When playing a file using TCPMP, close the Jasjar (Universal), the screen and the keyboard will go off. But the external 2 keys (red and green ones) stay on.
Anyway to keep them on?
Come on guys !
I think they are lit up by the backlight no?
It has already been confirmed that there are seperate led's for the answer and hang up buttons, although they do seem to go off at the same time as the back light this is only because they are programmed to do so, not because they share the same led's.
How come they stayed on and the backlight off then?
Guys, the external keys are lit by the same juice that powers the screen and the keyboard. I wrote a hack to provide this functionality already in one of the other threads on this issue. However, keeping the keys functional will the clam closed is a harder problem.
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Guys, the external keys are lit by the same juice that powers the screen and the keyboard. I wrote a hack to provide this functionality already in one of the other threads on this issue. However, keeping the keys functional will the clam closed is a harder problem.
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But the lid was CLOSED and the screen was off, and the external keys stayed ON
How? It never happens to me.
The external key lights can be forced to stay on with the same code used to keep the backlight on. However, forcing the backlight on, but then turning the screen off (ie by closing the clam while TCPMP or VJElectrify etc is running) then the screen is off, but the external keys stay lit up.
SooSpecial: when the lights on, are they responsive to clicking? eg, pressing the external green key - will you go into phone mode with the clam down? Try using AEButtonPlus and assign an app to the red and green keys. Put the clam down. Do the red/green keys respond?
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How does TCPMP get to leave them on?
It's technically possible then
SooSpecial. Can you use the keys for anything with the clam down? Do they do anything? Are you assigning functions to them in AEButtonPlus and/or TCPMP and they're responding to presses with the clam down?
As I've said, keeping the lights on with the clam down is easy. Getting the device to respond to them with the clam down is harder AFAIK.
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Vijay, they don't respond with the lid down. Doesn't matter assigned or not.
That's what I'm crying about all the time... :wink:
rottie :roll: exactly. SooSpecial seems to suggest that the keys do something with the clam down. I've not managed to get anything out of them so far. I know it's possible (because the phone app does it), but I need to discover what kind of notification the phone generates in order to re-enable the keys. I need some new tools that I'm trying to chat with Buzz about, before I can make much more progress...
But as I said, keeping the buttons lit up is easy. Enabling them to do something is harder...
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rottie :roll: exactly. SooSpecial seems to suggest that the keys do something with the clam down. I've not managed to get anything out of them so far. I know it's possible (because the phone app does it), but I need to discover what kind of notification the phone generates in order to re-enable the keys. I need some new tools that I'm trying to chat with Buzz about, before I can make much more progress...
But as I said, keeping the buttons lit up is easy. Enabling them to do something is harder...
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Hello vijay555, All!
Neither AEButtonPlus nor TCPMP cant cath these buttons, and all other (like sound volume) with the calm down.
Also, regarding the TCPMP, it would be very usefull to assign the wired head set "Answer\Hang" button to the, let say, "Next track" function of the TCPMP. Is that some how possible?
As far as I have investigated:
- this "Answer\Hang" button is not treated as a hardware keyboard button, and it should use it's own driver? (physically, this button works by a short cut of Ground and Mic, and the device treats this as the "Answer\Hang" button click);
- the Answer and Hang external buttons works with the calm closed to answer\reject the incoming call. So, the Phone app can access them with the calm closed;
BR, Dima_the_chief
dima_the_chief: progress has been made on the external key hack... it's being tested. But it will hopefully be everything we need it to do. I don't know why HTC ever made the decision to disable this.
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dima_the_chief: progress has been made on the external key hack... it's being tested. But it will hopefully be everything we need it to do. I don't know why HTC ever made the decision to disable this.
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I'm guessing it's to prevent unwanted button presses when the Exec is in your pocket, or as you pull it out of your pocket...
Cheers,
Steve.
But why not make it optional? :roll:
The Wizard has enough fun waking itself up as you pull it out of its holster, so why not permit a useful feature? Sigh.
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But why not make it optional? :roll:
The Wizard has enough fun waking itself up as you pull it out of its holster, so why not permit a useful feature? Sigh.
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Agreed.
Cheers,
Steve.
