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Wisbar and Wisbar Desktop - Or SIMILAR SHAREWARE ?

Hi all,
I am a Newbie here !!
Just wondering if anyone here has the Latest WORKING VERSION of Wisbar and Wisbar Desktop . or Something Similar In Shareware Category
jeasbe'

you can download a working version from www.lakeridgesoftware.com

QuaCKeReD said:
you can download a working version from www.lakeridgesoftware.com
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Thanx ! It says : Price: $9.99 USD
I just spent on the New Phone....
I was wondering if ...........any thing that keeps on working forever
(anything Similar that does Not Put Load on the 200 Mhz like the O2 Plus

jeasbe said:
QuaCKeReD said:
you can download a working version from www.lakeridgesoftware.com
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Thanx ! It says : Price: $9.99 USD
I just spent on the New Phone....
I was wondering if ...........any thing that keeps on working forever
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Well, if you buy it, there's no reason it shouldn't.

chris who writes the software does an awsome job and deservs all the support he can get. if u can spend the $$$ on a nice pda spend some on the best software u can use

Jeasbe,
I am sorry mate but it is people like you that makes it so hard for developers to continue all their hard work, you should be banned forever from this forum.
Sorry to everyone else I will climb down my soapbox now.

Mikebj said:
Jeasbe,
I am sorry mate but it is people like you that makes it so hard for developers to continue all their hard work, you should be banned forever from this forum.
Sorry to everyone else I will climb down my soapbox now.
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Well said mike - we wont make you PM at the moment, maybe a MP though! :wink:

Mark,
We are into development our selfes so it really makes me loose it when I see requests like this.
I guess people simply dont realize how many man hours is spent on developing, testing, remove bugs, more testing etc., to finally see some clever kid crack the security (if any) and give it away for free, or even worse selling compiled CD's with all the latest software on Ebay.
LOL I am really sorry, just cant help my self.
*Mike swiftly climbs dow again*

Mikebj said:
Mark,
We are into development our selfes so it really makes me loose it when I see requests like this.
I guess people simply dont realize how many man hours is spent on developing, testing, remove bugs, more testing etc., to finally see some clever kid crack the security (if any) and give it away for free, or even worse selling compiled CD's with all the latest software on Ebay.
LOL I am really sorry, just cant help my self.
*Mike swiftly climbs dow again*
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I totally agree mike it really bugs me too -$10 is nothing for a program, most PPC programs are cheap, so its not a problem really. Out of interest what software do you develop?

Mark,
We are working on a very promising program right now, and all I can say at the moment is that it has something to do with an alternative to Itunes for Ipod's.
Othervise we work for companies developing frontends for their databases like MS SQL Server, and Access(though that is getting less and less) either as stand alone programs or integrated as a dynamic website.
We have just replaced our phones with O2 XDA Mini S(don't know how we could ever live without them lol) and have all ready had some ideas for a few pieces of software/utilities for them, so lets see when we can find the time to do something about it.
All I need now is a Tom Tom kit so my Ipaq can go in the car and be upgraded to my super navigator lol.

Mikebj said:
Mark,
We are working on a very promising program right now, and all I can say at the moment is that it has something to do with an alternative to Itunes for Ipod's.
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Well please keep the forum informed of progress of above program if possible - sounds good. I use my wizard alot for playing music - love those stereo speakers!
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It always amuses me that people can drop $300 on a new device, but somehow can't seem to afford a $10 software application.
The really sad thing is they just don't understand what an incredible bargain they're getting in a software title like WisBar.
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Just gotta wonder...

