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Hi there,
I recently obtained my XDA Exec (complete with loud rattle) from o2 as a sweetener prior to putting in a large corporate order but have been getting annoyed with the following problems:
1) UTMS Reception is poor and chops and changes between UTMS and GPRS regularly
2) On Video Calling a friend they recieve a loud high pitched whine from my handset. Whereas whenever they phone me everything goes swimmingly.
3) Pronounced rattle within the main body of the handset (at the camera end)
4) WMV audio / video playback is jerky
5) Not being able to properly terminate closed programs
6) Delay in opening programs / files
7) Cannot get a wifi connection with my Linksys router, works with other routers / access points.
8) Does not work with GoToMyPC PocketView (Citrix)
9) No way of viewing flash (swf) content.
All this and I'm running it in corporate mode.
ROM ver: 1.13.48 WWE
ROM date: 09/19/05
Radio ver: 1.04.02
Protocol ver: 42.37.P8
ExtROM ver: 1.13.139 WWE
Not chuffed in the slightest so any suggestions greatly recieved.
3rd Party Software:
SPB Pocket Plus 3.0.4, Build 4195 (Device Install)
SPB GPRS Monitor (Device Install)
Resco File Explorer 2005 v5.21 (Device Install)
ClearView PDF (SD Install)
TomTom Navigator 5.10 (SD & Device Install)
Pocket ScreenShot (SD Install)
vxUtil (SD Install)
OS GPS Convertor (SD Install)
CE Manager (GPS) (SD Install)
stickeresq said:
Hi there,
I recently obtained my XDA Exec (complete with loud rattle) from o2 as a sweetener prior to putting in a large corporate order but have been getting annoyed with the following problems:
1) UTMS Reception is poor and chops and changes between UTMS and GPRS regularly
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I think O2's 3G network has piss-poor coverage at the moment. This may not be the Exec's fault.
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3) Pronounced rattle within the main body of the handset (at the camera end)
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Sounds like a problem with your handset. Mine is wonderfully solid and rattle-free. Feels much better than my XDA2 was.
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4) WMV audio / video playback is jerky
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WMP seems to be poor on WM5 so you may find the freeware media player TCPMP much more capable.
stickeresq said:
5) Not being able to properly terminate closed programs
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This is a feature of Windows Mobile that seems to really annoy some people. WM is designed to minimise programs rather than close them, and it handles the memory management itself depending on system resources. If you can overcome the need to 'close' (terminate) programs yourself and just let the OS handle it then you may find that the machine works perfectly and is more responsive as a result. I don't think it's an accident that MS designed it this way. My machine runs just fine if I use it as MS intended, but I agree that it's preferable sometimes to know that you've freed up all the memory from a bloaty app after you've finished with it.
stickeresq said:
6) Delay in opening programs / files
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See point 5
stickeresq said:
3rd Party Software:
SPB Pocket Plus 3.0.4, Build 4195 (Device Install)
SPB GPRS Monitor (Device Install)
Resco File Explorer 2005 v5.21 (Device Install)
ClearView PDF (SD Install)
TomTom Navigator 5.10 (SD & Device Install)
Pocket ScreenShot (SD Install)
vxUtil (SD Install)
OS GPS Convertor (SD Install)
CE Manager (GPS) (SD Install)
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There's a lot of programs around at the moment that claim to be WM5-compatible, when in fact they are only tested to work on WM5; they haven't been designed for WM5. This, IMHO, is the factor that will have the biggest effect on the reliability and speed of your Exec. Try it without any 3rd-party software for a while and see how fast it is before you blame the Exec. For example, the latest version of PocketBreeze and PocketPlus claim to be WM5-compatible, but if I have them showing on my Today screen then I can be waiting up to 10 seconds for the password-entry screen to disappear and the Today screen to finish rendering after power-on of the Exec. If I remove these two plugins then my Exec is instantly usable when I turn it on.
I think the Universal gets a lot of criticism of its performance when in fact this is poorly-written 3rd-party software causing the problem (such as O2's InActive interface). If you can wait for fully-compatible (i.e. designed from the ground-up) software to be made available then you may find the machine works exactly as you'd expect.
Hope this helps.
Sounds like you were sent a refurbished handset.
They do it all the time as a matter of course - cuts costs.
And, no, they dont inform you of the fact prior and won't accept the fact post returning it and asking for another.
Depending on how numpty you get about it they will then either tell you they don't have anymore in stock ie. they have no NEW ones only REFURBISHED ones and will not give you an ETA on the replacement or assure you that they are shocked and concerned this is happening and send you another refurb. Just one thats less obviously knackered.
Oh, then they'll bill you for the one they sent originally and/or imply you have dropped or/broke it/damaged it and should pay for the replacement.
