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According to Skype the Minimum spec for skype to work with a pocket PC is 400mhz.
So it makes my think. Will it realy work well if it does work? I mean skype on there website say :
in order to use Skype for Pocket PC, your handheld must meet the following minimum system requirements:
* Windows Mobile 2003 for Pocket PC
* 400 MHz processor
* WiFi-enabled
The XDA Mini pro is :
- Operating system Pocket PC " OK "
- Main processor type Texas Instrument OMAP 850 processor " Mmm"
- Main processor speed 195 MHz " I Dont think so , Well below half speed"
- RAM 64 MB
Ect..
You know what am thinking. It make me think are they meaning to do this so they can sell, make money and then later get one out at the orignal or faster processor.
Any advise or better confermation of skype actually working on the mini Pro would clear my mind and i would not think twice about getting it.
If it works with the processor being a fast bus speed or core speed or something to then runs Skypeat a usable level, Am definatly getting one !!
what you think or shall we just wait a few more days for someone to actully try skype on it. " I think al wait"
Yes it works, see: http://blogs.msdn.com/jasonlan/archive/2005/09/22/472831.aspx#473362
and
http://blogs.technet.com/windowsmobile4partners/archive/2005/09/24/411507.aspx
Thanks for the reply !!
According to the sites you have posed. i feel confident in buying one now, for skype !
even if not for skype. i would get one for sat nav and everything else.
Best all in one gadget i have came across!!!
Thanks again !
galt: thanks for all your help. As I said, I applied Pocket Hack Master 2005 to both my Jasjar (with the latest ROM) and to my wifes' MDA Pro, but with totally different results.
1) My Jasjar struggled to pass the test to overclock to 624Mhz, but did eventually. Once achieved, it would lock up within seconds and had to be soft-reset and clocked back to 520Mhz where its pretty content and somewhat an improvement on the Jasjar without HackMaster!
In contrast:
2) My wifes MDA Pro, passed the 624Mhz stress test 1st time and rockets along comfortably all day, with no probs.
I can't help but wonder if us Jasjar owners may have a software problem with our Roms, unless another Jasjar owner had the exact same positive response that the MDA had.
*Point of interest: Although the MDA overclocks and runs happily at 624Mhz (haven't tried beyond - have only used safe settings) both the Jasjar @ 520Mhz and the Pro @624Mhz are pretty indistinguishable in performance. I'm talking about refresh rates, access to or loading times of programs and video playback @ 640x480 resolution.
Feedback appreciated guys.
My Jasjar seems to run ok at 624. Tried the test 5 times and ran for several days without issues. Not much difference noticed, except pocket informant seems to run better and faster.
hi mackaby007,
can you please post the rom, radio and external rom version information from your wifes mda pro.
i think that this may be a rom issue - need to clarify
thanks
Hi quazzi76. here you are.
MDA PRO Jasjar
ROM version:-------1.12.42 WWE ROM version:------1.13.53 WWE
ROM date:-----------08/23/05 ROM date:----------09/23/05
Radio version:------1.00.02 Radio version:-----1.03.01
Protocol version:---42.33.P8 Protocol version:---42.36.P8
ExtROM version:-1.12.126 WWE ExtROM version:---1.13.137 WWE
sorry. that went a bit skewiff!
MDA PRO
ROM version: 1.12.42 WWE
ROM date: 08/23/05
Radio version: 1.00.02
Protocol version: 42.33.P8
ExtROM version: 1.12.126 WWE
Jasjar
ROM version: 1.13.53 WWE
ROM date: 09/23/05
Radio version: 1.03.01
Protocol version: 42.36.P8
ExtROM version: 1.13.137 WWE
sorry. that went a bit skewiff!
MDA PRO
ROM version: 1.12.42 WWE
ROM date: 08/23/05
Radio version: 1.00.02
Protocol version: 42.33.P8
ExtROM version: 1.12.126 WWE
Jasjar
ROM version: 1.13.53 WWE
ROM date: 09/23/05
Radio version: 1.03.01
Protocol version: 42.36.P8
ExtROM version: 1.13.137 WWE
Ok, I've done the overclocking to 624Mhz and it seems to be running well. (only been half an hour since I did it though!)
