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Press release
In an unprecendented and bold move, O2 has licensed the process of providing upgrades for their XDA PDA-phones to 'XDA-developers', an independent group of developers working on the XDA. Starting today the XDA developer support link on Source O2 will point to the XDA-developer fora.
"When we started looking for a partner to outsource this to, we quickly discovered most of the real tech-support was already being handled by XDA-developers, so they were the logical choice, really. And our own support for developers just could not match theirs. The XDA-developers have also been instrumental in achieving cultural change here at O2. For instance: they've helped us realise we would be better off in the long run if we upgrade all remaining 32 MB units to 64MB and if we stopped selling SIMlocked units.", says H. Uphisas, product manager for XDA at O2 Europe.
"It's challenging to now have access to all the knowledge, and to open it up to the world. Having full hardware documentation, and being able to create our own ROM upgrades has long been a goal here at XDA-developers. This partnership will allow O2 and the XDA customers to fully benefit from our knowledge of the device and of what its users and software developers want. O2 has done a great job of supplying upgrades and support in the past, but we feel confident that we can make further improvements.", says Peter Poelman, spokesperson for the XDA-developers.
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But really: why couldn't some provider just "open it all up"? They'd sell more units and more call-minutes, and they'd have less work. Right?
April fools, right?
you can't be serious said:
April fools, right?
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Ofcourse. I would have taken more trouble to launch it as a 'real' press release if I had thought about it two days ago...
I learn an new english expression today ...
april fools, poisson d'avril in french
Best regards and thank for your great site
ps: i can help you to weld memory upgrade to 64 Mo in france near marseille ...
been using xda since last year of nov. of last year... and ever since i never changed my unit... its cool and its sleek......I love this phone!.....
More power to all of the developers! :lol:
I agree what is happening in XDA-developers pages and forums is more important and even more proffesional than any company. My respect to every member of this family as you have givin us the chance to improve and fix the mistakes by the people who call themself PROs ...
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Forgive me for being naive, but I wonder if the o2 Developers WOULD actually look favourably on some tie up with the guys and gals here? (if it hasn't been tried before).
I'm sure o2 suits would have a fit, but there could be room for 'informal' dialogue.
Please let me know if I'm away in La-La land...
jann said:
Forgive me for being naive, but I wonder if the o2 Developers WOULD actually look favourably on some tie up with the guys and gals here? (if it hasn't been tried before).
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I thought you people would never ask...
I don't know what your role in O2 is, but I'll assume you're serious about this. By all means, let's have some serious discussion between O2 and some senior XDA-developers. At the very least, I can see many ways of working together which would help optimise the flow of information between O2 and the users.
About the suits: I really think we can come up with ways in which any proposed cooperation would actually end up making more money for O2 and provide better support for the users.
Please provide me (either personally through E-mail, or publically here) with what you feel would need to happen next. Maybe we should create a new forum, in which we provide access to womever for O2 would need to be at the 'table', plus some reasonable XDA-developer delegation.
I was personally thinking of about 5-10 people that all regularly post here and that seem to have an opinion or interest in making stuff better. Shall I propose a list for this delegation in the next few days ?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH! - (sound of man rushing to stem confusion....)
>>I don't know what your role in O2<< - No, no - I'm nothing to do with o2 apart from donating them hard earned cash every so often.
I'm the kind of guy who specialises in 'sensible compromise' through my job, so was applying that logic to here as well.
But seriously folks... as you lot here obviously have a lot to offer the disgreacefully under resourced o2 dev dept, have you actually tried picking up the phone / sending a discreet email offering some tie-up? Not too sure what the financials would be, but a free XDA every other month must be a possible.
Lol, they should do this now .
Good old times...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...Track=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:middle:us
I came across this looking for an 8525, it seems that he may be using the FREE programs available on here. I would say whoever created them go after this guy because it's obviously not fair he is using what you created to profit without you getting anything for it. I'm not 100% sure if he is use the programs from here, but I mean how many Sim/CID unlock program are really out there for the 8525?
I just reported the item to ebay, this is JJ's stuff and other members hard work.
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I just reported the item to ebay, this is JJ's stuff and other members hard work.
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maybe a copy of SPL-****er will be worming its way to him... nothing to do with me of course ^_^
You're welcome guys .
