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as title, is it possible?
the Magician use a standard USB plug, can any expert write a software to emulate the "Storage Card" / Internal Memory act as a "USB Mass Storage"
Thanks.
Re: Is it possible to make Magician as a "USB Mass Stor
yhlee said:
as title, is it possible?
the Magician use a standard USB plug, can any expert write a software to emulate the "Storage Card" / Internal Memory act as a "USB Mass Storage"
Thanks.
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You mean: Use an external hard drive so you can have 100GB storage for the magician?
No,
He means just like acting like a usb-stick or something
Sipdawg said:
No,
He means just like acting like a usb-stick or something
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Ah I see.
So usingthe magician as a mobile storage device for PCs.
Well, this is one for the future
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000683026343/
These are already out
http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductsList.asp?Name=BAY-CR-SD-MMC
http://www.directshopper.de/image/zoom/san/sandisk-cruzer-128-mb-sd-card-sdcz1-128-.jpg
Not what you asked for but close.
Re: Is it possible to make Magician as a "USB Mass Stor
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yhlee said:
as title, is it possible?
the Magician use a standard USB plug, can any expert write a software to emulate the "Storage Card" / Internal Memory act as a "USB Mass Storage"
Thanks.
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You mean: Use an external hard drive so you can have 100GB storage for the magician?
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Uhh is that possible then? I have a Xclef HD 20 Gb Mp3 player, self powered. Is it possible that the MDA compact can connect with that drive. I think you need USB host functionality, does the MDA support that?
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TeKnoID said:
Uhh is that possible then? I have a Xclef HD 20 Gb Mp3 player, self powered. Is it possible that the MDA compact can connect with that drive. I think you need USB host functionality, does the MDA support that?
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Well, the MDA has a SD card slot.
If someone made a connector that connects frm SD to USB or to your hard drive and did all the right programming, maybe it would work.
Isn't it possible to just connect directly from the mini-usb connector at my HD MP3 player to the mini-usb connector at the MDA compact? Then I only have to find that kind of cable....
TeKnoID said:
Isn't it possible to just connect directly from the mini-usb connector at my HD MP3 player to the mini-usb connector at the MDA compact? Then I only have to find that kind of cable....
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I don't know.
When you try it, we will all know.
Yes, I mean act as a USB thumb drive.
And I don't think the Magician can connect to a USB hard drive as
it drawn many power from the unit.
Re: Is it possible to make Magician as a "USB Mass Stor
TeKnoID said:
Uhh is that possible then? I have a Xclef HD 20 Gb Mp3 player, self powered. Is it possible that the MDA compact can connect with that drive. I think you need USB host functionality, does the MDA support that?
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As you can see this device is self powered and thus will not get the power from the MDA.
Does anyone knows if the MDA Compact supports USB-host?
thanks
Nope doesn't support USb Host (USBotg).
M.
It would be good if you can just use the SDIO slot or USB connector to use a portable USD HDD. Imagine the storage....
Any such products out there?
Read this
http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115140
Sorry to ask a stupid question, but how do you physically connect a USB device (e.g external USB hard disk)...you need a converter to convert from USB to whatever your device has right? (e.g mini-usb for i-mate jam, or the proprietory connector for XDA2 etc?
Cheers,
Jez.
Jez said:
Sorry to ask a stupid question, but how do you physically connect a USB device (e.g external USB hard disk)...you need a converter to convert from USB to whatever your device has right? (e.g mini-usb for i-mate jam, or the proprietory connector for XDA2 etc?
Cheers,
Jez.
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Yes.
I'd expect someone to make something that plugs into the SD card slot on one end and plug into USB on the other.
However, your mini USB to USB sugestion makes more sense.
Anonymous said:
Jez said:
Sorry to ask a stupid question, but how do you physically connect a USB device (e.g external USB hard disk)...you need a converter to convert from USB to whatever your device has right? (e.g mini-usb for i-mate jam, or the proprietory connector for XDA2 etc?
Cheers,
Jez.
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Yes.
I'd expect someone to make something that plugs into the SD card slot on one end and plug into USB on the other.
However, your mini USB to USB sugestion makes more sense.
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Oi!!
That was me and I WAS logged in! :shock:
After looking around im going to use another idea. Im buying the Asus wireless hard drive (size of a laptop hard drive), which I will leave in my car. I can then stream mp3's over the airwaves to my pda whether im in the car, or in the office 50 metres away! Cool heh!
You can change the hard drive in the asus wireless case (its just a standard laptop hard drive), so put whatever size you want in (ive ordered 80gig drive)
Jez said:
After looking around im going to use another idea. Im buying the Asus wireless hard drive (size of a laptop hard drive), which I will leave in my car. I can then stream mp3's over the airwaves to my pda whether im in the car, or in the office 50 metres away! Cool heh!
You can change the hard drive in the asus wireless case (its just a standard laptop hard drive), so put whatever size you want in (ive ordered 80gig drive)
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Is that wifi or bluetooth?
Are you sure it will work?
Ok,
I was reading a post over at the PSP Linux forum about suspicions that the PSP has USB On-The-Go abilities. USB On-The-Go basically means a device can be a USB Host or a USB Client, and is usually restricted to a a certain class of USB devices - eg you might want a USB OTG camera to only act as a host with Storage Devices.
