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Anti-Virus on T-Mobile Ameo

Has anyone else noticed that if they have both Co-Pilot, and the anti-virus application - Both supplied with my Ameo.... and soft reset, the phone will go in some strange loop.
Shows the T-Mobile screen, then the Microsoft Push Email, flashes the today screen for less than a second, back to T-Mobile screen... repeat.
Only way I've seen to get round it is safe mode the unit and uninstall the antivirus.
I know most will say why bother with antivirus... but for a sense of security I would prefer it, does anyone else have this problem? Anyone know of any better anti-virus software? Or a fix for this one?
Cheers

I agree with you that anti-virus software of a good practice. I'm also keen in looking for a good one.
However, I experience what you described when evaluating the spb tips and spb mobile shell. I had to do a safe mode reset too.

eaglesteve said:
I agree with you that anti-virus software of a good practice. I'm also keen in looking for a good one.
However, I experience what you described when evaluating the spb tips and spb mobile shell. I had to do a safe mode reset too.
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I don't tend to use SPB Tips, want to have Mobile Shell, had that on my Compact III and thought it was great, but heard people on here reporting incompatibility with Ameo regarding speaker issues so going to wait until the next release...
Or have you got it working well?
Regards

Anti-virus for PDA = 100% Marketing
That's what I think. I'm sorry.

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mahjong said:
Anti-virus for PDA = 100% Marketing
That's what I think. I'm sorry.
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If you can pick up a lot of virus' simply by surfin on the internet with the pop up etc, why can you not pick them up when viewing them on an alternate device?

You will soon have no choice but to add anti-virus to your list of essential applications for the phone. Trust me on this.

I have to agree. There was a time the PocketPC was safe, unless you download warez there was no chance of being infected. Even then it was rare.
Its seems that the success of HTC and the windows mobile phones puts them in the windows desktop attack bracket. Now there are so many, and they are all getting data connections its worth attacking them.
Sorry to say it, but while AV on ppc at the moment is dubious, it will soon be required.
I dont know why WM6 doesnt have DEP (data execution protection) etc like vista. They could make it much more secure but havent bothered.
btw, itxda, sounds like your making a threat there! lol. Your not writing a virus are you?

Consideration 1.
A virus need to be programmed for the machine and OS you need want to infect. Can someone tell me a reported case of a virus programmed for Windows Mobile? Please don't report what Symantec or Panda said about it... I mean a real case reported by some user. None.
Consideration 2.
Virus propagation. The way to propagate a virus is into excutable code (this means EXE files) or finding a way to introduce and executable code in a non-executable file, like a .zip file. Then you need to spread that infected code. How in a PDA? Exchanging files? A few exchange of EXE is done in PDA. Thru the network? Cmon... there is a few opportunities for a PDA virus to exist and a few to spread.
Consideration 3.
Don't get confused. Having PocketPC IE doesn't mean that you are on risk of the troyans or virus or even spyware that IE for Windows XP has. First of all because the code to be executed on a PC is not executable in a PPC and second that the target APIs and files in a PC are not in a PPC.
Consideration 4.
Please don't mention Bluetooth virus. The ones existing (if any) are for Symbian and even in Symbian world there are so many incompatible versions of symbian that a given virus has real troubles to spread in the network.
SO...
If I question the fact of someone coding virus for this particular machine and OS, and I question the regular ways of spreading virus, and I question the network and IE risks... What's left? The marketing interest of anti-virus makers.
All this applies to anti-virus programs for Apple Mac, Linux of all kind, symbian phones... and phones in general.
Motorola got a lot of market share in USA... doesn't someone ever in USA got a virus on a Motorola? Never ever. Same for PocketPC. Trust me.
Regards,
mahjong