Everything is working well. Can't say I've noticed a massive difference in performance although my Citrix client seems to be running a little smoother. Even the camera seems to be working well (and that's usually the first thing that's gone wrong when I've tried overclocking on previous devices!)
God knows how the battery will be affected, but we'll see...
My details are as follows:
Jasjar
ROM version: 1.13.53 WWE
ROM date: 09/23/05
Radio version: 1.03.01
Protocol version: 42.36.P8
ExtROM version:
(I hit the soft reset button before the ExtROM loaded...)
Your keeping me up now sub69!
Tell me, if you would, as you seem to have the same ROM version as myself and also a jasjar, wouldn't you agree that it is probably some 3rd party software I've got installed on mine that is causing the problem? Or you have something on yours which is helping yours!
Mine is almost down to a skeleton Jasjar! I've only really got Spb 3.0.1 left installed accompanied by hackmaster & TCPMP (obviously) and Resco Radio. That's it! any ideas? My wifes Pro has the same software installed, as I mentioned earlier and she too flies along at 624Mhz.
I had SPB Pocket Plus installed for a while too. I did a hard reset a couple of days ago, and left that out when I re-installed everything (because I was only really using it for the 'proper 'X' button function) and my JasJar seems to be running a lot smoother now.
I'd hate to place the blame on one piece of software, especially as I love the idea of Pocket Plus, but I really think I'll be waiting a while until they release a WM5-specific version from now on. I know I'm not the only one who thinks it slows down my JasJar (can't remember if it was this particular forum where I heard that though)
(Oh, and I should be asleep by now too!)
mackaby007: Sorry about going a little offtopic, but since you have access to both devices, which one do you like the most? MDA PRO or JasJar? And what are the reasons? Just curious
thanks mackaby007,
i've got to concur with the general consensus.
i'm beginning to feel that there might be a third party app that causes the jasjar to crash when you try to overclock it to 624mhz.
i dont need any of the software in the external rom so i intend to hard reset my jasjar and do a soft reset before the external rom loads like Sub69.
then i'm going to install phm 2005 and see if it overclocks to 624mhz and remains at that speed without crashing/freezing up.
on my JASJAR:
I pass the tests several times at 624mhz, all succeded.
But asap I switch to 624 I get it crashed.
Best Regards
Rosario
P.S.
the only software loaded on background is MS voice command
Time for a Hard Reset!
Hi guys. Thanks for your feedback, it all helps!
Sl9: I for some raeson still prefer the Jasjar! I can't put my finger on it, but it's probably that you can install newer ROMs and stuff like that from i-mate, without voiding warranty. I have also come to like the colour. The silver MDA Pro is nice to look at and everything, but the jasjar is somewhat discreet when i pull it out in public and I don't like to advertise what I'm carrying around with me. Just my preference I suppose.
Sub69 & qazzi76:
Ok I'm going to try a hard reset witha soft reset right now and try re-installing only Hackmaster and TCMP thingy. I'll let you know.
And sub69, I must say I concur with your decision to hold back anything not written for WM5.0. It looks like that obvious thing we all knew about in the beginning has come back to the forefront of our discussions and problems. If it isn't WM5.0 specific, then it isn't truly compatible, even if it does appear to work! :wink:
Hard reset soft reset, I need my head reset!
Memory Configurations after hard + soft reset just as backgammon tried to install (Time now 23:40) :
Storage
Total: 43.72 MB
In Use: 4.22 MB
Free: 39.50 MB
Program
Total: 50.16 MB
In use: 20.79 MB
Free: 29.37 MB
Space available at point of installing pocket hack Master: 40448 KB (installed to device)!
Run HackMaster and go stright to speed config util and select 416, 520 & 624 MHz settings then test!
All Passed! Then click close and evrything locks up!
Soft reset!! Time Now 23:56
Go straight in to PHM2005 and under scal config, select all 3 passd speed settings and click close/exit.
Then I minimise the app 8 through the PMH icon in taskbar, select 520MHz setting and go check my memory amongst testing speed performance (feel of browsing the O/S). All's well!
Memory util reads:
Storage
Total: 43.72 MB
In Use: 4.71 MB
Free: 39.01 MB
Program
Total: 50.16 MB
In use: 20.13 MB
Free: 30.03 MB (What?)
