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Piracy Crackdown!

Anybody else received this?? I'm assuming this is going out to all members of their forum and thought I would post it here.
Hmmm... I can foresee servers crashing from the massive flow of posts from people crying about all their bricked PPC's.
From: Pocket PC Live! [[email protected]]
ATTN: Piracy users
It has come to our attention that our software has been cracked just like every other software. We take this issues very seriously.
If you are NOT using the pirated version, you can skip this mail to save your time. or if you want to know more about our brains, keep reading..
We are teaming up with many developers to implement a module in our softwares that will cross check our applications for pirated versions in your device. For example: Software1 checks for Software2' pirated version and for exchange software2 checks for software1. If a pirated version has been detected, the module will force the device to Bootloader mode and makes it not to return for ever! We have made it in a way that the module functions in a separate thread and so there will be no slow-ing of device during the check process and the complete check process takes just less than 2 secs benchmarked on a standard 416Mhz Intel Xscale processor. This check might also be skipped as well by the crackers, but they first need to know which application checks for which and unfortunately those details will definitely be kept confidential by us(developers).
SO if you are using pirated versions, delete them before you loose your $400 device on spaing a few 10$. we will not be responsible if the device gets forced to Bootloader and turned to a heavy brick! You cannot even re-flash the device We have taken every step in the module to not disturb the safe versions and detect the pirated versions alone perfectly! Its rather a simple and easy process though.
This technology has been developed by CartyStudios, Inc. and is getting good view and publicity for us among the developer's world. Very soon every software going to implement this modules of exchange check technology. Pirated users, face the end very soon!
*Exchange Check Technology - Copyright CartyStudios Inc. | *Patents pending
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Sounds awesome.
I can't wait to sue them like how Sony was sued over their DRM/CD fiasco that could "crash" a computer.
Ah, it's great to be an American. We'll sue everyone. lol

this is _INSANITY_
No developer in their right mind would do something like that.
1. this is illegal to do.
2. what if the software error occured and someone got into this trouble by mistake in software/ error/ etc
3. people who use pirated software would never buy legitimate copy anyway. so they are immediatelly discounted.
4. one should understand that if developer is ready to destroy someone's property to protect his own copyrighted material, deserves the worst. bottom line is: this is not likely to be the case.

SecureGSM said:
this is _INSANITY_
No developer in their right mind would do something like that.
1. this is illegal to do.
2. what if the software error occured and someone got into this trouble by mistake in software/ error/ etc
3. people who use pirated software would never buy legitimate copy anyway. so they are immediatelly discounted.
4. one should understand that if developer is ready to destroy someone's property to protect his own copyrighted material, deserves the worst. bottom line is: this is not likely to be the case.
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Gee, wonder what will become of the world, if everyone starts taking justice into their own hands.

Sounds like a scare tactic.. they would get sued pretty fast. What if it wrongly detects a pirated copy? There was a developer who did something like this before, and he was stopped pretty fast.

Maybe in Europe or America, where most of the people using Original software...but not in Thailand/indonesia/and china , where 70% people still using pirated software.. :
BTW no offense to ppl who are staying there, i just pointing to BSA finding ....
thanks

I think the whole announcement is strange:
1) If you do go to such length to protect your software, why would you want to tell the whole world how you do it. For a good hacker the knowledge that the protection runs in different thread and messes with the device is sufficient to find and crack it, and the fact that different software check each other doesn't matter. (Just another clue what to look for).
2) This would be useless if someone uses only one pirated software. Who will check it?
3) This is next to impossible to implement. To prevent reflashing you need to corrupt the bootloader and this is different for every device. Still, theoretically possible but this is more work than MS puts in to windows protection (and for a 10$ piece of software???)
4) If I were considering buying their product I definitely wouldn't after reading this announcement. What user in their right mind would pay for something that due to an error could kill his device?
No I am not in support of piracy, and I think that anyone who uses cracked software basically makes a choice to risk destruction of his equipment be it from viruses or protection module.
Any way I suspect they dug their own whole with this so if this is true it won't be around for long.

It's impossible they think all this seriously. They will get sued really hard.
See the following three threads on a simlar case:
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=37285
http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=212006
http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=212067

The degree of piracy protection depends on the amount of work the author puts in or on his intelligence. Resorting to this just shows a lack in one of those areas.

Great, a breakdown handphone is a good excuse to buy another new phone! ;-)
This will get those guys to be sue if their software has bug especially those without warning on their web and during installation (legally the developers must provide warning) especially in Europe & US. They will be sue to their pants drop. The developers will pay a bomb for the protection technology and collect peanuts from their software (as no body will buy) and pay hell of legal fee when sue. Commercially does not sounds good.
Of course piracy is wrong.
I think a better way is to just delete the pirated software used, not the whole PPC software. This will be Win-Win situation and commercially more feasible. Delete the whole PPC software is action same as people who writes Virus, exactly no difference.
A good example is one of my Legal software, which on the web say able to upgrade with the old Code, but unfortunately when my Code is keyed, it still say "Unregistered Version". A quick check via email with their technical support, the same answer that I old version code can be used. Conclusion is I give up the new version and reverse back to my old version.
My 2 cents worth.

