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The best thing about Opera for me is the tabs, which is a godsend for GPRS usage. However due to the lastest version of Opera being a buggy piece of crap (worse than the beta imo), i am forced to use IE again.
I remember reading something about a program that added tabbed browsing to IE, but have forgotten what it's called. Does anyone have any idea's?
PIEPlus 2.0
are you using any other programs on the background?
Opera final has been very stable for me, it does not lock up when loading pages like the beta, doesnt have the landscape change mode bug as well.. Double spacing bug is also gone... The rendering is simply amazing and comes close to my desktop version of firefox easily! :shock:
I got my device overclocked, though (240mhz), and i dont have much else installed like themes memory-hogging apps like wisbar advance 2.
I used it for 2 days almost all the time and i was so impressed i didnt even wait for the trial to run out, i already bought it. Very very impressed with it.
spb pocket plus does it and a lot of other stuff
ftxbrowser is a free pie addon with tabs - see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=44177&highlight=
a bit old but still works and you dont have that annoying keyboard popup problem!
zeuzinn said:
are you using any other programs on the background?
Opera final has been very stable for me, it does not lock up when loading pages like the beta, doesnt have the landscape change mode bug as well.. Double spacing bug is also gone... The rendering is simply amazing and comes close to my desktop version of firefox easily! :shock:
I got my device overclocked, though (240mhz), and i dont have much else installed like themes memory-hogging apps like wisbar advance 2.
I used it for 2 days almost all the time and i was so impressed i didnt even wait for the trial to run out, i already bought it. Very very impressed with it.
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No, nothing else running. Takes 30+ seconds to load up and then constantly freezes on pages for a few seconds or just crashs. I'm not the only one either. Shame, because it does render pages much quicker than IE and copes with java better too
MultiIE v4.0.d71
MultiIE v4.0.d71 does a nice job.
http://www.multiie.info/
Hey, I was just wondering what you guys thought the best WM6 browser was. I'm currently running Picsel and besides the long page load times, it's going great. It also eats up an unhealthy amount of memory so I was wondering if anyone managed to expand the system memory. I've heard mixed opinions about different Opera versions as well as Webby so any experienced reviews on those would be awesome as well. Of course Deepfish is great but still can't get my hands on it, so oh well.
im running opera mobile 9.5 and love it, havent had a memory problem yet, and rite now there isnt a way to expand memory w/o taking the device apart
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im running opera mobile 9.5 and love it, havent had a memory problem yet, and rite now there isnt a way to expand memory w/o taking the device apart
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i tried 9.5 and it sucks on m ogul icons are so big i liked the older version
much better
opera 9.5 renders nicely, but it is slow and as the previous poster said; most icons and menu options don't work (as it's made for a VGA device).
I'd stay with Opera 8.5 which works very nicely.
im using skyfire and its been working great. havent run out of memory yet while using it. and it supports flashlite 3 so it fully works with things like youtube
Y'all must have the wrong version of Opera 9.5. There's plenty of post about it. There's a QVGA cab made, the works just fine on the Mogul.
I too use Skyfire, and it seems like the best option for pages with animation, video, sound, flash, etc.
Opera, is very nice though. I wish, it played flash and stuff like Skyfire.
I'm running both Skyfire and Netfront v3.5. Netfront seems to be a little quicker, though skyfire works pretty well, just takes some time to render the different zoom levels.
Going to have to try the latest versions of opera mini/mobile since I haven't used them in a while.
Using Skyfire and Netfront 3.5. Skyfire is great for multimedia, but doesn't seem to handle downloads yet, while Netfront 3.5 is great at downloading but is pretty disabled because it's still in the technical preview phase...I do want to try the camera-based navigation when it launches though! Haven't tried Opera in a long time.
Where do you find this Skyfire?
you have to be on a waiting list for skyfire. go to their website, skyfire.com, and you can sign up, but ive been waiting for months and havent received my invite yet. itll be a while but sign up now.
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i tried 9.5 and it sucks on m ogul icons are so big i liked the older version
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you must have tried the vga version, i have the qvga and its quick and looks greaT!!
so far ive used the majoity of the versions of Opera ad i must say that the 9.5 is working great. there are a few problems but they r minor and b fixed w a few taps. as for Skyfire...i just signed up back in early april so i dont expect to get my invite for another couple months since there r ppl on here saying that theyve signed up months and months ago. btw, ive heard rumors of a web browser called "Re-vmp'd". its supposed to be an almost exact duplicate of the 3G iphone browser...no sure how accurate that info is but its worth a shot.