All of this will take several hours to conclude since you will be transferred, cut off, abused, hung up on and plain lied to by several different numpties at their call center. Then eventually, after faxing them half a dozen times and not being called back you will go to a competitor and if you're lucky, recieve marginally better service. Although this is currently somewhat unlikely.
Good eh?
Gubbs.
PS: If you can live without black reccommend the T-Mobile incarnation.
PPS: I am not bitter. Honest. :twisted:
A mixed response but cheers for the feedback! I would love to use it sans third party software but due to the requirements my career puts on my mobile devices / laptop I can't live without them. especially vxUtil and TomTom to get to the clients premises. I wonder what timescale Microsoft are toying with for pushing the SDK to software houses and hence getting a decent range of software out on the market.
I have to agree 100% with everything SiliconS said.
My 3G coverage is actually better than my 'normal' coverage on my T-Mobile simmed JasJar (which I assume is down to the number of users?)
Build quality is very good.
Can't say I use WMP, my entire audio/video library is on ogg and XVid, so TCPMP what I use, and it's perfect.
Using 'smart minimise' generally speeds things up, so there's no need to close everything all the time. It's how WM was designed, and I have no reason to assume I know any better than the designers.
The point about third-party software is the absolute number one cause of most people's problems around here. Developers SAY their software works on WM5, and that may indeed be true. But as far as I know, every single piece of software available on WM5 has actually been written for WM2003SE, and then modified to make it FUNCTION on WM5. None of it is really optimised for WM5 yet, and certainly none of it has been written specifically for WM5. Give it a bit of time, but for now, we're all running software which isn't really using the new OS properly...
The depressing thing is that the SDK for WM5 has been available for about 6 months, and it's only now that the first couple of devices are out, that the developers are bothering to update their software. It's like the X-Box 360 being released, but no-one's bothered to write software for it yet, so you have to use the old X-Box games on it while everyone catches up.....
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A mixed response but cheers for the feedback! I would love to use it sans third party software but due to the requirements my career puts on my mobile devices / laptop I can't live without them. especially vxUtil and TomTom to get to the clients premises. I wonder what timescale Microsoft are toying with for pushing the SDK to software houses and hence getting a decent range of software out on the market.
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TomTom 5.1 is one of the apps I use and - although it works - it doesn't display crisply and effortlessly in the way I'd expect: you can actually see it processing the rendering of icons, screen overlays, new screens etc. etc. and sure enough, TomTom BV don't claim that it's compatible. It works but not by design. I'd like to think that this is evidence that TomTom is taking seriously its obligation to rewrite the codebase to make it fully compatible, and that those of us who've got 5.1 working have just been lucky. Other developers and software houses may be so keen to get their program out there for us to use that they're cutting corners and making do.
The makers of Pocket Informant claim that their newest version is compatible with WM5, when in fact it has several serious shortcomings that make me think it's probably anything but. (For example, how the hell do I dial a number from the contacts list without getting the stylus out?) In stark contrast, DeveloperOne - makers of my PIM of choice: Agenda Fusion - have yet to release a WM5-compatible version and I hope this means they're taking its porting seriously and that when they do eventually release it, we'll be able to rely on it to perform perfectly and not affect the Exec's performance at all. Unfortunately they must be losing customers in the meantime who are so desperate to replace the default Microsoft PIM that they'll try alternatives like Pocket Informant, despite PI's obvious weaknesses in comparison IMO.
I won't be buying PocketBreeze or PocketPlus until they work without slowing down my Exec. I'll never be buying PocketInformant. I'll wait patiently to buy AgendaFusion, even more sure that I made the right decision to choose the version I used on my XDA2.
Sorry - I'm getting on my soapbox a bit here and it's not really relevant to your post. :roll:
If you suspect that your apps aren't fully WM5 compatible then you could try using WM5's task manager to close them after you've used them so there's no risk of them slowing down your machine. Otherwise I'd really recommend letting WM5 handle its memory. If you're using any non-compatible Today plugins then I'd definitely recommend you find a way to live without them for a while since they'll kill your Exec's performance and ruin your enjoyment of the machine.
And I'd agree with gubbs' comments too: it's unforgivable of O2 to send out refurbished machines to new customers while charging full whack for them. At the worst they could send out refurb units as insurance/warranty replacements but absolutely not for new customers. Their customer service is pants and the 3G coverage is weak. The Exec, however, is a very, very good machine and future ROM upgrades and better third-party software will bring the software up to spec too.
At least, I hope so....
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The point about third-party software is the absolute number one cause of most people's problems around here. Developers SAY their software works on WM5, and that may indeed be true. But as far as I know, every single piece of software available on WM5 has actually been written for WM2003SE, and then modified to make it FUNCTION on WM5. None of it is really optimised for WM5 yet, and certainly none of it has been written specifically for WM5. Give it a bit of time, but for now, we're all running software which isn't really using the new OS properly...
