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I installed the Toshiba bluetooth stack on my I-Mate Jam and it ROCKS - it includes ALL the functionality/profiles missing in the MS stack!
...BUT...
It is unstable as hell (I have experienced all sort of "cosmetic" issues) and I am fairly sure this is due to the fact that both MS and Toshiba stacks try to use the same bluetooth hardware SIMULTANEOUSLY.
...SO...
has anyone figured how deinstall/reinstall the microsoft bluetooth stack on a Magician (I-Mate Jam, Qtek S-100, MDA Compact, XDA Mini)?
cseilern said:
...BUT...
It is unstable as hell (I have experienced all sort of "cosmetic" issues) and I am fairly sure this is due to the fact that both MS and Toshiba stacks try to use the same bluetooth hardware SIMULTANEOUSLY.
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So, what "ROCKS" about it?
Always do full backup b4 installing sware.
it does what the MS BT stack does (serial port, headset, activesync), but also adds other profiles (pan, dun, obex, ftp, chat + others from memory)
i.e send files/chat with other mobile phone users, access bt pan, etc... though i am only interested in pan, chat and obex
when i fisrt played with it, i immediately saw why everyone whinges with the bt stack...
it's excellent and stable for me, didn't expierence any bugs...
dutty:
Did you get pan working ?
If so can you please let me know how?
Thanks,
Martin
I'm kinda interested ...
Can u please post a copy of that Toshiba Bluetooth stack u're using so we can all have a chance to have a look at it and maybe modify it to work on our phones
uh, just started the service, restarted the device and connected to it!
BUT, i also installed the toshiba BT stack on my workstation
I'm kinda interested ...
Can u please post a copy of that Toshiba Bluetooth stack u're using so we can all have a chance to have a look at it and maybe modify it to work on our phones
And just more thing ... How did u manage to get that bluetooth stack to run on xda devices since it keeps checking for external SD bluetooth cards and was not designed for internal bluetooth chips ?
Look in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=15382&highlight=
Thanks for the link ....... BUT !!
I was able to download the Toshiba BT Stack v5.01 but it won't seem to work on my xda !! Everytime I tap on Bluetooth Setting (from toshiba) It says the following ' An error occurred with the Bluetooth Card. Confirm that the card is working properly.
Both my MS Stack and Widcomm Stacks are disabled and don't conflict with this new Toshiba Stack.
I was wondering how the thread owner got this BT stack running on his xda ?
It works on my XDA Mini just fine. The only problem I'm having is that it won't stay resident when you power off the device.
cseilern said:
I installed the Toshiba bluetooth stack on my I-Mate Jam and it ROCKS - it includes ALL the functionality/profiles missing in the MS stack!
...BUT...
It is unstable as hell (I have experienced all sort of "cosmetic" issues) and I am fairly sure this is due to the fact that both MS and Toshiba stacks try to use the same bluetooth hardware SIMULTANEOUSLY.
...SO...
has anyone figured how deinstall/reinstall the microsoft bluetooth stack on a Magician (I-Mate Jam, Qtek S-100, MDA Compact, XDA Mini)?
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As for disabling the MS stack, look here.
Got another Question ??
Will this new stack work on a Qtek2020 ? I've tried installing it on my Qtek2020 but it won't recognise my bluetooth hardware !!
Any sugestions ??? :?:
cseilern said:
I installed the Toshiba bluetooth stack on my I-Mate Jam and it ROCKS - it includes ALL the functionality/profiles missing in the MS stack!
...BUT...
It is unstable as hell (I have experienced all sort of "cosmetic" issues) and I am fairly sure this is due to the fact that both MS and Toshiba stacks try to use the same bluetooth hardware SIMULTANEOUSLY.
...SO...
has anyone figured how deinstall/reinstall the microsoft bluetooth stack on a Magician (I-Mate Jam, Qtek S-100, MDA Compact, XDA Mini)?
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Oops, sorry, look here for info about turning off the MS BT stack.
RE
From the download link provided it showed support for WM2003. How about WM2003SE?
Anyone feedback in using on WM2003SE?
Thanks
:roll:
i think the imate jam runs se?
