlock the keypad if the power button is pressed.
This way, when I power on my phone, it's not locked. But if it's auto-powered on (ie reminder, etc.) then it will be locked.
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try either of these, i think they might both do what you want
So I've got the problem where when my phone is off/standby I don't get a notification or alert until I turn the phone on at which point it plays the standard alert and vibrate (this is of course useless).
Playing around and I noticed that this problem goes away when I uncheck the setting 'Turn device off after X mins'.
Now, at first I assume that there were 3 modes on the HD (and presumably on all htc phones) and they are: Power off, standby, on. Those states seem self explanitory. Give that assumption, I always thought that there was just a problem with the sms program doing a notification.
With this new solution, ie, disabling auto turn off, all my text messages come through with a notification within 6 seconds of sending it on the other end. But I played around with it some more. Some of you may know of a program called psshutxp. This program can do three things: display off, turn off, and reset. Now I never used this turn off feature before because I assumed it just turned the phone off. I activated this function with the auto turn off setting disabled (the phone doesn't auto turn off) and end up not receiving messages (exactly like the original problem).
What I've concluded then is that the device actually has 4 states: Power off, standby, display off, on. Now if you read the whole thing you may have noticed that I'm implying the solution is to disable auto off and thus leave the device in what would appear to be 'display off' mode. It works, certainly, but I'm starting to think that battery life is going to suffer immensely. (I'm going to test this tonight)
It seems we're back to square one, but wth a little, and albiet minor conclusion: SMS messages should wake the device but leave the screen off. There have been some intermediate solutions that say to change the 'disable device wake on sms' registry from 1 to 0 or use HD tweak to achieve a similar effect then combine this change with a good screen locker.
My question then is, is it possible to wake the device but leave the screen off via registry or via resident program?
Investigating the resident program option some more, is it possible to run compact framework programs while the device is in standby?
Finally, I know that the Touch Diamond 2 had a recent hotfix for this exact issue. Considering the similarities between the two devices, is it possible to port a solution? I'm going to see if I can try it out myself (but I'm not as experienced at platform modifications as I am in software development). I also noticed that a lot of Diamond 2 users still report the problem wasn't solved with that hotfix.
check out the HD Tweak app, i think it has a "wake on SMS" tweak you can apply to the phone. would also help if you mention if you're using a Stock or custom ROM. in my case, i'm using a custom ROM with SMS Chat and i'm gettting SMS notifications with my device in stand-by mode. fyi, i'm not using the HD Tweak app...
Yeah, the Wake on SMS on HD tweak as mentioned in my post basically modifies the registry for device wake on SMS.
However, this is not, and should not be normal behaviour as waking the device turns the screen on as well. (unless your device is different in that it doesn't turn on the screen at the same time as waking up from a SMS, if this is the case, then... that's a pretty significant finding.)
just tested my device... screen is off (e.g., hit the power button to turn it off) sent myself a txt via my email account, heard the SMS notification and screen is still off. i'm using a custom ROM miri v26.2.
I can achieve the same effect by disabling auto turn off. As in: my device remains off and the SMS notification is properly sounded. (everything works as it should)
However, I worry that the device isn't actually in standby and rather just has the display off (which means that background apps are still running). A possible concequence could be that it would drain my batt pretty fast ( this is my cheif concern).
Hi,
I think there is a problem that with all the knowledge of genius like the TouchInCall-team, the Sleep-team and HW Tweakers could be solved.
Backlight is not completely shut off when locking. This has consequences like:
1. consuming valuabe batterypower
2. giving too much light in my bedroom at night (need a good rest )
3. when using the timed backlight shut off (or the powerbutton) you have to use the powerbutton to switch on the light again. (I love this wonderful apparatus too much to worn out this button within a short period)
So here is my request
Has anyone a brilliant idea to automatically switch off the backlight when locking and switching on when unlocking
Alternative a separate un(locking) tool and a backlight on/off tool could maybe be together designated to a "hardware" button (by AEBplus)
Thanks
ditroy said:
Hi,
I think there is a problem that with all the knowledge of genius like the TouchInCall-team, the Sleep-team and HW Tweakers could be solved.
Backlight is not completely shut off when locking. This has consequences like:
1. consuming valuabe batterypower
2. giving too much light in my bedroom at night (need a good rest )
3. when using the timed backlight shut off (or the powerbutton) you have to use the powerbutton to switch on the light again. (I love this wonderful apparatus too much to worn out this button within a short period)
So here is my request
Has anyone a brilliant idea to automatically switch off the backlight when locking and switching on when unlocking
Alternative a separate un(locking) tool and a backlight on/off tool could maybe be together designated to a "hardware" button (by AEBplus)
Thanks
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A lot of people like to have their devices locked as a safety precaution preventing others from using your phone (especially with code required to unlock), but they still want device on to view any missed calls, sms, voicemail etc.
one touch away
Hi,
I think you mean a bit of light makes it possible to still read the screen?
For all clarity: my goal is not a password locking facility. I was referring to the standard locking facility that can be activated by a long press on the hangup button.
It is all a matter of choice of what one finds the most important:
1. one touch of a "hardware"button to switch on backlight (as in the standard locking facility) to make the screen readable
or
2. keeping the backlight always on and worning out battery, powerbutton and nightrest
Too me nr. 1 has only advantages and nr. 2 only disadvantages
So it would be great (and I guess not only to me) if this could be worked out.
Thanks
Please bear with me as this may be a dumb newbie question. I searched every post on the Imagio section here and at PPC and was unable to find an answer.
Got the Imagio for my wife and she's loving it (we had Storms previously- bad, bad mojo). She uses Groovefish to stream music and the stock dimmer setting will shut down the player after the time limit is reached. No problem, right? Changed the setting to stop this (never auto shut down on battery power).
Now, the screen will dim somewhat when left idle, but never shuts down all the way. It's dim but still active. She's been having to change the setting every time in order to not kill the battery.
Should the screen power down all the way while leaving the device active (like hitting the "shut off screen option" after holding the end button)? If not, is there a way to do this?
Thanks for any insight you may be able to provide. I've done nothing but Blackberries for years and this is my first real foray into WinMo.
Try to check the power settings. Go to the Settings Tab and push All settings at the bottom. From there go to System > Power > then click the Advanced tab. That should have settings to turn off the screen after 1 min or 30 seconds.
Thanks for the quick reply. I probably should have been a bit more clear.
It is in that menu that I have been manipulating the settings. There are two options for battery power. There is one to "turn off backlight" after x amount of time, the other is to "turn off device". With backlight set to 30 (or whatever) and device disabled, the screen never completely goes off.
It functions properly with "turn device off" enabled, but interrupts Groovefish when playing. This does not interfere with the native TF3D media player. While its not the end of the world if she ends up having to change that setting to use the program, it would be nice to be able to disable the screen with a partial shutdown (and extra battery drain when using that application).
Cheers!
Thats interesting, seems like its the program thats doing that. I have Opera, FM radio, email client, etc. running all day without it crashing. I have seen this before with Internet Explorer where i would leave it running connected to a website. then when i check back IE is gone and i have to start it again. By any chances is this a website or an installable app that you are using?
Groovefish is a streaming music client that is installed on the device
BTW, it is incredibly cool if you don't have it yet. Stream just about any song you want for free (legally).
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=88505
I use g-trigger to shake my phone to turn off the display works great! Just disable the shake to turn it back on.
I'll give it a shot and see if the application stays running. Many thanks!
Actually I think backlight off is happening when it "dims". You need the screen to go off, not just the backlight. Try using xdaShutdown to go into Lightsout mode and see if that works for you. The program can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=544016
Skins in the same thread as well.