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Compatible Bluetooth GPS Devices for Atom

I have TomTom software installed on my Atom, I've tried using a Polstar Bluetooth GPS unit to see if that would work but it fails to read the correct Comm port on the atom.
Does anyone know if this is compatible with the Atom, or of any other GPS devices (bluetooth or cabled) that would work?

Hi there
i am working with GPSlim236 from HOLUX and it very good and easy to install.

cool, thanks.
What's the battery use like if in use? The problem is that the lighter socket in my car is 'dodgy' to say the least, so the longer the life before i have to charge the better
(hmm...I predict being guided somewhere, losing battery life on GPS, and getting lost....SatNav at its finest.......)

The BT-77 (Nemerix chipset) from e-bay also works really well, especially considering the price. I have used this in Australia, UK and the US and have had no problems pairing it with the Atom.
Battery life is also good, as I've used it for a whole day with no sign of running out.

sometimes to connect GPS device, you need to create new OUTGOING port, and pareing the device

Thanks jeremy_elman, I will investigate.
Kropotov, I can get it to pair ok, and I have tried setting outgoing ports. The problem is that it won't allow me to set the outgoing port to the correct COM port that I need for the GPS. It comes up with an error.
I checked up on this from Polstar and they said to adjust registry settings. But even this doesn't work and they couldn't give me any information with regards to compatability. But I know the Polstar one I had works as it was working on an iPAQ 6340, installing it as a cable GPS device and setting the baud rate. The outgoing com ports on bluetooth could be set to the relevant ones for the device, and pairing was straight-forward.

Problem with GPS Reciver on Atom XDA with Tomtom
Hello, i've installed Tomtom 5.21 and the maps and everything is Ok. but i can't make the link between my gps reciver (Royaltek Star III) and the atom XDA. I've installed the partnership in the settings but it doesn't connect with the antenna. I've seen in my other pda (ipaq hx4700 and ipaq hx2790) that there is a bluetooth manager in the connection setting but there is non in the atom XDA. Do you know what's the solution ?
I've the same problem than you for the outgoing ports, i can't choose the one i want and i can't find the good port in tomtom gps settings.
Thanks

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sometimes to connect GPS device, you need to create new OUTGOING port, and pareing the device
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same with u, kropotov. i use garmin gps10 with ATOM EXEC. work well and smooth.

dlawson5
it's very strange... i have all com ports free, and can choose all, include 8, that tomtom need. Do you have other bluetooth devices, pared with Atom?

I'm using a Garmin GPS10. To get around similar com port issues i install Franson's GPSGATE. A downloadable trial is available to try before you buy. The two advantages of this software solution is that you can nominate virtual com ports meaning you determoine the com port for the TomTom software and secondly you can use more than one GPS software package simultaneously. I run both Garmin Que (navigation) and OziExlorer (topographic and mapping) at the same time. You can't do this without GPSGate. Many bluetooth GPS devices drop their connections regularly. I find that GPSGate holds the connection better and reconnects quickly if it does drop. I highly recommend you try this before chasing around for different GPS devices.
John

Atom with BT GPS
I am using the Atom with the Holux GPSlim236 and it works like a charm.
Rated GPS battery life is 10Hrs and it uses the nokia 6xxx handphone battery so easy to charge and/or replace when battery gets old.
I had some problems using it initially 'cos built right into the Atom is a GPS management software that manages GPS connections apparently so that you can run more than one GPS application in the Atom and all the applications can share the GPS data. However I find that turning this on tends to lockup the GPS application (MapKing) and sometimes causes lost connections. TURN THIS OFF. Besides, I don't see myself using more than one GPS application (but that may change ! looking for a good track logging software - anyone knows one ?).
The other thing I noticed which makes the connection more reliable is to turn off the secure serial communication.
With those two settings off, works like a charm and no more problems !

O2 Atom with Holux GPSlim236 Bluetooth GPSr
Hi,
Not sure if this helps but I am able to get my Atom to work with my Holux BT GPSr using Garmin Que.
Here's the link to how I set it up : http://www.malsingmaps.com/forum/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=41060#41060
So far, it rocks!