:roll:
RE
Sorry, another question.
In the event of a hard reset will my O2 XDA II restore the MS stack with whatever registry settings that were deleted in the process of installating the Toshiba bt stack? Will the Toshiba bt stack be totally removed in the evnet of a hard reset?
Thanks again
yes sir
Found 2 problems.
Cannot connect when call ring.. connect then call is fine.
Cannot Accept call with button on headset.
Any more Problems ???
Please post your problems ..
Hi
i´ve tested the toshiba bt software on my MDA-Compact but haven´t got very good results. First, after installation, it seems to work good with my Royaltek RBT 3000 (GPS), but after i´ve switched off the device while an active bt connection was established with my gps software, the bt-stack broks down and the whole systems seems to be unstable. Even after a softreset the bt-software from toshiba says that they didnt recognize any bt hardware.
Now i am trying to deinstall the bt-soft and can recommend everybody who wants to test to make an backup before ;-)
I think that the software from toshiba could work, when the ms-bt-stack would be completly changed with the toshiba-stack, but doesnt work without problems when both bt-stacks are on the system.
Regards
FluBeX
I am missing A2DP Support on my MDA Pro. It looks like this is a Microsoft issue. They still living behind the moon.
I think MS will bring an Update for this Issue. But does anyone know, how the progres is and how this Update will be delivered? Can we just download it from MS or do we have to wait for an updated ROM from out Network-Cariers?
I like to by a BT Stereo Headset :`)
On BlueAngel I get A2DP work with a BT Update
No idears?
for me the ideal will be to use the Nokia HS-12W con Universal. and i'm hoping that will be solved soon (HS-12W is not released either)
Wizard is suppose to have bluetooth v2 which should include the a2dp
ms dident invent bluetooth and they have never been big on taking the tech of others to the max
other pda's which have stereo sound over bluetooth dont use ms's bluetooth stack to get it
Ok, then we have to try getting a widcomm stack on the universal?
well recall somebody talking about getting the newly release vidcomm stack for 2005 on their himalaya with 2005 but it dident work
not sure if it's more likely to work on a universal which have the final 2005 and not a beta like himalaya
pretty sure it was in the 2005 forum i saw it
EyeOfTheStorm said:
I am missing A2DP Support on my MDA Pro. It looks like this is a Microsoft issue. They still living behind the moon.
I think MS will bring an Update for this Issue. But does anyone know, how the progres is and how this Update will be delivered? Can we just download it from MS or do we have to wait for an updated ROM from out Network-Cariers?
I like to by a BT Stereo Headset :`)
On BlueAngel I get A2DP work with a BT Update
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You should be able to upgrade your BT stack to get A2DP. Read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=29508&highlight=bt+stack
Let us know if it works and what headset you are using!
No, does not work. This BT Update distroyes Audio Driver ... and no efect on my BT. Have to do a hard Reset.
EM1L said:
EyeOfTheStorm said:
I am missing A2DP Support on my MDA Pro. It looks like this is a Microsoft issue. They still living behind the moon.
I think MS will bring an Update for this Issue. But does anyone know, how the progres is and how this Update will be delivered? Can we just download it from MS or do we have to wait for an updated ROM from out Network-Cariers?
I like to by a BT Stereo Headset :`)
On BlueAngel I get A2DP work with a BT Update
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You should be able to upgrade your BT stack to get A2DP. Read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=29508&highlight=bt+stack
Let us know if it works and what headset you are using!
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Strange I thought the MDA has the same BT stack from Broadcom as my XDAIIi, I did run the update described in the link above and got the A2DP - The only difference after the install is the extra profile for High Quality Audio on my XDAIIi.
My BT stack version is and still is 1.0.0 Build 3900 from Broadcom.
I did immediate soft reset after the install and then checked the profiles...
I hope you find solution soon! Check out the other BT software updates on the ftp site...
Good Luck!
Bluetooth stereo is not worth the fuss.
You cant beat a wired headpone.
EM1L said:
EM1L said:
EyeOfTheStorm said:
I am missing A2DP Support on my MDA Pro. It looks like this is a Microsoft issue. They still living behind the moon.
