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Bluetooth Dial Up networking on < AKU 3.3

Maybe I jumped the gun on this one... and I just haven't read enough yet. I flashed my Cingular 8125 (WIZA100) to the tmobile 2.6 ROM. Tmobile is my carrier, my PDA is now unlocked, and works ok for what it is, and I assume it's just like the tmobile MDA now.
I wanted to get my Nokia 770 on the net via a bluetooth tether. I know this has been discussed before, but I am just now realizing that I don't HAVE AKU 3.3, It more like 2.3 (14955.2.3.0). Forget the nokia for a minute, lets try PPC to PPC.
So I tried to keep it simple, and see if my widcomm BT stacked h6315 "client ppc" would find a BT DUN service on my "server ppc" (mda wizard 8125 hybrid). It finds NO services at first. Then I enable IR on the 8125, and a new incoming connection (com 6), and it shows up a serial port service on the client. That's useless to me right?
I SHOULD have BT DUN shouldn't I? Since I don't have the 3.3 ROM installed? Is there some simpler hack that I'm missing, like a registry hack along the likes of the PPC-6700 for tethering the sprint PDA? Or is it even dumber, like a check box I missed somewhere? That modem link tmobile software is garbage right?

katherine45 said:
Maybe I jumped the gun on this one... and I just haven't read enough yet. I flashed my Cingular 8125 (WIZA100) to the tmobile 2.6 ROM. Tmobile is my carrier, my PDA is now unlocked, and works ok for what it is, and I assume it's just like the tmobile MDA now.
I wanted to get my Nokia 770 on the net via a bluetooth tether. I know this has been discussed before, but I am just now realizing that I don't HAVE AKU 3.3, It more like 2.3 (14955.2.3.0). Forget the nokia for a minute, lets try PPC to PPC.
So I tried to keep it simple, and see if my widcomm BT stacked h6315 "client ppc" would find a BT DUN service on my "server ppc" (mda wizard 8125 hybrid). It finds NO services at first. Then I enable IR on the 8125, and a new incoming connection (com 6), and it shows up a serial port service on the client. That's useless to me right?
I SHOULD have BT DUN shouldn't I? Since I don't have the 3.3 ROM installed? Is there some simpler hack that I'm missing, like a registry hack along the likes of the PPC-6700 for tethering the sprint PDA? Or is it even dumber, like a check box I missed somewhere? That modem link tmobile software is garbage right?
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you don't need any reg hack - it SHOULD see the DUN profile as you have a pre-AKU3 ROM (as is also explained in my related tutorials).
I think the problem is caused by that the h6315, being a PPC PE device already, doesn't let for using EXTERNAL modems.
Give this a try: if you have a BT stick / built-in BT support for your notebook / desktop, try
1. to search for the BT DUN profile from there
2. enable the DUN service on the desktop and make the 6315 discover it, if it can

Thanks Menneisyys,
I do have a couple USB sticks, but right now I don't want to figure out what driver goes with what stick (office is a mess). I had it all setup on a laptop, for testing, but it's buried somewhere. I will if I need to though, but not till this weekend.
OTOH, when I was pairing the two PPC's (8125 and h6315), the h6315 offered DUN TO the 8125 (and I think file exchange). The h6315 can give and GET net access to/from my laptop via BT, as well as give to the nokia. I think I even tried getting net access via an old motorola v330 phone. The desktop was also configured at one time to give network access to the old X5 axim.
I remember it being maxed out at around 250kb/s (which is enough for EDGE, but shameful for sharing the laptop's 8mb/s connection at the office.)
The only problem with the h6315 was, it didn't support EDGE, and it's GPRS was toooooo slow from day one.
Thank you again! I've read many of your articles!

