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3G

OK, I'm pretty sure I already know the answer, ie. "No", but I know so little about it I thought I'd ask.
is the XDAII compatable with the 3G networks beign rolled out? Here in NZ we're going 3G in the next couple of months, I assume GPRS etc. is all still supported, but I know if I buy a new device I'd like it to work with the highspeed network.

no xda2 is not a 3g phone

3g do you want a fry'd brain with that ?
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=3534786

3G in Australia/NZ is the "3" network from Hutchison which is basically UMTS so not compatible with the XDA which is GSM/GPRS
I noticed some people on eBay selling XDAs saying that they are 3G compatible but the smallprint read" on the 2G network" or something similar ie their fallback GSM network.
Cheers
Steve

if we are LUCKEY!
then maybe with software upgrades the xda
could be able to use
Edge also called G2,8
because it's based on G2 (GSM)
in maybe it dont need a new transmitter

EDGE is a new transmitter
UMTS (3G) is a new system even! So, forget the software thing.

3g problems

Hi. Newbie in this forum. Bought an htc tytn from u.s. but am from Phil using smart carrier with gsm band at 1800. after going thru sev topics, properly identified device as Herm200 rom:1.18.255.3 07/22/06 extrom:1.18.255.106 radio1.03.03.10 protocol32.34.7010.01H.
All phone features working perfectly except for 3G. Smart carrier people cannot help. What could be wrong. Vendor says 3g works on 2100 band. Confusing statement. What can be done? Connects to umts but when video call is pressed will not connect.

Which carrier are you on again? Smart Carrier? .. From what I know no carriers in the US support video calling .. Also, Cingular is the only GSM carrier in the US with 3G which runs on the 1900Mhz band ..
also .. what does your phone display while connected "G" or "U" ... what are your phone band settings .. can you also goto dslreports.com/mspeed and see what speeds are you getting ..

According to GSM world SMART (a Philippine operator) uses UMTS 2100, which your TyTN does definitely support.
Have you checked if your SIM card is 3G-enabled? Most 3G networks require special USIMs for 3G usage.
I just learned, that Cingular uses UMTS 850 and 1900 to be exact. According to the American HTC website the Cingular 8525 supports "Tri-band UMTS/HSDPA high speed wireless data network support (2100MHz and 850/1900 MHz), Quad-band GSM®/GPRS/EDGE worldphone".
Does anyone know if there is a special hardware version, that supports UMTS850 & 1900 or will my European TyTN work on those networks, too?

TyTN is tri-band UMTS .. 850/1900/2100 .. so it should work on these networks without any issues ...
And my bad .. didnt realize that you are trying to use the TyTN in Phillipines ..

You should also check, if the called party has a 3G signal, while you call him. Further make sure video calls are activated by your network operator.

3g problems in the philippines
Everything you guys mentioned in order(am in a 3g area calling a 3g enabled party with a 3g sim card). Even the tech staff behind Smart Communications cannot make it work. Displays U and u. But video call cannot push thru even if pic on front camera shows. There is 1 thin line( or command?) stopping it from connecting. My last option is to borrow my friend's unit and see if her unit's 3g works here then it's my device that's a problem. Thnks for the input. Keep it coming.
Herm200 qwerty rom:1.18.255.3
07/22/06
extrom:1.18.255.106
radio1.03.03.10
protocol32.34.7010.01H.

Hi. I don't know how they did it but Smart Communications did it! Apparently and ironically their 3g sim card is not compatible with the htc tytn but their regular sim is. Thanks all.

are u using 3G now in Phil ?
Is there a Globe perpaid 3G simcard ?

3g problems no more
Hi everyone. After my first thread i have finally got everything on my tytn working: 3g, mms, internet, phone. The problem was on the settings. Smart and Globe, the primary carriers in the Philippines can both work on the phone if the settings are right.

sectorlord,
yes there is 3g and hsdpa along with gsm and gprs and wap in the philippines. and yes you can buy globe prepaid 3g sim card.

glad to hear you've got your problems solved jjc!

8525 no Utms or Edge?

