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Hi
I bought a kingston 512mb sd, but my xdaII is reporting it as a 483,55 mb size...
I already tried to format it with FAT32 but didn't solve it
any idea ?
thanks!
Memory
I ain't no IT guru but this much I know.
There's this memory mystery which has been around that I tried reading about before however after attempting to digest the article I'd rather it remained a mystery.
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It's normal Bro. Hopefully some expert will provide a proper explanation for you. In the mean time I hope you can take my word for it.
Here's a screenshot of my 512MB SD card memory.
The main reason for the difference in size is this, even though your SD is a "memory" card, your PPC treats it like a disk drive - you format it with a FAT file system.
FAT stands for File Allocation Table, meaning that there is a table stored on the media (just like on a hard drive or floppy drive) that stores the location of the files on the media so they can be located quickly and easily, since files are not stored contiguously. Think of it as an index.
The larger the media, the larger the FAT. For instance, the following are my SD cards and their FAT sizes: 128MB/8MB; 256MB/16MB; 512MB/32MB; 1GB/58MB.
HTH
argh
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How didn't remember that ? :roll:
You know, the card was so much expensive than i wanted to pay, that when i tested it, i just felt reaaaaallly mad!
(i was just thinking how much does 29mb cost!)
thanks for the replys and fast help!
Actually, there was a patch, that allowed to use the space, that is not physically taken by FAT32: FAT32 reserves 32b for each possible catalog. If your catalogs are only, for instance, 12b long - you don't need resting 20b, but it's reserved by FAT, so you can't store anything there! The bigger storage you have, the more it reserves! The patch allowes you use the spase unless it's physically taken.
I'll try to find the patch till the end of the week and post it.
PS: you can also format your card in FAT16 or even FAT8 - both will take less space!
big fat making diet
that would be great! thanks!
Oops
Oops!
So the memory mystery don't apply in this huh?
Sorry hbatista for giving wrong info.
Thanks guys for the enlightenment.
The other reason is some retailers claim 512 megabytes, however their megabyte is 1000kb whereas we are used to the idea that a megabyte is 1024kb.
Kignston explanation
Hi
Before i posted to this forum i contacted kigston and here their explanation:
"Dear Mr. Batista,
Regarding your below request:
The fact that your flashcard shows about 6% less of its capacity is quite normal and the following will try to explain why:
When formatted to a specific file system, storage devices such as the Kingston flash card SD/512 "loose" a small amount of capacity because this is used by the file system to store file system information. Operating systems (such as Windows, for instance) will format using 1K=1024 bytes rather than 1K=1000 bytes resulting in some residual loss of capacity.
SD technology comes with a security feature that enables manufacturers to add specific hardware controlled security features for their software when stored on an SD card. More information regarding this can be obtained from the SDA (Secure Digital Association) at http://www.sdcard.org. Furthermore a so-called "OS overhead" exists, where the operation system stores OS specific data on the storage device. The overhead varies between different OS.
An overall overhead of 29MB is well within limits and you will find that it will be the normal amount of overhead for the SD/512 for your OS.
You can observe the same effect for all your other storage devices, especially hard drives.
Usually the reduction of available data is in the range of 2%-7%. You can try and replace the card at your point of purchase, if you feel that the problem is related to a defect of the card rather than the above phenomenon, however it is most likely that the replacement will show the same capacity.
Regards"
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I wanted to post this and share my thoughts. I purchased both the A-Data 150x 4GB SD Card and the Transcend 150x 4GB SD Card for my Universal (specifically, an imate JasJar). Both appear to work fine on my Universal without any problems. I plugged both in straight out of the box. The one problem you MAY have is getting a card read for your PC that will read these cards. Here's one that will definately work:
SanDisk MobileMate™ SD™ Plus 5-in-1 Reader (SDDR-103)
Here's the link:
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I've been able to use the MobileMate with both cards and they appear as 4GB removeable harddrives on my computer (XP Pro w/SP2).
Hope this information is useful to some.
Where did you buy the "A-Data 150x 4GB SD Card"?
ebay.
Can you also please check if the A-Data SD card allows you to store pictures and video on it.
I bought the Transcernd 4GB about 2 months ago and I can't store pictures on it using my XDA EXEC. Thus I returned it for a refund.
Both work
I've read that people have had problems with storing picture on the SD Card. I've taken pictures and successfully stored them using BOTH cards (A-DATA and Transcend) and I've watched videos on both.