O2 Atom with Holux GPSlim236 Bluetooth GPSr
Hi,
Not sure if this helps but I am able to get my Atom to work with my Holux BT GPSr using Garmin Que.
Here's the link to how I set it up : http://www.malsingmaps.com/forum/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=41060#41060
So far, it rocks!

O2 XDA Mini S, TOMTOM 5.21 WM5 - Handsfree disconnects

Hello All,
I have today noticed a problem with my XDA Mini S following the installation of TT 5.21 - Before the software was installed the phone would pair and remain connected with my Vauxhall, factory fit, bluetooth carkit. Calls could me made and received, phonebook info would sync with no problems - all 600 entries!
Following the installation of TT5.21 the phone will now disconnect after 15-20 seconds from the carkit unless TT is running with an active route and the TT Traffic updates enabled!!!
Trying to make a call without TT running means that it only presents on the phone and does not go though to the car kit. Even with tomtom running, unless you have a route planned and TT traffic active then it will still disconnect from the carkit...
I have posted a question to tomtom technical support regarding this and will also try O2 tomorrow to see if they have seen this before...
Anybody else seen anything like this?
Andy. :?

Silly question - is the bluetooth on constantly on the Mini S? If not you need to do this.
TomTom switches bluetooth on automatically if it isn't on already, if you have a BT receiver selected, which I assume you have.

Its not a silly question - I thought that this was the problem to start with but even with Tomtom running and talking to the GPS receiver, it still disconnects from the car kit unless tomtom traffic is active and you have an active route... :? :?
No updates from TT Support yet :roll: - i'll post when I receive something.

Tomtom support came back today with the following response - reading it, it is obvious that they have not understood the problem...I have written back to them pointing out the fact that it also disconnects even when Tomtom isn't running - Only way to get it to work is to have tomtom traffic running - maybe something in that... ;-)
Since we do not support the usage of third-party carkits (Bluetooth or wired/serial), we are only able to offer a technical theory as to your problem.
As your carkit is connected with a (virtual) Bluetooth serial connection, there is most likely an internal conflict with regards to the serial connection. PDA's support multiple Bluetooth profiles (methods of connecting), but typically bind the serial port to one device. Seeing this, the most likely culprit is the fact that the PDA keeps on switching focus between the two devices that use the serial port: Your BT GPS-receiver and the BT Carkit. When Navigator 5 is running, it pre-empts the serial port connection for the GPS-receiver, which forces the connection to stabilise.
Though we cannot offer you a solution to your problem, please try changing the settings of your BT Serial connection (removing the Authentication and Encryption options).
Kind regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team

