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how the hell do you turn off the device, if i press the power button once the screen goes completely black and i cannot tap anything but i can still recieve calls and if i press any of the buttons it comes alive. if i press and continue pressing for two seconds, the screen simply dims and i can still tap on the screen?
so how do you switch it off?
and if you reset how do you prevent it from loading the T-Mobile customization?
Also, mine has a dead pixel and i have just opened it can i take it back as faulty? it's only one dead pixel but it's really really annoying...does it count as a fault. i'm gonna try and take mine back tomorrow
A short press turns the unit off
A longer press will shut down the backlight, but leave the unit on
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A short press turns the unit off
A longer press will shut down the backlight, but leave the unit on
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Well, when i do that the screen goes blank but i can still recieve calls and if i press any of the buttons it goes back on again!!!!!!!!!!!!
To totaly turn off the device you need to slide the battery lock button out and then back in. It is the only way I have found to totaly turn the device off.
To lock the keys go into "settings" then "system" and choose "button lock" then choose "Lock all buttons except power button".
John
oh, i see. i thought it was like the other phones, nokia SE etc.
thanks alot for all your replies
thank you
this is not a phone, this is a pdaphone, it works like a pda... if you want tu turn off the phone, you can use the flight mode.
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this is not a phone, this is a pdaphone, it works like a pda... if you want tu turn off the phone, you can use the flight mode.
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I dont think it has anyhting to do with PDA. I have had 3 PDA's before. All of them had an "off" button that turned the thing off. Ditto for phones. So this is just Microsoft's strange decision. Dont make the guy feel back just because he is thinking logically - and they are not.
I've had quite a few PDAs over the years:- Casio E80? Psion 3, 3a, 3c, 5, 5mx, iPaq 3630, XDAI, XDAII, MDA Compact.
None of them have ever had an off button. They turn off the screen and may even slow the processor or put it in sleep mode. But they all kept their memory powered up and clock / alarms / appointments alive at all times.
This may change in the future as flash ram is now fast enough that you could actually run stuff from it so you could truly kill power (apart from clock and wakeup stuff) without emptying your memory.
My old Visor Edge, Palm Tungsten T, T2 and TE all had off buttons. I dont know of any electronic device where anyone should expect that the "off" botton doesn't turn it off.
If that button on Windows Mobile devices is a "sleep" button, then they should mark it with a "sleep" symbol, rather than the intl symbol for "power", which is what they have on there - and which is what confuses people.
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My old Visor Edge, Palm Tungsten T, T2 and TE all had off buttons. I dont know of any electronic device where anyone should expect that the "off" botton doesn't turn it off.
If that button on Windows Mobile devices is a "sleep" button, then they should mark it with a "sleep" symbol, rather than the intl symbol for "power", which is what they have on there - and which is what confuses people.
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So, if your Palm completely powered down when you pressed this magic "off" button, how come the alarms still worked? How come it woke up when you pressed any of the four application buttons or tapped the screen? How come your data was still kept in RAM?
More wisdom from the skagen...
My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
If you press the "off" button on your N 6100 or SE T610 you are right in that they would really be off. You can not receive a call, any alarms will not sound until you turn the phone on again and so on.
But this is not so for most PDA:s on the market.
Most PDA:s will go into some kind of sleep mode when you press the "off" button. And mostly it is not even a true sleep mode, a lot of processes are still running, and even network connections can be kept active. This is also the way most PDA users would want their PDA to work. Also, the way most PDA:s are built, a power down means resetting everything back to defaults and thereby loosing all of your data and third party applications. This could be cured by using non volatile RAM for all of the memory, but I guess there is probably a good reason why this is not normally done.
Actually, on most modern computers a short tap on the power button will put them in suspend mode and holding it for more than two seconds will turn them off. So the only thing that is really strange with the PDA is that a long press on the button will not even put it in sleep mode but only shut off power to the display. And as I actually don't know anyone that has ever used that worthless function I think they should probably replace it with a "real" sleep mode, where all of the hardware is actually shut off except for support voltage to keep the memory "alive".
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If you press the "off" button on your N 6100 or SE T610 you are right in that they would really be off. You can not receive a call, any alarms will not sound until you turn the phone on again and so on.
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On N 6100 ,and on all nokia phones, the clock alarm wake's up the phone... You then have a choice of whether to activate the phone or not...