Excellent, I am going to soon purchase an SD card for my Jasjar. Knowing the 4GB works is great news.
Thanks,
I bought it two days ago from Ebay (flashman) and all is going well apart from two aspect:
1) My portable acer tr 8100 did not recognaize the card and to load files i used special software i saw in this forum
2) before i used 1gb sd and store directly photo and videos take from the phone in that card and all is went good.
Now with this new card i didn't, i have to store directly in the phone memory.
I think is a phone problem not a faulty sd.
A-Data have lifetime guarantee...
Ruppia
Re: Both work
weatheryoko said:
I've read that people have had problems with storing picture on the SD Card. I've taken pictures and successfully stored them using BOTH cards (A-DATA and Transcend) and I've watched videos on both.
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I have that problem I cannot save photos or video with my camera on the A-Data card. The error that comes up is the following:-
Unable to capture.
Not enough memory.
36009:111:0
Now the card is new and its 98% free.
What I am thinking is could it be that your version of camera.exe is different from mine. Weatheryoko can you upload your camera.exe here please.
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SiskoData said:
I have that problem I cannot save photos or video with my camera on the A-Data card. The error that comes up is the following:-
Unable to capture.
Not enough memory.
36009:111:0
Now the card is new and its 98% free.
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That sounds like a problem with the application - sounds like someone has used a signed integer instead of an unsigned integer. It has too much memory to show in to small a space and thus shows a smaller number that is actually available.... It's an app problem, not an SD card problem.
Re: Both work
darkblak said:
SiskoData said:
I have that problem I cannot save photos or video with my camera on the A-Data card. The error that comes up is the following:-
Unable to capture.
Not enough memory.
36009:111:0
Now the card is new and its 98% free.
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That sounds like a problem with the application - sounds like someone has used a signed integer instead of an unsigned integer. It has too much memory to show in to small a space and thus shows a smaller number that is actually available.... It's an app problem, not an SD card problem.
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That makes sense therefore would you say that if I fill up the card more and there is less empty space the card would work with the camera? Or maybe there are different versions of the camera.exe that would handle the extra memory?
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SiskoData said:
That makes sense therefore would you say that if I fill up the card more and there is less empty space the card would work with the camera? Or maybe there are different versions of the camera.exe that would handle the extra memory?
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Yes that sounds like it should work - although how much you need to fill up I don't know. You'd probably need between 1 and 2GB I would imagine.
cktlcmd said:
Can you also please check if the A-Data SD card allows you to store pictures and video on it.
I bought the Transcernd 4GB about 2 months ago and I can't store pictures on it using my XDA EXEC. Thus I returned it for a refund.
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I had the same problem, what you need to do is to keep the free space of your SD < 2GB!
Tommy
tommy1971 said:
cktlcmd said:
Can you also please check if the A-Data SD card allows you to store pictures and video on it.
I bought the Transcernd 4GB about 2 months ago and I can't store pictures on it using my XDA EXEC. Thus I returned it for a refund.
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I had the same problem, what you need to do is to keep the free space of your SD < 2GB!
Tommy
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Correct there as it worked. Hope they fix this bug as I was going to send the card back. Many owners of 4GB sd cards have sent it back because of this bug. Thanks to you, darkblak and this forum this is solved
tommy1971 said:
cktlcmd said:
Can you also please check if the A-Data SD card allows you to store pictures and video on it.
I bought the Transcernd 4GB about 2 months ago and I can't store pictures on it using my XDA EXEC. Thus I returned it for a refund.
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I had the same problem, what you need to do is to keep the free space of your SD < 2GB!
Tommy
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Thanks for this info. I guess the next time I buy one I'll have to remember to fill it up more than 2GB for the camera to store it to the card.
erm, not sure that is the problem. I have gotten exactly the same error before when using the 512MB card that came with the universal. I think it is to do with the speed of writting to the card, and actually, the amount of memory available to the application.
coldpenguin said:
erm, not sure that is the problem. I have gotten exactly the same error before when using the 512MB card that came with the universal. I think it is to do with the speed of writting to the card, and actually, the amount of memory available to the application.
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I had the same problem with my 512Mb card so it can't be a case of card size. Speed of card and memory avaliable might be more likely, as coldpenguin said.
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What I wanted to know is, if it is only the Camera.exe that has this problem or is there any other software that accesses the storage card that has a similar problem.
If it is only the Camera.exe are there different versions that might not have this bug?
