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Jasjar/Universal: Too many bugs ??

I started yesterday working with my new i-mate Jasjar, and, already, I am lost in so many bugs and bad issues.
1- ActiveSync 4 does not support backup/restore of the device. I know this is a "known" issue, but it is a real bad one!
2- Some programs cannot be installed at all, like SPB PocketPlus. On another hand, all task switchers (and program closers) make problems, and end up by soft resetting the device.
3- A big problem: I cannot uninstall any of the programs I installed, whether on the main memory or the storage card, whether by using ActiveSync (from the desktop), or Remove Programs (in Settings) or any third party software, like SKTools!
4- Synchronizing through ActiveSync is not always straight forward. Sometimes the device is not recognized, or, when recognized, synchronize cannot start, or, when it does start, it never ends.
Did any of you experience any of these problems?
Any suggestions, or we have to wait for a ROM upgrade ?

Spb pocketplus may not be supported by wm05?.Perhaps the next release will work though as i'm getting either the wizard or universal so I hope it does!

personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
bugs are ok, it makes the patches more anticipated, and of course, with out this kind of feedback sofware houses wouldn't always reveal the issues before software is released.

Tekflow said:
I started yesterday working with my new i-mate Jasjar, and, already, I am lost in so many bugs and bad issues.
1- ActiveSync 4 does not support backup/restore of the device. I know this is a "known" issue, but it is a real bad one!
2- Some programs cannot be installed at all, like SPB PocketPlus. On another hand, all task switchers (and program closers) make problems, and end up by soft resetting the device.
3- A big problem: I cannot uninstall any of the programs I installed, whether on the main memory or the storage card, whether by using ActiveSync (from the desktop), or Remove Programs (in Settings) or any third party software, like SKTools!
4- Synchronizing through ActiveSync is not always straight forward. Sometimes the device is not recognized, or, when recognized, synchronize cannot start, or, when it does start, it never ends.
Did any of you experience any of these problems?
Any suggestions, or we have to wait for a ROM upgrade ?
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dude all of these are software (activesync and windows 5 related) none are related to jasjar...the jasjar is the most stable imate device EVER
yes there are issues between the new active sync and windows and firewall and the antivirus that you run but these are Microsofts faults not jasjars...
to answer your questions
1) this is a bummer.. i really wish they had given the option of backing up device..anywyas thats why you have ppc softwares that do backup..the one working on wm5 is sunnysoft backup..
2)most of the softwares lag behind.. wm5 is out but not all software makers have updated their products..NOTE AGAIN THIS IS NOT JASJARS FAULT..its YOURs you can wait 6 more months by then spbsoftware should have a pocketplus that works on wm5
3)dude again old applications like sktools dont work on wm5... if you want you can use pocket mechanic and memmaid ..they work fine.. for task manager i use dinarsoft handy sweitcher..not only its an excellent application but it works on wm5 aswelll...
4)you have your firewall and antivirus software and to blame for this...not jasjar..for me i had to FORMAT my laptop and install activesync before i turned on firewall and installed an antivirus program...only then did active sync work..and its flawless now.. oen word my personal experience trendmicro2002 doesnt work with AS however 2005 version of pcillin works with its personal firewall set to off...
hope i cleared up a few misconceptions for you
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Well,
1) That is annoying. I hadn't noticed that, but I'm sure it'll be addressed in future...
2) As zohaer21 says, that's purely because we have the latest, greatest bleeding edge technology, and the software developers have yet to catch up. (In the meantime, HandySwitcher is working perfectly on my device, no bugs, no crashes, just what it's meant to do!)
3) Have you tried installing anything from a .cab file to see if you still have a problem uninstalling? I'd guess ActiveSync is probably your problem...
4) Can't really help there...I'd suggest removing Activesync completely from your PC and installing it again from scratch. Personally I'm not using the bundled version of ActiveSync (4.1?) because I had an old 4.0.??? already but I don't think I've heard of anyone else with that issue yet so I'd assume it's a problem with your PC installation?

Carnivor said:
personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
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no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?

mat1t said:
Carnivor said:
personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
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no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?
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True, but MS changed WM5 significantly from WM2003, many more changes than Windows 2000 -> Windows XP. The biggest changes were (1) persistent storage and new memory handling and (2) WM5's compatibility with MS Smartphone apps. I am not surprised a good number of apps aren't working.
By the way, SPB's PocketPlus looks like it works with WM5 because they have screen shots on their web site of it running on a Windows Mobile 5 OS. But it may just not be compatible with the JasJar yet.