I had a go with the trial version of Wisbar, but binned it when I found the skins don't work properly when I switched to landscape mode. I'd maybe consider paying for it if it worked properly. :roll:

Hi New version now works fine with the Wizard and landscape switch
Give it a try
Jules

jeasbe: as you may have noticed, the name of this site is xda developers. Although most of us develop stuff that is free anyway, all developing takes time and effort and potential divorce settlements.
As everyone has said, spending a tiny fraction of the price of your phone on software that you will use permanently, and gain great pleasure from, is certainly worth even a little of your money. I suggest you try the trial, and if you like it, you know what to do. Wisbar is seminal software, and you will benefit from it. Whether you appreciate the memory drain etc is your choice. But there is also a lite version.
As far as I can tell, the board doesn't have a publicised policy on distributing warez. But the board members have made it clear: we don't appreciate people too cheap to pay for software that they can easily afford to buy, or too lazy to go and find their own cracks.
FYI - my personal policy is, I'm happy to discuss making cracks, since that's a developer's art, but distributing warez and cracks is for other boards. Torrent is your friend. Or a credit card.
V

Mikebj said:
Jeasbe,
I am sorry mate but it is people like you that makes it so hard for developers to continue all their hard work, you should be banned forever from this forum.
Sorry to everyone else I will climb down my soapbox now.
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Thats NOT FAIR Mate. All I said was If there is any software in the FREEWARE CATEGORY.
I never mentioned a WORD CRACK or illegal as many ppl. have done on the Forum.
Perhaps U should have read My words clearly.
I had said "I was wondering if ...........any thing that keeps on working forever"
ANYTHING means ANY THING LIKE WISBAR which is a shareware.
Its easy for us to act Arrogant and hurt one another on the forum buddy.
If U feel happy that way, Let it be.
By the way, This message was Posted By a Microsoft Certified Professional who values The Hours spent in developing anything.
Be it a Small Wisbar or a WINDOWS VISTA.
How many of us who are members here are Not having e-mule or bittorrent and are not interested in downloading the Latest OS ??
We all have our Priorities Mate and Mine was simply a shareware like Wisbar which would keep on working forever.
Thanx and Sorry If I said anything Personal
jeasbe'

Hm, I agree with all of this in a way...
But theres other ways to make money from software.
Sites that gain from advertising and offering free software with an optional donation if the program if good.

vijay555 said:
jeasbe: as you may have noticed, the name of this site is xda developers. Although most of us develop stuff that is free anyway, all developing takes time and effort and potential divorce settlements.
As everyone has said, spending a tiny fraction of the price of your phone on software that you will use permanently, and gain great pleasure from, is certainly worth even a little of your money. I suggest you try the trial, and if you like it, you know what to do. Wisbar is seminal software, and you will benefit from it. Whether you appreciate the memory drain etc is your choice. But there is also a lite version.
As far as I can tell, the board doesn't have a publicised policy on distributing warez. But the board members have made it clear: we don't appreciate people too cheap to pay for software that they can easily afford to buy, or too lazy to go and find their own cracks.
FYI - my personal policy is, I'm happy to discuss making cracks, since that's a developer's art, but distributing warez and cracks is for other boards. Torrent is your friend. Or a credit card.
V
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WELL QUOTED VIJAY,
I LIKED THE WAY u put the things.
I appreciate your suggestions and Even though some members Posts were hurting to My Ego, Your understanding Message was a relief that theer still are people in this world who dont hide from the harsh realities of the world.
In fact as I was still posting the message someone from some other corner of this lonely planet had already sent me the link for the crack and i even got a file from another friend....
As Put By VIJAY "I'm happy to discuss making cracks, since that's a developer's art, "

jeasbe said:
Mikebj said:
Jeasbe,
I am sorry mate but it is people like you that makes it so hard for developers to continue all their hard work, you should be banned forever from this forum.
Sorry to everyone else I will climb down my soapbox now.
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Thats NOT FAIR Mate. All I said was If there is any software in the FREEWARE CATEGORY.
I never mentioned a WORD CRACK or illegal as many ppl. have done on the Forum.
Perhaps U should have read My words clearly.
I had said "I was wondering if ...........any thing that keeps on working forever"
ANYTHING means ANY THING LIKE WISBAR which is a shareware.
Its easy for us to act Arrogant and hurt one another on the forum buddy.
If U feel happy that way, Let it be.
By the way, This message was Posted By a Microsoft Certified Professional who values The Hours spent in developing anything.
Be it a Small Wisbar or a WINDOWS VISTA.
How many of us who are members here are Not having e-mule or bittorrent and are not interested in downloading the Latest OS ??
We all have our Priorities Mate and Mine was simply a shareware like Wisbar which would keep on working forever.
Thanx and Sorry If I said anything Personal
jeasbe'
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Your original "subject" said something about "warez", didn't it? And as for Microsoft Certified Professional: I've got that, too. Actually, I've got a few more of those certs. The way I see it, MCP is far too easy to get. Any monkey can be trained to pass some of the easier exams using a braindump.
You'll have to learn that quality comes at a cost. And I'm sorry to say this, but so far I haven't been very impressed by the quality of some Indian "System Engineers" who have come over here and tried to take business away from me. Yes, they might be cheaper - in the beginning. But in the long run, quality and experience do make a difference, and customers tend to come back.
On the other hand, I also know some guys from India who are really very good. I'm wondering in what category to put an "MCP" from India who, after not being able to find a crack on BitTorrent, eMule or whatever has the gall to ask for one in this forum.
'nuff said.