mahjong said:
Consideration 1.
A virus need to be programmed for the machine and OS you need want to infect. Can someone tell me a reported case of a virus programmed for Windows Mobile? Please don't report what Symantec or Panda said about it... I mean a real case reported by some user. None.
Consideration 2.
Virus propagation. The way to propagate a virus is into excutable code (this means EXE files) or finding a way to introduce and executable code in a non-executable file, like a .zip file. Then you need to spread that infected code. How in a PDA? Exchanging files? A few exchange of EXE is done in PDA. Thru the network? Cmon... there is a few opportunities for a PDA virus to exist and a few to spread.
Consideration 3.
Don't get confused. Having PocketPC IE doesn't mean that you are on risk of the troyans or virus or even spyware that IE for Windows XP has. First of all because the code to be executed on a PC is not executable in a PPC and second that the target APIs and files in a PC are not in a PPC.
Consideration 4.
Please don't mention Bluetooth virus. The ones existing (if any) are for Symbian and even in Symbian world there are so many incompatible versions of symbian that a given virus has real troubles to spread in the network.
SO...
If I question the fact of someone coding virus for this particular machine and OS, and I question the regular ways of spreading virus, and I question the network and IE risks... What's left? The marketing interest of anti-virus makers.
All this applies to anti-virus programs for Apple Mac, Linux of all kind, symbian phones... and phones in general.
Motorola got a lot of market share in USA... doesn't someone ever in USA got a virus on a Motorola? Never ever. Same for PocketPC. Trust me.
Regards,
mahjong
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Thanks for your post, very imformative.
You've converted me,,, for now.
But at the end of the day, what I think sells the software is the fact that it gives the end-user peace of mind.
You can tell people that they don't need something, don't have to do something until you're blue in the face and with all the facts in the world. But there will still be a large number of people that will want it anyway, just for peace of mind...
Also.... can anyone tell me have they had the problems that I had on post #1 :-D ... I've hard reset and installed but still get the problem, without the antivirus installed....
I think it's now looking to be the fault of SPB software, has anyone discovered a fix?

The main purpose of AV software on PPC devices is to scan synched email; if you get email on your Athena, then plug into Outlook, it may (theoretically) pass a virus on.

You know we tend to do quite a bit of testing out new and interesting applications downloaded free. Could'nt a virus be disguised as a free applications and when we run the CAB, confidential info will just simply be extracted, or registry item be manipulated etc?

eaglesteve said:
You know we tend to do quite a bit of testing out new and interesting applications downloaded free. Could'nt a virus be disguised as a free applications and when we run the CAB, confidential info will just simply be extracted, or registry item be manipulated etc?
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Now that's a well thought out statement and question.
As easy as it is to develop applications on the Windows Mobile platform, it's only a matter of time before we start seeing serious viruses and trojans. There are a few out there already but aren't wide spread yet. As on any system, if you open attachments via e-mail or download from the Internet, it's only going to be a matter of time. Time is coming soon. Trust me on this point. Not everyone will be hit but it'll make a mark.
What about writing a virus that can infect your phone, sms your info and GPS coordinates to someone? ;-)
Viruses aren't difficult at all to write. On any platform, Wintel/Linux/Mac/etc.
When one of the scriptkiddies determines that he's been bored all week because he's home for summer vacation and looks over at daddies cell phone....one of them will wonder..."how fast can I propogate a virus throughout cell phones".
Not an if it happens just a when. Let's just be patient and we'll be hearing about the first infections in no time at all.
Heck, someone on this forum could one day write something that infects everyone. You never know.

Hmmm I see what all of you meant but remember the key is "coding a virus for a given machine and OS"... If you don't code the virus that way will not affect the PDA.
Talking about virus I remember the slogan of the New York Mafia: "First we created the need of having protection... them we sell it". (just a joke don't flame... people).

ltxda said:
As easy as it is to develop applications on the Windows Mobile platform, it's only a matter of time before we start seeing serious viruses and trojans. There are a few out there already but aren't wide spread yet. As on any system, if you open attachments via e-mail or download from the Internet, it's only going to be a matter of time. Time is coming soon. Trust me on this point. Not everyone will be hit but it'll make a mark.
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People have been saying "it's coming soon" for years. It has always been easy to program for the Windows Mobile platform, but that hasn't changed the fact that it has now been seven (or five, depending on how you count) years without a virus on Windows Mobile.
Let's hope that people are smart enough to keep it that way. Virus programmers need to get their heads checked...

Moskus said:
People have been saying "it's coming soon" for years. It has always been easy to program for the Windows Mobile platform, but that hasn't changed the fact that it has now been seven (or five, depending on how you count) years without a virus on Windows Mobile.
Let's hope that people are smart enough to keep it that way. Virus programmers need to get their heads checked...
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LOL, agreed.
Kids don't always think logically. We have all done stupid things in our youth. That tradition will never die.

