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I started yesterday working with my new i-mate Jasjar, and, already, I am lost in so many bugs and bad issues.
1- ActiveSync 4 does not support backup/restore of the device. I know this is a "known" issue, but it is a real bad one!
2- Some programs cannot be installed at all, like SPB PocketPlus. On another hand, all task switchers (and program closers) make problems, and end up by soft resetting the device.
3- A big problem: I cannot uninstall any of the programs I installed, whether on the main memory or the storage card, whether by using ActiveSync (from the desktop), or Remove Programs (in Settings) or any third party software, like SKTools!
4- Synchronizing through ActiveSync is not always straight forward. Sometimes the device is not recognized, or, when recognized, synchronize cannot start, or, when it does start, it never ends.
Did any of you experience any of these problems?
Any suggestions, or we have to wait for a ROM upgrade ?
Spb pocketplus may not be supported by wm05?.Perhaps the next release will work though as i'm getting either the wizard or universal so I hope it does!
personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
bugs are ok, it makes the patches more anticipated, and of course, with out this kind of feedback sofware houses wouldn't always reveal the issues before software is released.
Tekflow said:
I started yesterday working with my new i-mate Jasjar, and, already, I am lost in so many bugs and bad issues.
1- ActiveSync 4 does not support backup/restore of the device. I know this is a "known" issue, but it is a real bad one!
2- Some programs cannot be installed at all, like SPB PocketPlus. On another hand, all task switchers (and program closers) make problems, and end up by soft resetting the device.
3- A big problem: I cannot uninstall any of the programs I installed, whether on the main memory or the storage card, whether by using ActiveSync (from the desktop), or Remove Programs (in Settings) or any third party software, like SKTools!
4- Synchronizing through ActiveSync is not always straight forward. Sometimes the device is not recognized, or, when recognized, synchronize cannot start, or, when it does start, it never ends.
Did any of you experience any of these problems?
Any suggestions, or we have to wait for a ROM upgrade ?
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dude all of these are software (activesync and windows 5 related) none are related to jasjar...the jasjar is the most stable imate device EVER
yes there are issues between the new active sync and windows and firewall and the antivirus that you run but these are Microsofts faults not jasjars...
to answer your questions
1) this is a bummer.. i really wish they had given the option of backing up device..anywyas thats why you have ppc softwares that do backup..the one working on wm5 is sunnysoft backup..
2)most of the softwares lag behind.. wm5 is out but not all software makers have updated their products..NOTE AGAIN THIS IS NOT JASJARS FAULT..its YOURs you can wait 6 more months by then spbsoftware should have a pocketplus that works on wm5
3)dude again old applications like sktools dont work on wm5... if you want you can use pocket mechanic and memmaid ..they work fine.. for task manager i use dinarsoft handy sweitcher..not only its an excellent application but it works on wm5 aswelll...
4)you have your firewall and antivirus software and to blame for this...not jasjar..for me i had to FORMAT my laptop and install activesync before i turned on firewall and installed an antivirus program...only then did active sync work..and its flawless now.. oen word my personal experience trendmicro2002 doesnt work with AS however 2005 version of pcillin works with its personal firewall set to off...
hope i cleared up a few misconceptions for you
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Well,
1) That is annoying. I hadn't noticed that, but I'm sure it'll be addressed in future...
2) As zohaer21 says, that's purely because we have the latest, greatest bleeding edge technology, and the software developers have yet to catch up. (In the meantime, HandySwitcher is working perfectly on my device, no bugs, no crashes, just what it's meant to do!)
3) Have you tried installing anything from a .cab file to see if you still have a problem uninstalling? I'd guess ActiveSync is probably your problem...
4) Can't really help there...I'd suggest removing Activesync completely from your PC and installing it again from scratch. Personally I'm not using the bundled version of ActiveSync (4.1?) because I had an old 4.0.??? already but I don't think I've heard of anyone else with that issue yet so I'd assume it's a problem with your PC installation?
Carnivor said:
personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
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no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?
mat1t said:
Carnivor said:
personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
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no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?
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True, but MS changed WM5 significantly from WM2003, many more changes than Windows 2000 -> Windows XP. The biggest changes were (1) persistent storage and new memory handling and (2) WM5's compatibility with MS Smartphone apps. I am not surprised a good number of apps aren't working.