Yeah thats a bunch of bull****. i was looking on ebay the other day for a broken wizard and i saw someone selling a program that would load farias wm6 rom onto their phone. I reported that **** right away. There are so many people on here that are so talented and make so much awesome programs and not charge us a dime for it, but then you got dicks like that guy who decides to profit off of other peoples hard work. Death to that ****er.
Really classy how he was going to put commercial video game ROMs onto the phone/memory card too.
Not only was this guy trying to rip off the individuals here at XDA-dev, but also large corporations as well...
S-M-R-T
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Really classy how he was going to put commercial video game ROMs onto the phone/memory card too.
Not only was this guy trying to rip off the individuals here at XDA-dev, but also large corporations as well...
S-M-R-T
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I asked him about the programs and whether he developed them or not, here is the response I got:
"no not personally, but do talk to some of the developers and i donate some of my profit to them. any other questions feel free to ask
thanx
nate"
"i do cook my own roms if thats what you are asking, and just recieved an email asking me to remove this service and aparently reported to ebay, so i will not be able to offer this service at this time
sry
nate"
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Good Catch myztikal47.
I guess we can all help the developers here by keeping an eye out for this kind of crap.
I think it wouldn't be a bad Idea to have a sticky on this topic, something with an eye catching title, so more are aware of this issue, so as to be looking out for stinking thieves at places like ebay or craigslist.
I think it was only a question of time. There is no way how to block this. He can use new account, new name or whatever. we have similar problem on our forum, it is strictly technical forum about repairing TV, radio, video, SAT, PC... and we also have big storage with service manuals, service tips and few guys from us steal this infos from us and trying to profit on these! those information have price of gold, but is no help to stop this. So we decide for higher security, for restriction who can download files, and vice-versa etc. but here is not so easy I think, this will kill this forum.
wow he even had a picture of JJ rom on the page thats the lowest of low stealing and turning anround and making a profit off of it... His address is at the bottom of the page if anyone wants to send him a thank you card!
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I think it was only a question of time. There is no way how to block this. He can use new account, new name or whatever. we have similar problem on our forum, it is strictly technical forum about repairing TV, radio, video, SAT, PC... and we also have big storage with service manuals, service tips and few guys from us steal this infos from us and trying to profit on these! those information have price of gold, but is no help to stop this. So we decide for higher security, for restriction who can download files, and vice-versa etc. but here is not so easy I think, this will kill this forum.
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I don't think I take such a gloomy view. I agree it is impossible to stop someone selling a service and it is not in the spirit of this forum to sell either advice or cooked ROMs etc. But to play "devil's advocate" for a minute, what is it we object to? Is it that these folk are making money? Is it the lack of acknowledgement to the people who have put in all the development work? Is it the danger that selling this type of thing brings unwanted attention from M$ and telecom service providers?
I personally don't object to someone selling their time to help someone who lacks knowledge though they should tell the customer that they could learn for free from this site. If someone offered me cash to help them flash a ROM I don't think I'd feel guilty if I accepted money to do it. (Though I never have!).
I feel the main reason to block this kind of activity is that we already have unwanted attention from the likes of M$ without being associated with the sale of a service that relys on what M$ consider to be illegally altered M$ material. The very act of selling the service will bring a much harder approach from M$ IMO. No longer would we we seen as a bunch of keen dedicated geeky amateurs, but people out to profit illegally from M$ original work.
I notice on a brighter note that the two cases of this I am aware of are no longer available through ebay. In one case the individual has withdrawn the service and the other was removed by ebay.
EDIT: One of them is BACK
As a warning to others who might follow - selling a service or ROMs in this very public way is almost certainly illegal, particularly if bundled with a whole lot of other commercial games etc. If you want to take on the M$ legal team then this is a good way to go about it - remember it's not just the developers here that are not giving permission it is M$ original work that is being made available in a "corrupted" form.
Mike
This guy is back! But in a different flavor. I just found this today on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/CINGULAR-8525-HT...ryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
He is WAAAAYYY overcharging on this phone. His justification? 1) the free upgrades found on this site, and 2) a CD of cracked illegal software.
And I fell sorry for this buyers who fell for his iPhone upgrade scam:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/HTC-CINGULAR-812...ryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.ca/HTC-CINGULAR-812...ryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I can't believe people fell for that!
this isnt that much different from offering a service to fix phones that users have broken. IE i upgraded to windows mobile 6 and now it doesnt turn on.
yes hes selling other peoples work but really the people that pay him arnt paying him for the software they are paying him for the knowledge he has gained from reading
i would offer a repair service for noobs but theres allready people doing it.
its actually no different to taking a black rom and not donating then complaining about it
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And I fell sorry for this buyers who fell for his iPhone upgrade scam:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/HTC-CINGULAR-812...ryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.ca/HTC-CINGULAR-812...ryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I can't believe people fell for that!