I think MS will bring an Update for this Issue. But does anyone know, how the progres is and how this Update will be delivered? Can we just download it from MS or do we have to wait for an updated ROM from out Network-Cariers?
I like to by a BT Stereo Headset :`)
On BlueAngel I get A2DP work with a BT Update
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You should be able to upgrade your BT stack to get A2DP. Read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=29508&highlight=bt+stack
Let us know if it works and what headset you are using!
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Strange I thought the MDA has the same BT stack from Broadcom as my XDAIIi, I did run the update described in the link above and got the A2DP - The only difference after the install is the extra profile for High Quality Audio on my XDAIIi.
My BT stack version is and still is 1.0.0 Build 3900 from Broadcom.
I did immediate soft reset after the install and then checked the profiles...
I hope you find solution soon! Check out the other BT software updates on the ftp site...
Good Luck!
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Thanks,
MDA Pro uses a Microsoft Bluetooth Stack. Thats the big Problem. Hope for an Update.
Does anyone know, if M$ is working on it?
Good News
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4556.html
Hi guys!
I have my Magician (QtekS100) for over a year now, and I've been always very happy with it. One of my best purchases ever.
It has never gave me any problem until recently when I decided to purchases a GPS Bluetooth (Nokia LD-3W) and my nightmare started.
After many days of trying things, turns out this GPS is a bit special and doesn't like all BT Drivers/Roms.
As the Normal MS drivers won't work and I have to use others.
In your opinio what is the best BT Stack software?
My magician currently is ROM 1.06.03 ESN, ExtROM 1.06.117ESN, Radio 1.05.00, Protocol 1137.39 with the Toshiba Drivers.
Should I upgrade it to a new ROM?
bchuertas said:
Hi guys!
I have my Magician (QtekS100) for over a year now, and I've been always very happy with it. One of my best purchases ever.
It has never gave me any problem until recently when I decided to purchases a GPS Bluetooth (Nokia LD-3W) and my nightmare started.
After many days of trying things, turns out this GPS is a bit special and doesn't like all BT Drivers/Roms.
As the Normal MS drivers won't work and I have to use others.
In your opinio what is the best BT Stack software?
My magician currently is ROM 1.06.03 ESN, ExtROM 1.06.117ESN, Radio 1.05.00, Protocol 1137.39 with the Toshiba Drivers.
Should I upgrade it to a new ROM?
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new blue tooth stack isnt out yet.
the old bsch stack works fine.. has a few bugs..
the toshiba stack and the Bluesoleil stack is very buggy
cya
Bluesoleil wasn't buggy for me when used for wireless internet. What I didn't like was its incompatibility with my headset. And I'm not willing to switch every time so I returned to MS. I'd love to use the new BCHS stack, but noone's got it right now.
Btw: why did you just copy & paste? Please correct it, there are only BT stacks!
Btw2: please tell me the difference between "O2 MINI NEW BLUETOOTH STOCK" and "BT STACK(BCHS)" :lol: :lol: :lol:
Chatty said:
Btw: why did you just copy & paste? Please correct it, there are only BT stacks!
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Yes, I did copy from the Subject on other posts.
As far as I know the correct word is Stack and Stock is just misspelled
Stack applies to any Implementation of networking protocols, not just bluetooth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_stack
You just got to love the Wikipedia!!! :wink:
BT Tools is the solution (for me at least)
try "bluetooth tools" this was the solution for me when I had Magician. worked for me with several BT GPS units + TomTom 5.21 and Falk/MarcoPolo Navigator 2004-2005
http://bluetooth.i-networx.de/index_e.html
I did not have any problems with my GPS receiver with either of the stacks. And I do know what a stack is. That's why I asked you to correct the spelling mistake.
I use Bluesoleil and am half-way happy.
Unfortunatly I cannot use MS stack because after some time it gives me the error about "please turn flight mode first", even if it is off.
Anyone know how to fix this?