Tomtom BT GPS & BT HF : Official statement, it won't wo

I've been having a discussion with TomTom support over the last few days regarding a problem with getting my Mini S to talk to a BT GPS Receiver and a BT HF kit at the same time. Tomtom have basically told me this won't work and that whilst Tomtom is installed - not even running, the phone will not work with a BT HF device....!!!! :?
Anybody else experience this? Are Tomtom saying that their software basically renders the phone useless with handsfree??? :shock:
I've included the conversation from Tomtom below :-
Note the entries are in reverse order.
Response 06/07/2006 01.34 PM
Dear Mr. Kirby,
Since your PDA does not have any physical serial interface, a wired GPS-receiver (which runs through a serial interface) will unfortunately not be possible.
To further clarify our statement, your PDA seems to have difficulties sharing the same BT connection port and/or profile between multiple devices or services. This has nothing to do with our software, this is hard-coded into the operating system and hardware your PDA runs on. The binding of a BT serial port is a PDA function, not a software function.
We sympathise with your situation, but as we are not the manufacturers of your PDA or your carkit, there is very little we can do to assist you.
Kind regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
Customer 05/07/2006 10.01 PM
Does this mean that if I use a wired GPS receiver then this will work? Or, are you telling me that once I install the Tomtom software on a PDA phone that I will loose the ability to use any other Bluetooth devices until the Tomtom software is removed? If this is the case then I can hardly see how you can claim compatability with the XDA series of devices, at least without notifying potential customers that they will loose all handsfree functionality via Bluetooth once you install the software?
Response 05/07/2006 02.12 PM
Dear Mr. Kirby,
Our earlier correspondence was unfortunately not entirely clear. What we mean is that there is an internal conflict between our software, which is bound to the PDA Bluetooth Serial Port by the PDA hardware and underlying Windows OS), and your BT Carkit, which attempts to pre-empt the BT Serial Connection bond. This bond is enforced whether or not the program is actually active, and the ability to share a bound serial port concurrently is something that is enforced by your operating system.
This is unfortunately not something we can do anything about, since this is both hardware- and Windows-based (in the sense that multiple programs cannot access the same serial port concurrently), and also because we cannot provide technical support for a problem that is outside the purview of our software.
Kind regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
Customer 04/07/2006 10.10 PM
Your answer makes the assumption that the problem only occurs when the Tomtom software is running. This is not the case. Before Tomtom was installed on the device it would connect to the carkit and work correctly. Following the installation of Tomtom it will no longer remain connected for more than 15-20 seconds, regardless of whether Tomtom is running or not. If Tomtom is running and communicating with the BT GPS receiver it does still not function correctly with the carkit, however, if the Traffic function is activated then it will maintain a connection.
I therefore suggest that your previous explaination is not accurate - I could possibly accept an issue with Tomtom running and it then disconnecting from the carkit however, even with the BT GPS receiver removed from the paired devices and switched off it will still not remain connected.
Response 04/07/2006 01.29 PM
Dear Mr. Kirby,
Since we do not support the usage of third-party carkits (Bluetooth or wired/serial), we are only able to offer a technical theory as to your problem.
As your carkit is connected with a (virtual) Bluetooth serial connection, there is most likely an internal conflict with regards to the serial connection. PDA's support multiple Bluetooth profiles (methods of connecting), but typically bind the serial port to one device. Seeing this, the most likely culprit is the fact that the PDA keeps on switching focus between the two devices that use the serial port: Your BT GPS-receiver and the BT Carkit. When Navigator 5 is running, it pre-empts the serial port connection for the GPS-receiver, which forces the connection to stabilise.
Though we cannot offer you a solution to your problem, please try changing the settings of your BT Serial connection (removing the Authentication and Encryption options).
Kind regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
Response 03/07/2006 08.25 PM
Dear Mr Kirkby,
The incident you reported is escalated to our 2nd Line Support Technicians for further research. We will notify you immediately when they have resolved the incident.
Thank you very much for your understanding.
Kind Regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
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GPS Driver 1.2, MAP Great_britain_Plus-Map v571, English UK
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I have recently upgraded from a O2 XDA II to an O2 XDA Mini S. The product has been working perfectly for a number of days with my Vauxhall(Opel) Vectra Bluetooth car kit. The phone will pair with the unit, the contacts are downloaded etc and the phone will remain paired and make/receive calls via the bluetooth unit until switched off.
Yesterday I installed TOMTOM (Details above) onto the main memory and the GB maps onto the storage cards. The software was activated and my Plus subscription reset for the new device.
TomTom works OK on the device and the traffic information is updated as expected. With TOMTOM running, a route active and traffic information active the phone will maintain a connection with the bluetooth car kit. However, if a route is not active and therefore the traffic information is not active, the phone will connect to the bluetooth carkit and then disconnect after around 15-20 seconds. If the carkit is forced to reconnect it will but once again it will disconnect after 15-20 seconds.
If tomtom is not running, when I go to the phone dialer screen, when I force the phone to connect the headset icon is visible again for 15-20 seconds but then disappears when the phone disconnects from the carkit.
Presently the only way I can keep the phone connected to the carkit is to ensure that tomtom is active with a route and traffic updates switched on.
As stated previously this behaviour only started when tomtom was loaded on the XDA Mini S. Presently there is no way to keep the phone connected via bluetooth unless tomtom is running as above. I am using a Mk I Tomtom bluetooth GPRS receiver.
Tomtom was patched using the updated software as downloaded last week.
I have tried various combinations of resets/ re-pair/ delete device etc on both the carkit and phone. The problem still remains.

Strange, I am using TOMTOM and a Samsung HF kit and it works fine. Automatically cutting the sound from TOMTOM when I make and receive a call and then turning it back on when the phone is not in use.
The only, very minor, glitch is that on call termination there is a maybe 2 second loss of satellite signal.

