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Not exactly....
But had 30 minutes to compare.
Cleared cache and rebooted my nexus...had full signal in the store.
Well on good....screen Res seemed richer on the nexus. Close-up revealed finer contrast than incredible.
Incredible just flew...app to app and thru menu items tho... significantly faster than nexus.
(I'm on Desire remix rom btw).
Browser to browser: interesting: speedtests: nexus consistantly 2500kbps...incredible: 1200.
But on graphic heavy sites incredible was marginally faster most of the time. Nexus has initial lag connecting then was faster.....Incredible seemed to have none of that initial lag. Don't know what that means. (I have under 25 Apps installed).
Camera shots were actually fairly similar....incredible was better by a bit.
I like the feel of the incredible better much more secure due to that 'race car' back.
The gallery and music apps are really nice.
So ...I think we're oneupped out of the box a bit....
We'll see if folks mod it to any degree.
You can really compare a ported rom to a rom built specifically for a device.
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So ...I think we're oneupped out of the box a bit....
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Honestly dude after reading your post it sounded like the Nexus One came out on top by hair...
Yeah....not really a valid comparison.
Apples to oranges. Different network, one is a near virgin unit and your N1 is loaded up with apps & data, you can clear all the cache you want but there are still background tasks.
but even given all of that it still sounded to me like the Nexus wONE
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Incredible just flew...app to app and thru menu items tho... significantly faster than nexus.
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I dunno dude, if my app flicking was any smoother, my Nexus would start signing Barry White.
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Browser to browser: interesting: speedtests: nexus consistantly 2500kbps...incredible: 1200.
But on graphic heavy sites incredible was marginally faster most of the time. Nexus has initial lag connecting then was faster.....Incredible seemed to have none of that initial lag. Don't know what that means. (I have under 25 Apps installed).
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Isn't Incredible on Verizon and N1 on TMo/ATT? It's the provider.
I didnt see where or if you mentioned whether or not you were using stock with the pathetic ram or a custom with appropriate ram use. But not only does the incredible have more ram, it probably actually uses a lot of it unlike the nexus. maybe after an update the nexus will be just as quick.
I was at first going to call the OP retarded for this horrible comparison. Instead though, I will just say - flash Cyanogen, and you will see which one is fastest.
And then say more.
These Desire ROMs are just horrible on the Nexus, and offer a very noticeable speed difference from stock or any other non-Desire ROM. That's why when Froyo is released, I will stay off of them for a while. Not to mention your using Manup's.. its based from one of Paul's old builds, Alpha 10 I believe.. can't remember.
I'm positive though regardless, the Nexus on its native Android version or updates in the future are up to par or faster than the Incredible. Don't spread a bad name please, it really urks me when people inform people of false information. Or non valid and a long stretch from the truth accusations.
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I didnt see where or if you mentioned whether or not you were using stock with the pathetic ram or a custom with appropriate ram use. But not only does the incredible have more ram, it probably actually uses a lot of it unlike the nexus. maybe after an update the nexus will be just as quick.
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The 2 phones have the same amount of ram..
compare a stock nexus one with a stock incredible.
idiot
Port your mother....maybe she'll finally produce someone with manners...hey....always a shot!
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compare a stock nexus one with a stock incredible.
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Horrible topic... sounds like nexus won too me too...lol
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rockky said:
Not exactly....
But had 30 minutes to compare.
Cleared cache and rebooted my nexus...had full signal in the store.
Well on good....screen Res seemed richer on the nexus. Close-up revealed finer contrast than incredible.
Incredible just flew...app to app and thru menu items tho... significantly faster than nexus.
(I'm on Desire remix rom btw).
Browser to browser: interesting: speedtests: nexus consistantly 2500kbps...incredible: 1200.
But on graphic heavy sites incredible was marginally faster most of the time. Nexus has initial lag connecting then was faster.....Incredible seemed to have none of that initial lag. Don't know what that means. (I have under 25 Apps installed).
Camera shots were actually fairly similar....incredible was better by a bit.
I like the feel of the incredible better much more secure due to that 'race car' back.
The gallery and music apps are really nice.
So ...I think we're oneupped out of the box a bit....
We'll see if folks mod it to any degree.
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It's not a fair comparison because the Incredible is running Sense UI written for the Incredible.
The N1's ROM is a hack job.
And the Desire's kernel hasn't been released yet, which is the reason for the any lag you might experience on the N1.
As it's been said, there are a number of different factors that will influence a comparison like this, probably most notably the difference between a beta ROM and one built and polished for one specific phone.
But who cares? Same team guys. It's all Android and that's what counts.
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As it's been said, there are a number of different factors that will influence a comparison like this, probably most notably the difference between a beta ROM and one built and polished for one specific phone.
But who cares? Same team guys. It's all Android and that's what counts.
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Indeed. I'll gladly let the Incredible be the #1 phone if it sales 1 million+ phones fast and gets the market growing even faster like the original droid did
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Camera shots were actually fairly similar....incredible was better by a bit.
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Could you elaborate more on this? I'm interested in seeing how the 8MP camera is compared to the 5MP on the Nexus One...
The only reason the Incredible "seems" faster loading apps and such is because SenseUI doesn't have the animated window transitions. Turn them off in spare parts (like I have) and it's just as responsive, if not more.
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Could you elaborate more on this? I'm interested in seeing how the 8MP camera is compared to the 5MP on the Nexus One...
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Looking at a 8MP at normal 100% and a 5MP 100% they will look the same I believe. If you zoom in or look at one at its full resolution, you will see the difference. Since both phones are using the same screen size and resolution, any difference will be unnoticeable I believe.
I have photos from my girlfriends 12MP camera and had added them to my Nexus One SDcard. Since they get sized to fit my N1 screen, I never noticed a difference in detail unless I zoomed in.
