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I have been running SPB GPRS Monitor to assess email programs. What I just noticed tonight is that it takes 30-40KB to connect to GPRS. I can't readily tell if T-Mobile is charging me for that data.
I had my GPRS connection set for Always on. A problem with always on, or for that matter autofetch on email, is that every time the device loses its Edge or GPRS connection, then regains it, there is around a 35K data use, at least according to SPB GPRS Monitor.
Does anyone know of a GPRS toggle program?
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Of course, SPB GPRS monitor has a toggle. There is a feature I didn't know about because I had the popup turned off.
24 hours later, my phone used over 400KB connecting to GPRS. Turning GPRS on uses over 30KB, and if the phone connection is lost (which happens frequently in my home and office) it is usually over 10KB to reconnect.
Meanwhile I looked at my bill, and T-Mobile billed me for less data than SPB says I used, so perhaps T-Mobile isn't including the time spent connecting to the network. On the other hand, there was one day where T-Mo said I used over 1.5 MB and SPB says I used less than 1.1, a large discrepancy.
Are you able to recive your mails thru the GPRS connection? I have to use a proxy server for the GPRS to work, but I can't get new mails thru this GPRS connection with proxy. (using build in messaging application)
I can get new mails when using WiFi...
Can you change any settings to allow mail download over GPRS, thur proxy...?
thanks
CIAO!
VOODOOS!L
I do receive mail
I don't use a proxy server but have T-Mobile settings. Can you browse the web on GPRS? You need the settings for your carrier.
Yes I can browse the web, but for that I need to set the proxy server and server port explicitly within Opera 8.60
Within the GPRS connection I activated the checkbox to use a proxy server and set al settings correctly, still the messaging application don't want to use the GPRS connection. MSN doesn't work over the GPRS neighter.
At the messaging account settings, within the advanced settings I only can select as 'Connect to' -> 'The internet' or 'Work', but not my GPRS connection.
What is your setting for the connection within the advanced settings of you messaging account?
Thanks
VOODOOS!L said:
Yes I can browse the web, but for that I need to set the proxy server and server port explicitly within Opera 8.60
Within the GPRS connection I activated the checkbox to use a proxy server and set al settings correctly, still the messaging application don't want to use the GPRS connection. MSN doesn't work over the GPRS neighter.
At the messaging account settings, within the advanced settings I only can select as 'Connect to' -> 'The internet' or 'Work', but not my GPRS connection.
What is your setting for the connection within the advanced settings of you messaging account?
Thanks
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I have the standard APN=internet2.voicestream.com setting, which is automatically inserted by the T-Mo customization in the 2.26 ROM (I have another thread on this). You might solve your problem with this extensive thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=20428&highlight=internet2+voicestream
Meanwhile, this is a thread about GPRS data use, not about solving GPRS problems.
I am by Base and everything works fine without a proxy. Here are the settings taken from their website :
BASE Data (Internet over GPRS) instellingen
APN: gprs.base.be
User name : base
Password: base
DNS servers: dynamic
SMTP Relay (Optional): mail.internetmail.be
http://www.base.be/BASE/nl/Home/Producten/Diensten/Mobile_Data/page.aspx/1915
You shoul NOT use the settings for Wap over Gprs! You should use Internet over Gprs settings.
Lio said:
I am by Base and everything works fine without a proxy. Here are the settings taken from their website :
BASE Data (Internet over GPRS) instellingen
APN: gprs.base.be
User name : base
Password: base
DNS servers: dynamic
SMTP Relay (Optional): mail.internetmail.be
http://www.base.be/BASE/nl/Home/Producten/Diensten/Mobile_Data/page.aspx/1915
You shoul NOT use the settings for Wap over Gprs! You should use Internet over Gprs settings.