I have heard that law enforcement agencies have teamed up with car manufacturers. The built in GPS devices of new cars will autocheck your speed according to TeleAtlas maps and if you exceed the speed limit by more than 10%, the car will selfdestruct. No need to complain about your car being destroyed, because you brought it upon yourself by speeding!
What a bunch of... Don't believe that mail, some jokester is just having a bit of fun, that's all

i think this has just happened due to their software(UTA3) nowadays cracked
it seems like they are trying to make people afraid of

This is bollocks. Carty's software is freely available on IRC.
But every programmer that makes software has to be live to the fact that if it can be run on a CPU, it can be disassembled. If it can be disassembled, it can be reversed.
If any manufacturer warns you that they'll trash your hardware because of piracy, I'll show them the laws of trespass, tort, criminal damage and the various laws enthusiastically enacted across the globe to prevent malicious hacking and criminal damage, even if it is committed by self-appointed vigilante software manufacturers. Patent pending or no.
Class actions a-hoy boys . I'll happily take on your case.
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http://www.boingboing.net/2006/11/22/audio_from_xbox_hack.html
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Yeah total BS.

I keep hearing "piracy is wrong". I just don't belive that. If I was born eating fruit and living in trees I would knock the next monkey over to get the bannana - I was however born into this high tech world where certain tools and information are just as important. Any person smart enough to obtain what they need should do so, its up to the vendor to either prevent it in code or make the product less attractive to hack because of demos, basic versions or versions with some disabled functionality being freely available.
Even if it is moraly wrong, piracy can't be beat. There are millions of geeks/programmers around the world with too much time on their hands and the desire to hack and share.

lol.. monkeys and bannanas.. ROFL

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Lol

I assume this message alone could ruin their business seriously. As they started developing on a magician they might found out a way to destroy the bootloader & maybe from some other devices. But why would I want to install software with such a risk of malfunction anyway, if it were true? To hard-reset it when some thief puts in a different sim as mine?
Maybe we find out the truth about this in the near future, but in the mean time I take pity on them

You know, this thread reminded me of an old Russian saying. It is roughly translated like this:
"Locks are for honest people.", meaning there is nothing that can't be cracked / hacked / broken in to.

levenum, very smart sayng

bogous microsoft letter info

According to tweakers.net (dutch), a very popular and more important, trustworthy Dutch IT website.
XDA-Developers (And thus also Duttythroy.net) breaches intellectual property laws regarding ROM Cooking.
However Microsoft and HTC both agree "We can't live with 'em and we can't live without 'em."
Microsoft will not send take down orders to sites such as XDA-Developers, who offer customized ROMs for windows-mobile telephone.
Some sites offering ROMs based on Windows Mobile 6.5 got take down orders last week. They, However, appeared to be hoax.
“Taking action against sites such as XDA-Developers isn’t a matter of concern for Microsoft” says Maarten Sonneveld of Microsoft Netherlands against tweakers.net. “What happens there, the modifying of ROMs, is illegal. The intellectual property however is not with us. The ROMs are intellectual property of the producers of the phone or the mobile phone providers if it concerns branded telephones. We simple only deliver the OS.”
The biggest producer of Windows Mobile-phones, HTC, also says they don’t have any plans to take action against ROM sites. “What happens there isn’t allowed” says HTC Benelux-CEO Mark Moons,
“But XDA-Developers is the biggest and most active community of Windows Mobile-developers. We can’t live with ‘em and we can’t live without ‘em.”
Last week it seemed there were to come an end to tolerating Windows Mobile-communities.
A certain ‘James Young’ sent emails on behalf of Microsoft to site managers in which he stated that they were sharing illegal content, and summoned them to stop their practices; some site managers, in fact, did this.
It mostly concerned ROMs with betas of Windows Mobile 6.5, the update of Microsoft’s Mobile OS that should appear this summer.
The email of Young appeared, however, to be a hoax.
Microsoft denied against XDA-Developers that the summoning came from them, they also say that the email address is incorrect and that summons such as these always are sent by written letters instead of email. Not so long ago someone with the exact same email address and name sent the same kind of emails to sites that, according to him, placed illegal content for the Xbox. The Pirate Bay also received a message by ‘James Young’ in the past.
Aside from this: a funny fact is that recently Arne, when he still was on our team, contacted Microsoft and HTC concerning this very issue as we were wondering the legal status of sharing ROMs.
He however didn't receive any clear answer even though he called a zillion times and emailed to infinity, twice.
source: translated with google

so, HTC and Microsoft have acknowledged that they can't really stop us as that would pretty much halt independent development for Windows Mobile... i'd say that's a good thing

disillusionment
really microsoft is big company,but in this behaviors it will be smallest in eyes of thier system users and developers.
So small comment to microsoft (go to hell) u did not stop the developing & progression in the world.