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Looking at a 8MP at normal 100% and a 5MP 100% they will look the same I believe. If you zoom in or look at one at its full resolution, you will see the difference. Since both phones are using the same screen size and resolution, any difference will be unnoticeable I believe.
I have photos from my girlfriends 12MP camera and had added them to my Nexus One SDcard. Since they get sized to fit my N1 screen, I never noticed a difference in detail unless I zoomed in.
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Ah, I see. I just thought that the Incredible's photos would be more crisp and detailed, considering the higher resolution. But I love the camera on the N1 and I use it a lot, so I can't complain.
For those who haven't used a Galaxy S running Android 2.2, let me get you up to speed on a disappointing situation we have on our hands.
First, you should be aware that Galaxy S phones running Android 2.1 provide one of the smoothest Android browsing experiences around (even compared to other Android phones running 2.2). Scrolling is exceptionally smooth in most scenarios.
As you may have heard, Google heavily optimized the browser in Android 2.2. Unforunately, it seems they optimized it with Qualcomm (Snapdragon) processors in mind. While browsing became faster and smoother on phones with Qualcomm processors, it became (much) slower on phones with Hummingbird processors, especially when it comes to scrolling. Scrolling on websites with moderately heavy content (especially when you're zoomed out) is a chore on Galaxy S phones running 2.2. It's very jerky and slow. This is the case even when Flash is completely disabled, so that isn't the cause. If you've read many Galaxy Tab reviews, you've probably seen them point out how surprisingly jerky scrolling is in the browser.
Fortunately for Galaxy S users, Samsung has taken notice of the problem and last week leaked an Android 2.2.1 build for Galaxy S phones that includes GPU acceleration within the browser. This effectively fixes the problem. On this leaked build, scrolling is very smooth again in the browser. Even smoother than it was on Android 2.1 in fact. The only downside is that checkerboard patterns are occasionally seen when scrolling quickly, as is the case with GPU accelerated browsing in iOS and WP7.
Many of us were hoping the real fix would come with Gingerbread since Google was finally optimizing Android for a Hummingbird powered phone (the Nexus S of course). Unfortunately, after watching and reading several reviews of the Nexus S, I am disappointed to tell you that the problem hasn't been resolved. The Nexus S running 2.3 suffers from the same poor browser scrolling performance as the Galaxy S line does running 2.2. If you're coming from a Snapdragon based phone running 2.2 or a Galaxy S running 2.1 or 2.2.1, you WILL notice how slow scrolling is in the browser of the Nexus S.
If you want to see for yourself, take a look at the following video starting at about 12:50:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xClO6d-S86w&feature=player_embedded
At this point, we can only hope for review sites to bash the browsing performance and for Google to take notice and do something about it (better optimization or GPU acceleration like in the leaked Galaxy S 2.2.1 build). Please voice this issue loudly in every forum you visit and pray that Google sees it and makes fixing it a priority.
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For those who haven't used a Galaxy S running Android 2.2, let me get you up to speed on a disappointing situation we have on our hands.
First, you should be aware that Galaxy S phones running Android 2.1 provide one of the smoothest Android browsing experiences around (even compared to other Android phones running 2.2). Scrolling is exceptionally smooth in most scenarios.
As you may have heard, Google heavily optimized the browser in Android 2.2. Unforunately, it seems they optimized it with Qualcomm (Snapdragon) processors in mind. While browsing became faster and smoother on phones with Qualcomm processors, it became (much) slower on phones with Hummingbird processors, especially when it comes to scrolling. Scrolling on websites with moderately heavy content (especially when you're zoomed out) is a chore on Galaxy S phones running 2.2. It's very jerky and slow. This is the case even when Flash is completely disabled, so that isn't the cause. If you've read many Galaxy Tab reviews, you've probably seen them point out how surprisingly jerky scrolling is in the browser.
Fortunately for Galaxy S users, Samsung has taken notice of the problem and last week leaked an Android 2.2.1 build for Galaxy S phones that includes GPU acceleration within the browser. This effectively fixes the problem. On this leaked build, scrolling is very smooth again in the browser. Even smoother than it was on Android 2.1 in fact. The only downside is that checkerboard patterns are occasionally seen when scrolling quickly, as is the case with GPU accelerated browsing in iOS and WP7.
Many of us were hoping the real fix would come with Gingerbread since Google was finally optimizing Android for a Hummingbird powered phone (the Nexus S of course). Unfortunately, after watching and reading several reviews of the Nexus S, I am disappointed to tell you that the problem hasn't been resolved. The Nexus S running 2.3 suffers from the same poor browser scrolling performance as the Galaxy S line does running 2.2. If you're coming from a Snapdragon based phone running 2.2 or a Galaxy S running 2.1 or 2.2.1, you WILL notice how slow scrolling is in the browser of the Nexus S.
If you want to see for yourself, take a look at the following video starting at about 12:50:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xClO6d-S86w&feature=player_embedded
At this point, we can only hope for review sites to bash the browsing performance and for Google to take notice and do something about it (better optimization or GPU acceleration like in the leaked Galaxy S 2.2.1 build). Please voice this issue loudly in every forum you visit and pray that Google sees it and makes fixing it a priority.
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Its an issue with flash
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Its an issue with flash
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Did you even read what I wrote? The slow scrolling remains even with flash disabled or completely uninstalled.
Also, look at the Nexus One right next to the S in the video scrolling 10 times faster. It has flash enabled too.
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What a pity!
It will fix one day...eventually...
I wanna see a PERFECT Nexus S...
Are there REALLY Snapdragon optimizations in Android 2.2's browser or is that just hearsay because browsing is laggy on the Galaxy S?
Might be the crappy website he's on, other reviews shows other websites with flash and it's buttery smooth.