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Thanks for that, actually, I'm using Base I-mode (7€/20MB = 0,35€/MB) instead of the real GPRS option (2,5€/MB)
But for I-mode on a Windows Mobile phone, you need to use a specific proxy, else it won't work
So in fact, this GPRS is not really supported by Base, and that's why I can't ask Base for a solution
i will take a look at the mentioned link, thanks anyway!!
CIAO!
VOODOOS!L
Yeah, I read about the I-mode hack.
Instead I went for "BASE Data Access+"
5€ for 10MB and then 2,50€/MB.
Terribly sorry about hijacking this thread
Data use
I've now tested this further. "Normal" turning on the GPRS when the phone connection has been lost requires 40KB of data flow, according to SPB GPRS Monitor. This turns out to be most of the data I'm using, just connecting ten or so times per day, that is, connecting requires 500KB of data when I am in a place where I lose my connection frequently.
It is still mysterious why email takes so much data, too. With ten messages existing on the server, all having been read, to delete two takes 40KB of data. Sending a 2KB message usually takes 10KB. Why the overhead? (I keep my server mostly clean, just unanswered emails on it).
I have a Vodafone branded X1 which I'm using with my T-Mobile sim. I have gone into the registry and unlocked the default connections (My ISP and WEB) and changed them to work with T-Mobile.
Opera, panels, IE and comm manager connect fine.
Messaging (Email), Windows Live, and Messenger all say they cannot connect (It doesn't even look like they try and connect)
It appears they have been set to only work with Vodafone's default settings, is there anywhere i can modify to make these work?
when you edited WEB and My ISP did you untick the connect to internet via proxy option? but leave this connection connects to internet checked
hotmail etc is working on my phone and the only changes i've made are the ones i gave you on the other thread, except I'm on o2.
Yep, I did all that and I still get problems, the message I get from Windows Live is "Windows Live was unable to establish an Internet connection. Please check your Internet settings and make sure that you have access to data services under your billing plan. If you need help, please contact your mobile service provider."
It doesn't even try to use the My ISP or WEB connections before it shows that message.
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i had a similiar problem where only opera connected and not msn.
I removed all connections completely (do not only edit them) and restart and recreate.
then it started to work again..
ried removing all the connections completely and I still get the same issues with mail and messenger.
It looks to me like they aren't even trying to look for, or establish a connection before throwing the error
that's exactly how it looked to me, when I was trying to fix it last night. then it all fell into place. it almost looked like it new it wasn't going to work and couldn't be bothered trying! I think the last thing I did was disable connecting by proxy on the WEB connection.
I promise you it is something wrong with your settings and not with Live or Messaging.
I've tried everything I think I can with the connection settings, can you list your settings please eyebeebe?
I assume you're using these settings:
GPRS APN address: general.t-mobile.uk
Gateway (IP) address :149.254.1.10 (alt: 149.254.201.132)
Username : user (alt: wapuser)
Password: wap
Session type: Continuous / permanent
Port number: 8080 (alt: 9201)
Authentication: Normal
Is your Artemis on T-mobile? Can you mirror it's settings? For example you made need to connect via proxy and enter the Gateway IP address as above if you haven't already.
If you've done that already send me a PM and we can go through my settings on MSN...
Hi
I was wondering how to know if WiFi has priority over 3G when its enabled because I notice when I have WiFi enabled and do send and receive in my outlook it's turning on the data connection option in connectivity (thats 3G I'm guessing) and downloading stuff. Ideally I'd like it to use the WiFi if its enabled but am not sure if it is?
Can someone clarify please!
Thanks
I'd like to know the answer to this too.
The only solution I've found which is quite crap to be honest is to set up a fake dummy connection or go
All settings > Connections tab > Connections > Advanced tab > Select Networks
Then choose My ISP or anything that doesn't have a modem connection defined. You'll then have to turn on wifi whenever you want to access the net. This isn't exactly ideal to be honest.