Same with all the Siemens phones I owned ( 4 so far). When shutting off the phone, the clock and alarms keep working. The only thing that does not work, off course, is the radio so incoming calls are diverted to voice mail. But with the phone off, the alarms still wake me up!
It would indeed be a good idea if using the power button on any type of XDA would turn the device really off, using power only for keeping the clock working and the data stored...
If the alarms jeep working on your phone when in "off" mode it is not actually off but in a low power mode with the phone functions turned off. So what you are really asking for is that the power button should turn off the phone but keep the pda running. This seems quite useless to me. Exactly how often are you in such a hurry to turn off the phone?
Yes, the device is in sleep mode, but it is a very deep sleep indeed, since it uses close to zero power. When I put my Compact in sleep mode, running programs will not shut down but will stay running, the Today screen is still running and the same goes for the phone radio and GPRS. This means that the battery drains much quicker. So in order to save power, I have to turn off the radio (flight mode), kill running apps and then put the device to sleep with the power button. Seems like rather a hassle, doesn't it, compared to a normal phone? So I don't mean for the PDA to keep running ful operations, but rather to power down to a level where it only uses a little power to keep the storage working. And when waking up, I don't need to see the Today right away, a few seconds loading the screen like on a normal phone is worth the power save to me.
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My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
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This guy is unbelievable. You were claiming that your Palm turned completely off when you hit the off button - not a cellphone, jerk.
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When I put my Compact in sleep mode, running programs will not shut down but will stay running, the Today screen is still running and the same goes for the phone radio and GPRS. This means that the battery drains much quicker. So in order to save power, I have to turn off the radio (flight mode), kill running apps and then put the device to sleep with the power button.
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Wrong - programs that can be _are_ suspended when you put the PDA into standby. Try it with MediaPlayer.
How do you know the Today screen is still running? Like you know the fridge light really stays on when you shut the door?
Wouldn't you be complaining more (because of the missed calls) if turning the PDA off to save the battery also killed the phone?
Most of us can get our heads round this - the Standby button on the side controls the PDA. The Flight mode controls the phone. Not exactly difficult, is it?
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And when waking up, I don't need to see the Today right away, a few seconds loading the screen like on a normal phone is worth the power save to me.
That's where you fall into sjkagen's trap, again. For the zillionth time, the Jam/Compact is not just a phone. It's primarily a PDA. That's why it costs so much more than a phone. And on a PDA, you need to be able to look up information instantly - not have to wait a minute for the darn thing to boot up.
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skagen said:
My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
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Oh skagen, how ignorant you are. Seems you cannot understand pictures, let alone words.
The label on the Jam "off" button is a line through a broken circle, which is the IEC symbol for STANDBY, not POWER OFF. Just like on all other PDAs, and your TV remote control.
See
http://eetd.lbl.gov/Controls/overview/symbols1.pdf
Now look again at all your "phones" which completely shut down when you press the "power" button. What symbol do they have?
Seeing as you obviously have so much difficulty telling the difference between a cellphone and a Palm, a phone and a PocketPC, or a power switch from a standby button, here's another teaser for you.
1. How do cellphones manage to keep their memory when they are turned off or the battery is removed?
2. What is the difference between the memory in cellphone and that in most PDAs?
3. Why do most PDAs have Standby (Soft Off) and not Power (Hard Off) buttons?
Wow, seems like some people are getting really sensitive when I call the Magician a phone... Sorry if I insulted you guys, it is just that I compare it to a phone because I use it for that the most, but I do understand that it is actually much more than that!
I have no problems with the way the sleep button works, it is ok for me, I just wanted to say that there are other possibilities that could have been used to map the button to. Especially since some people would have liked the button to work more "phone wise". But since it is primarily a PDA, I see that this current application is the most logical thing for the button to do.
BTW you are totally right that most running apps are termintated when pushing the power button. Although WMP stays active in the running programs menu, the music is cut off. However, since the prog stays loaded, does this consume more power than shutting it down completey (e.g. with SPB Pocket Plus)?
I think the Today screen stays loaded BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT THERE AFTER WAKE UP, just as you say: it does not have to be booted first. BTW: I have a little window in my fridge door to check wether the light goes off .
And please guys, don't call each other jerks or ignorant just because someone's questions or remarks anoy you. Reply polite or don't reply at all!
Hi Guys.
I had a quick search for this but other than posts about the button lock "when off" thing, which I have enabled, I can't find a fix for this, what I consider to be, bug/fault/failing.