I think this is a useful thread, but not sure it answered the original question, so can I re-state and add?
1. Is the included F-Secure a/v programme the best one for the job?
2. Is it worth-while paying to keep it updated?
Many thanks
Robert

microsoft office access moblie

hi can someone point a place to download microsoft access mobile
thx

Access
If you are talking of the Access Database, then I am afraid you are out of luck, as MS stopped support for Access on the PDA in WM5 (if memory serves me correctly, may have been earlier).
What you will need to do is to go to a 3rd party database that will translate and synch with your existing MS Access databases. Personally I use SprintProDB, but there are many others.
Again, you need to be aware of the synch issues as well as usability, so I would strongly recommend going for the trial and field testing the voracity of each developers claims to functionality and synchronisation. FYI, Sprint Pro is at: http://www.kaione.com/

It's dang expensive but haven't seen many other options. I'm a teacher and just need it to keep grade book primarily. there's a program called Gradebook for oh my - 400$! about same as SprinDB wish they'd be reasonable atleast Someone needs to develop something openSource

Psyberd said:
It's dang expensive but haven't seen many other options. I'm a teacher and just need it to keep grade book primarily. there's a program called Gradebook for oh my - 400$! about same as SprinDB wish they'd be reasonable atleast Someone needs to develop something openSource
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Truly, nobody says dang unless they are on US TV! As to the expense, I am pretty sure you will find SprintPro is not that expensive, its only around 30-40 not 400, so suck it up, pay the man for the work done and see if you can set this as a task for your students to complete as a project.

simple spread sheet in excell?

SQL Server CE 3.5 Works well on WM 6 by the way. Its great as a database and also comes with the Desktop like Query Analyzer.

single word, SQLite

[APP][23JUNE2009] - Zero Dollar Store (App Store for Windows Mobile)

So I got tired of waiting for Windows Mobile 6.5 and a "real" app store for Windows mobile and started working on one of my own. It is very early in development right now, but feel free to give it a spin. If you are a developer and want to add an app to the few test pieces I have in there head to:
http://grebowiec.net/wmappstore/index.php
- June 23, 2009
New Category list display - easier to read/click
Progress bar for thumbnail loading (good for big categories like GAMES)
Added about screen so you know what version you have (built in updating coming soon)
Added tons of test apps (some downloads fail...sorry)
- June 16, 2009
First version uploaded
Long delays after some clicks, be patient

Sounds like this has some potential
will test it out right away!
p.s. i love the name

very good idea !!

Works pretty well.
Maybe we could work together? I made this site: http://thewingster.com/default.aspx

Not to sound harsh but how many of these apps do we need? There are quite a few similar apps out now, some more polished than others.
While I agree that competitive products are always key to innovation, too many products of the same line flooding the market can lead to a sense of over stimulation and paralize the possible success of that line. Take a look at Windows Mobile itself as an example.
An "App Store" is probably one of the few exceptions where a plethora of choices is NOT the preferred path to success. Rather, having one or two major options (MS's version plus a community driven one) are probably the best way to see a successful tool for the Windows Mobile community.
I say if you're going to try and do something like this, either make sure it stands head and shoulders above all other products so that your program and corresponding website are THE places to go to for apps, or use your talents in helping the already existing similar apps get to that status. Otherwise, at this rate, Windows Mobile will never have a "App Store" that is on par with Apple's.
Whatever you chose to do, good luck in your venture.

pndragon said:
Not to sound harsh but how many of these apps do we need? There are quite a few similar apps out now, some more polished than others.
While I agree that competitive products are always key to innovation, too many products of the same line flooding the market can lead to a sense of over stimulation and paralize the possible success of that line. Take a look at Windows Mobile itself as an example.
An "App Store" is probably one of the few exceptions where a plethora of choices is NOT the preferred path to success. Rather, having one or two major options (MS's version plus a community driven one) are probably the best way to see a successful tool for the Windows Mobile community.
I say if you're going to try and do something like this, either make sure it stands head and shoulders above all other products so that your program and corresponding website are THE places to go to for apps, or use your talents in helping the already existing similar apps get to that status. Otherwise, at this rate, Windows Mobile will never have a "App Store" that is on par with Apple's.
Whatever you chose to do, good luck in your venture.
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What other mobile app stores are there? I know there's that one that is through the website, but any that are actual programs on our phones??