Commercial facts
As I understand the info shared by Nemonique...
The matter of bann this develops... is concerned by the brand... but... this makes people buy devices... cause at last... the business is sell devices.. no matter if it has the shipped version X.XXXXXXXXXXXXX or the Last upgrade Y:YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY, it does´t matter they buy the OS original and upload to their devices... the upgrading modding and sharing is responsability of the user... they lost his warranty by unlocking... the business is to sell devices.
I think this ends on summer... so... provide links here is risky... pirate bay has almost closed cause the GUB on swed has told them "if you search on that site we bann you from Internet providers..." so the user at the end is the responsable.

homam_france said:
really microsoft is big company,but in this behaviors it will be smallest in eyes of thier system users and developers.
So small comment to microsoft (go to hell) u did not stop the developing & progression in the world.
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Uhh, I really advise you to read the OP again..
Microsoft is NOT to blame, it was a moron IMPERSONATING MS.
Please refrain from bashing Microsoft, or we will be forced to invoke your right to use a WinMo device and will convict you to use an iPhone
BTW You are free to post ANY ROM (provided they don't contain warez).
They won't be removed (until a true complaint from MS or HTC arrives).
Regards,
EquinoXe

now, i understand more the letter, but did this process is useful for them?they couldn`t stop any one,but only the websites will be the victim.
or there is the enycripitation or the hidden will works,they try to build illegal world by thier legal stuff.
sorry, but it is really disapointed matter.

homam_france said:
now, i understand more the letter, but did this process is useful for them?they couldn`t stop any one,but only the websites will be the victim.
or there is the enycripitation or the hidden will works,they try to build illegal world by thier legal stuff.
sorry, but it is really disapointed matter.
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HTC themselves said it: We can't live with 'em, and we can't live without 'em !
In other words: They're not going to do anything since any Action against this site will seriously harm the Windows Mobile Community.
So, as the-equinoxe said, as long as your ROM does not contain warez, you can post it here, and download the ROMs of others as well without fearing a reprimand for it...

the-equinoxe said:
Uhh, I really advise you to read the OP again..
Microsoft is NOT to blame, it was a moron IMPERSONATING MS.
Please refrain from bashing Microsoft, or we will be forced to invoke your right to use a WinMo device and will convict you to use an iPhone
BTW You are free to post ANY ROM (provided they don't contain warez).
They won't be removed (until a true complaint from MS or HTC arrives).
Regards,
EquinoXe
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So, being this said, why not remove the fake email's posted on Sun_Dream's thread, and perhaps, if there is a way, restore all the info that was deleted, to show appreciation for his work. I think that would be the best way to apologize for the action taken(which at the time was justified based on the unknown/unconfirmed veracity of those emails, and as a precaution to protect XDA), and welcome back Sun_Dream.(not that he was banned, but we all know how uncomfortable he must have felt.

Well i want just to comment the legitimacy of rom modifying. It is illegal but noone cares. Microsoft cares about leaked betas but not too much as you see - they can afford few leaks here and there, but they can not afford to loose such large community of beta tersters and developers (a massive feedback for roms and devices) - and it is for free for them so thats why they do not care. Microsoft takes money for licensing their mobile OS to OEM manifacturers and Operators. One as these OEM manifacturers is HTC, their reason to not care is that forums like xda-developers makes them popular - free advertising - if they cut the rom upgrades and ban rom cooking they risk bad advertising and sales drop, why they should loose money instead of making them ?! Also some other phone manifacturers have turned to WM - SonyEricsson, Samsung (with OMNIA series, the other ones were crap) they feel whats happening and they want a piece of the pie . Why mobile operators do not care ? Well they buy some licenses for their branded devices and in most cases the mnifacturer makes the rom and the operator makes the customization. No one takes measures because in the long run it will harm their profits.
Someone may ask: Why it is illegal i have license for my device? - The license is for one and only one version of Windows mobile + upgrades of the same version. You may upgrade to new WM major version only if your OEM or Operator offer you a upgrade.
So we @ xda-developers make things which operators and OEMs will not do, this makes people happy and Microsoft is happy because of rapid growing popularity of windows mobile (more popularity = more profits), OEM's are happy about the popularity of their devices so everyone is happy
I am really sleepy so please excuse me if i have any typos or misstakes

So, I guess this infamous internet investigator was a hoax after all, huh? I guess it did sound a little far fetched that M$ would hire someone and would give him/her a dumbas$ title like that.
In any case, I completely agree with xplode's statement. M$ doesn't necessarily make much advertising on their WM platforms and equipment manufacturers don't spend that much money on advertising their stuff either. In fact, HTC is just beginning to have some sort of advertising (public kind like TV commercials and such) in the US. I gotta be honest, if it wasn't for this site, I would not know that HTC ever made anything beyond the Wallaby, which BTW I didn't know was manufactured by HTC until I nearly bricked it and found this site.
Just think about this for a second. Think about the number and size of forums and blogs dedicated to WM vs iPhone, Symbian, and BlackBerry. And now compare that to the money spent in advertising of the same devices. More than likely, Apple would top the charts in spending since everyone out there was literally brainwashed by the iPhone's outstanding marketing campaign. The Blackberry has always been out there somewhat competing with WM, but due to the lack of interest of freelance developers out there for these devices, they have had to dump big chunks of cash into advertising.
To put things more into perspective, think about how the announcements by HTC show up in this site right after being made by them. Normally, within a few hours the WM communities will get winds of new devices coming this way... which is, for lack of a better term, free advertising. They create a big expectation among seasoned users and new comers alike. Some of them, even willing to dump large sums of money on the new devices even though theirs are only a few months old. For this same reason, (and once again, I agree with xplode) shutting us (and other communities down) would be like cutting an arm. Plus, they don't pay us, so what's the harm?
Aside from all that, M$ understand that not everyone will have money to upgrade devices as they are released, but if the customer is kept happy, he/she is more likely to be a returning customer when his/her situation allows. So, let them keep their betas and their leaks.
All in all, kudos to M$ and HTC for understanding our role in this game. And as far as James "Jacka$$" Young, go kill yourself... you and people like you are the reason why the internet has a bad rep these days.
EGZ