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Spot on.
Cheers fellas. If only other forums produced such informative and timely replies.
Keep up the good work as I remove half the cack from my exec.
Oh anyone sussed a registry hack to allow the macromedia flash active-x work yet ?
Just me being pernickety as ever.
SiliconS has made some very good comments...
I must admit I've previously been one of those people who insists on nothing I'm not currently using should still be running. I've always hated the idea of smart minimise, especially when looking at all the amount of memory shutting them down seems to free up. Though, SiliconS has made me think about that, and I'm going to give the smart minimise thing a try, see how it pans out. Of course there are some apps that don't actually HAVE an "Exit" or "Quit" option, and that's where the only genuinely useful bit of O2 kit - the Task Manager - comes in useful.
I'm otherwise very impressed with the Exec. Basic mode has all the things that I need in it, though I still mourn the loss of the memory slider function in WM2003 giving me nearly 70MB resources like the 2i gave me.
Ditto re 3rd party software. I don't use Pocket Plus now (despite buying it for the xda / xda2 / xda2i), and only have PocketZenPhone (essential), Total Remote, TCPMP and TomTom 5.1 installed. I find, for my needs, that the stock PIM and default programs are better in 05 than 03SE and will need to be persuaded otherwise before investing in more apps.
Ant
Anton.Valleyman said:
SiliconS has made some very good comments...
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Thanks Mr Valleyman. I think that's a first!
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I'm otherwise very impressed with the Exec. Basic mode has all the things that I need in it, though I still mourn the loss of the memory slider function in WM2003 giving me nearly 70MB resources like the 2i gave me.
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This is a function of the hardware, I think. There's no longer a single RAM whose allocation you can affect with the slider. On the plus side we now have persistent memory! Again, though, while it's reassuring to maximise the available system resources that the Exec reports and to see a nice big number like that, I've seen mine down as low as just 1MB program memory available and it's all still functioned perfectly. If WM5 needs more memory then it closes something in the background to get some.
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Ditto re 3rd party software. I don't use Pocket Plus now (despite buying it for the xda / xda2 / xda2i), and only have PocketZenPhone (essential), Total Remote, TCPMP and TomTom 5.1 installed. I find, for my needs, that the stock PIM and default programs are better in 05 than 03SE and will need to be persuaded otherwise before investing in more apps.
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We have almost the same list of apps! Mad.
Yesterday I uninstalled PocketInformant in frustration at its clunky interface and so I'm back to using the default PIM. I'm reminded how basic and featureless it really is. I've just entered all the flights for a round-the-world holiday in February and on the week view all I see are a bunch of coloured blocks when there's so much potential to write some text in the blocks to show at a glance what they represent. Can't wait for AgendaFusion. I'd forgotten how much I depended on it.
Anyway, another thread hijack begins. :roll: Sorry stickeresq.
Since this has always been a "hot topic" on this forum, I have a simple question for all you Magician users.
What are the top 3 reasons you want it / don't want it for Magician.
Here's mine to start you off:
1. I don't want to be left behind
2. New Mobile 5 looks better
3. I want to be able to use charts in Pocket Excel
Let's avoid the WM5 upgrade saga again. We know we won't get an upgrade for Magician. Well, not until May at any rate. (!)
OK - Here's my why not:
1. WM2003SE is stable
2. It already does what I want
3. I can wait till I'm due for an upgrade from my network.
No WM5,
1. 2003 is stable
2. the screen is too small for specials
3. I can wait for a new provider offer (WM5 should be stable by then)
Why not WM5:
1. It's a lot slower, especially at starting programs
2. Not all software is yet WM5 compatible.
3. You have to buy the latest versions of many of your software to have it WM5 compatible. Most updates are not for free.
4. The Magician just doesn't have enough ROM to run WM5 properly
I can't think of any compelling reasons to switch to WM5 that are of a positive significance (btw, I can't count to 3):
-CF 2 works on both.
-Security signing is a pain in the bottom.
-It's slower.
-Ok it has some useful networking functions, but it loses wifi Activesyncing. WTF? Not to mention ActiveSync.
-WM5 interface, perhaps the most potentially useful idea with the softkeys, but inconsistent execution. And I have some ideas about bringing some of the benefits to Wm2003.
-I have the Magician and the Universal. I was just telling my better half about the Universal users' experience with dropping phone calls being able to answer. It's a beautiful device, but once again, what were they on?
Ok, too many others, I'm starting to http://www.ladyofthecake.com/mel/space/images/alien.jpg]sweat and convulse[/url]. Better stop for now.
V
With a device like the Magician where the size is more phone-ish than pda-ish, I'd be inclined to say that most people use it primarily is a mobile phone with the additional functionality of a PDA, MP3 player, etc.