dma97701 said:
It always amuses me that people can drop $300 on a new device, but somehow can't seem to afford a $10 software application.
The really sad thing is they just don't understand what an incredible bargain they're getting in a software title like WisBar.
:roll:
Just gotta wonder...
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IT Amuses Me even More that Some people Just joined this forum TODAY and the first thing they did was scorn at others interest for some shareare.
Anyway, to each his own

Name And Shame Ebayer Stealing Xdev Material.

To all
Mods, I apologize if this is not the right place to put this thread, but I figured that it will have more exposure to the developers than if I were to put it in General.
I just learned from the Slither's cube thread that there is an ebay user trying to sell his work. However, if you look into his other stuff, he is also selling S2U2, PocketCM, PCM Keyboard, Grumps Iphone Interface, the Iphone Dialer, along with some other apps.
Here is the link to his auction(s)
http://cgi.ebay.com/Iphone-Theme-To...ryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I urge you guys that if this is your work, to report this a--hole to Ebay. Who knows, maybe even slap a suit or two.
Mods, can we get this as a sticky (at least until this is resolved)?
Thanks

Absolutely disgusting.

I'm curious if people's programs are being licensed, that sucks. hope he gets removed from ebay, that's not right.

Maybe people xda should set up a freeware license. Free to use, but illegal to sell. That way people will have legal rights to their work.

Thats seriously out of order! What a complete £^&*%$!!!!
MM

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Thats seriously out of order! What a complete £^&*%$!!!!
MM
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I can just confirm I never gave any authorization for that.
... but ebay isn't really helping me in this case apparently...

tene, I hope this doesn't deter you from furthering development on any current or upcoming projects.

tene said:
I can just confirm I never gave any authorization for that.
... but ebay isn't really helping me in this case apparently...
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Like I said in my first post. We can try to report this a--hole to ebay. He is obviously doing it w/o permission from any of you guys. Let's try to do something about it. Any ideas are welcome. I think that the same thread where I got this from, also had a link for violations of intellectual property for ebay. I will look it up and post it here when I find it.

are the works here licensed under GNU GPL open source?

i swear if i find this guy ripping my rom build and posting it on ebay i'll personally make it my mission to find him and knock some sense into him! this just makes me sick, i dont even ask for donations for the stuff i've contributed and this [email protected] goes around making money from us. the sad thing is people actually buy his stolen stuff.

newbie1221 said:
i swear if i find this guy ripping my rom build and posting it on ebay i'll personally make it my mission to find him and knock some sense into him! this just makes me sick, i dont even ask for donations for the stuff i've contributed and this [email protected] goes around making money from us. the sad thing is people actually buy his stolen stuff.
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Keep in mind that a lot of people do not know about this site. In looking for the latest upgrades for something that is supposedly not upgradeable, all of the sudden you see it in ebay "cheap" and hassle free with easy to follow instructions, I would not think about it twice and purchase it.
I do agree with you, if I had an app stolen for profitable purposes by this guy, I would not rest until I up my foot so far up his as% that he would have to make a whole in my boot to be able to eat...