markanthonypr said:
So, being this said, why not remove the fake email's posted on Sun_Dream's thread, and perhaps, if there is a way, restore all the info that was deleted, to show appreciation for his work. I think that would be the best way to apologize for the action taken(which at the time was justified based on the unknown/unconfirmed veracity of those emails, and as a precaution to protect XDA), and welcome back Sun_Dream.(not that he was banned, but we all know how uncomfortable he must have felt.
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Thanks for bringing this into attention.
As there where many threads "purged" by the site admins (who are the ones who deal with the copyright cases), I have no idea which posts in which threads all need to be restored.
I have seen some of sun_dreams work I and I was impressed (and that is a difficult thing to achieve).
They deserve to be restored. (So I just restored the one containing the letter myself)
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button in the threads to report those threads who have wrongly been purged but not yet repaired, so the mods can repair those threads where possible.
Use a text like "Please restore this 6.5 ROM post which was a victim of the James Young hoax, but was not yet repaired" to let us mods and the admins know why you are reporting a thread.
In regards to these threads, please have some patience, it was a big task to purge them, unpurging is sometimes even more difficult.
Especially for a poor mod
Regarding this thread: I can safely say that your complaints have been heard and are acted upon.
Please report other threads/post regarding the 6.5 ROMs using the above mentioned method so all the mods and the admins are notified, not only the few who read this thread.
That is why I close this thread: to make sure that every report get it's fair hearing, and not only by the few who read this thread.
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How do we get HTC to release the EVO source code faster?

Any suggestions as to the best way to harass HTC into releasing the EVO source code quicker?
Send them e-mails or phone calls? Call Sprint and ask for it?
Can we do something like the campaign we tried for the FPS issue?
Thanks.
Per zonyl on page 2:
I managed to get Linux source for the Sharp Zaurus within a week and a half and Im sure following the same playbook will speed up the process with HTC as well. Hopefully I will have some time next week to do this, but the more the merrier! The more people call and contact legal the more attention it will get.
The plan:
- Call HTC corporate
HTC America
13920 SE Eastgate Way, Suite 400
Bellevue, Washington 98005
Tel: 425-679-5318
- Ask for representative in Legal Department (Tell them it is regarding potential litigation)
- Get legal representative's contact information before or immediately after being transferred.
- Politely ask for disclosure of GPL/Linux source code per section 3 of the GPL for the device they manufactured and that you purchased. (You may need to explain a little as they generally have no idea what this is. Doesnt matter much though as they still wont understand but make sure you explain its something that their engineering folks are liable for)
- Give them the GPL (by fax) http://www.linux.org/info/gnu.html The license is even on the phone itself (Menu->Settings->About Phone->Legal Information->Open Source). Scroll down and you will see the linux kernel GPL
- Give them a written request (by fax) "Dear Sir or Madam, ..... Requesting Source for my product in compliance with GPL Section 3-a ... Thank you...."
- They will tell you they need some time to figure it out.... Give them about a week and call back (they will try to ignore you on the first call in hopes you go away)
- Call back using the representatives contact info. Ask them for the status.
- If they are stalling ask for the legal address to list as a defendant on a lawsuit for breach of contract and will be demanding "An Order of Specific Performance" to release the code. (BE POLITE! BUT FIRM) (This will definitely get their attention!)
- Wait a few days. Someone from engineering with a foreign accent will call you with information on when / where the source will be released.
- If this doesnt get anywhere, we can talk about the process of starting a lawsuit without paying lawyer. When HTC is served legal papers for discovery, Im pretty sure they will comply.
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lolz mclollerson said:
Any suggestions as to the best way to harass HTC into releasing the EVO source code quicker?
Send them e-mails or phone calls? Call Sprint and ask for it?
Can we do something like the campaign we tried for the FPS issue?
Thanks.
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It seems no amount of begging ever makes them release code faster. Even legal threats failed before (not for the Evo, but its the same thing)
They know they have to release it by this point. They will do it, but on their own schedule. Pushing them to do it sooner hasn't gotten us anywhere before & I don't see it helping here either.

Damn, that's pretty disappointing.
Thanks for the heads up. :-/

I was actually talking to a guy from HTC earlier today about releasing the source. He told me that they will release it but he does not know when.

gman8966 said:
I was actually talking to a guy from HTC earlier today about releasing the source. He told me that they will release it but he does not know when.
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Information content of this mesage: 0%.
Of course they will release it, the GPL requires them to do so. But then again they are already violating it every day they don't release it, so maybe they will just say f*ck it.

Bring a class action suit if you're really worried about it, you won't make any $, lawyer will get rich -- but maybe, just maybe it will hit HTC hard enough to realize they can't jerk the Open Source Community around and they are bound by the same laws as everyone else.

midri said:
Bring a class action suit if you're really worried about it, you won't make any $, lawyer will get rich -- but maybe, just maybe it will hit HTC hard enough to realize they can't jerk the Open Source Community around and they are bound by the same laws as everyone else.
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Why do people always come up with this?
You have no standing to sue anyone over this. Copyright holders in the Linux kernel, *they* have standing to sue someone over this.
The GPL says they have to make the source available, but it's not for you to use legal means to force them to do it.
Class action? Who's the affected class? The people who bought the Evo? Not hardly.