Also, you CAN NOT compare the Nexus S with PURE ANDROID 2.3 with a Samsung Galaxy S series phone with SAMSUNG TOUCHWIZ ANDROID! They are night and day comparisons!
I have trouble believing this when none of reviews I have read make mention of browser lag at all, and the videos I have seen show the Nexus S scrolling quite smoothly.
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Are there REALLY Snapdragon optimizations in Android 2.2's browser or is that just hearsay because browsing is laggy on the Galaxy S?
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1) Browser scrolls smoothly on Galaxy S with 2.1
2) Google "optimizes" the OS and browser for 2.2 while using a Snapdragon based phone for development
3) Browser scrolls horribly on Galaxy S with 2.2
Maybe they didn't intentionally optimize for Snapdragon. I don't know. Call it what you will, but Google certainly made changes to Android that helped Snapdragon CPUs and hurt Hummingbird CPUs when it comes to browser smoothness.
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Might be the crappy website he's on
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It's not the website. I've looked into this thoroughly for the last couple months and scrolling is slow on pretty much any website with a lot of content... Anandtech, Engadget, Gizmodo, Pocketnow, etc. If it was just a bad website, then why does the Nexus One in the video scroll so much smoother? It's clearly a problem with Android 2.2+ on Hummingbird processors.
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THE PROBLEM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FLASH! Flash works FINE on Galaxy S phones as well as the Nexus S and runs perfectly smooth. The problem is noticeable on websites with a lot of images and html content.
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Also, you CAN NOT compare the Nexus S with PURE ANDROID 2.3 with a Samsung Galaxy S series phone with SAMSUNG TOUCHWIZ ANDROID! They are night and day comparisons!
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Yeah well they have one thing in common. They both scroll slow as hell in the browser on content heavy sites with Android 2.2+!
You can make all the excuses you want, but when you get a Nexus S and realize how slow browser scrolling is compared to your old Snapdragon phone running 2.2 or your old Galaxy S running 2.1 you'll understand what I'm talking about.
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I have trouble believing this when none of reviews I have read make mention of browser lag at all, and the videos I have seen show the Nexus S scrolling quite smoothly.
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I agree. Looks fine to me in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_pz3nQVJa8&NR=1
Like it or not. This is Google we're talking about the web is there thing it will get better.
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I have trouble believing this when none of reviews I have read make mention of browser lag at all, and the videos I have seen show the Nexus S scrolling quite smoothly.
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Did you watch the Anandtech video I posted? The proof is right there! I believe Joshua Topolsky also mentioned briefly in the Engadget podcast this week that the browser felt slower than it should.
This slow scrolling is ONLY in the browser and ONLY on websites with a lot of content. The scrolling also isn't as bad when you're zoomed way in. Keep those things in mind when you see a video of the Nexus S scrolling in the browser.
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Did you watch the Anandtech video I posted? The proof is right there! I believe Joshua Topolsky also mentioned briefly in the Engadget podcast this week that the browser felt slower than it should.
This slow scrolling is ONLY in the browser and ONLY on websites with a lot of content. The scrolling also isn't as bad when you're zoomed way in. Keep those things in mind when you see a video of the Nexus S scrolling in the browser.
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Dude, you need to relax. This phone is not even released yet. By the way you talk, you make it sound like you've been using a Nexus S for a couple months now.
How about other browsers such as Skyfire opera dolphin???
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Did you watch the Anandtech video I posted? The proof is right there! I believe Joshua Topolsky also mentioned briefly in the Engadget podcast this week that the browser felt slower than it should.
This slow scrolling is ONLY in the browser and ONLY on websites with a lot of content. The scrolling also isn't as bad when you're zoomed way in. Keep those things in mind when you see a video of the Nexus S scrolling in the browser.
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I did, and what I'm saying is that that's the only instance of lag we've seen or heard mentioned so far, even with 'professional' reviewers reviewing the phone. I'm not going to deny that there could be a problem though, but we'll have to wait until Thursday to know for sure.
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I agree. Looks fine to me in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_pz3nQVJa8&NR=1
Like it or not. This is Google we're talking about the web is there thing it will get better.
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Phonedog isn't an extremely content heavy site and he's zoomed in when he scrolls around, but I do still notice a little stuttering. I was trying to find a Galaxy S with 2.1 browsing phonedog.com to see if it's smoother, but couldn't.
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Dude, you need to relax. This phone is not even released yet. By the way you talk, you make it sound like you've been using a Nexus S for a couple months now.
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Heard of the Galaxy S? Yeahhhh. Same phone, different software. I was hoping 2.3 would solve the issue but it looks like it doesn't from what I've seen/read.
Hoestly that video you posted made up my mind for me, I am picking up the nexus s on thursday instead of going back to the MT4G. That thing is silky smooth. Don't care about the one hiccup in this video.
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I did, and what I'm saying is that that's the only instance of lag we've seen or heard mentioned so far, even with 'professional' reviewers reviewing the phone. I'm not going to deny that there could be a problem though, but we'll have to wait until Thursday to know for sure.
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That Anandtech video isn't the only place I've seen/heard about it. I own a Galaxy S and we've been dealing with this problem for months, so excuse me if I'm terrified at the first signs that the Nexus S browser is laggy.
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Hoestly that video you posted made up my mind for me, I am picking up the nexus s on thursday instead of going back to the MT4G. That thing is silky smooth. Don't care about the one hiccup in this video.
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That's fine. I'm not out to bash the Nexus S or the people that buy it. The Nexus S is clearly an AWESOME phone and I want to get one. I simply don't want the browsing experience hampered by software that doesn't play nice with Hummingbird. I want Google to take notice that their latest software made changes that cause Hummingbird processors to scroll very choppy on content heavy sites in the browser. I want them to fix it or at least make it like it was on 2.1 because this phone could be so much better!