This is a wonderful idea. Here is what I notice about those green and red phone buttons on the hinge:
It has a separate light than the screen backlight and the keyboard backlight. Why? I noticed everytime I perform a soft reset while charging, the 1st thing that will come on is the screen backlight. After a few seconds, you will notice the screen backlight becomes brighter and with it the green & red phone buttons on the hinge also lits up. So maybe the key lies in a similar application that Vijay developed before, I believe VJLumos? You guys can try and soft reset while the Universal is charging and watch closely the screen backlight and the green-red phone buttons.
cktlcmd: guys, we've managed to isolate the "issue" with controlling the external keys with the clam closed (much of this was not my work, it's the work of a genius), so eg I'm using VJCandela with the clam closed. I presume this should extend the whole distance, full control of TCPMP etc with clam closed. No reason why not.
However, the solution is still being tested and tweaked. No further discussions on it for now, don't want to get anyone excited before time. Parts of VJElectrify are part of the solution.
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cktlcmd: guys, we've managed to isolate the "issue" with controlling the external keys with the clam closed (much of this was not my work, it's the work of a genius), so eg I'm using VJCandela with the clam closed. I presume this should extend the whole distance, full control of TCPMP etc with clam closed. No reason why not.
However, the solution is still being tested and tweaked. No further discussions on it for now, don't want to get anyone excited before time. Parts of VJElectrify are part of the solution.
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WOW!!! This IS a great news!!!
Our great thanks and donations to all you, genious!!
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Is there really nothing can be done to prevent my JJ from blocking all the keys while closed? I just want it to switch the screen off and that's it.
I'm using the buttons to skip and pause the tracks in TCMP but I have to keep it with the screen out, otherwise it doesn't work. And it's a huge advantage for me to be able to close it.
Help! Please :wink:
Guys, don't put me in with Buzz, the more I read Mamaich, Buzz, Toenailed and other guys' posts, the more I'm embarrassed into thinking I'm just going to stop developing. Those guys are geniuses, I'm just a monkey with a typewriter, almost literally... (I'm quite hairy!)
I didn't know this was a problem. I'll try to investigate. If this is a hardware switch we'll have difficult overriding it, but isn't it possible to answer the phone with the red and green key on the hinge? If so, we should have no problem keeping the system alive but closed.
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The green and red button are not working until there is an incoming call.
Fixing that would also help to start the voice dialing while the JJ is closed, which is impossible atm.
I keep my fingers crossed!
That's easy then. Have a background program to provide a notification to "wake" the system up while the lid is down. Use code to override the timeout so the system stays on until you open the screen and close the app. Anyone else want to program this? :wink:
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That's easy then. Have a background program to provide a notification to "wake" the system up while the lid is down. Use code to override the timeout so the system stays on until you open the screen and close the app. Anyone else want to program this? :wink:
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Yupp, sounds like a piece of cake to me ! LOL
Man, I'd love to know how to prepare stuff like that, but unfortunately I have to rely on others... 8)
I just had a one more thought - don't you think that keeping the system "alive" and only switching the screen off while the lid is down would fix the problem of this huge delay between receiving a call and being able to hear it after pressing the button? Maybe it takes so long exactly because the system needs to wake up and activate the buttons? (sorry for my lame computer language :wink: )
I imagine it would. Just test: how long does it take to answer the phone with the lid open and screen on, and likewise but with lid down and off?
I'm sure others have tested already, but you could quite easily keep the system powered on but screen off, with the lid down, and battery usage should be relatively minimal (most battery saving techniques would be available to the OS, other than actually suspending the OS. Again, check battery life by running TCMP etc, enable screen blanking and leave the sytem on for some hours).
This should enable you to do anything you can do with the lid open, so I imagine voice dialling would work.
But you're sure the phone responds when someone calls and you press the hinge buttons? I'd imagine it would. So this sounds feasible in theory :shock:
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Yeah, the green and red button work with the lid closed, but only when there is an incoming phonecall.
I don't really mind a bit shorter battery life, I just don't want use a screen protector, It spoils all the beauty of that screen. I use TomTom while riding a motorbike, just listening to the instructions, and that automatic "sleep" is a problem in that case as well because it disconnects everything when I close the lid to put the JJ in my pocket.
So, who'll write the program?
If no one else jumps up, I'll do it, but I'm quite busy right now...
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PS. it'd solve your tomtom problem as well.
That's bad news about the automatic sleep. With my XDA2 I used to switch it off and TomTom would continue to make announcements until I actually exited the program. Unfortunately I haven't the time to write the program right now... sorry (I'm not claiming to be a genius by responding in here, by the way). :lol:
Why not buy a Martin Fields screen protector? You can still see the screen with one of those (if you can get all of the effing bubbles out of the blasted thing).