Check Running Programs: pocket hack master 2005 (only!)
Anyway....go back to PHM and select 624Mhz setting, done!
Click on start menu then settings and voila the MotherF....er locks up again! Needs a reset again! I haven't even gotten around to installing Activesync and TCMP yet to try videos!
Any suggestions guys, other than giving up? Well at least i have more program and storage on the jasjar now, but my issue with o/c to 624Mhz remains unresolved. i'll post this now. Time: 00:10
I'll be up a little while yet, but will probably check back tomorrow. Cheers for the tips anyhow, guess I'm just 'bad lucked'.
Hi mackaby007,
I'm sorry to hear that - very dissapointed in fact - i wonder whats causing it to lock up like that...
I wonder if this issue can be tied to the Rom revisions the devices ship with
It's quite possible that this is a ROM issue...
Another strange factor is the your wife's mda pro has an older rom revision than both of our JasJars (Radio Stack, ROM, External Rom, Protocol version)
This is admittedly highly frustrating...
qazzi76 said:
I wonder if this issue can be tied to the Rom revisions the devices ship with
It's quite possible that this is a ROM issue...
Another strange factor is the your wife's mda pro has an older rom revision than both of our JasJars (Radio Stack, ROM, External Rom, Protocol version)
This is admittedly highly frustrating...
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Tell me about it! Well such is life. Funny thing though, is that sub69 also has a jasjar and same ROM (i think - Ext ROM details never confirmed due to soft reset at the time) and he seems to be flying along at 624 MHz! Confusing more like! Will let you all know if and when developments take place. Night all.
This could simply be due to different chip batches.
I beta tested PHM2004 before its release on my O2XdaII and managed to get as high as 1658MHz (stable too), the next speed up caused a hard reset.
I currently scale to a max. of 592MHz (which is L=40, M=2, N=1 for those in the know) and have no stability issues at all, whereas a number of colleagues who had identical devices & ROMs (at the time) were unable to use the L=40 setting, having to limit themselves to 528MHz (L=36) as the best performing CPU speed.
According to Anton, the L=40 setting was generally considered unstable for my device which is why I have to choose the Ultra Fast RAM settings rather than going for the PHM defaults. It appears that I'm just lucky and my device has better spec. RAM than most and which tolerates the higher speeds - the same could be true for your devices, one could simply have higher grade RAM (or whatever) than the other.
mtbsoft said:
This could simply be due to different chip batches.
I beta tested PHM2004 before its release on my O2XdaII and managed to get as high as 1658MHz (stable too), the next speed up caused a hard reset.
I currently scale to a max. of 592MHz (which is L=40, M=2, N=1 for those in the know) and have no stability issues at all, whereas a number of colleagues who had identical devices & ROMs (at the time) were unable to use the L=40 setting, having to limit themselves to 528MHz (L=36) as the best performing CPU speed.
According to Anton, the L=40 setting was generally considered unstable for my device which is why I have to choose the Ultra Fast RAM settings rather than going for the PHM defaults. It appears that I'm just lucky and my device has better spec. RAM than most and which tolerates the higher speeds - the same could be true for your devices, one could simply have higher grade RAM (or whatever) than the other.
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1658MHz (stable too)!!! Flippin 'eck!!
Interesting comments about the different chipsets, that seems like a plausible scenario, given my circumstances and the unexplained differences between supposedly sames specced hardware and same ROMs.
mackaby007 said:
1658MHz (stable too)!!! Flippin 'eck!!
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That would be the polite translation of what I said!
The more interesting part (though expected to some degree) was that this delivered far worse performance than many of the lower speeds, since it required the N multiplier to be at 0.5x which bottle-necked the whole device. Still, it's nice to have been there!
Hello,
I'm planning to buy a new pocket pc, my choice would be the qtek9100 or the qtek2020i. I've spend a lot of time reading and comparing, and need to know some information from the people who own a qtek9100.
1) Is the qtek9100 able to playback mp3 and run tomtom5 at the same time? I'm asking this because of the omap 850 (ti) cpu and the 64 mb internal memory, I know the omap has a different architecture then the xscale (intel) cpu and can not be compared butt when I use the device in my car I want it to be able to playback mp3 and show navigation at the same time.