A class action that will hurt HTC? make them reconsider releasing Android phones? you might get a short term benefit of getting source code (well, not really, since the law suit will take longer) but in the long term, the Android community will just lose one of it's biggest supporters

I really think sprint is to blame for this you notice all of the source is availed for just about every other phone except the .29 heroc kernel and the evo kernel makes ya wonder if they are playing a part

If the source isn't out by my 30 days (7/6), it's going back. There's no excuse for being so cavalier with copyrights. Ironic considering they just launched a legal campaign against Shipped ROMs.

What we need is for a high profile e-zine to write an article.
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What we need is for HTC to stop acting like Apple just because they finally have a phone that can compete with the iPhone. I don't care if this damn thing files my taxes and makes breakfast for me, if they can't respect the GPL they sure as hell aren't going to keep a cent of my money.

I've contacted HTC and Sprint... not luck... you can search my posts if you really want to read the responses.... I even contacted the FSF (I think they are the copyright holders for Linux Kernel for Linus) and no response from them... so eh yeah we just wait

Apparently you didnt have a Hero. The only thing you can do is wait...

What we really need to do is to start a twitter bombarding campaign like the Sprint hero users did. It took a bit, but it did work.

troyboytn said:
What we really need to do is to start a twitter bombarding campaign like the Sprint hero users did. It took a bit, but it did work.
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+1 for this

How long did it take for the Hero's source to be released?

caryroberts1 said:
How long did it take for the Hero's source to be released?
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3+ Months...Phone dropped in October, source came out in January.

PikkonX said:
3+ Months...Phone dropped in October, source came out in January.
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That just makes me even more angry.

I have obtained some super secretive information that can help us get the edge. Through hours of undercover work and social engineering I have discovered that the HTC Engineers are partial to Ben & Jerry's Half Baked ice cream.
I urge all of you to start a letter writing campaign to Ben & Jerry's urging them to exchange 10 pallets of ice cream for the source code. If we can't convince Ben & Jerry's that our charity is worthwhile, then we need to start raising money to buy it ourselves.
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I've never asked this forum for anything, but I am asking now..

IS the dashboard hijacking our texts?

I downloaded the app "Servicely" and it can disable services and apps to prolong your battery and what not, well i opened it up to take a look and i was going through each apps running services.. Not all mind you as there are a ton but i was scrolling down through OnePlus 6T dashboard app and one of the services was ".mms.SmsHijackerService" .
This of course grabbed my attention. Does anybody know what this is and is a lot more Innocent then what it looks like? I also read something earlier tonight about One plus does steal info behind users backs...not sure if it was a BS article or if out had some truth to it ( sure everything has truth to it) . So after reading that then seeing this i was like WTF. Are my texts being hijacked and sent to them. There was a few other ones with names that at least if they are what i think they are, they hid the name better. I have a screen shot here not sure if i
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am uploaded it right as its my first time. Any help to put my mind at ease. I am headed to bed and i will look more into it in a few hours Thanks!

That's interesting -.- I have no words hopefully oneplus ain't hijacking our text messages.

I think they need to hijack sms and mms just to display it in the Dashboard. At least I hope so.
Nevermind, I am using a custom ROM.

Ryan Mixed said:
That's interesting -.- I have no words hopefully oneplus ain't hijacking our text messages.
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I have found nothing online about it. Very strange, i figured if anybody knew it would be someone on here. I am going to keep digging into it.

@Funk Wizard
My good man, got any inside on this?

fogame said:
@Funk Wizard
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You won't hear from him till there's an stable OOS update.

indian84 said:
You won't hear from him till there's an stable OOS update.
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Lol true. He might respond though. He answers my messages.
Hope for the best, expect the worst.

Has anybody else seen this or have it on their device?

Jrod333 said:
Has anybody else seen this or have it on their device?
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I have the same on OOS 9.012

gogoffm said:
I have the same on OOS 9.012
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I am on 9.0.11 , so it doesn't go away in an update ha ha not that i thought it would. Seems shady but also why on earth would they name it something that seems shady....... I am going to try to install this sms reader module i read about, it logs all data & sms that leave your phone. Find out if any leave that A) i didn't write & B) go somewhere i didn't send...hopefully the app can tell me that..... if it turns out not , Do you or anybody know of an app that can do that ? I think that would solve all my paranoia that every app i have is sending out my information.

Jrod333 said:
I am on 9.0.11 , so it doesn't go away in an update ha ha not that i thought it would. Seems shady but also why on earth would they name it something that seems shady....... I am going to try to install this sms reader module i read about, it logs all data & sms that leave your phone. Find out if any leave that A) i didn't write & B) go somewhere i didn't send...hopefully the app can tell me that..... if it turns out not , Do you or anybody know of an app that can do that ? I think that would solve all my paranoia that every app i have is sending out my information.
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Agree, the name is really strange we should wait the reply from the OP guy....

I put an aluminum foil cover on my phone, and it went away...
the paranoia here is impressive...