Did you watch this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_pz3nQVJa8&feature=channel
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Is this slow too?
Hey
First of i would like to say that i have been reading on xda since the old winmo days where i rooted and customized my phones. Now it is my time to write my first post here, which i have close to doing many times, im from Denmark by the way.
Not long ago i sold my beloved Htc hd2, which i had running Android, and i bought the Nokia N8 due since i am heavy on the music and photos. My plan was to get a 7 inch tablet with android for the rest of my needs, which the N8 could not for fill, and even though i had read some places that the tab was slower than one would expect i got myself a used one ( like new) for about half the retail prize.
Now i must say that i am really bugged out about this Tab, it is super slick, the screen and the form factor is nice, the internals are great ( much the same as the new google developer phone, that should be good?) but still this thing runs poorly on froyo 2.2. Really i dont see people saying this is acceptable, since i really dont think it is, i dont mean to flame, since i love android and phones in generel, but even my Htc hd2 had smoother performance than the tab, i find that hard to be true.
It is not slow in generel use, its proberly about what a galaxy s with stock would be, but in things such as the web browser, which should be essensial for a tablet, the galaxy tab really sucks, it is so bad that my nokia n8 with opera mobile nearly handles the web better, and thats really saying something! I tryed about all browsers in the android markedplace and ofcourse one can find a much better one than the stock ( of course you have to turn flash off, even through i think it is a shame)
I ended up using Opera Mobile since it is by far the fastest, it seems to me through that its not running the native res of the tab, could i be right?, is it true that some apps will show fullscreen without being the full res of the tab? i looked allover the web for days trying to get a grip of things without luck, really hope to get some answers
Now what would love to learn some more about would be the future prospects of the Galaxy tab, Is it in the hands of many developers?, will we see custom roms? (since i am not much for stock and touchwizz). Can we expect the Tab to be get much faster, should it not have the same or similar performances as the Nexus S or Galaxy S?
A final thing that i was wondering was about the res of the tabs screen. Is that whats coursing the troubles, the lagg? is that what makes it slow someplaces and makes the webbrowser work like a windows mobile 6.5 stock browser (or worse )
The reason why i am thinking that now is that i just read on Engadget that the Galaxy tab 2 will have Tegra 2 and that it seems very likely that Tegra 2 will be the processor in allot of gingerbread android tablet. Is the hummingbird to slow to handle higher resolution screens? (I really, REALLY hope that is not the case)
Maybe someone with a Archos 101 could prove me wrong (or another android tablet with higher res)???
Well thats it for me, really hope to get some answers since i know this is the best place to ask this sort of questions!
i'm on JM6 and somehow i still dont get what people say about silkky or buttery smooth >.<
mine is kinda laggy (still), and the stock browser gets laggy too when get scrolled up or down, i'm going back to miren browser
i do love putting widget though in my screen, but when i see homescreen post, some of them got a lot of widget too
wonder what's wrong with mine
already using launcher pro, better in term of scrolling than touchwiz with lots of pages (App Drawer)
but scrolling screen still gives me lag
quoting everybody else, after tegra 2 maybe there will be a tegra 3 or whatsoever so if you wait and wait, you'll wait for the rest of your life
i'm jumping on the wagon here, and i'm pretty satisfied actually, but since this is my 1st android phone, i have nothing to compare
gingerbread is definitely come to us , so i dont really care if the requirements need tegra 2
if my tab can handle it, so rock on, if it cant, then just wait for another device capable of gingerbread and sell this one
but since nexus S is using the same 1ghz and using gingerbread also, i dont think tegra 2 is necessary for it
maybe for honeycomb, we'll never know
keep crossing ur finger ^^
Thanks for your quick response. I hope your right with the requirements since it really makes sense that the nexus s would be apple to opgrade.
To me miren Browser is very laggy i really want to use it just don't run smoothly. Thinking about trying flashing one of the roms out there maybe I should wait for a official.
It's not the processor, it's the OS! and Gingerbread aint gonna fix it because it aint designed for tablets. Honeycombe is 'supposed' to be designed for use with tablets so you'll have to wait until 3Q 2011.
I don't know why people are surprised when they realise this as 'sticky', 'laggy', 'freezing' were words all mentioned in every review i've ever read about the tab.
Unless of course you only read Samsungs own review which would be slightly bias.
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The reason why i am thinking that now is that i just read on Engadget that the Galaxy tab 2 will have Tegra 2 and that it seems very likely that Tegra 2 will be the processor in allot of gingerbread android tablet. Is the hummingbird to slow to handle higher resolution screens? (I really, REALLY hope that is not the case)
Maybe someone with a Archos 101 could prove me wrong (or another android tablet with higher res)???
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I once had a Toshiba Folio 100 with a Tegra 2 processor (for 5 days ) and it was just as fast/slow as the Tab. Don't know if Gingerbread is going to make the nvidea processor perform a lot better. As far as I know it is a driver thing.
Except for the browser, I think the Tab is fast enough for me.
This performance thing is relative. For example simon2901 you said htc hd2 has better android performance. I have both tab and hd2 now, nearly tried every android build for hd2 but cant find anything that has the performance that makes me feel really usable. But you think the opposite and this shows how relative this thing can be.
I flashed my tab to jm6 as Justin^Tan and i am agree with him. People say it is silky or very smooth but i all can say is it is smoother then my stock rom. Another proof of how this can be relative.
And i agree with appleflap except browser tab is enough for me too. Browser is enough in most cases for me too but when i browse a fully loaded page with flash it really is a pain.
As from the Gingerbread i only expect is make power drain of some apps more reasonable.