L8rz,
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The ipone uses a mobile version of Safari. it works well, but doesn't have flash support, so hopefully they added that in with the version that ships with the 3g iphone.
Skyfire doesn't render jack. It just pushes pre-rendered images to your phone; the faster your internet the faster skyfire is. (Also consider their server speeds etc)
I'm also pretty sure flash works the same way, it's just streaming video/audio. At least this is the feel I got based on average latencies of either technology.
It does burn ~9mb of ram though, but remains fairly constant there. It may use less on the release version after they switch out of debugging releases.
I use Safari. there is an open source port of it availale on sourceforge.net made for wm5/6
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you have to be on a waiting list for skyfire. go to their website, skyfire.com, and you can sign up, but ive been waiting for months and havent received my invite yet. itll be a while but sign up now.
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"waiting list"? lol....i got it from softpedia.com (freeware download). totally legal, and publicly available. (see attachment)
crobs808 said:
"waiting list"? lol....i got it from softpedia.com (freeware download). totally legal, and publicly available. (see attachment)
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im curious, what username and password are you using to log into the the skyfire browser. that is of course, assuming that your leet googling skills have allowed you to realize that the skyfire browser, even the one linked, is a closed beta, only available to beta testers. yes, you can download it, no you cant use it...
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im curious, what username and password are you using to log into the the skyfire browser. that is of course, assuming that your leet googling skills have allowed you to realize that the skyfire browser, even the one linked, is a closed beta, only available to beta testers. yes, you can download it, no you cant use it...
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if you signed up on their site a month or two ago, you can use the login credentials you provided then. if you didnt sign up for the beta, then yeah, you are right, the CAB is useless to you. i logged in with the credentials i supplied 3 months ago, im using it. nothing to write home about. crashes when i go to any site that has an animated GIF, lol...great browser.
As funny as this sounds I have tried many of the programs previously listed. I am back to using PIE! Not without some additional programs though.
I have a program called MultiIE that enhances PIE to allow much more in the way of options. Best about this program is that it adds TABBED browsing to PIE! And yes it works but EATS memory like candy. Downside is that its not free.
I also swear by TCPMP & FlashVideoBundle. While not full flash will at least work on YouTube and several other select sites. Best about these is the ability to download & save any YouTube videos you want.
These programs ONLY work with PIE. That's why I've stuck with it.
Yea still
There is no browser that is capable as skyfire, supports flash 7, 8, and 9. Browses faster than piscel, ie, netfront. Smoothest page navigation by far. It just lacks a few features, but keep in mind it is a beta. But I wouldn't trade it for all the other browsers. If I didn't have skyfire I would settle for netfront but it seems to eat crazy ram. You have to close it before phone is fully functional again.
For those of you fortunate enough to be beta testing Skyfire, I just found out that they released an updated beta. It is a lot quicker, gives you an option to make Skyfire your default browser, and has an option to install a start screen search box.
The new version also adds Flash to Windows Mobile. Haven't played around a lot with it yet, but looks promising. Looks like they are listening to everybody's comments/complaints.
Downloading it as we speak, I'll let you all know as soon as I run it through afew tests. Lord knows it needs a speed increase. the load times were silly.
Edit: Hmmm, seems my download link + sms link I got are still to the Skyfire_6843_PPC50.CAB link. Do not see or have access to the 0.8 beta.
EDIT EDIT: Wow I am stupid. That is the 0.8 beta. Running it now. lol i'll give feedback shortly.
WooHoo thanx for the info!
Awesome, thanks for the heads-up!
thx... installed it
Well after 8 hours and they finally fixed the authentication server error I have been able to use it. For those curious 0.8 does have a vast improvement in the speed and usage factor for the browser. I do like the way it runs however I have to admit that the scrolling and zooming feels clunky and just not very fluid. However this opinion is based off of using Opera 9.5 beta and it's functionality.
It has greatly improved in the browsing used with it and having flash working now is a very nice addition. But I still prefer Opera based despite the annoying out of memory error that pops up occasionally mainly due to the appearance and fluid browsing capability.
I do however look forward to a finished product as I am more then sure these issues will be addressed. Good chance they'll get my money for a purchase
scrolling still needs work. I get the checkers at the bottom. also, I notice a huge memory leak when using it. I Need to soft reset.
Improved interface but still VERY slow. IMO, not worth it until they deal with the speed issue, which has been there from the start.
I'm not sure what exactly happened today, but I uninstalled 0.6, installed Skyfire 0.8 this morning and put the phone in my pocket. About 2.5 hrs later I noticed that my pocket was a little warm. I pulled out my phone, noticed that my data connection was active and my nearly full battery had about 15% remaining life! I did a soft reset and the phone cooled down to normal again. Anyone else have this happen? I don't want to use Skyfire if it is causing my connection to stay on and my battery to die.