OK, I'm waiting impatiently then!
Thanks a lot!
I wonder whether this application would also allow you to use MS Voice Command when the lid is shut Also, such an application would perhaps stop my Bluetooth radio from switching off when the lid is closed?
As discussed above, the program would keep the device awake in the normal sense, so anything you can do with the lid open you can do with the lid closed. Hence, voice dialling, tomtom, music player etc.
An idea would be to map the external red/green button for mp3 playing, so eg press green = play/pause, press red = next track, double press = previous track etc. So mp3 playback with lid closed but under control...
I was working very very late yesterday so I didn't do any coding, but I need to investigate if there is a hardware switch for powering off when the lid is closed and if it can be overridden... otherwise it will power off the device briefly before powering on again, which would be inconvenient for gps and bluetooth. However, all theoretical for now...
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The ability to run MS Voice Command with the lid closed would make the JJ almost perfect Currently (with all auto off featured disabled) when I use my BT headset to make a call with the lid closed I do get the acknowledgement 'bleep' from VC but it does not actually action the request
If you could solve this one I know it would make a lot of people very happy. Good luck!
Hi Vijay!
You don't have to worry about the button mapping coz the TCMP is already doing that, you can assign the buttons for almost any functin desired. The only problem is that it doesn't work coz all the buttons are locked :wink:
rottie: I wasn't proposing to do the button mapping, merely the suggestion of how the system could be used if it works as envisaged.
So it looks like no one else is writing this then? I'll see what i can do, but if anyone else is, please shout out so I don't duplicate efforts!
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Just to remind my humble request... :wink:
Another thought here.. WIth the device closed and the screen off the green and red buttons would not be lit up, this is a major pain in the ass as in the dark you can't tell quickly which is which.... could this be solved.
rottie: I'm very very busy on VJOKButt for now. Fighting with TAPI.
As I said I won't be able to look into this for a while, so if anyone else can code it, please do. I've left my thoughts above on how it should be feasible.
steverae: with the hack proposed, all lights will light in the normal manner, so if the buttons are backlit with lid up, they'd be backlit with this hack as well, lid closed.
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Hey VIJAY555, This "Hack" sounds like it could be the holy grail to end all our universal woes.... now just have to get one of you guys to fix PocketVCS for me..... it doesn't wanna play on my universal.
Keep us all informed V
Guys, I'm working on this (slowly). It's called VJElectrify.
Can anyone confirm if the Exec hinge red and green buttons work with the lid closed? Either for the phone or otherwise. I think, as rottie says, that for now they only work when a call comes in.
My findings are unfortunately that closing the lid activates a special mode switching off the screen and all hardware keys. The hardware key override needs to be overridden.
I've fixed steverae's problem so far. This might already be enough to activate bluetooth MS Voice Command, I have to test it. I think it should also fix XDAII's issue of bluetooth switching off. Will test tonight.
Does anyone know which driver or device is responsible for the keyboard/hardware keys?
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Is there a way to disable the answer/hangup buttons when the screen is turned off during a call? i keep accidentally hanging up on people
lol...okay
if you install a program called MortSaver it can turn off the screen and lock all buttons, except the button which de-activates it. you can activate mortscript by either assigning it to a hardware button or by simply launching the programs. if you wanna use it for your phone calls, i think you'd be more comfortable by assigning it to a hardware button. to me, i wouldn't give up one hardware button to mortsaver.
hopefully this will solve my automatic answer when taking the phone out of the holster to check whose calling...
thanks
thanks for the tip. ive read about this app in several threads, never thought to use it for this purpose.
thanks again
Hi all. My friend and I have swapped our phones. He wanted something more pocket-friendly and more like a phone, whereas I wanted something with a bigger screen to sling in my bag - so it seems like a good compromise.
However, the way the Universal handles power/standby and the backlight seems quite different and it's baffling me. I'd appreciate some help getting my head around it.
On my Wizard, after I'd got it all figured out, I would just pull it out of my pocket and press the power button on the top to instantly turn the display and backlight on and see what was on the screen. Then I'd press the button again to turn the display and backlight off and put it back in my pocket. While in my pocket like this, all buttons except the power button were locked, yet it would still receive calls and get my e-mails and texts: ideal. If I wanted to shut the whole thing down I would *hold* the power button and it would shut down completely.