My version of Camera.exe is Version 3.00 (Build 21244)
Based from what happened to me, I don't think it is the camera.exe file that has this problem. Why? I had problems with the 4GB Card Transcend card, but I am not having any problems with the San Disk 2 GB ULTRA. I also tried the San Disk 1 GB card (basic) and had no problems with it. Just like what is stated above, I have to agree that the bug lies in the built-in card reader.exe file.
tommy1971 said:
cktlcmd said:
Can you also please check if the A-Data SD card allows you to store pictures and video on it.
I bought the Transcernd 4GB about 2 months ago and I can't store pictures on it using my XDA EXEC. Thus I returned it for a refund.
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I had the same problem, what you need to do is to keep the free space of your SD < 2GB!
Tommy
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For your information, I'm using Transcend 4GB SD (150x). I had the problem and initially I thought it was a memory problem but then it happened even right after I reset the phone, then I tired record to local storage without problem. I tried to fill it with around 2.5GB of video and it works perfectly.
Tommy
cktlcmd said:
Based from what happened to me, I don't think it is the camera.exe file that has this problem. Why? I had problems with the 4GB Card Transcend card, but I am not having any problems with the San Disk 2 GB ULTRA. I also tried the San Disk 1 GB card (basic) and had no problems with it. Just like what is stated above, I have to agree that the bug lies in the built-in card reader.exe file.
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As stated in other posts its not just the size but even the speed that will make camera.exe not save on it. But some questions apart from the Camera not saving photos and movies on the card was the 4GB recognized by the Universal? You where able to install software on the card. Because I could do all this accept saving from the Camera.exe.
The weirdest thing happened to me today and I was wondering if anyone can help me identify the culprit.
I was listening to some music when all of a sudden the player (Nitrogen) freezed.
I opened the player again and the songs wouldnt play,
so I looked in the library only to find that there was one song left in my /Storage Device/Music folder.
I have roughly 1.5 GB of music on my 2 GB sd-card.
When I got home I put the sd-card in my cardreader and it says that there's 100 MB of free space left
but when I select all files on the card it shows up as only 300 MB.
When I open the folder it only shows one mp3 file.
When I select all files on the card it shows that it's only 300 MB.
- I tried searching for it by file names
- I've got "see hidden folders" enabled
Mind you, I do have a backup,
just wanted to see to it that it doesn't happen again.
Update: It happened for a second time now
I formatted my sd-card and while I was copying 2 mp3 files from my computer to my sd-card, (all the files were still there) a message popped up stating that it failed and I should check if the file wasn't protected
After the message popped up all of the files inside the folder were gone (including album art)
Again, there is little free space but all the folders combined equals no more than a few hundred MB.
It would be appreciated it if someone could help me out
Thanks,
Hi mo.ammi
I work for a company who sell a lot of memory cards and the returns dept see this a lot, you should get acronis disk director and reformat the card as NTFS (most come as FAT32) When the write to the card fails it is usually because FAT32 will not take as large a file for transfer due to size restrictions, NTFS does not have these restrictions.
I have seen this work in some cases, however if it does not solve the issue then i suggest you send the card back.
Hope this helps,
Creamy-Goodness
My bet would be it's a fake (not genuine) card. Such issues are pretty common with them.
creamy said:
Hi mo.ammi
I work for a company who sell a lot of memory cards and the returns dept see this a lot, you should get acronis disk director and reformat the card as NTFS (most come as FAT32) When the write to the card fails it is usually because FAT32 will not take as large a file for transfer due to size restrictions, NTFS does not have these restrictions.
I have seen this work in some cases, however if it does not solve the issue then i suggest you send the card back.
Hope this helps,
Creamy-Goodness
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Do mind that if you do this, the card can no longer be used to flash your device, as that requires FAT32. Also, I'm not completely sure about the normal compatibility with the X1, but I guess you can give it a try.
creamy said:
Hi mo.ammi
I work for a company who sell a lot of memory cards and the returns dept see this a lot, you should get acronis disk director and reformat the card as NTFS (most come as FAT32) When the write to the card fails it is usually because FAT32 will not take as large a file for transfer due to size restrictions, NTFS does not have these restrictions.
I have seen this work in some cases, however if it does not solve the issue then i suggest you send the card back.
Hope this helps,
Creamy-Goodness
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I tried your method and at the moment it seems stable.
You say it's usually because FAT32 won't accept large files (larger than 4GB if I remember).