I'm amazed that you got 2.5 hours -- I was down to 50% in about 40 minutes of moderate use -- this app currently still eats battery... My biggest gripe followed by the delays/unreliable bookmarking in the app... The bookmarks ultimately work, but it may be the next day before they show up again after being "gone"...
It has new features and is better looking but ultimately it is unusable. The previous version was stable, this thing just lags, hangs and won't quit. I find myself having to terminate its process and/or soft boot or it will run in the background and obliterate battery life. At least for the Mogul, this update has been a big step backward. Maybe more RAM would help things?. I wish Opera would get a decent hardware keyboard capable non diamond v9 product out. Opera mini has a good feel, but is the worst of the bunch with memory usage (at least until Skyfire .08) and no downloads, Opera 8.65 feels ancient and ie is a very sad joke of a browser. Right now, I have 4 browsers on my phone and none are even close to being acceptable as my main browser, not to mention light years from Safari on the iPhone.
can't wait for VGA version.
First of all, Skyfire is a great product with real potential to be the hands down best mobile browser.
Some observations on 0.8:
I like the fact that text entry is now done in the input field (saves the step of pressing "ok".
Video playback has been improved.
FILE DOWNLOADS work!! One less reason to swap back and forth to IE.
The main thing I do not like is the zoom "improvement". It's cool that it tries to decide for me what to zoom into, but I miss being able to size the zoom box to exactly what I want.
Thank you and keep up the great work.
having to flick between 4 different browsers on my phone as not one of thems really any good....
opera 10: looks nice and sharp, quick but is well and truely let down with the default screen image size and zoom options, no pinch to zoom and vids wont play.....useless
opera 9.7: looks good with nice default screen size. has pinch to zoom but is pretty dreadfull to use, you do the finger motion and you end up nowhere near where you need to be. again, vids wont play.....useless
skyfire: looks ok but its pretty jittery and nowhere near as fast as opera. no pinch to zoom and the zooming options are nothing to write about but at least it plays vids.
ie: hardly ever use this one as its so slow.
appart from browsing i think the phone is pretty sweet, its just a real shame using the internet is (for me) becoming a pain. whats your thoughts guys....?
I think Opera Mobile is amazing. I couldn't fault it in any way. Why does everyone complain about no pinch to zoom when a swift double tap works better.
with Opera 10 you only have to tap once to zoom in!
its so smooth, the scrolling is as smooth as butter and its so fast.
sure not playing flash is a pain, but its not essential, especially if youre complaning that you cant watch youtube on your browser when youve got an app for just that
Opera is gorgeous, fast, so fast... and completely flawless.
I'm using the 9.7 build that comes standard on the T-Mobile USA model. I also tweaked tons of the Opera cache settings, page loading, thumbnail, and zooming functions as well.
I think your alone on this one bud.
opera is badass by its self. opera 10 is freakin sweet.
btw ... why so many complaints about a sweet ass phone?
each to their own bud. its just a useful feature. on opera 10, when i tap to zoom its still sometimes hard to hit links or page numbers as it still too small. altering the zoom is hit an miss as if you make the zoom bigger it ends up too large for the screen. if i had pinch to zoom could make links and what not just a bit bigger.
i dont like the fact i cant play youtube vids on opera either, my phone from 3 years ago could do it........
opera 10 runs very slick but has major flaws, just my opinion.
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Opera is gorgeous, fast, so fast... and completely flawless.
I'm using the 9.7 build that comes standard on the T-Mobile USA model. I also tweaked tons of the Opera cache settings, page loading, thumbnail, and zooming functions as well.
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can you say what you have done tweak wise? i never seem to get a browsing experience to match my mates iphone...which im sure you can understand is annoying
IE seems pretty damn fast to me. I accidentally made it default and was shocked at how usable it was.
Opera 9.7 - not jittery, but i never use the pinch to zoom...ever. but I do use it because it launches and runs more snappily for a quick browse. it's lighter in resources.
Mobile 10 - my default. it takes longer to load than 9.7 and no pinch, but flash plugin works, double tap to zoom with reflow usually works. rendering good. fast, speedy. and page rendering without checkered boxes as in 9.7 or IE. Fab. Not perfect, but pretty damn good.
Never even needed to install skyfire after mobile10.
Why not try iphone instead? Or Android? I hear their browsers are even better
Just remember, technology is always work in progress. No browser, even on the desktop, is perfect. And I'm surprised they ALL work as well as they do on winmo - browsing is better on winmo than iphone and android. That was one reason that swayed me to winmo.