Carnivor said:
no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?
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It does not depend on that gap but on what they did durring that gap. If you do not change structural things, backwards compatibility can last a long time.
Actually the gap between WM2003SE and WM5 is quite large for some software developers. Notably some applications that synchronise databases (TimeTTRacker, Commontime mNotes) have to be rewritten from the ground up, even though we are only talking about a 1 year gap. Microsoft did change some crucial things, even if it does not show at first glance.

sorry, my post came across a bit bolshy. It wasn't intended.
I meant that developers would hope that they wouldn't have to re-write their apps every few years. I like the changes, because it adds more structure and makes it more of a uniform platform, but we've got to hope that they don't change these very often.
It would help if MS supplied the emulators for WM5 free of charge. (I'm yet to find any)

No worries
WM 5.0 SDK including emulator for PPC
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...F2-F524-4EC5-9155-717CBE5D25ED&displaylang=en
WM 5.0 SDK including emulator for Smartphone
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...CB-738A-4B97-8910-5CD29AB5F8D9&displaylang=en

SPB Pocket Plus version 3 works just fine on an i-Mate JasJar. Older versions of Pocket Plus will not work on WM5 devices of any kind, so upgrade to Version 3 and you can install it on your jasJar. I'm running it on mine.

hey mat1t dont worry about it,
just dont get put deisel in a petrol car, my analogy of the issues

louisk said:
SPB Pocket Plus version 3 works just fine on an i-Mate JasJar. Older versions of Pocket Plus will not work on WM5 devices of any kind, so upgrade to Version 3 and you can install it on your jasJar. I'm running it on mine.
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Correct!
It does work under WM5.0 Just make sure you are on version 3
If you are on Version 3 and still refuses to install, copy the CAB file over the device and execute/install from there.

DaleReeck said:
mat1t said:
Carnivor said:
By the way, SPB's PocketPlus looks like it works with WM5 because they have screen shots on their web site of it running on a Windows Mobile 5 OS. But it may just not be compatible with the JasJar yet.
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hi
it works but it makes it really slow (inlcuding the start up if you use the quick launch menu whatever)..i guess you can say its not wm5 optimized as yet
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SPB Pocket plus does install and work. I had to do a hard reset after I initially used my Jasjar and everything worked right. Like email accounts etc. What I would like to see is a program like gb tweak that keeps the gprs allways alive. But so for there is nothing out there. NO problems with my JasJar at all.
Mike

@Tekflow
Since you got a Jasjar, plz can you upload for us the Arabizer package from the Extended_Rom ?
Click Here! This is how they managed to copy it!
Thank you.

I have the file for you but cannot upload it on the server...
Please send me a PM and I will tell you where to donwload them.
Cheers

Daimaou said:
I have the file for you but cannot upload it on the server...
Please send me a PM and I will tell you where to donwload them.
Cheers
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Pm Sent

Just replied, and if someone can tell me why I cannot UL files on the server it would help me
Cheers

You have to use username:xdaupload password:xda to be able to upload
ftp://xdaupload:[email protected]

AvantGo Oversized

I have installed Avantgo on my M5000, but everything is really, really spaced out. If I try and go to options, everything is spaced out so much, I can hardly make out the few bits still visible on the screen, so I can't fix it that way, the only thing I can really do is Cancel back out...
Anyone got any ideas what has happened or how to fix it?
Thanks.

Avantgo is at alpha stage for wm5 so there are lots of issues. You would be better off uninstalling and waiting for development. Check out the Avantgo site for more info.
Cheers
Colin

yeah, that's been my approach
you can sign up with the avantgo help site so that you'll be notified of any developments - see http://avantgo.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/avantgo.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=297

Excellent. Thanks folks.

has anyone tried NewsBreak? (http://www.iliumsoft.com/site/nw/newsbreak.htm)
i've not got my Exec with me today, but from the website, it looks similar to avantgo - it might do as an alternative?

dalelane said:
has anyone tried NewsBreak? (http://www.iliumsoft.com/site/nw/newsbreak.htm)
i've not got my Exec with me today, but from the website, it looks similar to avantgo - it might do as an alternative?
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Works perfectly in Magician. Simple, useful and discrete.

Wow, Illiumsoft do some great stuff, don't they? I already have ListPro, probably getting eWallet... and now this?
The thing is, Avantgo is free, where as this is $30 :?