From what I've found out today and from searching on here is that it's the windows mobile live client has got it built in to prioritize GPRS/3G etc over Wifi ...
utter crap so I looked up alternate ways to get hotmail you can use pop3 and stuff but not sure it will sync like IMAP does, but that's the only solution I've found for now. So change the network connection to something other than mobile web when you're on wifi then change it to mobile web when you're on the streets etc and don't have wifi access.
Must be a better way though??? There's been so many people ask this on this forum and everyone of them got half arsed replies.
Outlook plus pop is ok, that is it use wifi if it is available and 3G otherwise. The problem is on hotmail accessed using windows live.
I found a solution in using HTTPMail provider 1.5 to access hotmail (it is not free but cheap enough). You can find it googling around.
I read reports around about problems during installation so I simply extracted the files (HTTPMail.dll, MIME.dll, HTTPTransport.dll and HTTPMailReg.exe) from the cab and copied them under \windows, registered manually HTTPMail.dll, MIME.dll and HTTPTransport.dll using regsvr_arm.exe (you can find it at http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=80255&d=1207768826) and registered the software using HTTPMailReg.exe
After installation an hotmail account can be created using this procedure.
Open Inbox
Tap Accounts and choose "New Account"
Enter your a fake e-mail address (not hotmail, otherwise windows live kiks in) and tap Next
Skip auto configuration (otherwise windows live kiks in) and tap Next
Set the user name to your complete e-mail address, enter your password, check the "Save password" option and tap Next
Set the Account type to HTTP and tap Next
Depending on which service you are using enter "hotmail" or "msn" (without the quotes) for both the incoming and outgoing server names, leave the domain field blank and tap the "Options" button
Set the connection to "The Internet" and tap Next
Set the maximum amount to fetch for each message or accept the default settings and tap Next
Set the maximum age for the downloaded messages and tap Next
Good luck.
i would be interested in this too.
at home, i have a wifi router and i'd like the phone to use that connection when reachable/available. then, when i'm not at home and there's no other wifi available, without doing any manual setting, it should skip to 3G.
is the device working like that by default? any special settings needed?
eXelero said:
i would be interested in this too.
at home, i have a wifi router and i'd like the phone to use that connection when reachable/available. then, when i'm not at home and there's no other wifi available, without doing any manual setting, it should skip to 3G.
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I use my phone exactly like that.
eXelero said:
is the device working like that by default?
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For internet browsing and POP email yes, for hotmail no (se above post).
oruam57 said:
Outlook plus pop is ok, that is it use wifi if it is available and 3G otherwise. The problem is on hotmail accessed using windows live.
I found a solution in using HTTPMail provider 1.5 to access hotmail (it is not free but cheap enough). You can find it googling around.
I read reports around about problems during installation so I simply extracted the files (HTTPMail.dll, MIME.dll, HTTPTransport.dll and HTTPMailReg.exe) from the cab and copied them under \windows, registered manually HTTPMail.dll, MIME.dll and HTTPTransport.dll using regsvr_arm.exe (you can find it at http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=80255&d=1207768826) and registered the software using HTTPMailReg.exe
After installation an hotmail account can be created using this procedure.
Open Inbox
Tap Accounts and choose "New Account"
Enter your a fake e-mail address (not hotmail, otherwise windows live kiks in) and tap Next
Skip auto configuration (otherwise windows live kiks in) and tap Next
Set the user name to your complete e-mail address, enter your password, check the "Save password" option and tap Next
Set the Account type to HTTP and tap Next
Depending on which service you are using enter "hotmail" or "msn" (without the quotes) for both the incoming and outgoing server names, leave the domain field blank and tap the "Options" button
Set the connection to "The Internet" and tap Next
Set the maximum amount to fetch for each message or accept the default settings and tap Next
Set the maximum age for the downloaded messages and tap Next
Good luck.
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Can you run over this please as I'm not getting the screens in the order you've written them.