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What is to say those buyers are not M$ trying to get the individuals information and then suing him later? Just a thought...
IMO it's fine for him to sell phone with the software pre-loaded on them already, thats like anyone on here selling their phone with all the hacks already done....but to actually have a service to install the software on the phone and profit from that, and not pay the people who created the software...well thats illegal, someone should just report him to Microsoft, they'll have a field day with him lol.
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IMO it's fine for him to sell phone with the software pre-loaded on them already, thats like anyone on here selling their phone with all the hacks already done....but to actually have a service to install the software on the phone and profit from that, and not pay the people who created the software...well thats illegal, someone should just report him to Microsoft, they'll have a field day with him lol.
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I agree with you on that but look at how much higher he is selling the phone because of the free softwares. It's the same as offering the service, basically.
he must need some money to be doing this...this guy must be a crack addict...or meth...yeah probably meth addict, anyways
I'm saddened to see stuff like this go on...coupled with these annoying noobs flooding the forums, m$ being ever so watchful, and the eventuality of newer devices...the great people of XDA might just get turned off from all of this...i know some are already extremely annoyed
...only time will tell
I have a close personal friend that works for Microsoft in their Windows Mobile team and I am going to forward this thread as well as the links to the ebay auctions over to him.
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I don't think I take such a gloomy view. I agree it is impossible to stop someone selling a service and it is not in the spirit of this forum to sell either advice or cooked ROMs etc. But to play "devil's advocate" for a minute, what is it we object to? Is it that these folk are making money? Is it the lack of acknowledgement to the people who have put in all the development work? Is it the danger that selling this type of thing brings unwanted attention from M$ and telecom service providers?
I personally don't object to someone selling their time to help someone who lacks knowledge though they should tell the customer that they could learn for free from this site. If someone offered me cash to help them flash a ROM I don't think I'd feel guilty if I accepted money to do it. (Though I never have!).
I feel the main reason to block this kind of activity is that we already have unwanted attention from the likes of M$ without being associated with the sale of a service that relys on what M$ consider to be illegally altered M$ material. The very act of selling the service will bring a much harder approach from M$ IMO. No longer would we we seen as a bunch of keen dedicated geeky amateurs, but people out to profit illegally from M$ original work.
I notice on a brighter note that the two cases of this I am aware of are no longer available through ebay. In one case the individual has withdrawn the service and the other was removed by ebay.
EDIT: One of them is BACK
As a warning to others who might follow - selling a service or ROMs in this very public way is almost certainly illegal, particularly if bundled with a whole lot of other commercial games etc. If you want to take on the M$ legal team then this is a good way to go about it - remember it's not just the developers here that are not giving permission it is M$ original work that is being made available in a "corrupted" form.
Mike
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I will point out a couple of things wrong with this Mike... 1. He is using JJ's roms and i highly doubt JJ is getting any kind of kickback. 2. His ebay username nateshuntsvegas is the same as on here. That alone could very well attract some negative attention as if M$ havent given us a hard time the way it is.
the rest of it i agree with
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I will point out a couple of things wrong with this Mike... 1. He is using JJ's roms and i highly doubt JJ is getting any kind of kickback. 2. His ebay username nateshuntsvegas is the same as on here. That alone could very well attract some negative attention as if M$ havent given us a hard time the way it is.
the rest of it i agree with
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I don't disagree with your comment, but as JJ's work is freely available for folk to download it's impossible to stop anyone selling services to install it. But yes the negative attention of M$ (linked as it is to here) is certainly not what we want. If we are seen by M$ to be set against any moves to sell this kind of material or a service to install it I'm sure this will improve their view of us.
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Hi all.
Today we have purchased our first device for our developer Olipro...Midget is soon to follow.
The unit cost £425.00 no managers about to give me a discount. But the Ameo is mint )
After sending it insured to Olipro tomorrow morning, it should be with him by this Saturday morning. The balance of the funds then will be shown here, but sent straight to Midgets Paypal account to kickstart the donations for Midget's device...