The thing which really really gripes with me is the dumb buttons all around the edges of the Universal. Sure, when the phone is off, they are disabled, but what about when the phone rings ?
I grab the phone but have to try to dance around any and all buttons because as soon as it gets a call it wakes and the buttons become live.
I've had to forget having the phone in it's case (I tried a krussell case for it but it stresses the screen hinge) because you have to wail away on the keys in order to get the thing out the case.
I could assign the functions of the buttons to <none> but it kinda negates them even being there.
A way to disable them when off and also on call receipt would be just the ticket.
gee, I really hate this aspect and if I lose another call I swear I'll throw it out the window.
I dont really understand your concerns.
I use button lock, and they do lock without a problem.
When my phone rings, the phone call buttons are active to accept or decline.
I also use the krussel case and didnt find any hinge stress, and had easy access to the answer and hangup buttons located on the hinge. mind use, i usually keep the clam closed so i had not problem accessing any of the buttons, ever.
I have also extended the ring time from the 10second default to the 30 second maximum available, so I am not in any rush to answer the phone in the first place, and dont need to visually see who is calling as I accept all incoming calls, or decline all incoming despite who it is. so simply pressing the green button located on the hinge is easy.
so alas, I dont understand your problem.
But when your phone rings, the other external buttons are also active, camera etc. So, when dragging the phone out of a pocket or it's case, you are almost bound to catch one of those butons or, as has happened, the Red call-end button on the side.
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But when your phone rings, the other external buttons are also active, camera etc. So, when dragging the phone out of a pocket or it's case, you are almost bound to catch one of those butons or, as has happened, the Red call-end button on the side.
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I tested this on mine and whilst you are right about the buttons being active, the phone answer/ignore window stayed foremost regardless. In my case i tested a button I have assigned to notes and the notes window appeared underneath the call window.
As with previous comments I really don't see the issue as anything more than trivial, especially considering the buttons size and pressure required to activate it. Perhaps someone will (or has) write a little utility to disable the buttons except for the phone answer/ignore. In the meantime I wouldn't worry about it.
Using a SPV M5000 and keep it in the leather/elastic holster provided with the phone, and have the same problem with loosing calls whilst extracting the phone from the holster. My rings before going to answer service is set at 30 secs, and that makes no difference.
Just need to find a decent case which doesn't interfere with any of the buttons.
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Using a SPV M5000 and keep it in the leather/elastic holster provided with the phone, and have the same problem with loosing calls whilst extracting the phone from the holster. My rings before going to answer service is set at 30 secs, and that makes no difference.
Just need to find a decent case which doesn't interfere with any of the buttons.
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You could try this case. I loved my previous xda2 case and this is the closest I could get with a belt clip. Phone rings, I unclip, check the green (middle) phone button, press and answer. Finish and press red (end) phone button and reclip.
BTW I'm not at all related to the vendor.
I have recently taken delivery of an Otterbox for use on my bike (GPSComputerCycle and music) but to save power I would like to be able to turn the screen off during the ride (xpshutdown allows me to do this) and then press the screen if I want to turn the HD back on again.
I use S2U2 if this makes an difference.
Is there a setting somewhere which allows me to press the screen to power the THD back on again (even if it goes to a lock-screen)?
I had a quick look through the settings (Screen/Power/Lock) but couldn't find anything.
Anyone help?
Thanks
Not possible AFAIK.
When the screen powers down, that applies to the touch-sensitive mechanism as well as the display element.
It would probably require something deeper than even a registry hack, the drivers would need re-writing or something.
Its not possible for the simple reason that the buttons below the screen are part and parcel of the touch screen, so if the screen is off, they won't work.
There appears to be no power to these lower buttons while in standby, so no software could work either?
However there is other ways of doing this:
1. Use s2u2 unlock on stylus out, so when you pull out the stylus, the HD comes on and unlocks. It's simple.
2. MobileMagic to toggle the screen on/off when device is turned face down. That way when you turn it face down, screen goes off and buttons are locked. To turn it back on, turn devicedevice face down again. You will need need to go to Start-Settings-System-Power-Advanced and untick the option, "Turn off device if not used for", because if the device gets turned off (instead of just screen off) it won't respond.
Hope this helps
Unfortunately the HD will be inside an Otterbox mounted on the handlebars of my bike, so removing the stylus would not be an option and neither would using the G-Sensor.