1. First screen I get email address so I put in a fake one.
2. Second screen I get "Your Name" field and then "Account Display Name"
3. Third screen I get "Incoming Mail Server" ... what do I put here? You said "hotmail" or "msn" ... but what exactly... pop3.hotmail.com or what?? and other field is account type. I see HTML there so I choose that.
4. Fourth screen is "Username" and "password" I put that as my hotmail username (not fake) and proper password...
5. "Outgoing Mail Server" ... again what to put for this?? Advanced settings on this page ... I've set it to "The Internet"
Left the rest of the other pages as default when I go to hit send and receive I get an error saying:
"The URL does not use a recognized protocol (80042001) Error Source: HTTP Status: Logging On"
hmm??
oruam57 said:
I use my phone exactly like that.
For internet browsing and POP email yes, for hotmail no (se above post).
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sounds great! thanx for the info!
DaBountyHunter said:
Can you run over this please as I'm not getting the screens in the order you've written them.
1. First screen I get email address so I put in a fake one.
2. Second screen I get "Your Name" field and then "Account Display Name"
3. Third screen I get "Incoming Mail Server" ... what do I put here? You said "hotmail" or "msn" ... but what exactly... pop3.hotmail.com or what?? and other field is account type. I see HTML there so I choose that.
4. Fourth screen is "Username" and "password" I put that as my hotmail username (not fake) and proper password...
5. "Outgoing Mail Server" ... again what to put for this?? Advanced settings on this page ... I've set it to "The Internet"
Left the rest of the other pages as default when I go to hit send and receive I get an error saying:
"The URL does not use a recognized protocol (80042001) Error Source: HTTP Status: Logging On"
hmm??
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1. Ok.
2. Insert whatever you like.
3. Insert literally "hotmail" or "msn" and select HTTP.
4. Username should be the complete address, for example [email protected], password ok.
5. Again, insert literally "hotmail" or "msn", advanced setting ok, do not check Outgoing... and Use the same... should be grayed (disabled)
Before that you must register the DLLs (using regsvr_arm.exe) and the software (using HTTPMailReg.exe) and soft reset.
Followed all of that exactly as you said registerd the dlls and the software soft resetted and got a different error 80042002 HTTP Forbidden
DaBountyHunter said:
Followed all of that exactly as you said registerd the dlls and the software soft resetted and got a different error 80042002 HTTP Forbidden
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I'm sorry but can't say what the problem is.
Just in case this is my account configuration (after the initial configuration I edited the address on the first page to the correct value, maybe you should try this too).
It sounds to me as though the people with the problem of cellular data connection kicking in when there is a valid wifi connection ought to examine the settings in whatever application is playing up.
e.g. someone mentioned that pocket outlook opens a 3G connection instead of using the wifi connection. In this case go into email settings (windows messaging application, menu/options then choose the email account that is causing the problem) click on "edit account setup" then press "next" 3 times and press on "advanced server settings". Check what is set under "Network connection:" In order to use the currently available connection this must be set to "The Internet" If you have set it to your cellular data connection for instance "orange internet" it will always use that connection and ignore the wifi.
gadgetgaz said:
It sounds to me as though the people with the problem of cellular data connection kicking in when there is a valid wifi connection ought to examine the settings in whatever application is playing up.
e.g. someone mentioned that pocket outlook opens a 3G connection instead of using the wifi connection. In this case go into email settings (windows messaging application, menu/options then choose the email account that is causing the problem) click on "edit account setup" then press "next" 3 times and press on "advanced server settings". Check what is set under "Network connection:" In order to use the currently available connection this must be set to "The Internet" If you have set it to your cellular data connection for instance "orange internet" it will always use that connection and ignore the wifi.
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I can only choose "Internet" under email settings and not my cellular data..?