Please guys & gals we really need your support again. If you can donate anything, it all helps. Don't mean to *****, but if fellow member 'antivirus' hadn't strung us along from the start, I think we may have already had our results.
Instead he has caused us to keep shifting the goal post and pushing progress back..anyway we've moved on now.
The balance of what's left should be about £120.00 or more..but I'll donate again to help get things moving again.
Donate to the special link in Midgets signature. Cheers.
If you can...please donate for Midgets device as with your help we have already got Olipros device.
Thanks again all for your help and support in getting this realised.
Mark
Yes, I can say this whole Antivirus/Reiner debacle has been a major bloody pain in the arse, I would go as far to say there was never any Athenas, the whole thing has been a sham to string us along with alterior motives unknown; possibly to get in touch with members of the community, who knows, either way, the whole thing stunk of bull****, right up to the fact that he claimed to have posted the device off and said he's "scan in" the tracking code... honestly, it's no problem to type the code out.
anyway, there's my two cents, clearly this guy doesn't know the meaning of courtesy or business, so, there we go.
antivirus (german user) was involved here?
if only i would have known....
he told so much ****, postet that much weird stuff on the biggest german ppc forum that every german user could haven warned you. of course that doesn't automatically mean that he's a liar or whatever, but i know this guy just posts fake stuff and is a total pain in the ass. sry to say that, i didn't know he was involved in this project.
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antivirus (german user) was involved here?
if only i would have known....
he told so much ****, postet that much weird stuff on the biggest german ppc forum that every german user could haven warned you. of course that doesn't automatically mean that he's a liar or whatever, but i know this guy just posts fake stuff and is a total pain in the ass. sry to say that, i didn't know he was involved in this project.
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Haha lol. Thanks for confirming what we have now come to learn. I think we could have already achieved the projects objectives if it were not for him.
Well all's well that ends well. Cheers zwuncki.
As you all know, all S2 applications are freeware. That is, they cannot be sold for any purpose and it's stated clearly in the attached license file.
However, it's found some guys do repeatly sell them through eBay or their own websites. For eBay, I have to submit an individual email to eBay when a suspicious listing is found. That's really time-wasting.
Recently, I came across this website: www.iphonethemeforppc.com. I asked the website owner to remove S2U2, but he simply declined.
I'm totally sick of them.
So, I'll suspend the development of any S2 applications until there is any good sign of changes.
Anyway, thanks all for your support. Take care.
Update: 11-Sep
Got the reply from iphonethemeforppc
We do not sell S2U2! We offer it as an optional free download from our
site just as most of the other sites on the web.
When you purchase the iphone theme you will download a zip file that is
an html file and a Cab file with all the wisbar theme addons and a txt
file. This is NOT the S2U2 files and we do not sell your software. I
already said this once so get it straight!
We don’t believe in selling copyright software and we don’t endorse it!
Now if you want to know who I believe is doing it wrong look at this
site: http://www.web-resort.com/. They actually have it included in
their download package!
With that being said, We don’t have a problem re-wording our site if
that makes you feel better, but we are NOT selling your software.
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But up till now, S2U2 is still posted on this website with screenshots & wordings like "Features"...
Here is the reply from another beggar at web-resort.com:
we are not selling S2U2 as it is a free application as stated on our
website.
Please read the part of our Warranty Disclaimer relative to freeware:
"...THIS PACKAGE IS DEVELOPED MIXING TOGETHER FREE SOFTWARE. BUYING THIS
PACKAGE YOU BUY THE "KNOWLEDGE", "TIME" SPENT SEARCHING FREE SOFTWARE,
PUTTING IT TOGHETER, "TESTING" AND FINALLY "FINDING A RELIABLE SOLUTION".
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It's even worser that it's selling the whole series of S2...
So, I have to keep on suspending the development. Take care.
Update: 17-Sep
I must say thanks all for your support & feedback. I'll think seriously about every suggestion you've posted here but I have not made up my mind yet. So please forgive me for the lack of update of any S2 apps in the near future.
Take care... I'll be back...
Update: 3-Oct
I've just set up a website... http://www.ac-s2.com
I'm still waiting for some legal advice... so please stay tuned...
Update: 21-Oct
I'm back... http://www.ac-s2.com
Smh. This is terrible.
Oh no..