By the way, SPB's PocketPlus looks like it works with WM5 because they have screen shots on their web site of it running on a Windows Mobile 5 OS. But it may just not be compatible with the JasJar yet.
Carnivor said:
no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?
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It does not depend on that gap but on what they did durring that gap. If you do not change structural things, backwards compatibility can last a long time.
Actually the gap between WM2003SE and WM5 is quite large for some software developers. Notably some applications that synchronise databases (TimeTTRacker, Commontime mNotes) have to be rewritten from the ground up, even though we are only talking about a 1 year gap. Microsoft did change some crucial things, even if it does not show at first glance.
sorry, my post came across a bit bolshy. It wasn't intended.
I meant that developers would hope that they wouldn't have to re-write their apps every few years. I like the changes, because it adds more structure and makes it more of a uniform platform, but we've got to hope that they don't change these very often.
It would help if MS supplied the emulators for WM5 free of charge. (I'm yet to find any)
No worries
WM 5.0 SDK including emulator for PPC
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...F2-F524-4EC5-9155-717CBE5D25ED&displaylang=en
WM 5.0 SDK including emulator for Smartphone
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...CB-738A-4B97-8910-5CD29AB5F8D9&displaylang=en
SPB Pocket Plus version 3 works just fine on an i-Mate JasJar. Older versions of Pocket Plus will not work on WM5 devices of any kind, so upgrade to Version 3 and you can install it on your jasJar. I'm running it on mine.
hey mat1t dont worry about it,
just dont get put deisel in a petrol car, my analogy of the issues
louisk said:
SPB Pocket Plus version 3 works just fine on an i-Mate JasJar. Older versions of Pocket Plus will not work on WM5 devices of any kind, so upgrade to Version 3 and you can install it on your jasJar. I'm running it on mine.
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Correct!
It does work under WM5.0 Just make sure you are on version 3
If you are on Version 3 and still refuses to install, copy the CAB file over the device and execute/install from there.
DaleReeck said:
mat1t said:
Carnivor said:
By the way, SPB's PocketPlus looks like it works with WM5 because they have screen shots on their web site of it running on a Windows Mobile 5 OS. But it may just not be compatible with the JasJar yet.
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hi
it works but it makes it really slow (inlcuding the start up if you use the quick launch menu whatever)..i guess you can say its not wm5 optimized as yet
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SPB Pocket plus does install and work. I had to do a hard reset after I initially used my Jasjar and everything worked right. Like email accounts etc. What I would like to see is a program like gb tweak that keeps the gprs allways alive. But so for there is nothing out there. NO problems with my JasJar at all.
Mike
@Tekflow
Since you got a Jasjar, plz can you upload for us the Arabizer package from the Extended_Rom ?
Click Here! This is how they managed to copy it!
Thank you.
I have the file for you but cannot upload it on the server...
Please send me a PM and I will tell you where to donwload them.
Cheers
Daimaou said:
I have the file for you but cannot upload it on the server...
Please send me a PM and I will tell you where to donwload them.
Cheers
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Pm Sent
Just replied, and if someone can tell me why I cannot UL files on the server it would help me
Cheers
You have to use username:xdaupload password:xda to be able to upload
ftp://xdaupload:[email protected]
I have installed Avantgo on my M5000, but everything is really, really spaced out. If I try and go to options, everything is spaced out so much, I can hardly make out the few bits still visible on the screen, so I can't fix it that way, the only thing I can really do is Cancel back out...
Anyone got any ideas what has happened or how to fix it?
Thanks.
Avantgo is at alpha stage for wm5 so there are lots of issues. You would be better off uninstalling and waiting for development. Check out the Avantgo site for more info.
Cheers
Colin
yeah, that's been my approach
you can sign up with the avantgo help site so that you'll be notified of any developments - see http://avantgo.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/avantgo.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=297
Excellent. Thanks folks.
has anyone tried NewsBreak? (http://www.iliumsoft.com/site/nw/newsbreak.htm)
i've not got my Exec with me today, but from the website, it looks similar to avantgo - it might do as an alternative?
dalelane said:
has anyone tried NewsBreak? (http://www.iliumsoft.com/site/nw/newsbreak.htm)
i've not got my Exec with me today, but from the website, it looks similar to avantgo - it might do as an alternative?
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Works perfectly in Magician. Simple, useful and discrete.
Wow, Illiumsoft do some great stuff, don't they? I already have ListPro, probably getting eWallet... and now this?