I upgraded to the HTC Prophet just because I want to have the latest. But now that I had it for over 2 to 3 weeks I can say that I would never switch back to WM2003. Single-handed operation with WM5 is very easy, intuitive and practical to say the least.
And when the battery is really low, like less than 30%, I feel safer listenening to the last few MP3s, knowing that I will not lose anything when the battery goes flat.
With regards to performance, I find it suprising how people find loading prorams on Wm5 noticeably slower than WM2003. I was using my old magician yesterday and the performance is just about the same. Th onlt thing I found slower on WM5 is changing the SIP.
Plus, WM5 can do without 3rd party programs like Caller Id, Photo Contacts, etc. cause they are all integrated with the OS. For example, there were times when a picture that I assign to a contact won't show up during a call with the Magician. This never happened to me since I started using WM5. And since contact pictures are synchronised with Outlook I don't need to re-assign them again after a hard-reset.
Finally regarding stability, yes there is software that is not compatible with WM5 yet, but most of the best software is already compatible. I'm using the following software and never had to reset my PPC:
SPB Diary
Resco File Exporer 5
psShutXp
Hitchhiker
MDict
TKCreator
MS Voice Command
and a couple of games
Personally, I think it's quite a stable platform. The only thing that annoys me is that sometimes Wm5 (or the Prophet) loses the storage card after being on standby, and the media stored on it is not always immediately available. You'd have to wait those 3 sec sometimes. But this will hopefully be fixed in the next ROM update. If not, I'm still happy with the overall package
Just my 2cents!
Meh.
Hokay. Regarding WM5... I have never come across an OS that actually requires a file that YOU OWN signed by an EXTERNAL AUTHORITY instead of yourself, and that purposefully ignoring this warning to install said files doesn't necessarily mean it won't be blocked when you try to run it (goodbye backward compat). I thought this technology was strictly for web only.
Stick to WM2003, at least it has the decency to trust its own owner. -.-'
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Hokay. Regarding WM5... I have never come across an OS that actually requires a file that YOU OWN signed by an EXTERNAL AUTHORITY instead of yourself, and that purposefully ignoring this warning to install said files doesn't necessarily mean it won't be blocked when you try to run it (goodbye backward compat). I thought this technology was strictly for web only. '
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I dont understand - what situation is this coming up?
Well, I have some games on my O2 Xda mini. I tried transferring them to my sister's new Atom.
Message I got from installing was the generic 'this program is not signed by a trusted source'. I ignored it and installed anyway.
But when I tried to run it, guess what? 'Program cannot be run because it is either not signed with a trusted certificate or some files are missing. Please reinstall...'. This was from an installer works perfectly on my Mini.
Did some research, Win Mobile 5.0 will also generate this error when you attempt to execute something with a DOS parameter at the back. It also blocks stuff that do not require installation; Scummvm 8.0 was halted with the same error message. I know the latest Windows OS's have File Execution Prevention but it was never as anal and obnoxious as to go 'I do not want to let it run. So there. Nyah.'
Seeking the Caller ID (Photo Contacts)
kta said:
Plus, WM5 can do without 3rd party programs like Caller Id, Photo Contacts, etc. cause they are all integrated with the OS. For example, there were times when a picture that I assign to a contact won't show up during a call with the Magician.
Just my 2cents!
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When I was using the I-Mate Jam (Magician) I really liked the "Photo Contacts" program they had, which was actually "Caller ID 1.6" allegedly from IA Styles of late. But it cannot seem to be found anywhere. I have looked from freeware sites to pirate sites and cannot find it. I downloaded and used "Photo Contacts 4.1" for a pretty penny, but it did not allow for animated .gif contact images. I REALLY liked that. Does anyone know where this program can be found? Can any of you remove and distribute it from your phone or from a ROM?
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When I was using the I-Mate Jam (Magician) I really liked the "Photo Contacts" program they had, which was actually "Caller ID 1.6" allegedly from IA Styles of late. But it cannot seem to be found anywhere. I have looked from freeware sites to pirate sites and cannot find it. I downloaded and used "Photo Contacts 4.1" for a pretty penny, but it did not allow for animated .gif contact images. I REALLY liked that. Does anyone know where this program can be found? Can any of you remove and distribute it from your phone or from a ROM?
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Why don't you download it from the xdadevs FTP server? There are the ExtRoms for Magician with the cab files.
But be careful, you seem to run a WM5 device, it might not run (and force you to hard reset)
Actually WM6
In reality I have upgraded my system to WM6 Pro now and I will let you all know how loading this cab on my Hermes does with WM6. I loved this program when it was running on my Magician (which I gave away to my friend/biz partner) and have tried Photo Contacts Pro 4.yada.yada, and was not happy with THAT. Even got a refund.