Great idea, I will be very happy to support Your project

ace10134 said:
What other mobile app stores are there? I know there's that one that is through the website, but any that are actual programs on our phones??
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There's device update.

Please let me know if you tried to add an app. There was a bug on that page that didn't get all the data submitted.

ace10134 said:
What other mobile app stores are there? I know there's that one that is through the website, but any that are actual programs on our phones??
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Device Update by CRCinAU (Steven Haigh)
Like ZzFDKzZ said
Gecko by Nicolas Bouliane
XDA Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=436127
wApps by niikoo
Never got off the ground as far as I know...
Pocket Download Manager by ciobo
XDA Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475532
OpnMarket by joel2009
JAK Portal by kareem9nba
XDA Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=471576
and of course, the two from major software distribution websites:
InHand from Handango
PocketGear, Inc.'s App Store
See what I mean?

pndragon said:
Device Update by CRCinAU (Steven Haigh)
Like ZzFDKzZ said
Gecko by Nicolas Bouliane
XDA Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=436127
wApps by niikoo
Never got off the ground as far as I know...
Pocket Download Manager by ciobo
XDA Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475532
OpnMarket by joel2009
JAK Portal by kareem9nba
XDA Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=471576
and of course, the two from major software distribution websites:
InHand from Handango
PocketGear, Inc.'s App Store
See what I mean?
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A lot of those are dead.
PocketGear is just a website and doesn't have an update utility built in.
Handango is mostly paid apps and no update utility.
This new app store sounds like it could work better, and as long as it actually gets going, it could work.
If you want to complain about too many similar apps, go to the Slide2Send thread, they want to make another "light" SMS app. We already have like 10 sms apps, we don't need another. Please tell them that!

Well, last night I wrote a quick RSS parser to load in some free apps from freewarepocketpc.net. There are about 140 apps up there now for testing. I will be releasing a new version today (I hope) with a few more features.

New version is up. Enjoy. Info in first post.

Deviceupdate only gives me errors and won't launch.
OpenMarked works slow without indicators
but yours work flawlessly on my device. Sometimes slow but, gee, it has to download stuff! Your appstore is already my preferred choice. Add some grfx, tidy the category list (maybe a list, not icons and make it fit to screen) and voila!
Tell me if you need some grfx
THANX!

great idea i just install and test
like the device update but don't have some apps, and not updating for newest version
opnMarket i got problem with this
need to try this one

New Google Maps Available With Layers 3.2

Check out fuzemobility for more info
http://www.fuzemobility.com/google-maps-for-mobile-now-with-layers/
Or go to http://www.google.com/mobile/products/maps.html#p=default
Release notes (version 3.2)
Below is a list of new features and fixed issues for Google Maps for mobile available in version 3.2 for Symbian Series 60 and Windows Mobile devices.
Installing
Install version 3.2 for Symbian Series 60 and Windows Mobile devices by going to http://m.google.com/maps in your mobile web browser. To ensure proper device detection, use your phone’s original, native browser, such as Internet Explorer Mobile on Windows Mobile devices.

WinMo app is not there anymore (page removed)

gmm 3.2.0 cab
I don't know why google makes it such a pain in the balls to get gmm cabs but here it is.

thanks mate

the link is dead...
never mind, it worked a couple of minutes later...

ya the link on their website for it isn't working.
Anyway it's nice they updated it with the new features.
Now if they would just give us lowly windows-mobile users that google-voice app that they released for everyone else.....

Sweet!
Having traffic accident info is EXACTLY what I have been hoping for.
Good F'n job Google!
Now if they can just integrate weather updates based on cell tower/gps location it would be brushing up against perfect.
(And yes I know Live Search/Bing already does this.)

don't work on Diamond2???

braulioleonardo said:
don't work on Diamond2???
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You installed to Memory Card, right?
As the website said, you have to uninstall, delete any files in the Program Files/ folder for Google Maps, and then restart your phone, and then re-install.
I hate Google's impossible links. Annoyingggg.