MarcoLK said:
I think they need to hijack sms and mms just to display it in the Dashboard. At least I hope so.
Nevermind, I am using a custom ROM.
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Does the Dashboard display sms? Maybe I don't understand what the Dashboard is?

wase4711 said:
I put an aluminum foil cover on my phone, and it went away...
the paranoia here is impressive...
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Hmmm... don't want to start drama as I'm sure you didn't intend to, but I'm one of those "paranoid" or conscious as I prefer.
I'm huge on keeping up with geopolitics and some of us should really research the history of China, and I don't mean reading modern, watered-down history literature. China's CCP is the biggest and most vast "Big Brother" in the world except for intelligence in the US/Europe. Not only that, but they are VERY open about the intrusion of privacy amongst it's own people along with the current controversy on China's LONG history of Intellectual Property theft. Read anything re: China's (state owned and funded) Huawei these days (also, notice Huawei's focus on high quality cameras.. eyes everywhere), I will never own anything they produce and I'm sad to say I may be skeptical of this phone now, sadly. And here's a fun-fact.... I'm a Chinese-American, no joke lol
This is very concerning and I think these questions should continue to be asked higher up. I will definitely research this and watch this thread closely.
Please post any finding on it's nature and update us on if we can remove/block the apk. I will do some testing after work.
- Former GE Engineer and Chinese Businessman Charged with Economic Espionage and Theft of GE’s Trade Secrets - An indictment unsealed today charges Xiaoqing Zheng, 56, of Niskayuna, New York, and Zhaoxi Zhang, 47, of Liaoning Province, China, with economic espionage and conspiring to steal General Electric’s (GE’s) trade secrets surrounding turbine technologies, knowing
- The future of the smartphone camera is here, it’s not Apple and it’s disturbing - "Mashable’s Stan Schroeder snapped this picture that, while grainy, gives a sense of the potential spy-power of the phone’s camera."
- Chinese Infiltration in US Reaches ‘Extreme’ Levels - "There are a minimum of 50,000 Chinese Communist Party (CCP) spies at U.S. companies, government agencies, and U.S. military."
- China Infiltration Into U.S. Education System - "Chinese government has infiltrated nearly every sector of the U.S. education system via a package of programs and monetary schemes that seek to indoctrinate American children and bring the Communist government’s propaganda into the classroom, according to a new report by a Senate investigatory body."
- Why Chinese Steel is Unsafe For Your Next Steel Building Project - Weak steel flooded into the market by the Chinese creates weak infrastructure and military components in rival countries... along with destroying the steel market itself.
Edit: After some initial research, OnePlus is a little more distant than Huawei when it comes to state relations.. but keep in mind that China announced last year a new law that "requires cloud services offered to Chinese citizens be operated by Chinese companies and that the data be stored in China". Why do you think that is....? NEVER EVER EVER trust ANYONE/ANYTHING that says they're from/with the government and that they are there to help you. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
This is a tech/dev forum, so I'll stop here to stay on that topic. But please... understand that there's always a threat to your freedom, it's up to the masses to protect it from the >1% of those working tirelessly to take it.
WWG1WGA!!!

that's fine, and being "conscious" is always appropriate in dealing with all things internet..
however, it always makes me chuckle how so many folks are super paranoid of their privacy being invaded, yet they spend half their lives on faceschnook, tweeter, Snapchat, "the gram" and on and on, plus, as I am sure you already know that once you have an email account, an internet plan, a cell phone, a credit card, a car payment, what ever, you can pretty much kiss any semblance of personal privacy goodbye..

wase4711 said:
I put an aluminum foil cover on my phone, and it went away...
the paranoia here is impressive...
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Every time I do that it really messes my Wi-Fi signal up...

If you use Chinese aluminum foil, it some how works...

wase4711 said:
that's fine, and being "conscious" is always appropriate in dealing with all things internet..
however, it always makes me chuckle how so many folks are super paranoid of their privacy being invaded, yet they spend half their lives on faceschnook, tweeter, Snapchat, "the gram" and on and on, plus, as I am sure you already know that once you have an email account, an internet plan, a cell phone, a credit card, a car payment, what ever, you can pretty much kiss any semblance of personal privacy goodbye..
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You are giving alot assumptions (? ) about me when you don't even know me. I don't have half those things you listed and if I did or if anybody did that automatically takes their right to privacy away? I will always be concerned with that and as I do agree you can't stop it all as everything you have is tied to you in some digital public way, it does not mean we should just give up... That's your choice not mine. But let's get back to the original topic... As this is what this site is for. If you want to argue the topics hipocricy and all that good stuff (because I gladly will) we can do that else where.

I never made ONE SINGLE assumption about you, so no pity party for you..
and, you said I "gave up"..where EXACTLY did I say that?
you cant make stuff up to fit your narrative dude, so dont try..
even XDA hides tracking cookies on your devices, so deal with it..
and, please show me where it says we have a "right" to privacy...