But my largest file is an episode of American Dad (100MB)
Anyway, thanks for your help. Luckily it's just a 2GB card
Angelusz said:
Do mind that if you do this, the card can no longer be used to flash your device, as that requires FAT32. Also, I'm not completely sure about the normal compatibility with the X1, but I guess you can give it a try.
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I usually flash my device using the RomUpdateUtility.
Are there any pro's or con's using the card flash method?
submarine said:
My bet would be it's a fake (not genuine) card. Such issues are pretty common with them.
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It's a genuine Nokia MicroSD card.
It came with my device so I presume it's real.
Thanks for your help!
I had a similar problem with my sandisk 8gb card but it just stopped working altogether while i was using tomtom, i tried to format with windows and a panasonic sd-card formatting tool but it would not work.
I had to phone sandisk for a replacement yesterday but im still awaiting there reply
you should get acronis disk director and reformat the card as NTFS (most come as FAT32) When the write to the card fails it is usually because FAT32 will not take as large a file for transfer due to size restrictions, NTFS does not have these restrictions.
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i tried using acronis but it only shows my hard drives and not flash drives, would not mind a last ditch attempt to save it if you tell me how??
i had the same problem with a 8 GB card.
installed some tool to format the card under windows mobile took ages and i ran out of battery ... now the card is totaly unreadable. not even windows recoknizes it anymore.
guess its borked now
Hi Flext,
I am unsure as to why your card is not visible by the Acronis suite, have you tried looking in disk management on the OS to check if the PC can see it as attached?
As Angelusz has stated you will not be able to flash firmware with the Card after changing the format, however the Acronis suite will allow you to create a small partition of FAT32 on the same card that could be used for this purpose. I do not know if the Xperia will recognise both partitions and display that you have two seperate cards, if anyone has tested this can they please post their findings.
Regards,
Creamy-Goodness
windows recognises the card in my computer but when i try to explore or format it my computer hangs, forever, then normally displays an error message an hour later....
i originally installed acronis a while ago to create partions for backtrack 3, when i did this i dont remember any other drive except my HD's being displayed maybe its the version of acronis im using???
also my X1 does not see the card at all though, "there is no storage card installed", however when i plug the card into the phone when it is sleeping the phone wakes up???
Hi Flext,
Sorry to say this but i think you card is indeed knackered. Just buy another, they are really cheap these days (even the non faked ones) It would be easier on your own sanity to bin it and move on.
Oh and i'm using the latest version of acronis, just checked but i dont think it makes much difference as it seems to be more or less the same UI and functionality.
Kind Regards,
Creamy
got weird problem too with my sd card i have seen the number of mp3 count on media panel decrease to zero after an update to r2a
Where do you guys usually install your apps to? Are there any benefits in installing to the Storage Card vs. installing in the internal memory of the phone?
Is the phone faster if all apps are installed on the storage card?
some apps definitely would not respond well if you install it in the storage card, especially if the app needs to 'wake up' from the power standby, due to the battery saving mode for external storage.
with X1, the phone storage is plenty that it doesn't make any difference for you to install in phone storage versus external. Upon fresh hardreset, my phone would have at least 204MB after deleting away the demo videos, etc. And this is standard ROM, not custom ROM.
Tri3Dent said:
Where do you guys usually install your apps to? Are there any benefits in installing to the Storage Card vs. installing in the internal memory of the phone?
Is the phone faster if all apps are installed on the storage card?
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The truth is that it is "horses for courses"
If you regard the device as a phone with a bit of residual computer capability, then 300Mb of Storage will last a lifetime
If you regard it as a computer with a phone segment attached, then use the SD card for everything you can. The tnyynt SD tweak for speeding card access is brilliant to the point where I am unable to tell the practical difference between Storage and card use.
I use mine as a work computer with a phone attached. My 16Gb card is already 55% full (ie. just under 9Gb of data and programs) - this cannot fit in Storage.
man what kind of programs and data that you have that takes over 8 gigs on your phone.
music and videos i can understand, programs and data???? i got a 4 gig card and the only program that i have that takes up 1 gig is the maps for tomtom 7.910
hopefully the 32 gig card will be compatable with the x1 in the near future.
c_legaspi said:
man what kind of programs and data that you have that takes over 8 gigs on your phone.
music and videos i can understand, programs and data???? i got a 4 gig card and the only program that i have that takes up 1 gig is the maps for tomtom 7.910
hopefully the 32 gig card will be compatable with the x1 in the near future.