What I'd really like to see is Google Earth!!!

Old faithful said:
What I'd really like to see is Google Earth!!!
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Really? I'm already waiting for Google Seas or Space.

thanks for the heads up. downloaded and loving it. especially since they updated transit info this might be the best thing to happen to city dwellers

d0ugie said:
I don't know why google makes it such a pain in the balls to get gmm cabs but here it is.
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Can always count on you to deliver the goods when the manufacturer can only provide a 404.
Cheers Mate!

ace10134 said:
Really? I'm already waiting for Google Seas or Space.
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Google Galaxy would be absolutely fantastic ... you have no idea how much of a pain it is to find directions to Omicron Persei 8.

hilaireg said:
Can always count on you to deliver the goods when the manufacturer can only provide a 404.
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You know das' right my man, I deliver! Can't claim I've got the fastest connection in the world (dsl...) but my server's had 100% uptime since I flipped the switch on for blownfuze back in december.
In google's defense you don't want to be giving out your new hot software to people unless you're sure you're giving them the right version for their phone's OS and with all these different browsers for all phones and I guess it's getting hard to tell what kind of phone they've got based on their http user agent. Almost everybody who uses winmo phones are not like us, don't flash new roms of new builds of different winmo releases, don't use leaked betas of browsers... still, why not let people download from their computer like everyone else who distributes software. For example, here's a user agent that just hit my server log:
"Opera/9.50 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/4.2.13216/574; U; en)"
Hard to tell which OS that guy's running and google doesn't want to release crappy java versions of gmm anymore.
Doug

I hear ya.
Via devices ... makes total sense.
Via PC however, which is the only way I download CAB's, Google could save themselves tons of issues by following the lead of other manufacturers ...
Drop-Down List 1: Device (or O/S)
Drop-Down List 2: Language of GMM to download
Button: Download
... done. It's simple and requires no complex auto-detection, just a PC user who can read.
At least that's how it's done, I'm told, on Omicron Persei 8.

d0ugie said:
You know das' right my man, I deliver! Can't claim I've got the fastest connection in the world (dsl...) but my server's had 100% uptime since I flipped the switch on for blownfuze back in december.
In google's defense you don't want to be giving out your new hot software to people unless you're sure you're giving them the right version for their phone's OS and with all these different browsers for all phones and I guess it's getting hard to tell what kind of phone they've got based on their http user agent. Almost everybody who uses winmo phones are not like us, don't flash new roms of new builds of different winmo releases, don't use leaked betas of browsers... still, why not let people download from their computer like everyone else who distributes software. For example, here's a user agent that just hit my server log:
"Opera/9.50 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/4.2.13216/574; U; en)"
Hard to tell which OS that guy's running and google doesn't want to release crappy java versions of gmm anymore.
Doug
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DUDE! We run similar sites! Except I support the T-Mobile Wing while you're all for the Fuze. But I've gotta say my site looks better: http://thewingster.com/
Hehe. That's cool that we ended up doing the same thing though!
And Screenshots of the new Google Maps: http://thewingster.com/googlemaps.aspx

Taken Directly from Googles maps page:
Supported Phones
Google Maps for mobile works on most phones, including those that run the below platforms. You can always download Maps to your phone using your cellular connection -- just visit m.google.com/maps on your device's browser, or send yourself a text message using the button at the top of this page. Some mobile phones also support the ability to sideload Google Maps onto your phone.
Android
BlackBerry
Java
Windows Mobile: Download Binary
Symbian S60 3rd Edition (most new Nokia smartphones): Download Binary
Palm OS: Download Binary
iPhone (pre-installed)
If you're not sure whether your phone runs one of these platforms, just try sending yourself a text message to get Maps. It will probably work!
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So they do offer an easy way to download the cabs...

Yup ... site I usually go to ... looks like they fixed the broken links - no more 404.