..Cory.. said:
Hmmm... don't want to start drama as I'm sure you didn't intend to, but I'm one of those "paranoid" or conscious as I prefer.
I'm huge on keeping up with geopolitics and some of us should really research the history of China, and I don't mean reading modern, watered-down history literature. China's CCP is the biggest and most vast "Big Brother" in the world except for intelligence in the US/Europe. Not only that, but they are VERY open about the intrusion of privacy amongst it's own people along with the current controversy on China's LONG history of Intellectual Property theft. Read anything re: China's (state owned and funded) Huawei these days (also, notice Huawei's focus on high quality cameras.. eyes everywhere), I will never own anything they produce and I'm sad to say I may be skeptical of this phone now, sadly. And here's a fun-fact.... I'm a Chinese-American, no joke lol
This is very concerning and I think these questions should continue to be asked higher up. I will definitely research this and watch this thread closely.
Please post any finding on it's nature and update us on if we can remove/block the apk. I will do some testing after work.
- Chinese Infiltration in US Reaches ‘Extreme’ Levels - "There are a minimum of 50,000 Chinese Communist Party (CCP) spies at U.S. companies, government agencies, and U.S. military."
- China Infiltration Into U.S. Education System - "Chinese government has infiltrated nearly every sector of the U.S. education system via a package of programs and monetary schemes that seek to indoctrinate American children and bring the Communist government’s propaganda into the classroom, according to a new report by a Senate investigatory body."
- Why Chinese Steel is Unsafe For Your Next Steel Building Project - Weak steel flooded into the market by the Chinese creates weak infrastructure and military components in rival countries... along with destroying the steel market itself.
Edit: After some initial research, OnePlus is a little more distant than Huawei when it comes to state relations.. but keep in mind that China announced last year a new law that "requires cloud services offered to Chinese citizens be operated by Chinese companies and that the data be stored in China". Why do you think that is....? NEVER EVER EVER trust ANYONE/ANYTHING that says they're from/with the government and that they are there to help you. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
This is a tech/dev forum, so I'll stop here to stay on that topic. But please... understand that there's always a threat to your freedom, it's up to the masses to protect it from the >1% of those working tirelessly to take it.
WWG1WGA!!!
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I will keep researching as it has peaked my curiosity. By the way I agree with you. As I can't take it as far as not owning anything made in China as I find that impossible I do limit it where ever I can. And Mr. Tinfoil hat isn't entirely wrong in stating if you have email. Etc then your privacy has been invaded, if everybody read and understood the fine print in every app alone they download, I bet they would think twice. Google freaking owns us and everything we create... You give it to them the min you agree and download this or that... It's sad really.

I am drowning in PEI

World People!
Pleese Help, I drowning....
Pie is anchor tied to ankle, an Oreo is inflatable raft. But!!! I cannot get Oreo Raft.
You see.. some weeks ago I install Pei, and many days since many bad things happen. next door cat that never bother me almost kill me today. Doctor diagnose me with heem-roids? My GF say I leave u for a girl because I ruin men for her. Car no start. PS4 delete ALL game saves. new person start same job as me and gets 18$/hr when I only get 11.50. What is F*CK. I in very very bad place. I even think bad kill me thought all day. Soo What I do? I up **** creek. How I get Oreo??? I do anyting... U want me cuss parents? I DO! n U want me eat red meat? I DO!!! U want me run into gas station place none close on???? I DOOOOOO!!!! Bank have 430.63 cent. I give I just want my Oreo Raft Please help Please!!!!
I have G950FD
I have binary 5
I install Combination ROM no problem
how I can downgrade?
many many Thx to you

If all this bad things happening to you with ANDROID imagine what happens if you go to IOS...
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waypoint.delta said:
World People!
Pleese Help, I drowning....
Pie is anchor tied to ankle, an Oreo is inflatable raft. But!!! I cannot get Oreo Raft.
You see.. some weeks ago I install Pei, and many days since many bad things happen. next door cat that never bother me almost kill me today. Doctor diagnose me with heem-roids? My GF say I leave u for a girl because I ruin men for her. Car no start. PS4 delete ALL game saves. new person start same job as me and gets 18$/hr when I only get 11.50. What is F*CK. I in very very bad place. I even think bad kill me thought all day. Soo What I do? I up **** creek. How I get Oreo??? I do anyting... U want me cuss parents? I DO! n U want me eat red meat? I DO!!! U want me run into gas station place none close on???? I DOOOOOO!!!! Bank have 430.63 cent. I give I just want my Oreo Raft Please help Please!!!!
I have G950FD
I have binary 5
I install Combination ROM no problem
how I can downgrade?
many many Thx to you
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man, i hope youre ok. Pie isnt the end of the world unless you have something specific going on youre not telling us about regarding a specific app or something.
to your point of downgrading, you cant. Once a bootloader revision is installed on your phone, you cannot go back to the previous one. Sorry man, youre stuck with Pie on that device.
To the first part of your post, put applications out there. Go to a couple interviews. Get offers for jobs, tell your current employer about it to give them a chance to retain you, if they cant meet your needs, then its time to leave. The woman part, dont sweat that part man, women are insane (we are too, just in a different way) and some of them can sometimes just go off the deep end just like men as well. Get that better paying job, get that bank account filled, get that confidence and youll get that girl.
to reiterate, your phone is stuck on the newest bootloader, you cannot go back

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I was waiting for ya to jump in???