Thanks a bunch Dude
Only took a minute
I found it right where you said I would and downloaded it and installed it and soft reset and . . . when I tried to asign a photo it got a headache and gave me a message about being unable to use the program for somereason.
I unistalled it from the system and did another soft reset and while I don't have menu access to assign photos, I can open the edit screen on a contact and assign a photo there.
Maybe I should reload the program again and try accessing it from the Edit screen too? We shall see.
Otherwise, I think I shall attempt installing it on my wife's Blue Angel.
littld said:
We know we won't get an upgrade for Magician. Well, not until May at any rate. (!)
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what makes you think we will get an upgrade then ???
sorry n00b magician owner here only had it for a week
any tips?
Greatest 'Photo Contacts' ever
I installed the photo contacts on my wifes Blue Angel - WM2003 - and it was excellent - I only wish someone could make the same program work on my Hermes with WM6. It has the unique ability to use animated .gif images and I LOVE THAT!!!
If anyone could pull this one off I would be overjoyed. I have attached the version with which I am familiar. And if you can't make it work for WM6 - or WM5 - it already works on WM2003 really well. I have loaded it on a couple of Wallabies, a Magician with a new ROM and a Blue Angel - all with great joy in its application.
TIA,
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Let's avoid the WM5 upgrade saga again. We know we won't get an upgrade for Magician. Well, not until May at any rate. (!)
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what's happening in may!!!!!
why dont we have it yet?
PharaohSam said:
what's happening in may!!!!!
why dont we have it yet?
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As we can clearly see and hear from this video, there will be rain in may!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKKCmNVISwQ
"Rain in May, wipes your worries away"...
Many users, including Kevin Rose from Digg.com, have dumped Windows Mobile phones for the sake of other platforms, because they had impression that these phones are slow, much too slow. This impression results from the fact that in Windows Mobile Pocket PC edition applications continue running in the background after user pressed (i.e. tapped with stylus) "X" button of the given program. This is counter-intuitive and makes people think that applications were closed. Big number of applications running in background, of which users are unaware, results in slow operation.
"HTC X-Button" application is included in latest Pocket PC phones manufactured by HTC and recently it even surfaced on the Internet in form of "HTC X-Button.CAB" file, that can be installed:
... and can run in any Pocket PC device (no just HTC-manufactured):
Unfortunately due to legal reasons we cannot publish "HTC X-Button.CAB" application, but we hereby ask developers to develop similar (or the same) program! HTC has proven that not only it is possible but also, that such program works in non-HTC manufactured Pocket PC phones (we tested it). It is not for us to judge how difficult it is to develop such application, but certainly for sure it is possible as HTC shows.
By the way: it is worth noticing that HTC really cares about customer satisfaction because it includes this HTC X-Button application with their latest Pocket PC phones. Such (at first glance) small things really make a difference...
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who can get it ?
digifan said:
Many users, including Kevin Rose from Digg.com, have dumped Windows Mobile phones for the sake of other platforms, because they had impression that these phones are slow, much too slow. This impression results from the fact that in Windows Mobile Pocket PC edition applications continue running in the background after user pressed (i.e. tapped with stylus) "X" button of the given program. This is counter-intuitive and makes people think that applications were closed. Big number of applications running in background, of which users are unaware, results in slow operation.
"HTC X-Button" application is included in latest Pocket PC phones manufactured by HTC and recently it even surfaced on the Internet in form of "HTC X-Button.CAB" file, that can be installed:
... and can run in any Pocket PC device (no just HTC-manufactured):
Unfortunately due to legal reasons we cannot publish "HTC X-Button.CAB" application, but we hereby ask developers to develop similar (or the same) program! HTC has proven that not only it is possible but also, that such program works in non-HTC manufactured Pocket PC phones (we tested it). It is not for us to judge how difficult it is to develop such application, but certainly for sure it is possible as HTC shows.
By the way: it is worth noticing that HTC really cares about customer satisfaction because it includes this HTC X-Button application with their latest Pocket PC phones. Such (at first glance) small things really make a difference...
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i have it runnig in my wizard .i have extrated from another device rom.nice
but is integrated in the rom.as soon i got time i will make a cab.
i also got htc backup but is not runnig yet.
Which device did you get it from? Herald?
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Which device did you get it from? Herald?
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funny enough it was from a prophet rom.
Which ROM? I would also like to extract this application.
This HTC app is nothing new. There are plenty other legal free and commercial task managers out there.
Here is an excellent example: MagicButton.
It lets you close apps by clicking the X as well as switch between apps like Alt + TAB on PC.
There is also WizBar and SPB TodayPlus etc.
There is no need to extract anything from ROM or to re-invent the wheel (unless you wont to hone your programming skills).