I don't agree with what he is doing, but the fact is, he could argue he is only "selling" his original work and material. The applications are all freeware (true even if they were GPL). He states that, "This auction is for a CD with all tools and step by step instructions (with pictures)." Assuming he wrote the instructions and is compiling the CD, he may be sly, but not illegal. If he was making claims on the "tools" then that would be a different story.
Like I said, I don't agree, but I am not sure it is illegal, or against ebay policy.

I sent a note to the PocketCM folks. I figure it can't hurt to get as many people being hurt by this guy in on it.

I suggest we email the buyers. In fact I've done the top three in his feedback. They can complain to paypal or ebay themselves

PhilD41 said:
I don't agree with what he is doing, but the fact is, he could argue he is only "selling" his original work and material. The applications are all freeware (true even if they were GPL). He states that, "This auction is for a CD with all tools and step by step instructions (with pictures)." Assuming he wrote the instructions and is compiling the CD, he may be sly, but not illegal. If he was making claims on the "tools" then that would be a different story.
Like I said, I don't agree, but I am not sure it is illegal, or against ebay policy.
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Im affriad Phill is right if we were to do somthing about it he could back fire on us.... we dont know if in the instrutions it say thanks to the guys from xda-developers.... i dont agree cuz there still the fact that he is charging for freeware that are people from xda ppcgeeks and ect are working there arses of for fun of being admired for there amazing power by us (the public)
im just simply saying.... lets think before we raise hell on him

Makes a good point, he may jsut be selling "his instructions and his cd-r and packaging", but that's not cool. I guess, like someone mentioned earlier, just point out that it's here for free. and by the way I donate whenever I can, at least 5 bucks and i'm no richy rich!
PhilD41 said:
I don't agree with what he is doing, but the fact is, he could argue he is only "selling" his original work and material. The applications are all freeware (true even if they were GPL). He states that, "This auction is for a CD with all tools and step by step instructions (with pictures)." Assuming he wrote the instructions and is compiling the CD, he may be sly, but not illegal. If he was making claims on the "tools" then that would be a different story.
Like I said, I don't agree, but I am not sure it is illegal, or against ebay policy.
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Westie277 said:
im just simply saying.... lets think before we raise hell on him
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You can raise hell on him.
My applications are available for free, but distribution isn't allowed, it's clearly stated about everywhere. Freeware doesn't mean "do whatever you want with it".
The prob here, is that I can just waste time complaining to ebay, which take time and probably won't lead to anything.
I should probably just stop waste time sharing my stuff completely, it would certainly avoid this kind of issue (and that means you'll never see PocketCM Calendar).
ps: for the people that didn't make the link, "pocketcm folks" is basically ... me.

and people have actually bought software from him.....ridicoulous

someone should sue. I'm not rally one for lawsuits but cmon!

You could start another auction with a similar title, and in the description, tell people about this site and that all other auctions are rip-offs. That way people searching for such things would likely see it.

What is XDA policy here re Scammers who sell XDA hackers' software?