Android on a cheap chinese device (M-001)

OK folks, I bought a device from China to test a theory. I want music/videos/tinterweb etc in every room in my house. The plan was to have a docking station with speakers attached in every room. Then 4-5 tablets that I could plug in when I went into that room. So, if I'm in the shower, I can play death metal whilst my girlfriend watches Sex in the City in bed. That was the plan!
I got the Android tablet today and to say I'm not impressed is an understatement. The device is an unbranded tablet labelled as Mid & E-book. It's running Android 1.6.
My problem is this. Firstly I want to stream music and video from my network. It seems that all the Android apps I can find don't stream! They download to the device (with a 2gb memory this isn't practical). If there is an app that will stream properly, then great. Secondly, I want to be able to connect to my network at home. I have found an app called ES File Explorer that will connect, but I'd like to be able to login to my domain as I do with my laptop.
Maybe it's because I'm not used to it yet, but Android doesn't seem to be as good as Windows Mobile. It's quite clunky and the apps seem to crash like Windows CE!!
So, my questions are these:
If I stick with Android, can I get a media player that will stream music from the network?
Can I get an app that will let me log on to the network properly?
Can I upgrade the OS to a newer version of Android?
If I don't stick with Android, can I install Windows Mobile on this tablet?

If the company that created the table releases an upgrade then definitely you can upgrade it. I'm not so certain as Manuel updates for that particular device.
and I'm more than certain that it is not possible to install windows mobile onto your device.
as for the first two questions, apps like that may appear but have not recently.. :/

Hmmm. I thought Android was supposed to be the better version of the iPhone OS since they're both linux based. I was under the impression that there were thousands of apps to do everything. It seems that there are fewer apps than there are on Win Mobile and the ones that are available aren't as good as the the Win Mobile ones.
I hadn't even thought to check out the ability to stream music/video. Windows Media Player does this, as does every other music player on Windows. It seems ridiculous that this isn't an available for Android.
Anyone fancy writing a couple of apps?

timfoster said:
My problem is this. Firstly I want to stream music and video from my network. It seems that all the Android apps I can find don't stream! They download to the device (with a 2gb memory this isn't practical). If there is an app that will stream properly, then great. Secondly, I want to be able to connect to my network at home. I have found an app called ES File Explorer that will connect, but I'd like to be able to login to my domain as I do with my laptop.
Maybe it's because I'm not used to it yet, but Android doesn't seem to be as good as Windows Mobile. It's quite clunky and the apps seem to crash like Windows CE!!
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You bought a unbranded no-name device from China, at a very cheap price I'm guessing. What did you expect? You could have looked up if there were any apps that would do as you desire before you bought the device. I'm not sure what you mean with connecting to your network? As in a wifi connection? Does the device have a wifi adapter? The clunkiness is probably because of low level hardware specs, as you'd expect from a cheap product (assuming it's cheap now). The apps crashing is probably because the manufacturer did a quick and dirty android install.

madsborelli said:
You bought a unbranded no-name device from China, at a very cheap price I'm guessing. What did you expect?.
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I wasn't expecting a £500 device obviously. But I did kind of expect it to do what it said on the box!
madsborelli said:
You could have looked up if there were any apps that would do as you desire before you bought the device.
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I hadn't thought it would be necessary. Android is a standard operating system. I don't check to see if a media player on Windows actually plays media files. It's taken as read. With the marketplace as competitive as it is, basic media player capabilities are the minimum I would expect from a device.
madsborelli said:
I'm not sure what you mean with connecting to your network? As in a wifi connection? Does the device have a wifi adapter?
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On my HTC TP2 I can connect to my domain as I can on my laptop. This is the kind of app I was looking for. Again, as WM6 is considered to be the 3rd OS (behind iPhone and Android) and it can do this kind of thing, I would have thought that Android would do it too. Maybe not as a part of the OS, but since "there's an app for everything" I would have expected there to be an app for it.
madsborelli said:
The clunkiness is probably because of low level hardware specs, as you'd expect from a cheap product (assuming it's cheap now). The apps crashing is probably because the manufacturer did a quick and dirty android install.
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This is why I thought I could upgrade the OS. To my mind this is no different to my laptop. If I want to run Windows XP or Windows 7, I simply upgrade. Why would this tablet be different? I know it runs on solid state memory, but so does my phone. Low level specs shouldn't be an issue either. Wifi and media players have been around long enough now for the components to be cheap. The components in HTC phones are no different and they work just fine.
The fact that the tablet was cheap shouldn't enter into it. I need it to do one simply task. I'm not looking for a tablet that I can use as my primary machine. I need a simple device for a simple task.