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OK, well 1) as I said, my device is used as a computer with a phone segment attached, so having >8Gb "on my phone" is not really accurate. I have >8Gb on my card (ie. HDD) and growing
2) Music and video ?? None of them, I use hifi and TV for those when I'm home
3) I use the device for geological/geotechnical mapping on a world-wide basis, together with CAD/3D modeling of collected and supplied data. So high-level topo data, drillhole data, outcrop data, survey data, engineering constraints, zillions of reference reports etc etc + the slew of large programs needed to run these data collections
So for me, smaller, faster ROM = better and better
4) you bet I'm hanging out for the 32Gb cards
problem with having too little phone storage is some program use storage as temp
currently i have about 40gb storage free but still
the comic book reader crash often because the .net program in question
unzip the whole comic to some temp dir in phone storage
when it operates and apparently the comic use more then 40gb
would be easy for the programmer to fix so it didn't unzip all or did it to
the sd card but..
I put pretty much all programs that can be installed onto the card on the card... I also have shedloads of files on there mainly for language learning (I am learning Chinese and also have some Russian stuff)... from 16gb I am down to 7.7 and thats only cos I deleted a few tv shows from China...
PS I am reposting this due to the deletion bug thing... I did have a longer post but cant remeber all my witty reply...
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I just noticed the SD card came preloaded with 7Gbs of stuff inside.. But.. What stuff? I removed everything that I had on the SD and it said it had 7Gb still been used.
I notice that the stock card was only showing half the capacity as well, without any actual files being on it. I would suggest just reformatting the card.
No big deal for me since I'm using a 32GB card but I did notice the size discrepancy.
full 16 gigs here. well, accually 14.7
austin420 said:
full 16 gigs here. well, accually 14.7
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Same for me. What size is the card showing when you put it in a pc directly?
Gipionocheiyort said:
Same for me. What size is the card showing when you put it in a pc directly?
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14.7. And it had around 7.10 used.
The 16GB card shows only 14.7GB because the other 1.3GB is used by the file system/structure when the card is formated. Without the file sytem created on the card, it would be useless as the device would not know where to look for the files you store on the memory card. On a 32GB card the file system created should technicaly be double of the 16GB. My 8GB memory card only shows like 7.4GB after a format if I remember correctly. Hope I answered some questions.
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The 16GB card shows only 14.7GB because the other 1.3GB is used by the file system/structure when the card is formated. Without the file sytem created on the card, it would be useless as the device would not know where to look for the files you store on the memory card. On a 32GB card the file system created should technicaly be double of the 16GB. My 8GB memory card only shows like 7.4GB after a format if I remember correctly. Hope I answered some questions.
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Not really, I think we all know this. I said the memory stick came preloaded with 7Gb of extra stuff.
Mine has over 14GB of free space 16GB card the Epic comes with. Left it as it came in the box and didn't format it. The only things I added to it myself (outside of the stuff the phone's apps adds) were the pictures from my old phone and the rooting/recovery stuff downloaded here.
wait so do you have 7,9 or 14 gigs of space left? Cause i had 14
There's some 14.xGBs of free'd up space on the sd card when you buy it, at least on mine and most people I've talked to, so I don't know what's up with yours coming loaded with 7GBs this mystery data.
I have 14 gigs of free space on my card too.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA App
Mine didn't come with anything preloaded. 14.7GB free from the getgo. Have you tried just formatting it completely?
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The 16GB card shows only 14.7GB because the other 1.3GB is used by the file system/structure when the card is formated. Without the file sytem created on the card, it would be useless as the device would not know where to look for the files you store on the memory card. On a 32GB card the file system created should technicaly be double of the 16GB. My 8GB memory card only shows like 7.4GB after a format if I remember correctly. Hope I answered some questions.
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um... no...
this is caused by manufacturers marketing vs how computers count bytes.
1 kb = 1024 bytes
1 mb = 1024 x 1024 = 1,048,579 bytes
1 gb = 1024 x 1024 x 1024 = 1,073,741,824 bytes
manufactures market 1 gb = 1,000,000,000 bytes
it would take 17,179,869,184 bytes to be a full 16gb
manufactures only put 16,000,000,000 bytes on a card
((16,000,000,000 / 1024) / 1024) / 1024 = 14.9011612 gb
I remember reading that the prerelease versions of the Epic (like mine) would have the full version of Asphalt 5, and the versions for the public would have the demo only. I had about 7GB full on my card, figured it was a glitch, and formatted. Now I've finally gotten around to downloading Asphalt and it's the demo. Good thing I hate racing games, but still...