This community is so damn innovative and cooperative, it amazes me what software/ROMS get cooked here which really add a lot of productivity value to me, transforming a tedious, hard-to-read Windows Mobile User Interface into a tool that really works on the go. And I've been equally impressed by the collaborative spirit of this community in problem solving and feature tweeks.
Thus I am curious if there is an organized policy here that helps us end-users deter the scammers who grab software from XDA-developers, bundle it, and sell it across the web. I'm speaking of a prominent spot on the home page and within the information design of these forums that, just like the "Missing Kids" alerts on milk cartons, highlights prominently the latest scammers stealing work here.
I understand this forum is for actual development, but truth is this issue gets lost in "General" forums. Because it's the people who hack here who are the people being hurt directly.
Though I signed onto XDA over a year ago, and have read volumes re my T-mobile MDA and software upgrades here, I ended up being nonetheless too nervous to follow the very clear instructions posted last year with all if the various WM 6 roms developed here. And I never did upgrade.
But I have a WING now, and I wanted an iphone theme and user interface. Again I read all the sticky threads for the Herald, as well as the links from the wiki for that specific phone. After several days of trying to figure out "should I be first flashing my T-mobile ROM to a more efficient one, before then seeking to install one of the iphone themes and apps like A_C's S2U2 etc. I then did a dumb consumer thing: when searching this site using Google, I followed the links to one or two of the GOOGLE AD-WORDS hawking an iPhone theme on your PocketPC.
Long story short, I got scammed of $10 for something that was outdated and didn't even install properly on my WING... But I'd been "comforted" by the presentation on their website, http://iphonethemeforpocketpc.com , thinking I would get my head cleared of the confusion that mounts when I'd dig down deep into the many discussions of so many ROMs & themes & apps here. I got burned, that was bad enough. But it then pissed me off doubly that superior software would be found here at XDA -- and more than likely some of that guy's component cab files were simply stolen from developers right here.
I ended up back here and successfully installed the ifonz theme, A_C's S2U2 (the scam site had an old slide2unlock version... bit as everyone here knows, A_C's app is superb. I also installed Contact Manager (amazing!), PCM keyboard (what an improvement over windows), and MortPlayer (fantastic). I intend to donate to each program author.
But the purpose of this post is this: I filed a dispute with PayPal (requires login) over this scammer's non-working product and absolute refusal to even reply to my early "friendly" emails seeking install help. Went through PayPal's Resolution Center "escalation process" -- after no reply from the seller to PayPal -- and my dispute became a CLAIM for Paypal to determine outcome. PayPal's reply, denying the claim, states that they reviewed all communications and investigated the issue fully (totally not true).
I could have stopped there -- afterall i'd long ago expended way more than $10 worth of my time -- but it was for the principle of it. So I called PayPal, went through all the menu-options, screenings, and hold queues, and finally spoke to an actual Resolution Agent -- who was very nice, & actually very helpful.
However: I learned then, from her, what many of you may already know -- but I wonder DOES everyone know?, because I sure didn't... She told me that anything digital or downloadable is not even covered with any Buyer Protection as disclosed in PayPal's terms of service. So the claim got closed automatically because it didn't qualify for any dispute resolution. I was really surprised by this, that no downloadable software is subject to dispute/resolution policies -- and that's why I am writing this thread, as a service (I *hope*) to all you developers.
I first did a search here on the boards for "scams", because I wanted to find a place on this site to DISPLAY CLEARLY---> Here is a scamsite --> make sure your stuff is not being sold there. That's when I saw this sampling of threads, below, and had to wonder, is there a policy here that is clear and easy to find (NO! not that I can see!) that helps developers here by giving us end-users a place to post the hit-list of scammers on ebay, on iphonetheme websites, etc. ?
If so, I missed it in the information design here. If not, I recommend it. I know it burns you guys who are being ripped off -- but it also ticks off less-sophisticated community members like me (end-users of your hard work) to see your works exploited -- given especially their innovation and performance tweeks.
Here are just a few of the threads I found from this year, from March 08, where people reported being ripped off by people selling their works. In my view, I don't think that's enough or sufficient to just have someone start a thread saying "beware of X, Y or Z". And that's why I posted this. Thanks to all of you who make the lives of end-users more productive with your great work.
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Name And Shame Ebayer Stealing Xdev Material
Bastards selling my Unlocker
Thief On The Loose At Hofo and possibly xda!

wow.. no reply. well i know i'm verbose, but i thought this would at least get a reply that explained yes/no if the site has designated a specific area to broadcast who are the current scammers operating out on he internets...
Should I be posting this into a different forum? if so, which one please/ thanks

As far as I know, there is no area warning about potential scams. There have been issues with people selling cooked roms on ebay that i'm aware of, but that normally comes up in model-specific forums.
it definitely could be helpful to have such an area on the forum, but at the same time, there have been many stickies informing people NOT to go out and sell other peoples work, and advising people against using warez and cracked programs.
Most people that have come to this forum realize there is no reason to pay for most software, as there's probably an excellent free or open source alternative. if there's not yet, someone's working on one. this forum is a mix of entusiasts, programmers, hackers, and people who just love to tweak their devices. once you come here and see the vast amounts of information, there's really no need to go anywhere else. i check the xda forums rather regularly, and pocketpcfreeware every now and again.
i don't think a scams section on the forum would help keep from people getting scammed elsewhere... they usually find this site after they've already been scammed. many of us have already taken it into our own hands, by trying to point as many people as we can here, so they can learn the beauty of free, well maintained software and roms made by people who just want to help others enjoy their devices more and more.
scammers are more like a disease... and prevention is the best medicine.