RANT
timfoster said:
I hadn't thought it would be necessary. Android is a standard operating system. I don't check to see if a media player on Windows actually plays media files. It's taken as read. With the marketplace as competitive as it is, basic media player capabilities are the minimum I would expect from a device.
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the market place on this device isn't android market place it is a c****y alternative with no where near the amount of apps on the official one, it would be better for you to browse the web and try to find the plain APK files
timfoster said:
This is why I thought I could upgrade the OS. To my mind this is no different to my laptop. If I want to run Windows XP or Windows 7, I simply upgrade. Why would this tablet be different? I know it runs on solid state memory, but so does my phone.
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theres a massive difference between your laptop and a tablet running android. i mean its completely different windows the operating system will install onto your laptop and grab all the necessary drivers(unlike vista). android is nothing like this, with android you first have to work out how to get to the boot menu. unlike windows its not going to come up and say would you like to boot from cd? they will try and hide the boot menu to stop you the consumer messing up the device and claiming for a new one on the warranty. and when you've got there you then have to try and find how to install the packages. often with the new device you first of all have to load on a new boot menu, because the manufacturer has locked the first one only to flash encrypted files.
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Low level specs shouldn't be an issue either. Wifi and media players have been around long enough now for the components to be cheap. The components in HTC phones are no different and they work just fine.
The fact that the tablet was cheap shouldn't enter into it. I need it to do one simply task. I'm not looking for a tablet that I can use as my primary machine. I need a simple device for a simple task.
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look sorry dude but buying a cheap device means a hell of alot of trouble adimtadly the "specs" are the same as an entry level htc phone, but the hardware is not the phones will come with decent porcessors and, these things come with cheap processors. If you want to get a decent "hardware" tablet get a apad irobot with the rockchip processor, it gets the best reviews.
look sorry if i sound a bit rude through out this but please have a read around and you will find, android isn't just a simple insert the cd upgrade process. if your wanting something that hasn't been released by the manafacturer yet, you are gonna have to rely on this community to help you get what you want. and trust me saying all this s*** is simple isn't going to get you much help. i started a thread a while ago about this exact device. GO AND READ IT, it contains info about how to re-flash a much better rom from my understanding, i don't own the device. of course if you would have search you would have found my thread.
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slaming said:
the market place on this device isn't android market place it is a c****y alternative with no where near the amount of apps on the official one, it would be better for you to browse the web and try to find the plain APK files
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Really?? That's outrageous. It says it's the Android marketplace. I assumed that as the majority of apps were chinese, it was just a case that I needed to change the locale somehow. I hadn't looked properly as the wifi failed over the weekend. I've tried it this morning at work and it can't connect to the wifi here either so it's going back anyway now.
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theres a massive difference between your laptop and a tablet running android. i mean its completely different windows the operating system will install onto your laptop and grab all the necessary drivers(unlike vista). android is nothing like this, with android you first have to work out how to get to the boot menu. unlike windows its not going to come up and say would you like to boot from cd? they will try and hide the boot menu to stop you the consumer messing up the device and claiming for a new one on the warranty. and when you've got there you then have to try and find how to install the packages. often with the new device you first of all have to load on a new boot menu, because the manufacturer has locked the first one only to flash encrypted files.
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I understand that manufacturers of handhelds (tablets and phones) don't make it easy to change the OS. Quite why is beyond me, but there you go. That said though, the guys on this forum are usually brilliant in being able to cook up upgraded ROMs for every device almost as soon as it's released. I don't profess to know how they do it, I'm just grateful that they do.
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If you want to get a decent "hardware" tablet get a apad irobot with the rockchip processor, it gets the best reviews.
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I've looked at the reviews of the apad and it seems fine. I suspect I'll get one to replace this one when it goes back. What exactly is the difference between the rockchip processor and the other one? The price of the different devices indicates that the rockchip is better (as everyone says), but why? Is it just a bit faster?
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look sorry if i sound a bit rude through out this but please have a read around and you will find, android isn't just a simple insert the cd upgrade process. if your wanting something that hasn't been released by the manafacturer yet, you are gonna have to rely on this community to help you get what you want.
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slaming said:
trust me saying all this s*** is simple isn't going to get you much help.
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I wasn't trying to say "this is easy, anyone can do it". Far from it. I work in software development and understand the complexities that go into developing apps. I also understand that developing an OS of whatever degree is ten times harder. The point I was trying to make is that Android is now an accepted mainstream OS. Most people will have little understanding of what goes into developing an app. The majority won't even care. But becuase it's a mainstream OS, the majority (including me) would expect the same functionality as provided by another OS. Maybe not out of the box, but I would have thought that someone, somewhere, (not necessarily here) would have gone to the trouble of developing a media player that will stream from the source location, and a domain login app. Android is becoming more prevalent in the corporate environment and so you would have expected somebody (or some company) to have developed such apps. People will pay for quality apps (me included). I'm sorry if you felt that I was slagging off this board. I wasn't. I was simply asking the questions (surely the point of this board?)
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i started a thread a while ago about this exact device. GO AND READ IT, it contains info about how to re-flash a much better rom from my understanding, i don't own the device. of course if you would have search you would have found my thread.
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I did a search again today (as I did before posting the original message) but still can't find your thread about re-flashing this device. If you could point me in the direction of it, I would be grateful. Chances are I won't be flashing it now (since it's going back), but useful to read.