WiFi - Software or Hardware

I have been seeking help in the following thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=301497) on how get my WiFi Working on my T-Mobile MDA with little success. If you read the tread you will find the following:
Wifi Router:
WRT56G Linksys, set in b/g mode and WPA-PSK secured
Other Wifi Devices
Acer Laptop - connects no problem.
iPaq 6315 - (T-Mob) Connects no problem.
Both devices easily connect to other routers and networks without problems.
My MDA
SID unlocked
CID Recently Unlocked
Latest T-Mob ROM
RegKeys - dot11SupportedRateMask (1) and ... RateMaskG (8) are believed to be accurate and viewed through SKTools Registry Explorer.
BlueTooth and IR can communicate with Laptop and iPaq.
About the Wifi
When I go to COMM Manager and click the wifi button, it shows the windows loading icon in the middle of the screen... it rotates for about 20 seconds then disappears and goes back to the wifi off status display. If I go to Wifi settings it does not let me enter any information into the settings.
I have also tried the djvw_htc_wizard_optimizer.cab which was supposed to fix the RegKeys set in the T-Mob shipped Wizard Settings, but that did not work either.
So I am looking for a few answers and some direction.
Firstly - What software, ROM, cabs, etc can I try to make the wifi work (provide links if available).
Secondly - What other registry Keys might be affecting the functionality of the wifi?
Third - If nothing else works, what kind of tests or repairs can be done to fix the hardware responsible for the wifi?
I know it has wifi access. The mfg specs say so, the forums and other resources say so, but nothing I have done or found has fixed the problem...
thanks for the help.
Rob

roback80 said:
I have been seeking help in the following thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=301497) on how get my WiFi Working on my T-Mobile MDA with little success. If you read the tread you will find the following
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If you have reinstalled the official TMobile ROM on your phone and you still have this issue, then you appear to have a hardware issue with your MDA (just as I indicated in my last post to you in the other thread). If its under warranty, then call T-Mobile and tell them the WiFi doesn't work. They will probably have you try things, and then send you a new replacement device and then you'll be good to go.
And yes, these devices do have WiFi (I use WiFi on my 8125 all the time) and I know it works on the MDA out of the box (a friend of mine has one that is completely stock and he uses WiFi on it). So this issue is definetly with your phone (either a bad rom flash (which I doubt, but its possible) or its hardware (most likely it appears now after discussions in the other thread)).
Good luck...

To get your device to connect to the router is one matter - do you use AES or TKIP? Stock WM5 doesn't do AES.
Now, if the WiFi light turns on, have you tried using WiFiFoFum? If it doesn't, you might want to have a look at the power management states in the registry. I followed a bit of your thread but never read it through so I'm not sure what you have tried.

Power Management Settings??? Elaborate on this please...
Also router is TKIP.
Wizard is second hand, I live in Belize and thus warranty is probably invalid. So unfortunately, that will not work.
What are the chances of a ROM flash not working for just the WIFI.
Thanks for the help...

Auto switch between VLAN and GPRS

Anyone know if the Trinity can seamlessly switch between WLAN and GPRS depending on network availability? I know the Imate PDA2K can - see http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=3460

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Anyone know if the Trinity can seamlessly switch between WLAN and GPRS depending on network availability? I know the Imate PDA2K can - see http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=3460
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Yeah, it works, but it really depends on how you have your device setup and the ROM that you are running as to how the switch over behaves.

Up until the Radio ROM V1.38, I'd say this worked well, but with the new HTC, and custom ROM's with 1.38 and 1.41 Radio, it is a bit of a pain.
As is the norm with WM5, GPRS is on all the time, and in the absence of an Activesync or WLAN connection, will happily use GPRS. Turning on WLAN should make the data flow via that, but I now find that while GPRS is on, often nothing happens at all when I turn on the WiFi, as if both connections are deferring to each other. It often needs me to disconnect the GPRS connection before WiFi cuts in.
Turning WiFI off again seems to be OK- the GPRS connection re-establishes as needed.