I am using the Qtek Rom BTW, and the latest TOMTOM GPS drivers.
IIRC you ned to be using 5.21 versions of TOMTOM and drivers.

I have to say, I understand what TomTom are trying to say and agree. Because you've got the COM port set up in Windows, it doesn't matter if TomTom is open or not. I guess you could try deleteing the COM port in the Bluetooth settings and seeing if that solves the problem; then you will really know if it's a Windows problem. It's interesting that trevor.austin's car kit works fine; again seeming to point towards the fact your car kit has some problems with the way Windows handles having a com port set up.

How would I delete the com port? Do you know if there are any cabled GPS receivers about for the XDA Mini S - I guess then I would only be using bluetooth for the car kit?

Hi akirkby,
I also have a BT Carkit. I have the Parrot CK 3100.
I paired BT Carkit and the Emtac BT GPS.
With the BT GPS i need to assign the ports. With the carkit i didn't needed.
He recognized the carkit as a headset.
I think TomTom is right and i think the problem is in the Carkit
When i start TomTom, bluetooth also start automatic and then he nicely connect to mine BT Carkit. And when i shutdown TomTom he also disconnect.
What carkit do you have?
Did you check the IR module? If "allow incoming beams" is on?
You sometimes get some trouble when it on.
When i installed TomTom for a friend that was the problem.
When it was on it wouldn't connect to the wired GPS.
Maybe you should also check the site of your BT Carkit is there is a software update.
The Parrot CK3100 has software to flash your carkit over bluetooth.
Maybe your carkit support that als well.
Can you tell me what carkit you have?

akirkby said:
How would I delete the com port? Do you know if there are any cabled GPS receivers about for the XDA Mini S - I guess then I would only be using bluetooth for the car kit?
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No, unfortunately there are not any wired GPS recievers compatible with the Mini S... That I know of.
Delete the COM port to test by going to Comm Manager -> Settings (Right hotkey) -> Bluetooth Settings -> COM Ports -> tap and hold your GPS COM Port -> Delete.

There does not appear to be a COM port in the list. Under Bluetooth ports all I have are "New Outgoing Port" and "New Incoming Port" - nothing else?

Try setting outgoing port 6 to BT GPS and then tell TomTom to use port 6, make sure that your TomTom is 5.21.

akirkby said:
There does not appear to be a COM port in the list. Under Bluetooth ports all I have are "New Outgoing Port" and "New Incoming Port" - nothing else?
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That's interesting. What GPS are you using?

Its the Tomtom GPS unit - not the latest one, about two years old.

TomTom
If you have "New Outgoing Port" - then create one - try tapping and holding - you should have the options..... it will probably create an outgoing com port on Com6..
You are probably only missing this step..
Also, check that the name you have for your GPS actually ends in "GPS"
Charlie Grillo

[email protected] - the carkit is a factory fit option supplied by Vauxhall - I can't find much info about it on the web :-(

I've added a new outgoing com port - it did suggest com 6. I'll try this and let you know what happens.

Ah that makes sense. When you have a standard TomTom GPS, it doesn't need a COM port, I think TomTom does that for you... which is probably the problem. If you pair the GPS and the phone, create the COM port as you have done, and set TomTom to use the "other bluetooth gps" on the COM Port you set up, it might well work, and not kill your other bluetooth connections.

I paired the BT GPS before Tomtom was started - during pairing it says that the device has a serial port - do you want to use it. I tried saying Yes & No at this point and then adding a new outgoing com port.
Both times it will fail - Tomtom is configured for 'Other' BT receiver on COM 6.
Not sure what to do now.... is this the fault of the Car Kit Manufacturer, XDA or Tomtom? Effectively as soon as Tomtom is loaded on the device then it can no longer be used handsfree...

it should work as use a bt headset and a bt gps all the time with mine and have set up numerous othe miniS's for freinds at work .
have you tried com7 as the outgoing port the handsfree will use a bt profile
it could be a compatiblity issue with the hf car kit as not all bt protocols are the same.

Hello,
paired with a CK3100 parrot and a globalsat GPS works like a charm
Set the outgoing COM7 to the GPS MOUSE!!! and then it works!! dont ask me why!
SO com6 in and com7 out using the GPS mouse bluetooth as the device!!!
Let me know...