It's the OS... I come from an OS for which bloggers like to make fun (WM 6.5.5), however the custom ROMs for my TP2 were in the end quite fast. And I feel like I had more functionalities
This has nothing to do with Samsung's hardware. The Hummingbird is actually as (more) powerful as what you find in the iPad (And we have more memory with our Tab)
If I were you I would not expect too much from Gingerbread. Doesn't look like much more than a minor upgrade with a few tweaks. Quite different from the move from 2.1 to 2.2 let's put our hope sin Honeycombs...
It's kind of normal, it's a young OS and to be honest it's impressive to see the work that has been accomplished since the first versions of android. Given its quick growth we can hope to see more and more good apps and hopefully improved support for custom ROMs. That said teh Tab doesnt seem so popular among modders and chefs (maybe because of the price ? Or just because Clockwork seems more difficult to develop ?) so I ma not sure we can hope that much for the future for us
Gingerbread actually does have some performance improvements imho. Running it on my nexus one and the screen transitions have improved over Froyo (dare I say - as silky smooth as on the ipad? ). So I would expect the Tab to feel a bit slicker too once it gets some Gingerbread love. Personally, I'm not finding the Tab to be sluggish at all. Running Launcher Pro, JM6 firmware, Miren browser, a few widgets, tons of apps, no live wallpaper, and it's all very smooth.
Jm 6 is that a custom rom or just a minor update, how does it compare to stock, since mine certainly not smooth with miren. I laggs so much only opera is useable
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Jm 6 is that a custom rom or just a minor update, how does it compare to stock, since mine certainly not smooth with miren. I laggs so much only opera is useable
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JM6 is a Euro firmware that's been posted in the dev section here. I'm not sure it improves performance compared to stock, but then I flashed this pretty much the same day as I got the Tab so can't really compare . I believe it has some performance improvements with the stock browser, but I prefer Miren anyway. I really don't see any lagging with Miren, or at least none that I can't attribute to poor wifi connections etc. It's certainly way slicker than the stock browser. The pinch to zoom font rendering on stock is appalling whereas on Miren it preserves quality. Not tried Opera on the Tab though I hear it's fast...
Have you tried using a different launcher than stock Touchwiz? Launcher Pro or ADW should both give you improvements in performance.
That so many people's first experiences with it are probably as a demo unit, I can see why they say it doesn't feel as smooth as an iPad.
Aye, you can swap launchers and tweak settings.
But most stores have them running loaded up with widgets, running some livewallpaper, and touchwiz. It IS jerky. Or rather, not as smooth as the iPad.
Ok, so the job still gets done, and as a techy myself, I'm happy with what's doable, but that perception amongst most users is that it's not as smooth as it could be seems to be an obvious win if they can sort it out.
Even on the Tab, bringing the Notifiction bar down; sure it's fast enough, but it doesn't animate as it scrolls down (though if it did, personally I'd want an option to turn that off so it insta dropped!).
That all the hardware coming out now has pretty decent openGL support now, I can see that'll be the main thing in future UI improvements, moving more of it to hardware acceleration. I get a feeling that it's all being done in software.
It can only get better from here. A bit of polish on the first thing most users will see will be hugely beneficial later.
I find almost all of the above judgements entirely false. The OS workd perfectlyt for me without any lag or any kind of lag fixes. Im on JK5.
All it takes is a few shrewd decisions on the software that you use with the OS. My browser doesnt lag - I use the Fennec nighly builds which are silky smooth with opengl rendering and without.
I have removed bloatware and services that clog up the purity of googles stock 2.2.
I do use a task manager to kill certain services on a selewctive basis.
I get 2 days light use out of it, which is just fine!
And there is never any lag anywhere.
Now i must say that i am really bugged out about this Tab, it is super slick, the screen and the form factor is nice, the internals are great ( much the same as the new google developer phone, that should be good?) but still this thing runs poorly on froyo 2.2. Really i dont see people saying this is acceptable, since i really dont think it is, i dont mean to flame, since i love android and phones in generel, but even my Htc hd2 had smoother performance than the tab, i find that hard to be true.
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This is acceptable.
There, I said it. I find it to be perfectly smooth, not sure why you're having a problem with it.
Use DolphinHD as the browser as it offers far more functionality than the default, and use ADW or LauncherPro as the homescreen as they both offer more functionality and better performance than the default.
As mentioned, gingerbread will offer a performance increase, but it's unlikely to be significant. It's entirely possible that Samsung will never port Honeycomb to the tab as they'll want to use it as a selling point for the Galaxy Tab 2 when it eventually comes out (and who knows when that'll be), the future is most likely going to come from custom ROMs if you want to improve the device as it stands.
I always purchase hardware with what CAN be done with it in mind, not what MIGHT be done to it in the future. Hoping for upgrades is a waste of energy, if you don't like the hardware in its initial state, or a state that you can transform it to straight away (rooting it, flashing already available ROMs etc) then don't purchase it, simple as that.
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As mentioned, gingerbread will offer a performance increase, but it's unlikely to be significant. It's entirely possible that Samsung will never port Honeycomb to the tab as they'll want to use it as a selling point for the Galaxy Tab 2 when it eventually comes out (and who knows when that'll be), the future is most likely going to come from custom ROMs if you want to improve the device as it stands.
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Well, by the time the Galaxy Tab 2 comes out, I would think Samsung would stop officially selling the Galaxy Tab 1 so it wouldn't matter if the Tab1 had Honeycomb or not. Its' not like it would be cutting into Galaxy Tab 2 sales.
well im glad some have good experiences with the web and smoothness of the device, i think i forgot to say that i am currenty on stock rom as i bought it, i read that there is some good performance improvements in the leaked firmware updates, still i would wait rooting, doing all that stuff untill things settle down a bit, it all seems confusing to me atm ( maybe it just is more complicated compared to winmo, htc hd2).