AvantGo update
from the AvantGo website:
"AvantGo is currently Quality Assurance testing for Windows Mobile 5.0 and it has not been "officially" supported because of issues mentioned below. We do hope to have a fully supported version out in early 2006.
If you still wish to use AvantGo software on a Windows Mobile 05 device AvantGo version 5.7.53 or above is required.
Users may encounter the following:
-Previous MS ActiveSync users will have to remove MS Active Sync and AvantGo before installing the MS Active Sync 4.0 for Windows Mobile 05. Otherwise we have seen that the desktop and the device will not communicate.
- Problems syncing with Active Sync: If you experience problems syncing through Active Sync you may initiate an AvantGo synchronization from the AvantGo browser. Click here for instructions.
- VGA display issues: AvantGo optimization for VGA screens are not yet available. All content will be double-sized by the device.
- Options panel layout issues: The browser options panels and AvantGo Connect may not show text or buttons properly for the available screen width."

The WM5 development kit has been out for months and months. Actual devices for at least a couple of months. Maybe if AvantGo and so many other vendors who are completely unprepared for WM5 would have gotten off their a$$es and started develpment earlier, we wouldn't have to wait until "early 2006" for them to support their product properly. WM5 compatibility is not optional :evil:

Maybe if we were actually handing money over to Avantgo they would have a reason to do it quicker. As it is we pay nothing. Just relax and wait. It will be worth it.

FYI: Tweaks2K2 .NET version 3.15.0 fixes the Oversize problem in WM2005.
Use feature #75-Double Pixeling deactivation for individual programs in VGA Devices.

T-mobile mda pro requires WM upgrade to work with Avantgo

See Avantgo have posted new FAQ's about their latest version.
Seems my sync problem requires a newer windows mobile release from my vendor. T-mobile.
I cant believe these devices are released and consumers have to wait for s/w , firmware patches to get the thing working and usable.
Consumers need better protection and rights.

Re: T-mobile mda pro requires WM upgrade to work with Avantg
GDawes said:
See Avantgo have posted new FAQ's about their latest version.
Seems my sync problem requires a newer windows mobile release from my vendor. T-mobile.
I cant believe these devices are released and consumers have to wait for s/w , firmware patches to get the thing working and usable.
Consumers need better protection and rights.
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You can download the 'tweaker' from http://www.teaks2k2.com. In demo version, it allows you to run 3 times... More then enough to use it to 'patch' the avantgo.exe (the one on the Universal) to force the correct VGA mode. Worked fine for me, and no changes to the device, only to the avantgo.exe

tweaker wont make any difference
It is a bug in sync'ing not the displayer. The tweaker will only fix display bugs.

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It is a bug in sync'ing not the displayer. The tweaker will only fix display bugs.
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I noticed the problem with the link with active sync too, but once connected to the pc with the ActiveSync you can flawless update your Avantgo information when you sync from the local app on the Universal trough your PC to avoid connections/data costs.

Syncing with Vista

Any of you guys been able to sync your TyTN with Windows Vista.
I'm running Vista Beta 2 v5536 - and syncing is a nightmare.....
ptm

When you say syncing is a nightmare, do you get the setup option for windows mobile center. The similar problem I have is that I only get the connection settings thats it.

In Vista, ActiveSync is replaced by a new app called Windows Mobile Device Centre. By default in Beta 2, this isn't installed, so all you can do is copy file on and off the TyTn.
To install WMDC, you need to plug the device in and let it install the default driver etc. Then, run Windows Update, and you'll have a new Optional Update to install WMDC. Then, let this update run, reboot the machine and plug in the device again. It'll install new drivers again - I think you then need to unplug and replug the device again and you should be sorted.

Thanks Ptm, this used to be the case in the old build. But ever since build 5536 which was released few days ago, it stopped downloading the files automatically. I have run windows updates repeatedly without luck.

I am having the same problem, it syncs my storage card with the media player, and I can browse the device.
But I cannot get it to sync anything else.
I am running Vista 5536.

ah - you're running pre-RC1 builds rather than post beta 2 builds. The WMDC app has changed for RC1 and the registry key required to get the new app downloaded from WU has also changed. You'll have to wait until RC1 comes out - won't be long now