Sounds like I will have to have it powered on all the time. I know that GPSCycleComputer dims the display while it is active, so this might be a part solution.
Thanks for all the answers though. I was being a numpty after all!
Regards
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Unfortunately the HD will be inside an Otterbox mounted on the handlebars of my bike, so removing the stylus would not be an option and neither would using the G-Sensor.
Sounds like I will have to have it powered on all the time. I know that GPSCycleComputer dims the display while it is active, so this might be a part solution.
Thanks for all the answers though. I was being a numpty after all!
Regards
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Alternative solution:
Attach a dynamo to the wheels of your bicycle and charge your HD on the go
I wouldn't be able to even begin telling you how to do this though!
Is there any way to lock the power button on the TD2?
I would like to keep the device suspended, with the screen off, even when the power button is hit.
This is to avoid that the screen of the device gets accidentally switched on when I carry it in the pocket of my jeans. This happens all the time, leading to battery drain.
I have tried TouchLockPro, it locks everything except the power button.
Any way to set this up?
Any application providing this feature?
If you lock it, how do you want to wake up the device?
I wouldn't mind finding a way to do something similar. Maybe not lock the button entirely, but make it so that you have to press the power button for a long time (say 3 secs), or press the power button and the hang up button and the same time.
no offence but if you did this wouldnt it unlock when you pull out the stylus?
and also you can change that go to start => settings => system/personal => keylock (also not sure if keylock will be installed as i dont have one, but you should be able to find it on here)
Then you can change the wake up to be any of the buttons, current setup or none.
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no offence but if you did this wouldnt it unlock when you pull out the stylus?
and also you can change that go to start => settings => system/personal => keylock (also not sure if keylock will be installed as i dont have one, but you should be able to find it on here)
Then you can change the wake up to be any of the buttons, current setup or none.
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No, this wont do what is needed. The Keylock simply stops someone from using the phone. It won't stop the screen from coming on accidental in you pocket.
You can 'lock' the phone from accidental use by pressing and holding the 'hang up' button, but again this has nothing to do with screen activation.
It is true that pulling out the stylus will both switch on and unlock the phone though, so disabling the power button may not be all bad. I still think it would be better to activate the screen via a single long button press, or some such.
Totally agree with swinster's comment and proposal.
- Lock the phone by pressing + holding "hang up" button (already implemented)
- Keep phone locked and screen off until
either stylus is pulled out
or power button and hang-up button are pressed at the same time
But disable screen-on when power button alone is pressed (like it is now).
- Anybody able to implement this proposal?
Meanwhile, how are you guys carring around your Topaz without the battery being emptied within a day (because of the described issue)?
This would be a great solution.
Mine switches on in my pocket all the time, they should have recessed the button, I thought about trying to remove it.
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Meanwhile, how are you guys carring around your Topaz without the battery being emptied within a day (because of the described issue)?
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Its a bit of an overkil, but my laptop come with me most places.
Reminds me of the Morecambe and Wise sketch (??) where the battery was the size of a suitcase.
I think I need a car charger - which brings me to another grumble - why didn't they implement a standard mini USB interface?
Standard mini usb fits and charges.
ALExander
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Standard mini usb fits and charges.
ALExander
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Ooh, Ok. I thought they were different shapes. Will look into this.
[Edit - I have just read that it IS backward compatible with USB - the different shape is becasue the HTC connection supplies audio]
I'm guessing that any old Car Charger with mini USB will work then?
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Is there any way to lock the power button on the TD2?
I would like to keep the device suspended, with the screen off, even when the power button is hit.
This is to avoid that the screen of the device gets accidentally switched on when I carry it in the pocket of my jeans. This happens all the time, leading to battery drain.
I have tried TouchLockPro, it locks everything except the power button.
Any way to set this up?
Any application providing this feature?
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When you set EnableInputAtSuspend = 0, it will not unlock the power button at suspend. . It will then only awake via the Stylus. But I do not know if this setting also works on the Diamond2.
I am having some odd problems with mine if i press the power button to put it into standby. Sometimes when i press it it turns itself straight back on others it will come back on if i shake it (like the G Sensor is somehow linked to bringing it out of standby). Can you guys check this so i can confirm if i have a faulty unit please?
I think I read somewhere that someone had a similar problem - might be the stylus sensor thinking you have remove the stylus.
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I think I read somewhere that someone had a similar problem - might be the stylus sensor thinking you have remove the stylus.