Im in New york city, when im in manhatten i get the U for my data connection. But when i get back to brooklyn it goes back to the G. From what i understand the 3g network didnt reach brooklyn as yet (even though its over the river) But my real concern is the G. I was reading the getting started guide and there is a E for edge. but im not even getting the E. I know there is edge because i had the 8125 and edge worked fine. Is there some sort of settings i have to input to have it default back to edge instead of regular gprs?

rzanology said:
Im in New york city, when im in manhatten i get the U for my data connection. But when i get back to brooklyn it goes back to the G. From what i understand the 3g network didnt reach brooklyn as yet (even though its over the river) But my real concern is the G. I was reading the getting started guide and there is a E for edge. but im not even getting the E. I know there is edge because i had the 8125 and edge worked fine. Is there some sort of settings i have to input to have it default back to edge instead of regular gprs?
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They way that the 8525 is set up is that there is only 2 icons U for UMTS and HSPDA and G for GPRS and EDGE. As far as I know from selling Cingular there are very few areas left that use GPRS.

The guide's wrong ... Cingular messed it up .. there's on U and G on the TyTN / 8525 ...
- U for UMTS
- G for GSM/GPRS/Edge ..
Some are folks on HoFo thought the same .. but check out your speeds using dslreports.com/mspeed ..

its saying 171 kbit/sec. i guess the edge is working right?

171 KBit/s is definitely EDGE.
The TyTN supports GPRS class 10, which means the maximum downlink bandwith with GPRS amounts to 48 KBit/s (4+1 scheme).

im able to grab U settings.. but only 2 bars
I'm about to give cingular customer service a call and *****.. maybe i can get some credit

yp .. 171 is Edge ...
GPRS is only 50kbps or so .. and 3G 500Kbps and above ..

Yze said:
im able to grab U settings.. but only 2 bars
I'm about to give cingular customer service a call and *****.. maybe i can get some credit
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According to the network engineers the 2 bars on UMTS is normal. I called the one in our area because when it was first turned on I had 4 with UMTS and then it has dropped to a steady 2 bars UMTS.

gravejoker said:
The guide's wrong ... Cingular messed it up .. there's on U and G on the TyTN / 8525 ...
- U for UMTS
- G for GSM/GPRS/Edge ..
Some are folks on HoFo thought the same .. but check out your speeds using dslreports.com/mspeed ..
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UMTS is 3G? What is UMTS vs GPRS and Edge?

DeniaL said:
UMTS is 3G? What is UMTS vs GPRS and Edge?
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UMTS is 3G, acutally it's the first official 3G standard, as FOMA's standard was a rather proprietary development.
EDGE is 2.75G and GPRS 2.5G.
Have a look at this table, I found at Wikipedia:
2G
GSM
iDEN
D-AMPS
IS-95/cdmaOne
PDC
CSD
PHS
2.5G
GPRS
HSCSD
WiDEN
2.75G
CDMA2000 1xRTT/IS-2000
EDGE (EGPRS)
3G
W-CDMA
UMTS (3GSM)
FOMA
TD-CDMA/UMTS-TDD
1xEV-DO/IS-856
TD-SCDMA
GAN/UMA
3.5G
HSDPA
3.75G
HSUPA
HSOPA
4G
Frequency bands
SMR
Cellular
PCS

IN LAYMAN LANGUAGE:
UMTS is the first 3G standard, based on WCDMA technology ... you need additional device hardware for it and it's upto 300kbps .. HSDPA (High-Speed Downlink Packet Access) is a software upgrade to UMTS increasing it's speed to 1.8Mbps and above theoratically upto 20Mbps (I think) ... anything above that like HSUPA is not commercially implemented .. atleast in the US.
Cingular's running UMTS/HSDPA right now for it's 3G network .. with speeds ranging from 400-700 kbps (officially) and 1Mbps (un-officially)

do i need software to have my hsdpa work when i have utms service? or will it work by itself?

It's provided by the carrier or your device manufacturer ... very low-level ROM stuff ..

Check out http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Utils ("SetHSPA") for information, howto enable HSDPA.

Most of 8525s/TyTNs are now shipping with HSDPA enabled already .. that utility was supposed to enable HSDPA on some very early ver TyTNs. ..
Also, your carrier should support HSDPA ...

3G problems

is anyone running the IOLITE phone on TMOBILE US with a 3G connection?

well, better now than never...here is the answer:
nobody is running 3g on iolite with t'mo...
3g freq on iolite is 2100 mhz, and that is a hardware spec that cannot be changed with softwares updates...
im in Chile and have the same problem...here i can't use 3G network...only EDGE.
sad but true...