Hello,
paired with a CK3100 parrot and a globalsat GPS works like a charm
Set the outgoing COM7 to the GPS MOUSE!!! and then it works!! dont ask me why!
SO com6 in and com7 out using the GPS mouse bluetooth as the device!!!
Let me know...

Tried both com 6 and com 7 as outgoing ports. Port 7 worked until I stopped tomtom - restarted it and then the carkit stopped working again.....

WM6 Bluetooth GPS NIGHTMARE!!!

HELLLP upgraded to WM6 on my BA and now my i-Blue GPS reciever wont sync up and TOMTOM cant even see it im gonna scream and cry has anyone got any ideas??? PLEASE PLEASE help

My BA works fine with my GPS receiver (make sure you added it, and assign COM port to the incoming port). Then I use TT6 with COM6 and it works just fine.
Some people uses the GPS application in Settings, but I did not.

now that used to be the case however i no longler have the ability on the menu to choose the BT ports on TT6 i have in this order..
BT UART
SERIAL CABLE ON COM 1
COM 9
IR ON COM 3
and thats it theres some missin:S any ideas??
also its just not syncin up like it used to with Wm2003 Grr

Try to assign to your receiver COM 1 or COM 9

Sometimes it is the GPS application that doesn't know how to use the external GPS management program.
Go to Settings -> Connections -> External GPS, set the two ports to "none" and uncheck the option to manage the ports automatically. Reset the device and try to choose the same port you have chosen at pairing.

I have just finished GPS tutorial for you to know
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardSettings_GPS
Let us know if it helps

kerio said:
I have just finished GPS tutorial for you to know
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardSettings_GPS
Let us know if it helps
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Wow! it works great man!! thanks kerio (and gang)!!

This is kind of bit off-topic, but since you're talking about bluetooth GPS on a Blue Angel I wanted to ask: how well does it work? As I have do not have any sense of direction at all, I've been thinking about buying a Bluetooth GPS receiver, but can a $35 GPS really be accurate and work well? Will any BT GPS receiver work? What kind of software do you use on the PDA? Thank you!

hi, set the gps hardware port (com6) in the external gps settings. set the new outgoing port in the blutooth settings (com6) and in the TT6 set the com6 in other nmea gps. it works.

Echo9 said:
This is kind of bit off-topic, but since you're talking about bluetooth GPS on a Blue Angel I wanted to ask: how well does it work? As I have do not have any sense of direction at all, I've been thinking about buying a Bluetooth GPS receiver, but can a $35 GPS really be accurate and work well? Will any BT GPS receiver work? What kind of software do you use on the PDA? Thank you!
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i have a rikalin bluetooth gps and it's working great.
Tomtom 6 and route 66 both working without any problem.
regards stef

Problem pairing XDA II with Holox BT GPS

I know I'm not the only one to have experienced this but I can't find a solution in the archive. Any help would be much appreciated.
System: O2 XDAII, Rom v1.60.00, WM2003. In other words never upgraded.
GPS receiver: Holox BT321
I'm trying to get these to pair but although the XDA sees the Holox and makes a pair I'm getting a steady light on the Holox showing no active connection between the two.
It seems to be a com port issue. The only incoming com port available through Bluetooth->Connection settings is COM5. I've downloded Pocket Bluetooth Tools and attempted to configure the connection as a Serial port, but the only port available for selection is COM7. Presumably this is why they won't pair up properly? I read things about 'creating com ports' and such like but I see no way to do that on my OS.
The GPS does not have any software with it, all that's on the cd is an installation guide. The Holox website looks extinct so no help there.
I haven't tried to put any satnav software on the XDA yet, if that makes any difference. I have TomTom 5 (a used copy so not sure if it will activate!).
Any help gratefully received! Thanks.

Oops never mind - the clue was in the GPS software, or lack of it. I've installed a freeware gps prog and the holox is blinking away happily now

Use GPSGate
Ok!,the best way ( form experience) to pair most of the GPS devices with A PDA, no matter which one with WM2003 or later is to use GPSGate software from Franson http://franson.com/gpsgate/ , this will allow you to split the hardware S.Port to more than one virtually, and starts the BT automatically ones you set it.... Have Fun