What do you suppose the better alternative is?
The iPhone browser?
I have an iPhone and its browser has nothing on Opera 10...even with pinch to zoom.
At least you have options. Flash isn't even an option on the iPhone!
I guess that I'm in the minority but I like IE best. The zoom on the Opera just isn't as easy to use as IE's slider control but maybe I just havn't used Opera enough. I also have an iPhone 3GS and while I like the browser and touchscreen response better, in every other category the HD2 wins hands down.
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having to flick between 4 different browsers on my phone as not one of thems really any good....
opera 10: looks nice and sharp, quick but is well and truely let down with the default screen image size and zoom options, no pinch to zoom and vids wont play.....useless
opera 9.7: looks good with nice default screen size. has pinch to zoom but is pretty dreadfull to use, you do the finger motion and you end up nowhere near where you need to be. again, vids wont play.....useless
skyfire: looks ok but its pretty jittery and nowhere near as fast as opera. no pinch to zoom and the zooming options are nothing to write about but at least it plays vids.
ie: hardly ever use this one as its so slow.
appart from browsing i think the phone is pretty sweet, its just a real shame using the internet is (for me) becoming a pain. whats your thoughts guys....?
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are you using the Latest Stock WWE 1.66 ROM
Opera Browsing here is second to none!
Maybe Opera Mini 5 is a good choice for you. Blazing fast, though no flash.
BTW: Opera Mobile 10 does support flash: settings - enable plugins - ready and IE also, to a certain extent, supports flash.
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are you using the Latest Stock WWE 1.66 ROM
Opera Browsing here is second to none!
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yeah im using the latest rom bud. dont get me wrong, opera 10 is very fast and slick but just seems set up wrong for the screen size.if there was a zoom slider like in ie that would be sound enough. as it is, opera10 seems unfinished. also, not been able to view embedded videos on most sites is just complete madness. I know some people are saying "well hd2 already has a decent youtube app, use that", but what goods that when the video I might wanna watch is embedded in a page that wont allow me to view it....?. it all just seems like such a wasted opportunity on such a quality device. its the phones biggest downfall which is mad given this screen was made for viewing the internet on.......
IE is the only one (other than skyfire but that looks rubbish) that plays flash videos on site like bbc news, so I'm always switching between using Opera 10 for speed and IE for video.
Count yourself lucky that you can install whatever browser you want on WM, Apple still hasnt approved Opera mini on the ****phone
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IE is the only one (other than skyfire but that looks rubbish) that plays flash videos on site like bbc news, so I'm always switching between using Opera 10 for speed and IE for video.
Count yourself lucky that you can install whatever browser you want on WM, Apple still hasnt approved Opera mini on the ****phone
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yeah its pretty good that you can install other browsers, its just a pity the fastest and best looking one doesn't function that well. hey, these are just my opinions guys and im happy your happy with it lol.......
Is there anyway to have Opera 10 use the Tilt 2 (Stock ATT ROM) use the Zoom bar to zoom?
Also, Opera 9.5 (Stock ROM) is always loaded in the background so it loads fast, I like this. Is there an easy way to make it always load Opera 10 in the background instead of stock 9.5?
There's no way in Opera 10 to zoom using the zoom bar, 10's not built to use it, and that functionality may never be available. I would sugggest checking out the zoom bar multi-function software listed in the "software worth having on tp2" thread in this forum. Maybe a later update of this software will be able to provide this functionality, but its worth having it the way it is now. As for keeping Opera 10 loaded in memory all the time, honestly I dont know. Gotta feeling it'd use up alot of ram all the time when ur not using it though. I guess the load time never really bothered me, and I use Sense 2.5 and a lotta other crap too, so I wouldnt be able to afford that much memory for something I wasnt using
maybe try putting the opera startup or whatever that thing is in the the startup folder in windows. maybe? idk if i'm not good with all the technical lingo.
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Is there anyway to have Opera 10 use the Tilt 2 (Stock ATT ROM) use the Zoom bar to zoom?
Also, Opera 9.5 (Stock ROM) is always loaded in the background so it loads fast, I like this. Is there an easy way to make it always load Opera 10 in the background instead of stock 9.5?
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You might check out, read through, post in the "All Opera Mobile/Mini versions: Official thread"
i wish the zoom bar would work again. i hate the 2 level zoom. the back button no longer works either in 10 like it did in 10 beta. i think ill post in that thread to see if anyone can get it to.
Thanks McBrain. While that thread did not help with Zoom, it taught me how to enable auto rotate which is nice.