Well reading about the newer firmware out there got me in a better mood, knowing that samsung knows that things are not right yet is very comforting, i mean, i would assume all tabs sold in Denmark have the same firmware as mine, and that means bad performance compared to even the galaxy s, that is not acceptable, not at all.
Saying that this is a phone os and so on and therefore things dont run as expected. is neither acceptable since it should not run worse on a bigger device, i mean android do not discriminate? I am not looking for Ipad performance, since i got one in the household, and i still prefer using the tab, even though browsing is better on Safari (Flash dont work properly atm, rather just use the new youtubeclient, which i enjoy except the quality should be higher( proberly will be in time)
It is great to read your comments, gotta love xda
even if they stop selling galaxy tab 1, if they did release honeycomb into tab 1, people would hold onto their tab 1 if there's no significant upgrade on hardware
but if they dare only giving honeycomb onto tab 2, some people would definitely jump onto tab 2 for sure
It is never ending search for perfection that does not exist.
Something will come tomorrow with better CPU/GPU/screen.....
My experience is good enough. I turned of animation - major cause of lags, left one widget. Everything works just fine for my taste.
Hmm well is that fine Having to turn of animations and not use widgets? i just hope we will see custom roms with newer versions. What firmware v. are you using?
I'm really thinking about trying newer builds
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I still don't get the "lag"that everyone is noticing.I'm using dolphin HD and it's perfectly smooth for me. I did root and lagfix, not sure if that is the difference.
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Gingerbread actually does have some performance improvements imho. Running it on my nexus one and the screen transitions have improved over Froyo (dare I say - as silky smooth as on the ipad? ). So I would expect the Tab to feel a bit slicker too once it gets some Gingerbread love. Personally, I'm not finding the Tab to be sluggish at all. Running Launcher Pro, JM6 firmware, Miren browser, a few widgets, tons of apps, no live wallpaper, and it's all very smooth.
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Cool good to know about the perf improvement
Sad to see the ipad is still "the" reference
Hey Folks. Just wanted to know if anyone else has experienced this after rooting. After root I thought it might have been a placebo effect, but my desktop scrolling is definitely smoother. I'm not saying that it flies, but it definitely takes less effort to swipe and there's less lag. Anyone else?
I believe I'm experiencing the same effect. ESP with my keyboard lag being better. Could just be a plecibo effect. Or the factory reset as opposed to root actually doing anything
The answer is no (rooting is just a file on the filesystem)
No relation (unless you did some modification).
You are experiencing placebo.
i think we're just getting used to the speed. going back to my tf and i notice how fast it feels now.
there is no way for rooting to affect performance. what will make the lag better is when we start seeing custom kernels and custom ROMS. The tiamat kernel running at 1.4Ghz completely eliminated lag on my XOOM.
Placebo effect it is then...I still think it's gliding along better though
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Placebo effect it is then...I still think it's gliding along better though
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Nahhhh After playing with an iPad today at the mall it makes my former Asus and current Samsung seem like molasses left outside in the Alaskan winter for 3 weeks! It's shocking how smooth IOS is vs. the competition but I still prefer my Samsung (admittedly I do have an iPhone but can't stand Apple as a company).
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Nahhhh After playing with an iPad today at the mall it makes my former Asus and current Samsung seem like molasses left outside in the Alaskan winter for 3 weeks! It's shocking how smooth IOS is vs. the competition but I still prefer my Samsung (admittedly I do have an iPhone but can't stand Apple as a company).
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This is exactly how I feel.
The iPad is smooth and fluid because it isn't doing anything. There's no real multitasking or things running in the background. No widgets. Etc. It's easy to make an OS run smoothly when it's only doing one thing because it's so locked down.
Hey all,
I pulled the trigger on the Tab 7.7 as a daily phone and tablet, which is great, I don't really mind the size.
BUT, I only have 3 home screens, with tons of widgets, and switching to the App drawer, or hitting the + next to App, and going from a running app to home screen is super laggy for me.
Anyone else?
I blame TouchWiz.
Yeah, I changed the launcher on mine, put SPB Shell 3D, and its a lot smoother, ADWLaunhcer EX, is great also
No Lag, Just Extremely Fast
I don't use Touch Wiz, I prefer Go Launcher EX.
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Hey all,
I pulled the trigger on the Tab 7.7 as a daily phone and tablet, which is great, I don't really mind the size.
BUT, I only have 3 home screens, with tons of widgets, and switching to the App drawer, or hitting the + next to App, and going from a running app to home screen is super laggy for me.
Anyone else?
I blame TouchWiz.
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Tons of widgets will slow down your interface.
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I blame TouchWiz.
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Yeah basically. I use ADW EX. It is smoother than an iPad really. I tried SPB Shell 3D, but honestly, it can't even touch ADW EX.
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Tons of widgets will slow down your interface.
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That might be but it is much more evident in Honeycomb. If I run the same widgets on my Tab 7.7 than I did on my SGS2 its super laggy. My SGS2 did it no prob..
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I think TW definitely adds to the lag but I have not worked on any Honeycomb tab (Acer, Asus Transformer, Zoom) that did not lag.
The Transformer Prime did a good job to get fairly responsive with minor lag but with Tegra3 you would expect it to be a lot smoother
And as early reviews indicate after the Prime was updated with ICS it is a lot more responsive.
Lets hope the tab 7.7 get ICS soon. At the rate Samsung is updating compared to other manufacturers now it looks like they will be last again..
Maans
Thanks for all the great responses. I think I'll try ADW, judging from what's happening now.
Yes, I agree too that a ton of widgets on normal phones doesn't really effect performance like it does on this Honeycomb.
I guess, a 3rd party launcher will have to do, whilst waiting for ICS.
I actually prefer TW to Go ex launcher. It is just personal preference though.
can you use exlauncher on this tab?