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As far as I know, there is no area warning about potential scams. There have been issues with people selling cooked roms on ebay that i'm aware of, but that normally comes up in model-specific forums.
it definitely could be helpful to have such an area on the forum, but at the same time, there have been many stickies informing people NOT to go out and sell other peoples work, and advising people against using warez and cracked programs.
Most people that have come to this forum realize there is no reason to pay for most software, as there's probably an excellent free or open source alternative. if there's not yet, someone's working on one. this forum is a mix of entusiasts, programmers, hackers, and people who just love to tweak their devices. once you come here and see the vast amounts of information, there's really no need to go anywhere else. i check the xda forums rather regularly, and pocketpcfreeware every now and again.
i don't think a scams section on the forum would help keep from people getting scammed elsewhere... they usually find this site after they've already been scammed. many of us have already taken it into our own hands, by trying to point as many people as we can here, so they can learn the beauty of free, well maintained software and roms made by people who just want to help others enjoy their devices more and more.
scammers are more like a disease... and prevention is the best medicine.
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There have been instances where its come to the attention of the community here and the developers of ROMS and programs that their work is being packaged and sold on ebay and the like. Obviously this behavior is viewed very negatively. While there is no policy or "organized" efforts to monitor and react, when someone does point out an instance, the community members rally around and do what they can to call the guy out, and warn potential scammees of it. Ebay is often notified directly, and also comments on the sellers postings on ebay are made to warn.
And yes, your post is verbose

Question about an invention...

Ok. I have this idea that could make millions of dollars if pitched correctly. This invention would work for the Kaiser and many other phone manufacterers but I'll just stick to WM platform for now. How would I be able to get developers to help out on it without the fear of it getting stolen?

I'm currently looking into getting a patent. Any recommendations other than that to safeguard my idea?

i guess you can never trust people in this kind of things. one thing you could do is to find some people that will sign some kind of contract and then make this contract official (find some lawyer to make this contract for you and approve it)

Thanks dude. I'm saving some money so I can hire a lawyer and get paperwork straight. This idea is genius and practical. I just needed the help of some genius developers too. Didn't want to spill the info but wanted some re-assurance.

I was thinking about something.
You hear people suing people over a song that they originally created. The funny thing is that the lawsuit comes up when the song becomes popular and rakes in millions. That's a smart thing. I mean if my idea ever got stolen. Anways any lawyers on this forum. Any idea of the cost of getting this into contract and patented?

if this idea of yours got anything to do with wm i guess you can find quality developers here on xda. just search and find developers that created software somehow related to your idea (same developing tools used, same environment...).
as for the costs, i got no idea and it depends on country you are in. but the costs can not exceed the profit if plans are realistic. so, all you need to know is how sure are you that the idea is good, possible to realize, has market and things like this. you also need to know that you must invest if you wan't to make a profit.
my advise to you is that you reconsider your idea and it's realism and then if you really believe in idea and yourself just go for it. the point is that you must be sure in what you are doing and do it in right time. as people say, time is money.
p.s.: i would suggest you to find some moderator and ask him to move this thread in some more relevant forum (some in general forums) as there you have more chance to get some reply

Here is what I would do first off -
I would describe the entire project and then mail it to myself registered mail and do NOT open the envelope. This will be your proof that you had the idea on this date as you describe it in the note.
Bill