Also I am quite curios as to how MS will respond to this move. According to a blog of one of their developers (don't remember the link now) they care about this "smart-minimize" crap so much, at first they didn't let manufacturers add any app in to ROM that had as much as an EXIT option in the menu. According to them "user should not manage memory".
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This HTC app is nothing new. There are plenty other legal free and commercial task managers out there.
Here is an excellent example: MagicButton.
It lets you close apps by clicking the X as well as switch between apps like Alt + TAB on PC.
There is also WizBar and SPB TodayPlus etc.
There is no need to extract anything from ROM or to re-invent the wheel (unless you wont to hone your programming skills).
Also I am quite curios as to how MS will respond to this move. According to a blog of one of their developers (don't remember the link now) they care about this "smart-minimize" crap so much, at first they didn't let manufacturers add any app in to ROM that had as much as an EXIT option in the menu. According to them "user should not manage memory".
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is about choice and prefences.as how they will react? how do they do react to the stuff we been doing to roms for years in this site?
im suprised tey havent shut down this site yet! or maybe they are learning from it!!!!!!
Well there is a big difference between this site and a company like HTC.
After all this is an unofficial gathering of enthusiasts and MS probably doesn't want to come down to hard on potential consumers even when they tweak ROMs here and there.
HTC on the other hand is one of the largest mobile OEMs in the world that works closely with MS (according to an article I recently read) so it comes across as sort of betrayal, don't you think?
It is 110% right move for us users though.
I find closing applications to be slower than smart minimising them. A Microsoft blog I read when WM5 was launched specifically stated that devices work faster when minimising, providing you have suffecient program memory (not lacking on the Prophet). This is because understandebly Windows takes much longer to open an application than maximising it.
Once in while I just end all programs and give the phone a restart (power off and power on rather than soft reset).
Yes that is the theory, but note the providing you have sufficient program memory bit.
Media player alone when active can eat 5-7 MB (which is why I never use it).
Unfortunately program memory is still short since maximum devices have is "64 MB" which if you are very careful can leave you with 30MB free on the Prophet after reset.
Yes, maximizing apps is faster than loading, but MS forgot a critical point:
There is no easy way to switch between minimized apps built in to WM which only makes things worth. Once you minimize something not only does it keep taking memory, but you also need to go all the way through Settings->System->Memory->Running apps to reactivate or get rid of it.
Sorry to drag this thread towards an argument, but there is no question in my mind that this is one of those cases where MS made a huge mistake and instead of fixing it now trying to sell it as a "feature".
When WM OS runs out of memory, it automatically closes the unused (minimized) apps. It just sees no need to close them if there are unused RAM available anyway, so apps are "cached" in case they will be used again.
You can easely switch between "current set" of apps - just reduce the number of "fixed" icons in the start menu. I leave only Help there and entire Windows Start menu becomes a large MRU list, like on smartphones - and I easely use it to switch between active apps.
The problem of "running slow" lies with badly designed apps. Actually, application should never consume significant CPU resources when lieing in background, but some bad developers forget about this fact.
All built-in applications behave nice. I have a process CPU utilization viewer, and can easely see that these apps when minimized dont even use 1% of processor time.
I am happy to announce that that new FTouchSL 2.7 available for download now!
This version brings a lot of new functionality together with improved reliability and broken limitations of previous versions.
New features are:
* New gestures recognition engine introduced together with four additional gestures: Down-Left Slide, Down-Right Slide, Up-Left Slide and Up-Right Slide.
* Visual and sound notifications confirming assigned actions execution
* Settings export and import functionality
* Additional kinetic-scrolling parameters
* "Tasks switcher" plug-in added.
Improvements:
* Scrolling and kinetic-scrolling engines improved to scroll smoother in slow applications
* FTouchSL is now compatible with the Transcriber and Windows™ internal calibration utility
* Better VGA devices support (especially ETen devices)
Other changes:
* Fixed German and Russian translations
* Old gestures renamed:
o "UpDown" to "Down Slide"
o "DownUp" to "Up Slide"
o "LeftRight" to "Right Slide"
o "RightLeft" to "Left Slide"
In addition in this version we have fixed most of known bugs.
More details about new features can be found on the Product information page.
Registered customers can upgrade to this version free of charge:
- Download new version from Download page and install it.
- Request new license key in the Client area.
Small, fast, light, and best of all - all the feature improvements will make it all the better. Not to complain, so I won't!
Great work!!
i dont mean to nag, but this is technically advertising, as this is not freeware.
I know we do tend to tolerate more from senior members (selling old devices especially)
I have looked a couple of times but what do the program parameters have to do with anything? I can set up other stuff fine but jsut wanted to know what it was and how to use it. Thanks
fzzyrn said:
i dont mean to nag, but this is technically advertising, as this is not freeware.