The thing is, Avantgo is free, where as this is $30 :?
AvantGo update
from the AvantGo website:
"AvantGo is currently Quality Assurance testing for Windows Mobile 5.0 and it has not been "officially" supported because of issues mentioned below. We do hope to have a fully supported version out in early 2006.
If you still wish to use AvantGo software on a Windows Mobile 05 device AvantGo version 5.7.53 or above is required.
Users may encounter the following:
-Previous MS ActiveSync users will have to remove MS Active Sync and AvantGo before installing the MS Active Sync 4.0 for Windows Mobile 05. Otherwise we have seen that the desktop and the device will not communicate.
- Problems syncing with Active Sync: If you experience problems syncing through Active Sync you may initiate an AvantGo synchronization from the AvantGo browser. Click here for instructions.
- VGA display issues: AvantGo optimization for VGA screens are not yet available. All content will be double-sized by the device.
- Options panel layout issues: The browser options panels and AvantGo Connect may not show text or buttons properly for the available screen width."
The WM5 development kit has been out for months and months. Actual devices for at least a couple of months. Maybe if AvantGo and so many other vendors who are completely unprepared for WM5 would have gotten off their a$$es and started develpment earlier, we wouldn't have to wait until "early 2006" for them to support their product properly. WM5 compatibility is not optional :evil:
Maybe if we were actually handing money over to Avantgo they would have a reason to do it quicker. As it is we pay nothing. Just relax and wait. It will be worth it.
FYI: Tweaks2K2 .NET version 3.15.0 fixes the Oversize problem in WM2005.
Use feature #75-Double Pixeling deactivation for individual programs in VGA Devices.
version 6.0.3006 is now out and is supported on WM5 now, but it still doesn't sync with active sync for me. They used to say this about the problem for the previous version which i did and had not effect:-
Previous MS ActiveSync users will have to remove MS Active Sync and AvantGo before installing the MS Active Sync 4.0 for Windows Mobile 05. Otherwise we have seen that the desktop and the device will not communicate.
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Now they say "AvantGo must be re-installed following every install of Microsoft Active Sync
If you experience problems syncing through Active Sync: make sure the Pocket PC OS version installed on your device is 5.1.1702 or greater (Go to: Start > Settings > About). If your device has a previous version of the Pocket PC OS, check with your device manufacturer to see if an OS upgrade is available. Alternatively, you may initiate an AvantGo synchronization from the AvantGo client. From the AvantGo toolbar (bottom of screen), select Tools > Sync."
So my o2 xda exec has OS 5.1.1700 is that why it is not working?
does anyone here actually have 5.1.1702 on their machine?
if so what device have you got?
is it available in the new o2 xda exec rom that came out yesterday?
thanks
their support pages do say that this AvantGo version is not compatible with smartphone versions of Windows Mobile, and that a smartphone-friendly version will be available in Q1 2006 - could that be why you're having trouble?
they also say that it doesnt support VGA screen resolutions :-(
Use NEWSBREAK "http://www.iliumsoft.com/site/nw/newsbreak.htm"
Excelent RSS reader... not free but the best. Quick Channel refresh, low ressouces, excellent space saving (i´ve mine in STORAGE).
Bye
dalelane said:
their support pages do say that this AvantGo version is not compatible with smartphone versions of Windows Mobile, and that a smartphone-friendly version will be available in Q1 2006 - could that be why you're having trouble?
they also say that it doesnt support VGA screen resolutions :-(
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Yeah, I mean, why should they support VGA? VGA devices have been out for only TWO YEARS. Just now they are getting around to it? :evil:
dalelane said:
their support pages do say that this AvantGo version is not compatible with smartphone versions of Windows Mobile, and that a smartphone-friendly version will be available in Q1 2006 - could that be why you're having trouble?
they also say that it doesnt support VGA screen resolutions :-(
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i haven't got a smartphone its a wm5 pocket pc!
as for vga support you can use the vga dll hack that tweaks2k2 does and it makes it much more useable.
but back to the original question does anyone have 5.1.1702 on their device?
no takers then? I can only assume that this version does not exist for the universal.
Yes, AvantGo now works with WM5 but no, the new AvantGo still won't work on a VGA device - the fonts are all messed up (I know, I tried). So, no go on the Universal. AvantGo says Q1 06 for VGA support.