Re: BT Tools is the solution (for me at least)
aleksandr said:
try "bluetooth tools" this was the solution for me when I had Magician. worked for me with several BT GPS units + TomTom 5.21 and Falk/MarcoPolo Navigator 2004-2005
http://bluetooth.i-networx.de/index_e.html
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does this support a2dp
re
best is windcomm (broadcomm)!!!!!!
who have working version for magician?
johancz
I'm at my wits end with my T-Mobile MDA (aka HTC Wizard) and my new 2007 Acura RDX. The car can connect to the Internet via a Bluetooth phone to send/receive diagnostic messages to Acura, but I'm pretty sure the MS Bluetooth stack is disconnecting during the setup. I'm able to pair the HTC Wizard just fine with the car, and the handsfree functionality for sending/receiving voice calls works perfectly using the JETWare mobile Bluetooth extension on the phone. I've tried doing some basic registry tweaks in the HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth keys, but nothing helped. I can use my Sony Ericsson T68i phone just fine with this troublesome feature, but I really don't want to start using my old phone again. Any thoughts on what might be fubared with the DUN connectivity? I'm using the same dial strings too that work just fine on my laptop with the MDA (*99#) on T-Mobile's network. Thanks in advance for suggestions...
While I don't have specific info on your car, you may want to give a try to the
1, Widcomm BT stack (instead of the MS one)
2, AKU3 and BT PAN if your car also supports PAN and not just DUN.
Please check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282780 on the latter q.
Thanks for the reply. I've had older Pocket PC/Windows CE devices that used Widcomm, but I was under the impression that the MS Bluetooth stack was baked into the device ROM. Do I have to reflash the HTC Wizard ROM to get the Widcomm BT stack?
RE: option #2, I'm nearly certain that the car does not support PAN, but I'll dig around and see what I can find.
Thanks again.
Hmm... I just found this wiki page:
http://maemo.org/maemowiki/BluetoothDUN
which mentions Bluetooth DUN problems on the Samsung SGH-X820, which I believe is using WM5 or similar variant. At any rate, it mentions a "receive all" flag, and I'd love to know if there's a registry setting in WM5 that's related to this suggestion.
flashfreaker said:
Thanks for the reply. I've had older Pocket PC/Windows CE devices that used Widcomm, but I was under the impression that the MS Bluetooth stack was baked into the device ROM. Do I have to reflash the HTC Wizard ROM to get the Widcomm BT stack?
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nope, just install the Widcomm BT stack, not even a hard reset is needed - see the sticky thread.
Thanks again for the prompt reply. I followed the How To here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=285696
and I also used SolSie's installation guide here to fill in some gaps:
http://solsie.com/?p=82
I used the CAB file here:
http://btfix.thcgirls.com/BroadcomBluetoothStackX51V05.zip
Bluetooth functionality seems to working ok, but I don't see Dialup Networking as a service now on my HTC Wizard. Do I need to upgrade the AKU ROM? I'm using the summer 06 ROM update from T-Mobile USA right now. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
flashfreaker said:
Bluetooth functionality seems to working ok, but I don't see Dialup Networking as a service now on my HTC Wizard. Do I need to upgrade the AKU ROM? I'm using the summer 06 ROM update from T-Mobile USA right now. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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You're right - just tested this on my Wizard. No DUN service is visible- actually, HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Widcomm\BtConfig\Services doesn't contain any DUN service listed.
I'll tomorrow check this on my other 1.7 WM5 Widcomm-based Pocket PC's (hx4700, x51v) to see whether you can import this functionality in any way. My WM2003 iPAQ 2210 and WM2003SE PL720 lists this service; from the former (I only have this here at home in addition to my Wizard; the rest are all at work) a direct HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Widcomm\BtConfig\Services\ and [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Services\00001103-0000-1000-8000-00805F9B34FB] didn't work though.
From what I've read on other sporadic posts, it seems that the Windows Mobile registry has a setting for enabling a "receive all" parameter for Bluetooth that fixes DUN problems. I'm sure there's a bit of a security risk in that, but I'm willing to try anything at this point.
You mean the standard BT / IrDA receive all? It's not dangerous at all - and, for that matter, it doesn't even add much to the overall power consumption, contrary the popular belief (see my related power consumption measurements)
Thanks for the reply. I read your post(s) on power consumption--excellent stuff. I can see options for IR ("Receive all incoming connections"), but not for Bluetooth, other than the discoverable option. Is there some registry parameter? That's what I'm looking--if DUN is failing during a PPP connection because a some weird rejection command, I'd like to see if there's anything I can try out to work around that.