NeilM said:
Up until the Radio ROM V1.38, I'd say this worked well, but with the new HTC, and custom ROM's with 1.38 and 1.41 Radio, it is a bit of a pain.
As is the norm with WM5, GPRS is on all the time, and in the absence of an Active-sync or WLAN connection, will happily use GPRS. Turning on WLAN should make the data flow via that, but I now find that while GPRS is on, often nothing happens at all when I turn on the WiFi, as if both connections are deferring to each other. It often needs me to disconnect the GPRS connection before WiFi cuts in.
Turning WiFI off again seems to be OK- the GPRS connection re-establishes as needed.
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The WLan problem is the reason that I haven't yet tried the new cooked roms. I'm still using the Dopod Test ROM along with the new 1.41 radio. My Trinity runs very well and everything works. GPRS is on...I can connect to Wifi, that works, connect to laptop via activesync, that works, disconnect activesync, then wifi works, disconnect Wifi, then GPRS works. I have also never had a problem with TomTom hanging, and most importantly my 4gb TopRam miniSD works flawlessly. Of course after all of the blah blah about memory cards, I'm wondering how long it will work...we'll see. I'm using the perfomance tweaks, the ATIfix and the bass fix.

Matterhorn said:
My Trinity runs very well and everything works. GPRS is on...I can connect to Wifi, that works, connect to laptop via activesync, that works, disconnect activesync, then wifi works, disconnect Wifi, then GPRS works.
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Same thing here with the latest original HTC FRA ROM.
Same also with my Qtek9100.
The only thing I could not manage yet in the Trinity is to set up an automatic shutdown (disconnect) of the GPRS/UMTS data connection after a given time of no use to save the battery life.

Matterhorn said:
The WLan problem is the reason that I haven't yet tried the new cooked roms. .
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Thats interesting!
I still had the same problem as mentioned above with the latest official HTC ROM. I had thought it was the Radio version, but as yours is OK, perhaps it is a hardware issue local to my device? My release Orange ROM worked fine though (but I had to get rid of teh horrid Orange stuff, some of which is in the ROM itself rather than the Ext_ROM)

Cyrus Kourosh said:
Same thing here with the latest original HTC FRA ROM.
Same also with my Qtek9100.
The only thing I could not manage yet in the Trinity is to set up an automatic shutdown (disconnect) of the GPRS/UMTS data connection after a given time of no use to save the battery life.
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I use this little app to turn off my connection and change between radio modes. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286844&highlight=bandswitch

NeilM said:
Thats interesting!
I still had the same problem as mentioned above with the latest official HTC ROM. I had thought it was the Radio version, but as yours is OK, perhaps it is a hardware issue local to my device? My release Orange ROM worked fine though (but I had to get rid of teh horrid Orange stuff, some of which is in the ROM itself rather than the Ext_ROM)
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I don't think it is a hardware problem. The thing is, I'm not usning an official HTC rom, it is a Dopod test rom that came out even before the first official Dopod GPS rom. I use it because since everything works, there was no reason to go looking for trouble . I've updated the radio to 1.41 and applied the performance tweaks, the atifix and bass fix. I remember at the time that the official Dopod and HTC rom came out that several people went back to the test rom because of stability, radio, and miniSD card issues. That being said I can't wait to try the new WM6 Trinity rom!

Matterhorn said:
I use this little app to turn off my connection and change between radio modes. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286844&highlight=bandswitch
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Very nice application...
Band switch + time limit to come back to gprs.
I did not read the whole topic yet... I will try the soft today.
Thanks a lot Matterhorn
Edit: Installed and tested. Really great and helpfull tool.

WM6 DUN Connection PDA 2 PDA

Hello, downloaded many great ROMS from the site and have just 1 ickle issue with WM6
Have a Artemis (MDA Compact III) and a Elf (MDA Touch) both running Windows mobile 6. My artmeis is using tomtom and unable to get live updates / traffic reports as the simcard slot is buggered so no GPRS connection. So Idea was too use my Elf to share the connection via GPRS using BT but no luck. Tried the BT DUN cab which did show DUN as a service on my Artemis. Added a new network connection setting, dial up as *99# but nothing is happening when launching a webpage - shows dialing *99# but connection keeps failing.
Hope someone can help

At the risk of sounding silly, the o2 orbit has a 2 year warranty, would it be possible just to get it replaced in an o2 store? (I don't think they've been out 2 years yet?)

handset not faulty ...this is due to the device no longer providing D.U.N as a service due to it being WM6 - basically I need to share my internet connection from 1 PDA to another

doesn't DUN require an active sim card to work tho?
saying that, i just had a quick look and i can make a new connection and select bluetooth as the modem type, unfourtantly i don't have another pda to try, but if its paired with another device would you be able to use the modem on the other device? or is that what you've been trying to do?
I only suggested the warranty as you mentioned the sim card slot was buggered, didn't mean to sound sarcastic! also was about to suggest wifi as an option but then realised that mda compact doesn't have wifi ...