DaleReeck said:
Yes, AvantGo now works with WM5 but no, the new AvantGo still won't work on a VGA device - the fonts are all messed up (I know, I tried). So, no go on the Universal. AvantGo says Q1 06 for VGA support.
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the vga issue can be solved with the hack from tweaks2k2, but did you get it to sync with active sync, or did you have to go into the avantgo software and force a sync from there?
Actually, it syned fine via desktop activesync. And it could sync directly from the PPC too. Both ways were fine. It was just the fonts issue. I have Tweaks2K but I may just wait for the VGA update.
Strangley enough, I had activesync 3.8 with one WM3SE PPC configured already and old AvantGo already installed, upgraded to activesync 4 and added the Universal as a second PPC. I then upgraded AvantGo to the new version and both PPC's worked fine syncing via activesync. The reason I say "strangely" is, I heard the horror stories about this exact scenario, yet everything worked fine. Well, except the VGA fonts that is.
Thanks dalereek, back to the drawing board for me then as i have tried everything I can think of now to make it work! I wonder why yours does and mine doesn't.
Can anyone suggest some good applications that I can sync PPC WM5 with Address Book and Ical on Mac OSx?
Thanks in advance.
Mark
pocketmac and missing sync
missing sync 2,5 is ok but not great. 3.0 is the lastest version, but have not tested that one
andreas
andemann said:
3.0 is the lastest version, but have not tested that one
andreas
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3.0 works fine if you don't have WM6 and turn off the 'enable advanced networking in stuff' in connection 'USB to PC'.
However you may need to try the new beta of Missing Sync for WM6 compatibility.
Hope this helps,
Russ
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3.0 works fine [...]
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3.0 works...sometimes...when it doesn't fail and has to be re initialized in order to get back to working !
Hi markyeungcy
I answer the same question you posted the other day See here
The current version 3.0.2(335) worked with my trinity device running WM5 with little issues. However the trinity in not listed in the manufactures guide as a supported device.
The new beta version 4 still does not offer support for the device yet but is in testing stage.
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Hi markyeungcy
I answer the same question you posted the other day See here
The current version 3.0.2(335) worked with my trinity device running WM5 with little issues. However the trinity in not listed in the manufactures guide as a supported device.
The new beta version 4 still does not offer support for the device yet but is in testing stage.
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v4 is actually in alpha stages, not even beta. Its really buggy(buggier lol) compared to a buggy v3 . My mbp freeze everytime I mount my drive. I can live with just syncing it. It shows promise but I think it will still be buggy when they release the "stable" version.
v3, does not recognize any files in my card for some reason, I hope they fix that.
Missing sync is the only option for now the other one (I forgot what its called) has support til wm2003, the wm5 has been in beta for a long time. I dont think they can bring wm6 any time soon.
So it seems there is something missing from "the missing sync"-the sync D)
I found the most reliable why to sync with my mac is via an exchange server (over 3G or WiFi). NeilM suggested a company called 4SmartPhone which I have been using for nearly a year to sync my mac's addressbook, calendar and E-Mail with my pocketpc. The data charges are not expensive either.
Perhaps I'm being a penis but can you update the HD2 like a desktop edition of windows i.e. vista / 7 on the flyi.e. over 3G/wifi or are any updates only via Sync?
What is this, I don't even
Windows 6.1 had an update option in the start menu, and that used a data connection/wi-fi - whatever was available. I suppose you could download updates and do it via the usb cable. Anyway, if this option still exists in 6.5, I've not seen it anywhere.
This is probably all moot anyway. I don't think Microsoft bother making updates for windows mobile. That's what xda devs is for
Thanks - I guessed there are very few updates for Winmo just an idea
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I don't think Microsoft bother making updates for windows mobile. That's what xda devs is for
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And where would chefs here on xda get those updates if MS didn't make them? Of course they make updates (called Adaptation Kit Upgrades, referred to as AKU usually), they just don't distribute them to end users. There's a big difference between WM and your desktop system, for major updates on your phone you'll usually have to reflash the whole ROM image. And that ROM image is made by the OEM, not Microsoft, and includes tons of OEM software and drivers. This software can even break with a new update, so pushing OS changes directly could cause lots of problems. So the only safe way to have updates would be from the OEM (HTC in our case). Or we can get them unofficially here.
The Windows Update applet in earlier versions of WM had only minor updates such as daylight time database changes and so on, so I guess it was rarely used by anyone.
Thanks for the Info - I get the drift