waypoint.delta said:
World People!
Pleese Help, I drowning....
Pie is anchor tied to ankle, an Oreo is inflatable raft. But!!! I cannot get Oreo Raft.
You see.. some weeks ago I install Pei, and many days since many bad things happen. next door cat that never bother me almost kill me today. Doctor diagnose me with heem-roids? My GF say I leave u for a girl because I ruin men for her. Car no start. PS4 delete ALL game saves. new person start same job as me and gets 18$/hr when I only get 11.50. What is F*CK. I in very very bad place. I even think bad kill me thought all day. Soo What I do? I up **** creek. How I get Oreo??? I do anyting... U want me cuss parents? I DO! n U want me eat red meat? I DO!!! U want me run into gas station place none close on???? I DOOOOOO!!!! Bank have 430.63 cent. I give I just want my Oreo Raft Please help Please!!!!
I have G950FD
I have binary 5
I install Combination ROM no problem
how I can downgrade?
many many Thx to you
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I am here to provide some simple solutions to your current every day dilemmas:
"next door cat that never bother me almost kill me today."
Trap + Cat = Free food for the day. **BONUS!!** = No more cat attacks.
"Doctor diagnose me with heem-roids?"
Sit on the toilet a lot less. Try standing while you poo instead and stop heeming your roids.
"My GF say I leave u for a girl because I ruin men for her."
Offer her your gift of the free food you caught earlier while both demonstrating to her that you are quite the hunter and can protect her from animals who would do her harm.
"Car no start."
Did you check to see if it was plugged in?
"PS4 delete ALL game saves."
Delete the PS4 as punishment. That'll teach it a lesson.
"new person start same job as me and gets 18$/hr when I only get 11.50."
Swap names with that person in your company's records and payroll system, swap it on any office or desk plate, and have both your name's legally changed to each other's name. The time and effort this will take you will have earned you that additional $6.50/hr, I'm sure of it.
"What is F*CK"
It is an English word derived from the German word 'Frichen' which means "To Strike". You can also do this to your PS4 as punishment for deleting all your game saves.
"I in very very bad place."
Travel to a good place.
"Soo What I do? I up **** creek."
Pull up that Pie anchor you have keeping you grounded so that you can float over to the edge of the creek and step out. this is of course assuming you still have a paddle while on **** creek
"How I get Oreo???"
Row up to your local store and buy some. Even at your current rate of pay, it shouldn't cost too much.
"U want me cuss parents?"
Not necessary. However, you can definitely educate them on the word "frichen" and it's many uses. They will be delighted to know that your vocabulary has improved. Thanks internet!
"U want me eat red meat?"
This request was implied when I taught you how to fend for yourself earlier.
"U want me run into gas station place none close on????"
I would advise against this because, honestly, I'm assuming with the GF issue that this didn't really help you before.
"Bank have 430.63 cent. I give I just want my Oreo Raft Please help Please!!!!"
With that much money, you can buy enough Oreos to create the Oreo raft! The only problem is that water will seep through the cracks and it will sink. I advise plugging the spaces between and gluing them together with the stand up poo method I taught you earlier. Now that you have a sea-worthy vessel, it needs a good name. I would use your old name that you graciously gave to that new employee you swapped identities with. What a way to let everyone know what a great big pile that guy is! You can then pack enough rations for your journey down the creek you're on by bringing along that cage with your meal in it, and invite your old GF along for a ride into the sunset.
I'm glad I was able to assist you today in improving your life!
Click thanks if I helped bro!!!1!!11

Neo said:
I am here to provide some simple solutions to your current every day dilemmas:
"next door cat that never bother me almost kill me today."
Trap + Cat = Free food for the day. **BONUS!!** = No more cat attacks.
"Doctor diagnose me with heem-roids?"
Sit on the toilet a lot less. Try standing while you poo instead and stop heeming your roids.
"My GF say I leave u for a girl because I ruin men for her."
Offer her your gift of the free food you caught earlier while both demonstrating to her that you are quite the hunter and can protect her from animals who would do her harm.
"Car no start."
Did you check to see if it was plugged in?
"PS4 delete ALL game saves."
Delete the PS4 as punishment. That'll teach it a lesson.
"new person start same job as me and gets 18$/hr when I only get 11.50."
Swap names with that person in your company's records and payroll system, swap it on any office or desk plate, and have both your name's legally changed to each other's name. The time and effort this will take you will have earned you that additional $6.50/hr, I'm sure of it.
"What is F*CK"
It is an English word derived from the German word 'Frichen' which means "To Strike". You can also do this to your PS4 as punishment for deleting all your game saves.
"I in very very bad place."
Travel to a good place.
"Soo What I do? I up **** creek."
Pull up that Pie anchor you have keeping you grounded so that you can float over to the edge of the creek and step out. this is of course assuming you still have a paddle while on **** creek
"How I get Oreo???"
Row up to your local store and buy some. Even at your current rate of pay, it shouldn't cost too much.
"U want me cuss parents?"
Not necessary. However, you can definitely educate them on the word "frichen" and it's many uses. They will be delighted to know that your vocabulary has improved. Thanks internet!
"U want me eat red meat?"
This request was implied when I taught you how to fend for yourself earlier.
"U want me run into gas station place none close on????"
I would advise against this because, honestly, I'm assuming with the GF issue that this didn't really help you before.
"Bank have 430.63 cent. I give I just want my Oreo Raft Please help Please!!!!"
With that much money, you can buy enough Oreos to create the Oreo raft! The only problem is that water will seep through the cracks and it will sink. I advise plugging the spaces between and gluing them together with the stand up poo method I taught you earlier. Now that you have a sea-worthy vessel, it needs a good name. I would use your old name that you graciously gave to that new employee you swapped identities with. What a way to let everyone know what a great big pile that guy is! You can then pack enough rations for your journey down the creek you're on by bringing along that cage with your meal in it, and invite your old GF along for a ride into the sunset.
I'm glad I was able to assist you today in improving your life!
Click thanks if I helped bro!!!1!!11
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