The options I have are:
Orange WAP
Orange MMS
Orange Internet
Work
The Internet
I ended up just putting in my hotmail details manually using POP3 and set it to use the pop3.live.com:995 and smtp.live.com:587 rather than this whole HTTP issue with SSL and authentication for outgoing and inbound mail. "The Internet" for the network connection to use and made sure it leaves messages on server so now it'll sync without removing them off the inbox and uses the wifi first rather than the 3G.
gadgetgaz said:
It sounds to me as though the people with the problem of cellular data connection kicking in when there is a valid wifi connection ought to examine the settings in whatever application is playing up.
e.g. someone mentioned that pocket outlook opens a 3G connection instead of using the wifi connection. In this case go into email settings (windows messaging application, menu/options then choose the email account that is causing the problem) click on "edit account setup" then press "next" 3 times and press on "advanced server settings". Check what is set under "Network connection:" In order to use the currently available connection this must be set to "The Internet" If you have set it to your cellular data connection for instance "orange internet" it will always use that connection and ignore the wifi.
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I have Telenor/Vodaphone in Sweden and am having similar difficulties. It works well to use "The Internet" if I am on a wireless network. However, if I am without wireless I get connection error and have to switch network to "Telenor Internet" for it to work. Can anyone help out?
I'm currently trying to resolve this same issue on my girlfriend's MWg Zinc II running WM6.1.
The strange thing is, I have a Samsung Omnia, also running 6.1, with (as far as I can tell) the exact same setup for email and connections, but I don't have this issue.... ie when I'm connected to wifi and I sync my hotmail, it uses the wifi connection and does not try to connect using cellular data.
gadgetgaz said:
It sounds to me as though the people with the problem of cellular data connection kicking in when there is a valid wifi connection ought to examine the settings in whatever application is playing up.
e.g. someone mentioned that pocket outlook opens a 3G connection instead of using the wifi connection. In this case go into email settings (windows messaging application, menu/options then choose the email account that is causing the problem) click on "edit account setup" then press "next" 3 times and press on "advanced server settings". Check what is set under "Network connection:" In order to use the currently available connection this must be set to "The Internet" If you have set it to your cellular data connection for instance "orange internet" it will always use that connection and ignore the wifi.
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On both phones, when I "choose the email account", the next screen to appear is the Windows Live settings screen (where you cannot select the options you mention), not the standard email settings screens... so this method does not work for me.
Smackhacker said:
I have Telenor/Vodaphone in Sweden and am having similar difficulties. It works well to use "The Internet" if I am on a wireless network. However, if I am without wireless I get connection error and have to switch network to "Telenor Internet" for it to work. Can anyone help out?
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I've had the same problem on my new Touch Pro 2 on T-Mobile, but didn't have it with my Vodafone v1615 (HTC TyTN II).
If you still have this problem, may be worth taking a look at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4063850&postcount=4
This has fixed my problem.
I have had this problem with windows live for over 4 years, all other applications will use wifi over 3G if its available.
Windows live will only use 3G, which is an absolute nightmare when traveling as i dissable data and make use with WIFI in hotels and cafes.
- when connected via USB, I can sync emails and use internet.
- when connected via GPRS, I can sync emails and use internet.
- when connected via WIFI, I can NOT sync emails but i CAN use internet.
When browse to "settings/Connection/Connections/Advanced Tab/Select Networks Button"
Programs that automatically connect to the Internet should connect using:
My Work Network
Programs that automatically connect to private network should connect using:
My Work Network
When I am want to download emails I must change the second dropdown menu option to T-Mobile Interet. It starts my GPRS and then download emails to Pocket Outlook.
I have set the download emails shedule to download automaticaly after few minutes - it is useful for me when connectd via USB. But what settings I must do, to be able to Send/Receive emails via WIFI?
Thank you.
But how to set it up, so I can download
Josef Jansa said:
- when connected via USB, I can sync emails and use internet.
- when connected via GPRS, I can sync emails and use internet.
- when connected via WIFI, I can NOT sync emails but i CAN use internet.