I know we do tend to tolerate more from senior members (selling old devices especially)
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It may be an advertisement, but how long did the original free version sit on this forum, in fact it's still available. If you ask me, efrost has done excellent work here and if he wants to update us on newer versions, then I'm sure numerous people would be more than okay with it.
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I am happy to announce that that new FTouchSL 2.7 available for download now!
This version brings a lot of new functionality together with improved reliability and broken limitations of previous versions.
New features are:
* New gestures recognition engine introduced together with four additional gestures: Down-Left Slide, Down-Right Slide, Up-Left Slide and Up-Right Slide.
* Visual and sound notifications confirming assigned actions execution
* Settings export and import functionality
* Additional kinetic-scrolling parameters
* "Tasks switcher" plug-in added.
Improvements:
* Scrolling and kinetic-scrolling engines improved to scroll smoother in slow applications
* FTouchSL is now compatible with the Transcriber and Windows™ internal calibration utility
* Better VGA devices support (especially ETen devices)
Other changes:
* Fixed German and Russian translations
* Old gestures renamed:
o "UpDown" to "Down Slide"
o "DownUp" to "Up Slide"
o "LeftRight" to "Right Slide"
o "RightLeft" to "Left Slide"
In addition in this version we have fixed most of known bugs.
More details about new features can be found on the Product information page.
Registered customers can upgrade to this version free of charge:
- Download new version from Download page and install it.
- Request new license key in the Client area.
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Hey did you get the up-right and down-left from somewhere - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382375 j/k looks nice i think i might just have to buy it after all
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It may be an advertisement, but how long did the original free version sit on this forum, in fact it's still available. If you ask me, efrost has done excellent work here and if he wants to update us on newer versions, then I'm sure numerous people would be more than okay with it.
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i agree cause after all this fourm is about sharing ideas or products
I love it! Thanks!
Its okay if efrost advertise his application because he has made the free version already for us..the previous version..and I really appreciated it..anyway without advertising this site will be boring since you won't find out about new products and applications..just my 2 cent
theme freak said:
Its okay if efrost advertise his application because he has made the free version already for us..the previous version..and I really appreciated it..anyway without advertising this site will be boring since you won't find out about new products and applications..just my 2 cent
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perhaps he or you could share that (N-0.1 version : N=2.7)free version too ,rather than warez killing babies people are providing source code for icontact already in other thread,it depends which way one wants to go. it also depends with what motive do developers reach to xda-developers website ,in history i have seen tcpmp player 0.71 RC1 source and player were provided which is still being used by most of us which streamlined and became core player 1 later which least of us use ,it is now lying some tiny extinct corner of the hard drive. unlike tcpmp 0.81 which is still playing lyrics youtube flash videos and aac and will go on and on. choice is yours because you have a better vision of your software .
efrost gave me lifetime registration as a result of donating and supporting his early ftouchflo verion. This is totally in the right spirit and I'm very excited to see the new version and its features!
About the new gestures, would you be able to add Left-Down and Right-Down in the next update? It's easier and less tiring than Up-Right and Up-Left - more natural because it falls with gravity.
With these added you could use the two as excellent gesture pairs. If there's a PPC program that can restore last-minimised application (is there??), you could use Right-Down to minimise, then Up-Left to bring it up again!
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efrost gave me lifetime registration as a result of donating and supporting his early ftouchflo verion. This is totally in the right spirit and I'm very excited to see the new version and its features!
About the new gestures, would you be able to add Left-Down and Right-Down in the next update? It's easier and less tiring than Up-Right and Up-Left - more natural because it falls with gravity.
With these added you could use the two as excellent gesture pairs. If there's a PPC program that can restore last-minimised application (is there??), you could use Right-Down to minimise, then Up-Left to bring it up again!
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If you use QuickMenu, you can create a shortcut through the options, to "activate next" or "activate prev", it will create the shortcuts in your programs directory.
Looks like this version fixes bug that my touchscreen freezes after suspend. Good work, because I had this bug in ftouchflo, touchcommander and even in spb pocket plus!
Good work, I'll probably buy it
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If you use QuickMenu, you can create a shortcut through the options, to "activate next" or "activate prev", it will create the shortcuts in your programs directory.
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I most certainly do use Quickmenu, sounds great! However I can only see "activate next"...I go down to bottom of list using my D-pad, right down to "Option" but can't find "Activate previous".
I use version 2.7.387.1527.
I tried for a day the new 2.7 version and for 3 times until now suddently the touch screen doesn't work at all. I can recalibrate the screen and this works fine but after calibration the touch screen again doesn't respond at all, only keys works. This solved only after soft reset. I tested to eten glofiish X600.
bull**** man...
first create a product and get FREE testing from the community then improve it and sell it. GOOSSH, you forget where you came from.