Here in Spain, the 3G connection is well, is fast! (with Orange)
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Regards!

kenslaters said:
well, better now than never...here is the answer:
nobody is running 3g on iolite with t'mo...
3g freq on iolite is 2100 mhz, and that is a hardware spec that cannot be changed with softwares updates...
im in Chile and have the same problem...here i can't use 3G network...only EDGE.
sad but true...
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I'm also have unlocked Iolite and according to spec it have following:
GSM 850, GSM 900, GSM 1800, GSM 1900, UMTS 900, UMTS 2100
CSD, GPRS, EDGE, HSDPA, HSUPA, UMTS/WCDMA, GPS
So I think it should work with 3G network.
I preordered 3G network package from my ISP (Orange, IL) and configure it properly, according to ISP instruction... but whenever I enable Data Connection it always show "G" letter on top bar.
On Iolite support site I read following:
You will see these icons on the title bar when your device is connected to the Internet. G means connected via GPRS. E means connected via EDGE. 3G means connected via 3G. H means connected via 3.5G.
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Somebody know another way how to check with network I connected GPRS or 3G?

igor7: If you are connected to 3G network, your carrier name usually has 3G in name. For example 3G Vodafone instead of Vodafone. You should also check, which frequency is used for 3G in your country. If it is not 900 or 2100 MHz, you can't use Iolite for 3G.
EDIT: It is 2100 MHz in Israel. So next step is to check, if you are within 3G network coverage

torrentonly: The problem was in my sim card... It ~ 10 years old. I received it with my first mobile phone. Therefore it doesn't know nothing better than GPRS . Previously I didn't use internet on Iolite, so I didn't pay attention on this issue. Now, after I upgraded Iolite to WM6.5 and install WAZE navigation software (it use internet connection and preloaded drivers alert, traffic info e.t.c.) I noticed that my connection to slow...

Network Type/Band Freq

Can somebody please explain GSM vs WCDMA vs UMTS for the bands?
My impression is GSM is 2G and UMTS is 3G and both can supply regular phone service? What's WCDMA then?
T-mobile USA is GSM 850/1900 and what else?
I was thinking if I specify what network and band to use it'll use less batter (ie. no 3g unless I really need it).

this is a really easy google search... or just go to wikipedia....really any search you would try will answer your question.
(you're half right, but mostly wrong)...here's some links for you
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wcdma+wiki&l=1
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gsm+wiki

Well I did google already, but still is over my head when I look at the band settings in the TMO HD2.
If WCDMA = UMTS why is there a separate GSM/WCDMA network selection, both allowing bands in GSM and UMTS.
Sounds like GSM is older tech, meaning 2g, whereas 3g is the newer GSM, which is UMTS, which = WCDMA. Therefore, how can you choose UMTS band frequencies on a old GSM network?
Perhaps I'm not phrasing my question correctly. I'm asking these because of the phone settings. I'm trying to figure out if it's more efficient to just tell the phone to look for specific network/band for TMOUSA thereby saving time and battery.

is this just too simple of a question or not many people understand. anyone?

ok, instead of giving you a bunch of info, let me give you just what I think you need.
I'm guessing you're going to Settings>Wireless Controls> Phone>Band and that's where the confusion is coming from. This screen is wrong and the Bands listed there are wrong (they're from previous devices, and htc didn't bother to update that screen).
So, you have 3 main choices there that should be of interest to you as long as you're in the US on Tmobile's network: Auto, WCDMA, GSM (under Network Type).
Auto: switches automatically between GPRS/EDGE/3G (HSDPA, HSPDA+)
WCDMA: 3G (HSDPA, HSPDA+)
GSM: EDGE/GPRS
The only way that playing with the band frequencies could help you would be if you're just interested in Edge/GPRS since tmobile uses two different frequencies there (native 1900 and 850 roaming). For 3g however, Tmobile uses only (and concurrently....as in you need to use both to get 3g and not just one or the other) 1700/2100 frequency.
Long story short, if you're trying to keep the phone from switching between 3g and Edge and you're in an area that has constant 3g, set it to WCDMA. (but note that if you loose 3g but are in an area with Edge, it will not switch to Edge, it will just be 0 bars/reception).

thanks alot, that really clears it up. I don't have data connection besides mms so I figure I may set it to no 3g and save some battery.