The "Recieve incoming beams / Recieve Incoming Connections" in the IR menu in also responsible for BT file recieves. In addition to enabling the BT discoverable option, you need this to be turned on to accept file tranfers. I'm not sure about how this is going to effect DUN, but give it a shot.
This is prolly what you might have read in one of those posts that you mentioned.
BTW, the DUN service will not be offered even with the Beam Receive option enabled.
This may mean, currently, unless someone invents a way to access DUN under Widcomm, it's impossible to use Widcomm-based WM5 PPC PE devices as external dial-up modems.
Hm...
I know this is kinda off topic of DUN, but using the Axim Widcomm stack on my 8125, I loose all sound from the speaker.... anyone else encounter this?
Yes I have this problem too, can be solved just by calling someone... but then there are other problems...
1)Memory leak after turning off Bluetooth.
2)Only solution is to leave it on, but there are other issues here, for me, so far, it is my Wizard hangs(require soft reset button) or the sound of the speakers dissappears and gets redirected to the phone speaker only... after about a days use..
Hm.... well.... suck. I wish someone released a custom ROM without the MS stack
pball3485 said:
Hm.... well.... suck. I wish someone released a custom ROM without the MS stack
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but from the axim site, you can actually remove the MS stack..
Hey all,
I'm trying to pair a PPC with SonyEricsson's bluetooth watch MBW-150 to use moneytoo's brilliant SmartWatchM. This worked fine with my old PPC running the Microsoft bluetooth stack. My new PPC (LG KS20) uses the Widcomm/Broadcom stack, believed to be cleverer than the MS stack.
Here's the problem:
The PPC will not pair. The watch does not send out information according to the BT Service Discovery Protocol (SDP), because it was never meant to be paired with anything else than SE phones. The Microsoft stack didn't care and paired nonetheless. The Widcomm/Broadcom stack, however, will pair with BT devices only if it finds a supported profile. The watch uses the Serial Port Profile (SPP), but it doesn't say so, not sending any SDP information to the PPC. The PPC would support SPP of course, but doesn't pair as it has no way of knowing that the watch supports this profile.
In the end, when I try to pair, the PPC will see the watch but doesn't know what to do with it, and will not pair.
Is there any way of pairing (using a Widcomm/Broadcom stack) without SDP information? Can I enforce pairing with the watch? (I can easily insert serial port settings in the reg manually.)
Or can I somehow change my BT stack? I've read that the only way to do that would mean changing the ROM ... :-(
Any ideas? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Many thanks,
N.
I'm using 32feet.NET library that supports only MS BT Stack. Fortunately I have just found this lib http://franson.com/bluetools/ that seems to support Widcomm Stack. I will try it soon.
EDIT:
What BT stack is on it? Is it Broadcom? Widcomm on Motorola Q9 is ok and lets you to pair device without any service but Broadcom on a one HP iPAQ I have tested doesnt.
EDIT2:
Not a good news. Franson Bluetools doesnt work on smartphones. I dont know much about this stuff but from what I have read it seems like pairing/bonding request is possible only in MS BT stack (via some non official function) and it's disabled in other BT stacks because of security issues.
Thanks for chiming in, moneytoo!
moneytoo said:
What BT stack is on it? Is it Broadcom? Widcomm on Motorola Q9 is ok and lets you to pair device without any service but Broadcom on a one HP iPAQ I have tested doesnt.
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This may be a noob question but: How do I tell whether it's Broadcom or Widcomm? Is there still a difference since Broadcom bought Widcomm?
Anyway, BT manager will not pair ("no supported protocol found").
moneytoo said:
it seems like pairing/bonding request is possible only in MS BT stack (via some non official function) and it's disabled in other BT stacks because of security issues.
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I'm afraid that's true. I haven't found anything so far that would point me to a workaround, backdoor or anything - and as my KS20 is a company phone I can hardly change the ROM
Let's hope someone comes up with an idea!