Now I've got the Universal. Pressing the power button seems to have the same effect, but holding it now turns the backlight off. Here are my questions:
1) Why would you want to do that?
2) Why is there a separate backlight button too, if holding the power button toggles the backlight?
3) How can I turn the device fully off (apart from removing the battery temporarily)?
4) How do you generally use *your* Universal? Do you just close the screen and toss it in a bag/pocket? Or do you leave it in tablet mode and press the power button?
Thanks for any thoughts!
- Si
Re: Swapped my Wizard for a Universal: power button confuses
Wow, your friend sure got ripped off. I came from a Wizard myself, the Universal is a much more refined machine. I will try to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge.
1) Why would you want to do that?
I have no clue, I wonder why there are so many backlight options.
2) Why is there a separate backlight button too, if holding the power button toggles the backlight?
Same answer as above :lol:
3) How can I turn the device fully off (apart from removing the battery temporarily)?
I've never had to fully turn it off, even in the factory manual they don't tell you. They give you a run around answer I'll quote here,
"Power button: Press and hold to turn the screen backlight on and off (you can also do this using the screen backlight button see page #9 & #17) When you close the lid the screen goes off; if you leave the lid open, the backlight will time out and then the screen will switch off. A single press of the power button will turn the screen on or off. The phone is turned on at startup, after the SIM pin is entered. If the screen goes off, the phone will still remain connected."
4) How do you generally use *your* Universal? Do you just close the screen and toss it in a bag/pocket? Or do you leave it in tablet mode and press the power button?
Becareful closing it and tossing it in your bag, the screen likes to make contact with the keyboard leaving marks on the keys and screen ( ) People usually put a small screen wipe rag in between the screen and keyboard before closing or get a silicone case. I have the silicone case, when I'm out it's in my hands since I'm not a belt clip person or in my pants pocket when it fits :wink: The only time it's in tablet mode is when I'm surfing the net or playing a game; I don't like to leave it in tablet mode as it exposes the screen to accidents.
My friend is pretty happy with the Wizard - it suits his needs better and it is amazing what a difference the 'compactness' makes if you use it mainly as a phone rather than a PDA.
Okay, so it seems you can't turn the Universal off. I always plug my phone in to charge at night, so I'm not worried about that.
I was really impressed with the ruggedness of the Wizard. The screen never got any scratches on it. I wish they made iPods out of the same material!
When you use the Universal as a phone, do you tend to use it closed? I feel sort of silly holding a chopping-board sized slab up to my ear. Maybe I'll get a Bluetooth headset
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When you use the Universal as a phone, do you tend to use it closed? I feel sort of silly holding a chopping-board sized slab up to my ear. Maybe I'll get a Bluetooth headset
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To be honest, I've only used the Universal's earpiece once or twice. It's too big to hold up to your ear for talking. When sitting at your desk, or when you're playing with it, people are always giving you the "Wow!" look but when you have it up against your ear as a cell phone they laugh...and laugh :lol:
I always use a bluetooth earpiece/headset. I have either my Bluespoon AX2 or Motorola HT820 with me at all times. Bluetooth is a must! I rarely use the Wizard's earpiece either, always bluetooth on the Wizard as well.
Doesn't pulling out the keyboard mean that I wish to use the device?
If so why didn't they make doing so to power on the device automatically.
Can this be done?
This is something I've thought of too, especially since once you have slid out the keyboard, it becomes difficult to hit the power button (or do I just have fat fingers )
would love to know if some one could get this to work.
This is so obvious to us that it should be doable. Let's hope it is.
I don't think this would be a good idea. because the keyboard slide easly open when you pull it out of the case or when you just handle it. each time it will power up on unwanted moments. your battery will draw more quickly.
I don't think this would be a good idea. because the keyboard slide easly open when you pull it out of the case or when you just handle it. each time it will power up on unwanted moments. your battery will draw more quickly.
It would only need to power up when the backlight of the keyboard comes on, so that would require the keyboard to be fully open. It's unlikely you'd do that by accident.
I agree its only when it clicks back fully that the the screen flips over which means it should be safe to turn on at that point.
Besides it seems to lock closed rather nicely for me but perhaps with age it will wear out.
At least as adults we could have been given the option to take the risk !
i agree this would be a good idea - in fact i wondered why it doesn't do this by default when i first used it...