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Really?? That's outrageous. It says it's the Android marketplace. I assumed that as the majority of apps were chinese, it was just a case that I needed to change the locale somehow. I hadn't looked properly as the wifi failed over the weekend. I've tried it this morning at work and it can't connect to the wifi here either so it's going back anyway now.
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yeah i know but google isn't releasing the files for tablet yet only phone.
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I did a search again today (as I did before posting the original message) but still can't find your thread about re-flashing this device. If you could point me in the direction of it said:
UMM here we go http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=675603
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iOS and Android are "smartphone" Operating Systems, Windows Mobile is a Pocket PC Operating System
That's why you're able to do almost anything and hack to your heart's content in Winmo but the other OSs seem so lacking.
WinMo is not for everyone, mostly because most people are ignorant to what it is truly capable of doing, they just want a phone that runs apps, thats thats why they flock to iOS and Android...Which in turn means less and less people using Winmo thus less support for it since phone companies are a business and they care about their bottom lines, more people in adroind = more money.
I love windows mobile and wish a HD2-like device would be available for CDMA

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iOS and Android are "smartphone" Operating Systems, Windows Mobile is a Pocket PC Operating System
That's why you're able to do almost anything and hack to your heart's content in Winmo but the other OSs seem so lacking.
WinMo is not for everyone, mostly because most people are ignorant to what it is truly capable of doing, they just want a phone that runs apps, thats thats why they flock to iOS and Android...Which in turn means less and less people using Winmo thus less support for it since phone companies are a business and they care about their bottom lines, more people in adroind = more money.
I love windows mobile and wish a HD2-like device would be available for CDMA
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Forgive my ignorance then, but what's the difference between a smartphone and a pocket pc os?
Since my primary use for this device is to stream media from my network, and it seems finding a media player that can do this on Android is going to be difficult to say the least, can I upgrade the apad iRobot M to run Win Mobile? I have just brought one on AliExpress.

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Forgive my ignorance then, but what's the difference between a smartphone and a pocket pc os?
Since my primary use for this device is to stream media from my network, and it seems finding a media player that can do this on Android is going to be difficult to say the least, can I upgrade the apad iRobot M to run Win Mobile? I have just brought one on AliExpress.
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you will not be able to install winmo to an android tablet, its kinda like trying to install mac onto an AMD machine.

There are tablets like the one you purchased that run WinMo if your interested.

why on earth would you want a non windows device to log onto a windows domain?
The only valid reason I can come up with is to acces your shares or printers on the domain. You can't apply machine and or userpolicies like you would to windows clients.
I work in a large company with +/- 9000 clients and +/- 800 servers as a sysadmin and I never understood why some people use dc @home
but to answer that question, you can logon to a windows domain with a linux client using a samba client ed. But you might have to compile them for arm against the kernel version running on your device. Don't know whether there are packages available for android out of the box. But for your needs (especially) the domain logon, I would go for a windows based tablet.

This happened before. Someone bought a knock-off Android. They all worked together and got it rooted. it was beautiful-er then this girl I'm liking right now.