Windows Vista and HTC Prophet Upgrade
I have been living with Windows Vista Beta 2 Build 5384 since June. This is an "evoluting version" that is upgraded/improved/corrected from time to time. All in all I should not have done that and stay with XP Pro but I was not sure how to unistall it. However, the Windows Mobile Sync function works well with my HTC prophet (Qtek S200) which is equipped with ROM 2.15.23.27 WME, 3/9/06, Radio version 02.19.21, Protocol version 4.1.13.09, ExtROM version 2.15.13.121. Last week, after a little research, I decide to upgrade with RUU_Prophet_2151327_22113102_022021_Dopod_PDAMobizEdition_v101 though I was not that sure that it was really an upgrade (I was looking for the Push-Email feature). In any event, the upgrade program did not work. I am stuck. It stopped regularly with a code error [202]: Th update utility (V2.5.2) could not connect to the PDA Phone. All comments are welcome

I think the sync of media player works much better with Vista Pre RC1 than active sync, I have a dual boot, so the other functions I can still use XP.
I hope this is better in RC1 out on Tuesday?

I am using RC1 (build 5600) and still cannot get the Mobile Center up.
I've connected my WM5 BA and although I can browse it - it's as though Mobile Center doesn't recognise it's a WM5 device so doesn't start up. And Activesync, like before, still cannot be installed on 55XX and 56XX builds. Looks like its just a broken feature.

Biohead said:
I am using RC1 (build 5600) and still cannot get the Mobile Center up.
I've connected my WM5 BA and although I can browse it - it's as though Mobile Center doesn't recognise it's a WM5 device so doesn't start up. And Activesync, like before, still cannot be installed on 55XX and 56XX builds. Looks like its just a broken feature.
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No, it's not broken in RC1 - it's just different to the WMDC for beta 2 and I don't think the enabler has been posted publicly yet. The enabler allows you to download the download WMDC from Windows Update by adding a registry key. The new version of WMDC works fine in RC1 (I work for Microsoft btw, so I've got access to the internal versions, but I'm using RC1 - 5600 - and WMDC is fine)

It is difficult for me to argue with a genuine specialist of Microsoft but with respect to the Sync function, I recall that the "Windows Mobile Device Center" that has replaced in Windows Vista the ActiveSync 4.1 of the past did not work until I triggered the firewall options. After it worked well though the Notes included in the Contacts (MC Outlook) are not synchronised correctly. Hence, my surprise for the impossibility to upgrade as explained above.

Ok, I will have to wait until next week to test your views on RC1, as that when its comes on MSDN, subscription which I have.

I'm on 5600 to - any help with WMDC? *cough*

Hey petes. How is RC1, is it stable enough to use as an everyday OS. Does office 2007 work ok on it? Does it work with windows server 2003 r2?

nickcerda said:
Hey petes. How is RC1, is it stable enough to use as an everyday OS. Does office 2007 work ok on it? Does it work with windows server 2003 r2?
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RC1 - 5600 - seems very solid. I don't know what the plans are for a later public build of Office 2007, but the build I'm running (which is quite a bit later than beta 2) seems really happy on RC1 - I haven't had any crashes at all - but then 5600 was only cut on 30th os it's pretty new. However, the interim CTP builds have really been making strides each month. I no longer have an XP SP2 partition on my machine - I, and I think many others, will see RC1 as the time to switch.

I'm using Vista Beta 2 and sych with TyTN is fine.
However, I'm having trouble using my TyTN as a laptop modem under IR, bluetooth or USB. Do any Vista users have a similar experience?

I'm using Vista Beta 2 and sych with TyTN is fine.
However, I'm having trouble using my TyTN as a laptop modem under IR, bluetooth or USB. Do any Vista users have a similar experience?

Solved my own problem and I can now use my phone as a laptop modem, by bluetooth, IR and USB with Windows Vista (needed to hard reset my Hermes).

hi,
i'm using 5536 and when i click sync in wmedia player the program crashes. it says a problem caused the program to stop working. any ideas?
thanks.

I have got RC1.5600 now, but the sync still does not work, may I need a fix to enable this, or have to do a hard reset of my tytn.

Wizard as a Vista Sideshow device?

You'd think it would be built in, but does anyone know if it will be possible to use the Wizard as a Windows Sideshow device in Vista? I got a horizontal dock for this thing just so I'd be able to run a gadget or two on it, but I'm surprised they didn't have it working out of the box ... with the popularity of the Wizard at Microsoft.