Some people really have no shame nowadays..
its really unfair that pple try to sell someone elses hard work....
but isnt there a copyright issue??? iphonethemeforppc cant just say no cuz its against the law
Too bad XDA doesn't have a pro-bono lawyer for **** like this.
Very bad News. :-(
I love your Applications
But on other side i understand your handling. It's hard work from you and other make the money.
For anyone who is doing this.. you should be ashamed. I hope if anyone finds these people in these forums to ban them and their IP.
Sad
Well, this is really sad, you had really something !
But I understand...
there must be a way to pursue them.. after all it's your product
i really hate those basta*d who make money on this great app. what a shame.
a_c, how about starting to commercialize s2 series? i'll buy lisence from you.
Banning is not enough. Anybody remember how Jay and Silent Bob handled the negative movie reviews?
**Music***How many people wanna kick some @$$***Music**
I make light of the subject, but really. If you're douchebag enough to steal someone else's work and sell it as your own, you deserve nothing betther than to have the 5#17 kicked out of you. No stupid sentencing, no community service or refund money, just hefty fines and ass-whoopin's. Simple as that.
This is ****. Many people do not remember what they havoc with what they do. But thank you for everything and I hope you change your mind yet.
hope this idot seen what he's done what is wrong with these people...sorry to see that you have stop A_c ....you made such great apps. for us ,now some jackass killed it .Hope he gets sued by some customer that comes accross a bug that i know he can't fix
BTW i noticed that the price is in $US again with the americans looking to make an easy buck... samething happened in the hearld fourm a while back with the touch IT roms and the guy apologized for doing it.... WTF how sorry can you be when your counting the money you made off someone elses work to hell with these guys ****ing basterds
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Too bad XDA doesn't have a pro-bono lawyer for **** like this.
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-1 VERY BAD
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
please dont stop A C..... i use all your apps religiously!!!!
its a shame that people will stoop that low!!!!!
Bad news,
but i would buy a license of you, too
wow..thats ****ed up!
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Banning is not enough. Anybody remember how Jay and Silent Bob handled the negative movie reviews?
**Music***How many people wanna kick some @$$***Music**
I make light of the subject, but really. If you're douchebag enough to steal someone else's work and sell it as your own, you deserve nothing betther than to have the 5#17 kicked out of you. No stupid sentencing, no community service or refund money, just hefty fines and ass-whoopin's. Simple as that.
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+1 for this..
thanks for all You hard work A_C. I was really hoping for future developement of Your s2v app, but it is Your choice and I respect it.
see... this is situation without solution to be honest. If You would decide to sell Your apps, then they would become even more populare on warez sites.
crap. hopefully in next few weeks/months some failure @ CERN will put a definitive end to all this madness.
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bro
Is this guy trying to sell crack copies of wisbar as well? if so lakeridge software may also have something to say about his $10 offer.
Thanks AC for all you've done, don't let the fools get you down, it's just because your work is so damn good!
guys someone is actually selling this on ebay! wth?
can you block/report items like this?
he is actually stealing your work and donations!
http://cgi.ebay.com/HTC-HD2-Android...&otn=3&po=LVI&ps=63&clkid=5747815010145007575
Don't worry, People that have HD2 in their hands wouldn't be that stupid.
Don't be so sure about that. Just look at the number of stupid posts by people who can't figure out how to drop a folder on their sd card and touch haret.
Somebody should report that guy. He could be taking cash from the pockets of the developers on this site.
I can't beleve that he is actually selling them, I mean, people are buying them!!!!! WTF????
Sign into ebay and report auction
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I can't beleve that he is actually selling them, I mean, people are buying them!!!!! WTF????
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If you have an ebay account, just select auction and hit the report button to ebay, and they will close that auction... I did that to a few of them... When you report the auction, just be sure to include XDA web site so ebay can see that the info is there for free, and those people selling the info is fraud.......
Yeah its not good!! Some people will fall for it...
According to his listings he has sold 8 copies so far for US$10.
Also this one selling an SD card with it on for GBP£30
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HD2-ANDROID-I...MobilePhones_MobilePhones&hash=item2c56e0f5ab
I am not an ebay customer, but can he be stopped? He/They are selling a copy of freely available work. Only a chef can stop them if they claim property rights.
Best way is for an ebay customer to look at who purchased a copy, contact them through ebay contact email, let them know they were conned and ask if they will give you sellers name, address and/or email, then add comments to ebay forum.
i reported his listing on ebay. please report also if possible
Code:
Please note that this is a system generated email; please do not reply to this email because it won't reach us. You can contact the Customer support using the help section from the navbar.