Slide out keyboard should power on device
Yes this is missing, let the power on respons on the end of sliding like the screen switch!
What if it automatically opened the "new text message" window as well? I think that could be quite cool, cause the only time I open the keyboard is to write a message usually
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What if it automatically opened the "new text message" window as well? I think that could be quite cool, cause the only time I open the keyboard is to write a message usually
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Logical thing would be to make "keyboard opened" a configurable "button", just like how you can assign actions to other (real) buttons.
Is the JasJam better behaved than WM2003 models in terms of waking up? My iMate PDA2k wakes up and activates the screen when e.g. received SMS, or connected bluetooth, or all sorts of things. Having the screen activate causes lots of accidental things like making phone calls etc. Same thing happens getting it out of holster or pocket while ringing. When it wakes up to ring or otherwise notify, the screen should stay locked until a hard button is used.
has there been updated with this?
Ive searched the registry thinking that if the OS knows the keyboard is open and rotates the screen then surely we can tell it to wake it up. But not much luck...
i`m currently playing and tweaking my 3 day old HD2. Shame I got one, now my Rhodium and Kaiser are oldish and forgotten =) What a wonderful device the HD2 is.
So far, I´ve managed to tweak all the things I wanted, except for one: in all other devices, I can access the system page and a "keylock" option there, so I can configure the device to wake up ony if the power button is pressed while locked. There is no keylock option in the HD2, and while in the pocket, buttons keep getting pressed and the screen is turning on. I want to reduce that to as few times as possible (since battery life seems to be a problem with the HD2).
Any ideas ? Guess they removed the keylock option simply because the HD2 does not have a power button... anyway, waking up the device with a specific key (only) would be nice.
tia
I'm looking for the same thing. Please advice!
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to the list that would like this option. My HD2 is always being turned onin my pocket and its seriously reducing the bettery life!!!
ok... bump. My day ended up with a dead phone. The screen turned on so many times that the cellphone got warm... more than once.
doesnt it has Automatic lock ????
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doesnt it has Automatic lock ????
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... it does... and it works. Problem is not locking or remaining locked, but the fact that the screen turns on even locked.
I mean, if you lock the phone, there is only 1 way to unlock it (by sliding the unlock button on screen). But hitting *any* button (except for the volume) brings the display up. Since the buttons are elevated, it´s not that difficult to keep hitting the buttons while it is in your pocket.
The end result is that the screen remains lit, wasting battery. It would be nice if, once locked, only 1 single button would bring the screen on. That would reduce the chance of turning it on by accident.
With my Kaiser and Rhodium, both have a power button. Once the screen is locked, the only key that will bring it to life is the power button itself (that is somewhat difficult to hit by accident). But the Leo does not have a power button.
Would the leather case solve that? I know it's more impractical but if anything saves battery it would be worth it.
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Would the leather case solve that? I know it's more impractical but if anything saves battery it would be worth it.
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Unfortunately, no... In fact, the standard leather case (that came with it) is so tight that if you put the phone with the buttons first, they get pressed.
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Unfortunately, no... In fact, the standard leather case (that came with it) is so tight that if you put the phone with the buttons first, they get pressed.
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Yeah just tried, don't think it will loosen any more either. I guess you need a jacket pocket with plenty of space, a trouser/jean pocket would be fine until you sit down.
Well, didn´t find any app that would help me do this trick. In fact, a simple app that enable us to configure the key that wakes up the phone after locking, could solve the problem. Was thinking about changing to the volume down key (guess it is one of the hardest to accidentally press, like when in a pocket).
As a temporary measure, if you use the leather slip case it came with, put the phone in upside down so that the USB is pointing out the open end.
I've bought a leather executive flip case that stops accidental button pressing. But it's not everyone's cup of tea to make the phone bulkier in the pocket.
Any people can provide other solution like change the registry or make a simple software?
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Any people can provide other solution like change the registry or make a simple software?
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Bump - someone must know the answer - I hope!
Just to share my experience.
I never use the leather case. It is too tight to squeeze in. And the HD2 is not as fragile as the other models. However if you use a screen protector, then you may find that it is pretty easy to scratch and dent the screen protector, which is rather visibly annoying.
As for keylock, I think TouchLockPro is rather good. It can't stop the end button from waking up the phone. Nobody can, because it is the only method to wake up an HD2. However, you can set the phone to go back to sleep in say 5 seconds. Or you can keep it always locked when it is dark (in your bag or pocket).