3) Is it possible to use skype? Because the minimum requirments of skype is based on 400mhz intel cpu, I don't know how much the omap scores on the intel mhz scale.
2) Is it possible to playback video, without dropping frames?
I have serious doubts about the performace of the 9100 for the things I want to use the device. Any comments from owners would be welcome.
Does anyone know if its possible to put wm5 on qtek2020i? I tought I had read that wm5 is universal and works on any pda, just a matter of drivers.
Greetz
Robin
For Skype user, which version did you put on magician? Low CPU version, or the normal one?
Thx.
Regards,
Arto.
I used the normal one not the low cpu version - with the most recent build the performance is great over wifi on the magician . I can walk around with the headset and talk . I can't get bluetooth to work yet on pocket skype.
I have my PDA running at 585 with pocket hack............ but even at 416 I get no break up at my end of the telephone coversation or from the other party I am speaking too.
din get a word of what u had jus typed
guys i need to install skype on my phone but how do i do it??n please help me oput in english, i.e. language spoken by people who dont own an o2 mini
thanks
I noticed skype gets sluggish in my mini if I use it continuously. However, when I use the low CPU version, I get better performance. YMMV.
Does any try this?
The official Skype said it require min 312MHz CPU to run it.
Just wanna see is the performance on or not.
kowin said:
Does any try this?
The official Skype said it require min 312MHz CPU to run it.
Just wanna see is the performance on or not.
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I overclocked my Dopod 818 pro to 276 Mhz and Skype works like magic without hassles
Cheers!
don't overclock for too long. The most feasible setting that is observed is 240MHz. Your battery wont die on your all at once and skype (low CPU) will work perfect
Be careful not to fry its motherboard!
Prophet and Skype
The only way to use skype on the prophet is too overclock...I have had success at above 216mhz
Recently I attempted Skype (at 228mhz) on the local GPRS/EGDE network ...I was able to dial/connect and receive the voice from the person I called but they were unable to hear my voice.
Anyone get Skype fully functional on a high speed network?
Prophet and Skype
The only way to use skype on the prophet is too overclock...I have had success at above 216mhz
Recently I attempted Skype (at 228mhz) on the local GPRS/EGDE network ...I was able to dial/connect and receive the voice from the person I called but they were unable to hear my voice.
Anyone get Skype fully functional on a high speed network?
kowin said:
Does any try this?
The official Skype said it require min 312MHz CPU to run it.
Just wanna see is the performance on or not.
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is ok, I'm using now..I'm not turnup CPU is ok!!
kowin said:
Does any try this?
The official Skype said it require min 312MHz CPU to run it.
Just wanna see is the performance on or not.
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is ok, I'm using now..I'm not turnup CPU is ok!!
Skype rear speaker / headset
Has anyone figured out how to use skype 2.0 Low CPU with a BT headset, or at least via the regular telephone speaker?
Tom
use Skype Low CPU or HighCPU for Prophet?
hi guys,
WHich Skype version is recommended?
I tried the Low-CPU version since its meant for 312MHz PPC versions
But...I can barely hear the other party. The voice seems badly distorted.
I then switched to the High-CPU version and I can hear the other part lt least.
Anyone had similar experience as above?
Cheers
FY
gunggu said:
kowin said:
Does any try this?
The official Skype said it require min 312MHz CPU to run it.
Just wanna see is the performance on or not.
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I overclocked my Dopod 818 pro to 276 Mhz and Skype works like magic without hassles
Cheers!
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This is so amazing....I can only overclock mine to the max of 263MHz anything more it will go bonkers Immediately.
How u manage to push it to 276MHz....any pointers?
Cheers
FY
I was able to get the original Skype that came with my Jamin working. The program is installed on a Sandisk 2gb Ultra SD card and I overclocked the processor to 240mhz.
What is more interesting than Skype is a service called SIPDiscount http://www.sipdiscount.com/en/index.html . Go to that site and sign up for 10 euros, or you can use it free for 1 minute at a time to test it.
You can run the SIP service on a program called SJPhone for PPC http://www.sjlabs.com/sjp.html download the 2003SE version for pocket pc. They work great together and you can even call out to a US land line for free! No overclocking is neccessary because it is much lighter than Skype.
I've attached a text file that explains how to set up SJPhone to work with SIPDiscount. These directions work for the normal PC computer version of SJPhone also.