Listing Policy Breaches > Counterfeits and breach of copyright > Other potential infringement > Beta software, test software, or evaluation software
Item Numbers(s):
190436144555
Message: this is a FREE item from www.xda-developers.com
it is open source and it is illegal to be sold!!
I reported this crook as well. Maybe change your thread title to "eBay Scam" to attract more needed attention.
There's more of that crap:
http://cgi.ebay.com/HTC-HD2-Android-Froyo-2-2-/170541861010?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item27b5164892
Some asshole tries to make easy money with the work of others, and against the free license too.
there have been thread after thread about people doing this , and every one came to one conclusion ....let them do what they do ...it makes you look like a hater
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According to his listings he has sold 8 copies so far for US$10.
Also this one selling an SD card with it on for GBP£30
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HD2-ANDROID-I...MobilePhones_MobilePhones&hash=item2c56e0f5ab
I am not an ebay customer, but can he be stopped? He/They are selling a copy of freely available work. Only a chef can stop them if they claim property rights.
Best way is for an ebay customer to look at who purchased a copy, contact them through ebay contact email, let them know they were conned and ask if they will give you sellers name, address and/or email, then add comments to ebay forum.
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well, this one is not that bad. he tells that the payment is only for the work he does.
he does that only for the ones that doesnt understand how to do it alone
he even writes that every purchase gives a donation to the devs of the hd2 android project and gives credits to the devs.. so i dont know if its really that bad as u say?
i mean, he is not selling the software, the buyers only pay his work
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there have been thread after thread about people doing this , and every one came to one conclusion ....let them do what they do ...it makes you look like a hater
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It's actually illegal, and making money from someone else's work, which is also thievery.
I can't see why someone would defend such people... unless you are one of them, of course.
D4rkSoRRoW said:
well, this one is not that bad. he tells that the payment is only for the work he does.
he does that only for the ones that doesnt understand how to do it alone
he even writes that every purchase gives a donation to the devs of the hd2 android project and gives credits to the devs.. so i dont know if its really that bad as u say?
i mean, he is not selling the software, the buyers only pay his work
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No! This should never be sold, thus community we are all part of is gree, that's what makes it so good, most make donations. But there donations, its wrong if he is making donations then is he making them to the likes of cotulla and his team and all the other cooks that have given us their time! It's crap these guys should be tracked down and banned of xda
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Wildcopper said:
It's actually illegal, and making money from someone else's work, which is also thievery.
I can't see why someone would defend such people... unless you are one of them, of course.
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the only way you would know is if you was a customer lmao
i don’t think that someone that cannot do it himself/herself should pay though! We never denied help to anyone around here and personally i even received two phones by mail, unlocked them, flashed a custom rom and send them back so no i will not say "it's ok"
i volunteer if any of those sellers needs help to send me the SD and i will send it back with the Android OS (i don’t believe its necessary though, its some simple steps)
i will try to contact the newswritters abt this issue
Wildcopper said:
It's actually illegal, and making money from someone else's work, which is also thievery.
I can't see why someone would defend such people... unless you are one of them, of course.
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why should this be illegal?? if you pay for his work of compiling information, and not for the build itself? he says he'll send instructions, not a file/zip/sdcard/device...
don't get me wrong - i'm not defending this guy. but there's a difference between being illegal and being impolite/unfair/an as*h*le....
to state it clear once again: i personally don't like what the guy is doing, i do not support this inacceptable behaviour.
hebbe said:
why should this be illegal?? if you pay for his work of compiling information, and not for the build itself? he says he'll send instructions, not a file/zip/sdcard/device...
don't get me wrong - i'm not defending this guy. but there's a difference between being illegal and being impolite/unfair/an as*h*le....
to state it clear once again: i personally don't like what the guy is doing, i do not support this inacceptable behaviour.
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It is always a gray area as eBay sellers only sell the links (most of them don't even compile the instructions themselves), they do not sell the software. It is a shame that this happens (has happened for years), but they clearly state that they are only providing the info on how to do things. I agree that no one should sell even knowledge that is not theirs, but technically speaking, it is not illegal. They are only selling info...
I still reported it though, but I doubt anything good will come out of it.
Unfortunately there is no law against people profiting off of stupidity.
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Well it looks like Ebay took care of it. Thread closed