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Thanks, sounds plausible, I'll call the supplier tomorrow.
I am sure that on my D810 I could set the lock on at zero seconds with no pin code. Then the keylock would come on every time I came out of standby but with no change of accidentally starting applications and making calls.
On my D2 the password is compulsory for keylock.
Any solution here? I don't want a pin code.
I power button fix would be even better to also save battery. The accidental turning on is a very annoying feature.
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I think I read somewhere that someone had a similar problem - might be the stylus sensor thinking you have remove the stylus.
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ye man,ive got this prob...the phone randomly unlocks bcoz the stylus sensor...im lookin for some application that turns the sensor off....havent found anythin yet...
This is still, by far, the most anoying "feature" of the TD2 phone. I can't believe that HTC did not have the forethought to think that people might actually put the phone in their pockets.
It should be a simple fix so that when the phone is off or in standby, the power button has to be press for say a second before the phone will come on, rather than just a single tap. They can do this to turn the phone off, so why not on?
i`m currently playing and tweaking my 3 day old HD2. Shame I got one, now my Rhodium and Kaiser are oldish and forgotten =) What a wonderful device the HD2 is.
So far, I´ve managed to tweak all the things I wanted, except for one: in all other devices, I can access the system page and a "keylock" option there, so I can configure the device to wake up ony if the power button is pressed while locked. There is no keylock option in the HD2, and while in the pocket, buttons keep getting pressed and the screen is turning on. I want to reduce that to as few times as possible (since battery life seems to be a problem with the HD2).
Any ideas ? Guess they removed the keylock option simply because the HD2 does not have a power button... anyway, waking up the device with a specific key (only) would be nice.
tia
I'm looking for the same thing. Please advice!
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to the list that would like this option. My HD2 is always being turned onin my pocket and its seriously reducing the bettery life!!!
ok... bump. My day ended up with a dead phone. The screen turned on so many times that the cellphone got warm... more than once.
doesnt it has Automatic lock ????
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doesnt it has Automatic lock ????
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... it does... and it works. Problem is not locking or remaining locked, but the fact that the screen turns on even locked.
I mean, if you lock the phone, there is only 1 way to unlock it (by sliding the unlock button on screen). But hitting *any* button (except for the volume) brings the display up. Since the buttons are elevated, it´s not that difficult to keep hitting the buttons while it is in your pocket.
The end result is that the screen remains lit, wasting battery. It would be nice if, once locked, only 1 single button would bring the screen on. That would reduce the chance of turning it on by accident.
With my Kaiser and Rhodium, both have a power button. Once the screen is locked, the only key that will bring it to life is the power button itself (that is somewhat difficult to hit by accident). But the Leo does not have a power button.
Would the leather case solve that? I know it's more impractical but if anything saves battery it would be worth it.
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Would the leather case solve that? I know it's more impractical but if anything saves battery it would be worth it.
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Unfortunately, no... In fact, the standard leather case (that came with it) is so tight that if you put the phone with the buttons first, they get pressed.
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Unfortunately, no... In fact, the standard leather case (that came with it) is so tight that if you put the phone with the buttons first, they get pressed.
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Yeah just tried, don't think it will loosen any more either. I guess you need a jacket pocket with plenty of space, a trouser/jean pocket would be fine until you sit down.
Well, didn´t find any app that would help me do this trick. In fact, a simple app that enable us to configure the key that wakes up the phone after locking, could solve the problem. Was thinking about changing to the volume down key (guess it is one of the hardest to accidentally press, like when in a pocket).
As a temporary measure, if you use the leather slip case it came with, put the phone in upside down so that the USB is pointing out the open end.
I've bought a leather executive flip case that stops accidental button pressing. But it's not everyone's cup of tea to make the phone bulkier in the pocket.
Any people can provide other solution like change the registry or make a simple software?
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Any people can provide other solution like change the registry or make a simple software?
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Bump - someone must know the answer - I hope!
Just to share my experience.
I never use the leather case. It is too tight to squeeze in. And the HD2 is not as fragile as the other models. However if you use a screen protector, then you may find that it is pretty easy to scratch and dent the screen protector, which is rather visibly annoying.
As for keylock, I think TouchLockPro is rather good. It can't stop the end button from waking up the phone. Nobody can, because it is the only method to wake up an HD2. However, you can set the phone to go back to sleep in say 5 seconds. Or you can keep it always locked when it is dark (in your bag or pocket).