Have fun :lol:
P.S. You should always use a good headset with microphone for the best sound quality, without a headset there is usually an echo.
on my JAMin with SKYPE 2.00 Higher CPU one, the other person's sound comes out of the SPEAKER PHONE, is that normal or can I somehow switch to regular earpiece
I have a JAMin overclocked to 240, using Skype latest version low cpu, and over Wifi I have a decent, usable sound quality. I haven't tried it over Gprs/Edge.
Re: use Skype Low CPU or HighCPU for Prophet?
I was using Low-CPU (312MHz) version, I can hardly hear other party also. I will try to over-clock and see if it works or not. Or should we use High CPU version? Can anybody provide us the correct version and procedures in a more systematic way?
fychan said:
hi guys,
WHich Skype version is recommended?
I tried the Low-CPU version since its meant for 312MHz PPC versions
But...I can barely hear the other party. The voice seems badly distorted.
I then switched to the High-CPU version and I can hear the other part lt least.
Anyone had similar experience as above?
Cheers
FY
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I don't overclock my S200, but it's running Skype perfectly. I've downloaded the latest 2.0.0.51 Skype version, installed and started without any problem. I made a voice chat with my friend via Wi-Fi network, he heard me and I heard him clearly.
It's just for people who want to buy Prophet but afraid about Skype not working.
Well, in my Qtek S200 i make a shortcut to overclock the cpu to 240Mhz and run Skype. When i exit skype the cpu clock becames 180Mhz.
I tested in a wifi connection without any problems. With GPRS i haven´t testet yet, but i think GPRS doesn´t have enough upstream to make Skype work properly.
This is my 50 cents!
Regards
GPRS no, Wifi yes
For the people trying Skype over GPRS, read the FAQ before blaming the OMAP processor.
http://support.skype.com/index.php?...base&_j=subcat&_i=12'>Skype+for+Pocket+PC</a>
"Skype for Pocket PC is designed to be used with a WiFi connection. If you are using Skype for Pocket PC with GPRS, you can use instant messaging but the bandwidth does not support calling functionality."
I have no problems with Skype low_cpu over Wifi.
Matterhorn said:
What is more interesting than Skype is a service called SIPDiscount http://www.sipdiscount.com/en/index.html . Go to that site and sign up for 10 euros, or you can use it free for 1 minute at a time to test it.
You can run the SIP service on a program called SJPhone for PPC http://www.sjlabs.com/sjp.html download the 2003SE version for pocket pc. They work great together and you can even call out to a US land line for free! No overclocking is neccessary because it is much lighter than Skype.
I am trying this on a Charmer (MDA Compact II) on T Mobile UK I Have followed all the instructions and it says "No active network interface"
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Skype for ARM
Hi Guys
Well, first of all, I don't have the S200 yet, I'll get it today or on tuesday. I did some research before ordering it:
When it comes to Skype, there seems to be a lot confusion about how to run it smoothly. The problem seems to be, that Skype is compiled to run on an Intel Xscale processor. Well, as we all know, the S200 has an TI OMAP processor and that one has an ARM architecture. Search on Google a little bit, and you'll find out the differences. A TI OMAP 200MHz Processor is comparable to an Xscale 400-450MHz Processor only that the OMAP uses less power.
Naturally, ARM has a lower CPU frequency, but the benefit of it is, that it is multitasking. Xscale is a straight-forward processor, ARM does many things in parallel. This difference in architecture causes problems if one runs an Xscale Program on an ARM processor, because the program does not delegate the different tasks to the different units on the ARM, but only forwards them to the main ALU. That one, of course is overwhelmed, while the rest of the Processor doesn't know what to do.
Conclusion: Skype is for Xscale --> does not use the OMAP all the way and with all the available features (Sound ALU, WIFI ALU, ...)
What we need is a Skype that is made for the processor architecture of the S200
Search on Google and you'll find the following:
Skype for ARM
Of course it is an old version, I don't exactly know what has changed with skype, but as far as I know the protocol is still the same, so calling should not be a problem.
Anyways, I think I'll try the new Skype version first, and then the old one and will compare it.
You'll hear back from me, of cours I'll be happy if somebody else could try it as well and tell us what he or she experienced