Have you tried this ? I use it to access the web with a WM2003SE device to a WM6 device via bluetooth. I tried all of the other suggested methods/hacks and this is the only thing that works for me.

Hrmm i've been trying to play a multiplayer game via bluetooth with wm6 and found it impossible, is it possible to create a serial connection between to wm6 phones?
not sure if its a simular problem, just reading thru that thread now thanks

Problem is simple - have 2 wm6 devices, MDA Compact III has GPS which I use for TOMTOM but use my simcard in the touch as my phone (prefer to use it for making calls etc), Dont want to keep swapping my sim just to get traffic updates ...

Tethering IPAQ 910 (WM 6.1)through Sony Ericsson TM506

Two phones--HP IPAQ 910 (runs WM 6.1 Professional), and a Sony Ericsson TM506 (dumbphone). I could use either, with my T-Mobile (USA) SIM card. However, although the IPAQ has 3G, that will not work on T-Mobile, which uses a different band for 3G.
The TM506 works very well as a 3G modem for my laptops, giving me a fast Internet connection on the go, when there is no available wi-fi connection. It also works well as a phone. Of course, it has much elss PDA capability than the IPAQ, much worse keyboard for text input (just a normal phone keypad), and much smaller screen.
Therefore, two phones, one SIM card, the following looks like the best solution to me--leave the SIM in the TM506, and use that as a phone. (If the battery runs out, the IPAQ could be used as a backup phone.) Also use the TM506 as a 3G modem, both for laptops, and for the IPAQ.
Use the IPAQ as a PDA, and as a small internet device, connected via wi-fi or tethered through the Tm506.
The problem is--although tethering from a laptop to the TM506 works fine, I cannot get the IPAQ to tether through it. I set up the BT pairing, I choose the DUN service, I successfully set up a connection in the Connections tab, routed through the BT modem (TM506), using the same settings as on the laptop. Everything looks like it is set up correctly.
However, when I try to connect through that connection, I always get an error message very quickly, about "cannot connect for unknown reason".
I've tried so many things, over days now, and cannot get it to work. I've scoured the Internet looking for info, and found nothing that works for me.
Does anyone here have any suggestions? Has anyone here tethered with an IPAQ 910, or at least a WM 6.1 PPC, through a different phone? (I do not mean using the IPAQ or other WM 6.1 phone as a modem for a laptop--but the opposite--connecting to the Internet on the IPAQ 910 or other WM 6.1 phone, by BT tethering through another phone.)
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance!

I tried today to tether an old PPC I have, the T-Mobile (USA) MDA (HTC Wizard, stock T-Mo AKU2 ROM, WM5) through the TM506, and it worked!
So, the problem is definitely not with the TM506, which works for tethering a laptop, and for tethering the Wizard.
The question is then--why won't the IPAQ 910 tether through it? It has all the right settings to tether (DUN) through another device, but it doesn't work. I'm wondering if I have a defective unit, or whether it is a problem with the whole model, or even of WM 6.1.
Has anyone here successfully tethered a WM 6.1 phone through another phone? Has anyone done so using an IPAQ 910?
Anyone here curious to try, and see if it works with your phone?
Could it be a problem with the Bluetooth stack? Do all WM 6.1 phones now have the MS stack, or do some have Widcomm? If there is a problem with outgoing BT DUN on the MS stack, is it possible to install the Widcomm stack? Or would that create other BT problems?
Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you in advance.