Would be more fair to create a free version and a non-free(if at all) version.
joefso said:
bull**** man...
first create a product and get FREE testing from the community then improve it and sell it. GOOSSH, you forget where you came from.
Would be more fair to create a free version and a non-free(if at all) version.
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I don't think this is kinda fair.. efrost create a freeware which most of us benefit from it greatly.
He then take it further and developed a much more advanced piece of application where one now needs to pay. I don't understand why can't he do that?
For those who wants the freeware, it's still available around here. For those who don't mind paying for a greater featured piece of application, he/she can do so too.
So, what's wrong with his actions? It's not like he took away the freeware where people contributed their input to. Not to mention that he improved on that to a certain extent based on the feedback. I don't think he did it to get free testing.. I think he saw the potential to convert the freeware to a more advance piece of application which he can earn some cash, which I believe will enable him to further develop the software or other piece of softwares, which in turn will benefit the WM community.
Sian
Sian said:
I don't think this is kinda fair.. efrost create a freeware which most of us benefit from it greatly.
He then take it further and developed a much more advanced piece of application where one now needs to pay. I don't understand why can't he do that?
For those who wants the freeware, it's still available around here. For those who don't mind paying for a greater featured piece of application, he/she can do so too.
So, what's wrong with his actions? It's not like he took away the freeware where people contributed their input to. Not to mention that he improved on that to a certain extent based on the feedback. I don't think he did it to get free testing.. I think he saw the potential to convert the freeware to a more advance piece of application which he can earn some cash, which I believe will enable him to further develop the software or other piece of softwares, which in turn will benefit the WM community.
Sian
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Bug fixes? What is software that is unmainted? dead.
joefso said:
Would be more fair to create a free version and a non-free(if at all) version.
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Free = scrolling only
Non-free = gestures and corners
What's the problem?
Had a quick search, couldn't find anything, sorry if it's a repeat..
Anyway, I love my HD, it's a cracking bit of kit, but I'm finding the lack of support for many things (take flash player streaming on BBC over HDSPA for example) really quite frustrating, not least as the youtube app works so well - which leads me to the bigger picture.
Apple have the appstore for their i-phone, a place where you can find all the applets for the phone - surely HTC or Miscro$oft should be looking at something similar for their range of phones/OS?
Am I missing a trick here? Have I missed the HTC/WinMo equivalent?
I think you mean something like " Cydia " for the IPhone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKerR-P-jGQ
That would be cool. I thought about the same thing at the Weekend. Why should we not have a universal download Program for all the Freeware in our Windows Mobile based machine.
Free Cabs
I Think this can help not program but helpful
http://www.freecabs.de
Mrahman
Microsoft are developing this, it is called Windows Mobile Marketplace
http://client.marketplace.windowsmobile.com/
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Microsoft are developing this, it is called Windows Mobile Marketplace
http://client.marketplace.windowsmobile.com/
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Thanks - nothing like leading the market eh Microsoft?
How long has windows mobile been a common smartphone/PDA operating system now?
There are loads of websites giving free CABs for all kinds of programmes. Because Windows Mobile doesn't have a central 'approval' thing like Apple do, anyone can write ANY kind of program for WM phones. Apple decide what makes it onto their phone and what doesn't, hence the need for their centralised AppStore.
Try this: www.pocketpcfreeware.mobi (from your mobile). Lots of good stuff
Or this: http://msmvps.com/blogs/nunoluz/archive/2009/04/09/pocket-gear-now-has-own-appstore.aspx
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There are loads of websites giving free CABs for all kinds of programmes. Because Windows Mobile doesn't have a central 'approval' thing like Apple do, anyone can write ANY kind of program for WM phones. Apple decide what makes it onto their phone and what doesn't, hence the need for their centralised AppStore.
Try this: www.pocketpcfreeware.mobi (from your mobile). Lots of good stuff
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I am aware of the numerous places where the software is available, and long may that continue, as it means independent developers can continue their excellent work, but with the Apple model you have a 'one stop shop', accessible directly from a simple app on the phone that gives you simple access to many 'official' applets.
Whilst I'll always be looking at the independent sector, following the recommendations from places such as this site (and what an excellent resource it is!), there really needs to be a central, 'approved' market place for the mass-market apps, and so that developers can see a genuine, financially viable reason to develop for the platform, something that isn't really there at the moment in the fractured, unfocused model we currently have.
And how are developers going to benefit from being ripped off by a company like Apple or MS twice - once in the form of rubberstamping their work, and then in the form of a sales commission?
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And how are developers going to benefit from being ripped off by a company like Apple or MS twice - once in the form of rubberstamping their work, and then in the form of a sales commission?
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In the same way most companies do...
The point of the central depository is that people looking for apps look there, is it not?
http://appstore.pocketgear.com