Im currently waiting for TSF Shell Pro to be released, should be soon I think.
http://www.tsfui.com/shell/
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The Transformer Prime did a good job to get fairly responsive with minor lag but with Tegra3 you would expect it to be a lot smoother
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Why does everybody think that quadcore is automatically faster than dualcore? That's rubbish and wrong and I bet that our 7.7 is -if at all - not more than 10% slower than the Prime.
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Why does everybody think that quadcore is automatically faster than dualcore? That's rubbish and wrong and I bet that our 7.7 is -if at all - not more than 10% slower than the Prime.
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Much agreed. Having played with a Prime in a store, and compared the 7.7 right next to it, honestly my 7.7 felt at least as fast, if not faster, than the prime, especially when web browsing. Scrolling and zooming on the 7.7 was consistently faster and smoother.
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Im currently waiting for TSF Shell Pro to be released, should be soon I think.
http://www.tsfui.com/shell/
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How is the experience on the 7.7? Is it like a big phone, or is the UI also optimized for a full tablet experience too?
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How is the experience on the 7.7? Is it like a big phone, or is the UI also optimized for a full tablet experience too?
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Like a small tablet rather than a big phone. That's not always a good thing--some of the UI elements are a bit smaller than they should be. In comparison, Gingerbread on my 1st Gen Galaxy Tab makes it feel like a big phone at times, but the UI elements are nice and large.
Touchwiz is nice looking, but is a bit more laggy than Go Launcher Ex and ADW Launcher Ex. But neither of the latter two resolve all of the lag issues. I believe that the problem is really with Honeycomb.
Still, loving my 7.7. (Though I'm looking forward to loving it even more with Icecream Sandwich.)
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Like a small tablet rather than a big phone. That's not always a good thing--some of the UI elements are a bit smaller than they should be. In comparison, Gingerbread on my 1st Gen Galaxy Tab makes it feel like a big phone at times, but the UI elements are nice and large.
Touchwiz is nice looking, but is a bit more laggy than Go Launcher Ex and ADW Launcher Ex. But neither of the latter two resolve all of the lag issues. I believe that the problem is really with Honeycomb.
Still, loving my 7.7. (Though I'm looking forward to loving it even more with Icecream Sandwich.)
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Good to know! Thanks for the feedback
Currently using ADW EX personally, and to be honest, I'm kinda confused about this lag everyone keeps going on about...
I mean, ok, my homescreen may take half a second the re-draw the widgets when I come back to it from another application or whatever, but after that, it's lightning quick and buttery smooth! Seriously, side-by-side, my 7.7 has put an iPad 2 to shame in terms of quickness and smoothness...
I'm beginning to wonder if I got a different piece of hardware than everyone else here
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Good to know! Thanks for the feedback
Currently using ADW EX personally, and to be honest, I'm kinda confused about this lag everyone keeps going on about...
I mean, ok, my homescreen may take half a second the re-draw the widgets when I come back to it from another application or whatever, but after that, it's lightning quick and buttery smooth! Seriously, side-by-side, my 7.7 has put an iPad 2 to shame in terms of quickness and smoothness...
I'm beginning to wonder if I got a different piece of hardware than everyone else here
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You are welcome. I have some but not a lot of experience with the ipad so it's hard to compare. For all I know, it could just be unreasonable expectations on my own part.
BUT, there definitely are more small waits (usually no more than 1 sec) here and there, especially during transition events (redrawing the homescreen, shifting from one app to another, sometimes, even just calling up the app drawer from homescreen, from pressing the icon to the gmail/email app being ready for use). And I am comparing my experience with the 7.7 with Gingerbread running on both my 1 Gen Galaxy Tab and my HTC HD2. I think this says a lot considering that the 7.7 packs a much faster processor. Still, having said all that, I also feel that the device is very, very fast and smooth *in general*. Just not as *finished* as one might have been led to expect given the hardware.
After mucking around both Go and ADW, I decided to settle on Go for the moment. Though ADW feels marginally faster, I like Go's app drawer features better, and the ABlack theme icons.
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You are welcome. I have some but not a lot of experience with the ipad so it's hard to compare. For all I know, it could just be unreasonable expectations on my own part.
BUT, there definitely are more small waits (usually no more than 1 sec) here and there, especially during transition events (redrawing the homescreen, shifting from one app to another, sometimes, even just calling up the app drawer from homescreen, from pressing the icon to the gmail/email app being ready for use). And I am comparing my experience with the 7.7 with Gingerbread running on both my 1 Gen Galaxy Tab and my HTC HD2. I think this says a lot considering that the 7.7 packs a much faster processor. Still, having said all that, I also feel that the device is very, very fast and smooth *in general*. Just not as *finished* as one might have been led to expect given the hardware.
After mucking around both Go and ADW, I decided to settle on Go for the moment. Though ADW feels marginally faster, I like Go's app drawer features better, and the ABlack theme icons.
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I think it's probably unreasonable to expect that applications are loaded and available the instant you call them to attention, especially if they haven't been used in a while and their state isn't pre-cached. You're always going to have some kind of a delay there regardless. Also, Honeycomb addresses a completely different API layer for apps than Gingerbread does, so with more functionality and complexity, comes more loading time. This is to be expected. ICS should, however, streamline the whole caching, loading, and multitasking business overall once it's released for the 7.7
Perhaps the real issue here is a question of interpretation, and what we both consider to be "lag." From what I understand, you consider lag to be the time it takes for programs to load up and be usable, or the time it takes for them to be usable when switching between multiple apps. In this sense, yes, there is always a delay between apps, but nothing unexpected (in my opinion), and nothing which I would consider to be unacceptable. Being able to switch between multiple apps and never having to wait more than 1 second, at most, before being able to use them, is not something worth complaining about I think.