A quick search on google shows that there is quite a lot of interest for this.
IMO, it is almost certain this functionality will be added to Windows Mobile devices; lets just hope they don't limit it to WM6 devices.
Jörg

Very Good idea, I got some old phones with 2.5" LCD working, it is now time to wake them!

um.. install resco photo viewer.. i remember this feature on my hp6515a and after installing resco i have it back!

jacob-mda said:
um.. install resco photo viewer.. i remember this feature on my hp6515a and after installing resco i have it back!
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I guess they meant side show not slide show

whats the difference lol

jacob-mda said:
whats the difference lol
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Sideshow is a technology included with Windows Vista that allows for an external LCD to display widgets, even with the PC powered off. This allows you to see at a glance the weather, if you have e-mail, etc. It's primary use is in tiny LCDs on notebook covers, though if you could use your mobile for this, that would be really neat too.

MS is working on an app that does work on the Wizard, I have used a beta. It was very bugy but it worked.

How about this:
http://www.innobec.com/en/products.php
It adds a virtual display driver to your Windows (XP); this display is an activesync-connected PDA.
I have tried the trial version, and it appears to work (allthough a bit unstable, but I was using a bluetooth connection at the time).
Jörg

alandashby said:
MS is working on an app that does work on the Wizard, I have used a beta. It was very bugy but it worked.
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Can you upload that beta?

V J said:
How about this:
http://www.innobec.com/en/products.php
It adds a virtual display driver to your Windows (XP); this display is an activesync-connected PDA.
I have tried the trial version, and it appears to work (allthough a bit unstable, but I was using a bluetooth connection at the time).
Jörg
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This doesn't work with Active Sync 4.5 and or WM6
looks like they might be scrapping the development of this because of the similar features in vista.

computer9cowboy said:
This doesn't work with Active Sync 4.5 and or WM6 looks like they might be scrapping the development of this because of the similar features in vista.
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Hah, I hadn't tried it with 4.5; nor does my device have WM6. But in a way it makes sense to stop this functionality. Still, I only recently came across it and thought it could have given some people some ideas.
Jörg

V J said:
Hah, I hadn't tried it with 4.5; nor does my device have WM6. But in a way it makes sense to stop this functionality. Still, I only recently came across it and thought it could have given some people some ideas.
Jörg
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I wasn't crapping on it, I think it looks cool. I wish it worked for me. I would rather have WM6 than a 320x240 extension to my desktop though. I already have a dual monitor setup.

Sidewindow can be alternative of sideshow but you have to run samurize plugins on that display to look like sideshow. Microsoft states that mobile devices can be used as sideshow with vista, i have tryed many ways and i have no success with this task

I saw one of the Microsoft Powerpoint presentations on their website presenting the sideshow feature and one of the devices among the usual picture frames and things was actually a Smartphone, it looks like in house at microsoft they have done it but jsut not yet for us. EDIT: See http://download.microsoft.com/downl...56b-d47a59388df0/pdc_2005_auxilarydisplay.ppt

Just came across this:
http://www.zoneos.com/index.htm
It works with ActiveSync 4.5 and with WM5 (even though the ppc executable only states 2003). Functionality is the same as the innobec software: it adds a virtual display driver.
Jörg

V J said:
Just came across this:
http://www.zoneos.com/index.htm
It works with ActiveSync 4.5 and with WM5 (even though the ppc executable only states 2003). Functionality is the same as the innobec software: it adds a virtual display driver.
Jörg
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Works on WiFi with Server 2003 and WM6 as the client. Very cool, not very usefull but very cool.

Could someone post the Pocket PC and Windows Vista files for ZoneScreen? Unfortunately, the author has removed all the files from his site in favor of the open source release (http://sourceforge.net/projects/zonescreen/) which only has the files for Windows XP.

Best uses for Sideshow
The best usage of this will be with remote controls for Media Center PC's. You'll be able to sit outside on the porch and browse your music files or other media without needing to see the TV screen. This way you can have speakers outside and you can play whatever music you want. Added functionality will be when they finally make the app for windows mobile devices so that you won't even need a third party remote. With 3G devices such as the Hermes (8525) you won't even need to connect via wifi or bluetooth. You'll see all your album art, receive feedback of "now playing" items, etc. It will turn your pda into an expensive 2-way touchpanel such as Crestron, AMX, or ELAN offer. I say screw the laptops. Check out this link and then imagine that on your PDA.
<http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/21/ricavisions-vista-mce-sideshow-remote-does-bluetooth-at-100-met/>

All those complaining about why it doesn't work on vista:
You need ActiveSync for this application which has been replaced with Mobile Device User Center, so it doesn't work. I hope there's an update on the way to make it work, because in partnership with konfabulator widgets, it's incredible. It had it built in a case, and it displayed all the systems specs via widgets.