I looked at the BT specs, from systeminfo, on the 910. This doesn't mean anything to me, but I'll post it here, in case it means something to someone:
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Firmware Version A05U
Hardware Revision: BlueCore4ROM
Driver Version: BCHS_WINCE_MOBILE_4_7_3
Software Version: BCHS_WINCE_MOBILE_4_7_3
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Does that mean anything to anyone reading?
Interesting--no mention of Microsoft or Broadcomm-Widcomm in any of that. (Unless the BC at the beginning of driver and software version stands for Broadcom).

I still have not found anything in Internet searches. Although I am not very knowledgeable about the WM registry, I decided to look a little there, and see if I find anything.
I see a registry key, that to me seems like it would govern outbound BT DUN from the phone:
HKLM\EXTModems\bluetooth_dun\
(Being that this is under external modems, I assume this key has to do with the outbound DUN I was discussing-dialing with the PPC to the internet, through another phone.)
Underneath it there are three values:
string value: FriendlyName=Bluetooth
string value: port=COM5
Dword: DeviceType=7
I am wondering whether--perhaps altering the second or third value, could get this to work?
Anyone know what the third one means-DeviceType=7?
With the second value, could it perhaps not be working, in that that is the incorrect com port? How would I find out what is the correct com port for this?
IN setting up the pairing between the IPAQ 910 and the SE TM506 (initiated from the IPAQ), in the choice of services, besides the dial-up-networking service, I believe there was the serial port profile, where one could set up a particular com port. There was no mention of that being necessary for setting up DUN, so I just chose the latter. However, should I re-pair, and also choose the serial port profile, and set up a com5?
Any other ideas?
Thank you.
Edit--I forgot to mention, under ExtModems, besides the key bluetooth_dun, there is also a key called bluetooth_dcn. What in the world is bt dcn?

I came upon a post on Modaco from 2005, regarding tethering a WM phone through another phone, at:
http://www.modaco.com/content/blue-angel-blueangel-modaco-com/202751/bluetooth-dun-profile/
I think much of it is not applicable to my situation, as two very different phones, different version of WM, etc.
However, I found the following quote from it interesting:
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"BTW - You can't go into Settings...Connections to set up your connection. For some reason it doesn't work. Don't ask me why. I have to use the Bluetooth Manager to connect."
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Well, as described, it also doesn't work for me to connect, through Settings-Connections-Connections. However, on my IPAQ 910, WM6.1, there is no other way to connect.
The author of the post quoted above says he can connect through "Bluetooth Manager". Well, I have no applet, either in Programs or Settings, called "Bluetooth Manager". There are of course Bluetooth settings, under Settings, Connections-Bluetooth. One can set up the pairing there, but there is no way to initiate a connection from there. One has to go into the Connections-Settings-Settings screen to set up the actual connection, and try to connect. I still cannot get that to work. (And now I have tried adding a BT serial port with the same com number as the registry key, as described above. Still did not work.)
I'm wondering--if there is some way I could get the app "Bluetooth Manager", would it install and work on my IPAQ 910? Where could I get that applet? Or is that app for the other BT stack?

3G modem with TM506
No answers about connecting the ipaq with the tm506 but I was curious as to how you used the tm506 as a 3G modem? I can connect with my laptop using the GPRS network but not the 3G. I downloaded the PC software from ericsson website and everything loaded and functions smoothly but it will not connect to the 3G network. The software setup a modem connection that dials *99***5# and a long unknown password entry. Any idea of how to get this to work?

mjw54 said:
No answers about connecting the ipaq with the tm506 but I was curious as to how you used the tm506 as a 3G modem? I can connect with my laptop using the GPRS network but not the 3G. I downloaded the PC software from ericsson website and everything loaded and functions smoothly but it will not connect to the 3G network. The software setup a modem connection that dials *99***5# and a long unknown password entry. Any idea of how to get this to work?
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Sorry for the late reply, but I have not looked here for a while.
I found it to work also using that SE software. That sets up the connections on the computer, so they can also be used without the SE software running.
Nothing special necessary to use 3G. But of course, T-Mo 3G is not spread throughout the country. Of course if you do not get a T-Mo 3g signal where you live, you cannot tether 3G. Do you get a 3G signal with the phone by itself?