When browse to "settings/Connection/Connections/Advanced Tab/Select Networks Button"
Programs that automatically connect to the Internet should connect using:
My Work Network
Programs that automatically connect to private network should connect using:
My Work Network
When I am want to download emails I must change the second dropdown menu option to T-Mobile Interet. It starts my GPRS and then download emails to Pocket Outlook.
I have set the download emails shedule to download automaticaly after few minutes - it is useful for me when connectd via USB. But what settings I must do, to be able to Send/Receive emails via WIFI?
Thank you.
But how to set it up, so I can download
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On AT&T I have both set to MediaNet but can still pull e-mails through WiFi.
Check your proxy settings and make sure there's no server listed.
I have no proxy set for T-mobile nor for My Work Network
Josef Jansa said:
I have no proxy set for T-mobile nor for My Work Network
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Try this, go to your inbox\Menu\Tools\Options
Select your account and go through the settings, on the last screen where you choose what to sync, select menu\advanced, and in the connection box, be sure it is set to internet. That is the only other thing I can think of that may affect your WiFi connection.
Bruce Inman said:
Try this, go to your inbox\Menu\Tools\Options
Select your account and go through the settings, on the last screen where you choose what to sync, select menu\advanced, and in the connection box, be sure it is set to internet. That is the only other thing I can think of that may affect your WiFi connection.
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Thank you so much!!!
before i had my 3g internet running fine but my nephew got a hold of my phone and all of my T-Mobile Internet number and proxy is cleared. Does anyone know the correct T-Mobile settings for ACCESS POINT NAME and/or proxy server settings?
Also, my NETWORK MANAGEMENT is set to T-Mobile Internet then MY WORK NETWORK. is this right?
EDIT: for T-Mobile Internet I have the dialing number as "epc.tmobile.com" and the proxy server is "127.0.0.1"
for My Work Network the number is "7202542831" and there's no proxy server.
epc.tmobile.com
Uncheck the proxy server option there (under "T-Mobile Internet"), tmo doesn't use one.
The "My Work Network" settings really don't come into play for your regular data connections, so don't worry about those.
I am having problems where I get randomly booted off the network when trying to send/receive non-Outlook emails (yahoo, hotmail, etc) it tells me "error synchronizing" then takes me to the Connections settings tab. How do I fix this so it doesn't keep doing it?
OK, so I click "send/receive" in my Inbox, and a window pops up that says "Cannot connect with current connection settings. To change your connections settings, tap Settings."
So I tap settings, which takes me to a screen showing my existing connection profiles. T-Mobile Internet with the number "epc.tmobile.com" is active and the only one listed. So I click "edit", asks for a name, I'll leave it at "T-mobile internet". Select a modem is grayed out with Cellular line (GPRS) selected. I click "next"...asks for access point name with the epc.tmobile.com already in the box so I leave that alone and click "next"...now it asks for user name, password, and domain...all are blank...
It really does seem arbitrary...can't think of any apps I'm using at the same time...most of the time, just resetting it back to the same settings takes care of it.
This is the only recurring error I have with my stock HD2 and I would really like to fix this once and for all...
HELP???
Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
Go look for the HTC connection wizzard cab for download. Install and run this and it will fix your settings for you.
if that didnt work and your still getin booted off even though there is no password, still check the save password box in the settings. Then go into your connection manager a turn on your data manually. using "wap.voicestream.com" seems to work better for my sweet ass. but it just depends on what part of hell your in.
OK this is my only gripe with my HD2...connection and network.
Now, since I got back from a trip where I was on roaming, my email will not work. Every time I click send/receive, it gives me a "synchronization error" and takes me to the Connections Settings menu. I have it on "auto pick", and wap.voicestream.com and epc.tmobile.com as the choices, but still will not work. I tried the connection wizard on here also and still have this issue.
Help?
EDIT: Nevermind, going to the email settings and swtiching from T Mobile Internet to T Mobile Data in advanced settings fixed it. Now all 5 of my accounts are synching just fine over 3G.