whk said:
Here is what I would do first off -
I would describe the entire project and then mail it to myself registered mail and do NOT open the envelope. This will be your proof that you had the idea on this date as you describe it in the note.
Bill
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But this has absolutely no value in case you need to go to court.
What has is the date you file a patent application with a brief summary of the idea. The best is to to that ASAP. After that, you have about one year to formulate the exact patent text highlighting the exact key points that can apply for a patent (that are considered innovative) and that you want to protect. This will then have to be approved, and then (this can be months/years later) the patent is active and you can start suing potential copiers. BUT, the important point is that the date you filed the application on is the one that is valid in case someone else files another patent on the same subject, the one applying first wins. Note that nothing of it can be made public before this is done or everything is void.
It should cost a couple of thousand $ to get the application done, then once your patent is accepted the amount you need to pay depends on the number of countries you want to protect it in, and can reach $10k or more per country per year.
I have filed a patent application myself about 2 years ago, and that 1 year delay to file the definitive text was enough to convince me that the move was just useless. But my idea doesn't make millions anyway.
Personally for something that is software-based, as an individual, if the idea is really good and has a lot of potential I'd just file an application to have that first filing date in case really needed, but I guess I wouldn't go further. The problem is above - you need to choose the countries the idea is protected in. For software, if you don't go worldwide then all it would take to someone wanting to copy you would be to open an office in one of the countries you didn't list and start spreading his copy from there without you being able to do anything against it, but still having paid the patent a fair lot that is now lost...
Note that all of this is my experience and what I've learned from it - I'm no lawyer and you should still ask advice from one to take the right decisions. It's valid for international protection, if you're in the US and want to file a US only patent things are simpler and go faster from what I've heard.

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But this has absolutely no value in case you need to go to court...snip...
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Very little has any value in court.
I have spent $60,000.00 defending software written by me. It was obvious that the person violating the software had deeper pockets than we did and could simply tie us up in legal maneuvers forever - we simply had to quit prosecuting.
Bill

I have run my own company for 30 years. Now let me get this straight, you have an idea but want everyone else to develop it for you, so you can make millions. Does that sum it up?
People only steal and misappropriate when they feel (rightly/wrongly) that they are getting taken advantage of to line someone else's pockets.
"I deserve all the money because it was my idea," doesn't cut it. Make people feel they are helping themselves as much as you. Give them a fair share and they will work hard and be honest.
Now before you nay sayers start telling me I live in a fantasy world, as I said up front ,I've been doing it for thirty years.
Oh yeah, and keep a real good eye on the Ledgers.

gqstatus0685 said:
Thanks dude. I'm saving some money so I can hire a lawyer and get paperwork straight. This idea is genius and practical. I just needed the help of some genius developers too. Didn't want to spill the info but wanted some re-assurance.
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Hire someone.

Ok. I wasn't saying that I was going to get all the money. Obviosly If I hired some developers from this site I would state in contract what the terms would be and what everyone's share would be. I'd doubt a developer would work on a project blindly without knowing what they were going to get out of it. I just wanted information and once I get all this sorted out then I can speak on the project. It is for windows mobile and could be used by millions of people in different professions.

Diamond Software on ebay

I see some low life #[email protected]# #@#] is making money out of everybodys great development work on Ebay item number 180301613315.
So if nobody minds i thought about placing our own item on ebay exactly the same as this #unt# but for free and with a link directly to this site. What do ya think.
Tim

link:
http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...180301613315&_sacat=See-All-Categories&_fvi=1
He said it is freeware...

None of those apps have any kind of restrictive license that prevents resale that I know of. In addition he's selling it for 2GBP, which is like.. nothing. I'm surprised he's bothering considering the time it takes to burn the disc and ship it. When you add in free postage, it's clear that he's not making any money on it.

really don't get this! not being undecent on stuff but can't someone just go ahead and download these apps for free online(in cabs), immediately. or are some of the software included sold*like the bubbles-is it the one from spb(is this version full?)
clearification please!

He's trying to get people aware of these wonderful apps? I'm sure people will start googling after they've bought and used them. Therefore, they'll reach this site I think in the end it will help the developers. I think this guy is a good samaritan not a thief.

Nice one
What a fu**ing wa**er

yeah, its not like he's looking for any money out of the deal..

Kraize92 said:
He's trying to get people aware of these wonderful apps? I'm sure people will start googling after they've bought and used them. Therefore, they'll reach this site I think in the end it will help the developers. I think this guy is a good samaritan not a thief.
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good point of view...

F****d up... hope no one will buy that...
If you have to give money away - donate the developers
and not some idiot burning them on a CD...