What I consider to be lag is more a question of generally how smooth and responsive the UI is overall. In this sense, I basically haven't encountered any lag at all, with perhaps the only exception being during the half or second or so it takes ADW EX to re-draw my homescreen. Aside from that, screen transitions are quick and smooth, web browsing is responsive and fluid, and all other aspects of navigating my 7.7 are quick and efficient.
So I tried Launcher Pro, ADW Launcher, Go Launcher (all free versions) and I found that pre-installed widgets like Buddy or other smaller widgets (not the clock/calender) look horrible. As if they are in the wrong resolution.
Does ADW EX fix that?
Which launcher have you guys found to be fast, whilst keeping close to the original Honeycomb experience.
To whoever was asking, no this doesn't feel like a big phone, it feels like a small tablet which has the ability to make calls.
I still get ridiculed from time-to-time when answering the phone at lunch because I choose not to trouble myself with a bluetooth.
But the best thing is, I don't need to carry a phone and a tablet around now.
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Perhaps the real issue here is a question of interpretation, and what we both consider to be "lag." From what I understand, you consider lag to be the time it takes for programs to load up and be usable, or the time it takes for them to be usable when switching between multiple apps. In this sense, yes, there is always a delay between apps, but nothing unexpected (in my opinion), and nothing which I would consider to be unacceptable. Being able to switch between multiple apps and never having to wait more than 1 second, at most, before being able to use them, is not something worth complaining about I think.
What I consider to be lag is more a question of generally how smooth and responsive the UI is overall. In this sense, I basically haven't encountered any lag at all, with perhaps the only exception being during the half or second or so it takes ADW EX to re-draw my homescreen. Aside from that, screen transitions are quick and smooth, web browsing is responsive and fluid, and all other aspects of navigating my 7.7 are quick and efficient.
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That sounds eminently reasonable Indeed, as long as the app is up and running, then the UI is generally very smooth and responsive.
But now I'm curious--earlier, you said "Seriously, side-by-side, my 7.7 has put an iPad 2 to shame in terms of quickness and smoothness..." So it is your experience that the ipad 2 is actually more laggy compared to the 7.7 in the sense as defined? (I'm a little surprised.)
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That sounds eminently reasonable Indeed, as long as the app is up and running, then the UI is generally very smooth and responsive.
But now I'm curious--earlier, you said "Seriously, side-by-side, my 7.7 has put an iPad 2 to shame in terms of quickness and smoothness..." So it is your experience that the ipad 2 is actually more laggy compared to the 7.7 in the sense as defined? (I'm a little surprised.)
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I suppose I should be specific here. As popular as it is, the iPad 2 is not the holy grail of perfection that everyone may think it is. Quite to the contrary in fact. It just so happens that Apple is very good at either outright hiding or distract in the user from any would-be imperfections. See, Apple would rather NOT push the boundaries of the hardware capabilities for the sake of forcing a more consistence experience.
I have never owned, nor would I, any Apple product, period... ever. So, my experiences with the iPad 2 have been limited to display devices in retail location and hands-on time with any of the ones owned by family members.
Some examples of where I would consider my 7.7 to be either faster, smoother, or generally better than the iPad 2 would include:
Homescreen UI:
ADW EX vs iOS
I love ADW EX on the tablet. It's simple, it's customizable, and it's FAST!! It also happens to be hardware accelerated, which helps with the points I just mentioned. Why do I feel this beats the pants off of iOS's homescreen? Simple. It manages to consistently pump out 60 frames a second, making screen transitions and finger response smooth as silk.
"So what? iOS does that too on the iPad 2."
Yeah, but my 7.7 running ADW EX manages 60 fps all while running active widgets, live background, and 3D transition effects between screens. All iOS is doing is moving a bunch of icons from page to page in front of a static background. Not hard to do really, so the 60 fps figure doesn't impress me that much. Besides, if all we're doing is moving application icons across the screen at 60 frames a second, my ADW EX app drawer does that too...
This bring up my earlier point about how Apple won't push the boundaries. It's entirely possible that Android running on the iPad 2 would not yield the same quality experience.
Either way, win for 7.7!
Angry birds:
I know, this seems like a strange category, but seeing as it's the only cross-platform game I have played on both devices, it's all I have to go on.
Anyway, the Android version of Angry Birds on my 7.7 runs very smoothly at 60 frames a second, whereas the iOS version of Angry Brids on the iPad 2 seems to run at a much lower framerate for some reason. It may not me noticeable on its own, but comparing the two side by side, the difference is night and day. The iPad version appears very choppy next to my 7.7. It remains consistent, and thus it's still very playable, but my 7.7 not only is equally consistent, but at a smoother higher framerate, it is more enjoyable.
Web browsing:
Now, here's the category which I have to say is the closest one to call personally.
For starters, I should point out that I use Dolphin Browser for pad (beta) on my 7.7 instead of the stock browser. I generally prefer its interface, and it's a shame that the Dolphin team hasn't continued to develop this tablet specific version of their browser.
Anyway, getting back on track here, assuming that the desktop agent is being used on both devices (so that they both go to the desktop versions of the same websites), performance may vary depending on where you're going. The iPad will manage to best the 7.7 in terms of consistency in its performance no matter where you go. Scrolling and zooming will be consistently responsive and smooth. This may not always be the case with the 7.7, especially on the YouTube home page. But that is about the only place I have experienced any kind of slowdown.
On my 7.7, for the most part (with only the occasional slowdown), my browsing experience remains at least as smooth as what I have seen on any iPad, and that's just while it's doing the same level of Java and HTML5 that the iPad does. Add to that by enabling Flash content, while playing a 1080p video on the same web page, and still the 7.7 doesn't miss a beat!? Then you really start to realize what a monster this thing is...
Win for 7.7 again!
P.S. My 7.7 has been consistently scoring 111,000 and above in browsermark. Yeah, it's a beast.