Now to quote this page http://www.beyondlogic.org/usb/otghost.htm ...
As a device can be either a host (A-device) or peripheral (B-device) and that the USB specification calls for different types of connectors for upstream and downstream ports, the OTG spec introduced two additional connectors. One such connector is a mini A/B connector allowing a mini A or mini B connector to plug into the one recepticle. A dual-role device is required to be able to detect whether a Mini-A or Mini-B plug is inserted by determining if the ID pin (an extra pin introduced by OTG) is connected to ground.
This basically says that tradictional USB uses A connectors for Hosts and B connectors for Clients. Because they needed to allow OTG devices to be used as both a Host and a Client, they designed a port that could accept both mini A and mini B connectors. Unsuprisingly, this is called a mini AB connector
So, for small USB Client devices, a mini B connector is used. They look like this:
http://www.cypressindustries.com/products/images/ccmusbb-32005-201.gif
For small USB OTG devices, the new miniAB port is used. They look like this:
http://www.cypressindustries.com/products/images/ccmusbab-32005-700.gif
so go look on the bottom of the Magician. Low and behold, a mini AB connector! In fact you'll see the cable they gave you with your magician is a mini B but it still fits into the mini AB connector on the jam, even though it's a slightly different shape.
Now, it could be USB Host was planned or the port was added to allow backwards compatability with the Magician2 or whatever, but all the same it's a pretty interesting feature, given that a company can probably source mini B connectors for cheaper than mini AB, (as not many companies are making them yet).
So... does the Jam have USB host functionality or not???
If so, here's some drivers to take advantage of this function. Use at your own risk.
http://www.deje.gmxhome.de/
http://www.anypakusa.com/PPC/
Maybe one could connect the jam to a hard drive???
I've did some research, and if the Magician supports USB On The Go (why else would there be a MiniAB connector on the bottom of the device in stead of a normal MiniB (4p) connector) it should be able to play USB Host.
I'm ordering a MiniA to A Female connector and I'm hoping it will work out so I can connect a USB Flashdrive, GPS reciever etc.etc.
Why do people need USB host on their Magician? I can only imagine using an USB keyboard, but everything else I can do with bluetooth and my 4 GB MMC card.
And for using my Magician as "USB-Brick" I use this here:
http://www.softick.com/pocket-pc/cardexport2/
Well... I don't like wireless That's the most important reason.
I want to use a wired GPS-reciever in my car.
I want to be able to connect a USB mass storage driver.
And I'm a geek who just wants to explore every possible option
So why shouldn't I give it a try
esackbauer said:
Why do people need USB host on their Magician? I can only imagine using an USB keyboard, but everything else I can do with bluetooth and my 4 GB MMC card.
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Well, I think most of the people are interested on the fact that you can actually use an ext hdd, e.g. you have 80GB+ of videos, mp3s that you play on your unit (although I doubt it is able to power the 2.5" type). You can print documents from your unit to a printer, get your pictures off your dig camera, use a USB ext wifi, etc.
hanmin said:
Well, I think most of the people are interested on the fact that you can actually use an ext hdd, e.g. you have 80GB+ of videos, mp3s that you play on your unit (although I doubt it is able to power the 2.5" type). You can print documents from your unit to a printer, get your pictures off your dig camera, use a USB ext wifi, etc.
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Excuse me for being a pain, but all these options are nonsense IMO, because Magician is the ultra portable device.
What is the sense of attaching a bulky 80GB hdd and cables to the Magician? To have its batteries empty in only 15 minutes?
Printing can be done wireless via infrared (HP printers) or WLAN, digicam pictures I can load by directly inserting its card in Magician. USB Wifi is also a joke as it drains the battery immediately.
If you want all these options, do it right and buy a Subnotebook and a 3G UMTS PC-Card.
esackbauer said:
Excuse me for being a pain, but all these options are nonsense IMO, because Magician is the ultra portable device.
What is the sense of attaching a bulky 80GB hdd and cables to the Magician? To have its batteries empty in only 15 minutes?
Printing can be done wireless via infrared (HP printers) or WLAN, digicam pictures I can load by directly inserting its card in Magician. USB Wifi is also a joke as it drains the battery immediately.
If you want all these options, do it right and buy a Subnotebook and a 3G UMTS PC-Card.
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ditto
I really doubt it supports USB Host. The board definately supports it, but HTC don't implement it. I think this will yield no results....
Hope you prove me wrong
And dude...... 1.8" Hard Disk Drives are TINY!!! so just quit being a spoil sport
Of course I wouldn't be connecting an periperal eventhough how small it is while walking around, but while at home or in the car sounds ok.
Well USB OTG would be great as I could dump all of my pictures on my digital camera (1GB card) onto my Charmers 4GB SD card. On holiday and stuff this would be really handy so I don't run out of space.
to be honest its not about what you can do with it, its partly bragging rights, hey look i can do so and so on my phone.... etc..
I, for one, would like to see a USB host hack.
Yes, there are SDIO wifis.
Yes, there are SDIO cards that allow wall projector connection.
But these require that I give up my memory card, where I store my stuff, making these things have only limited use.*
I could use Bluetooth, but:
- A standalone BT <-> Wifi bridge that isn't a PC or doesn't connect to a PC does not yet exist. There is a Bluetooth portable GPS receiver, but that's it.
- Projectors with BT enabled are FREAKING EXPENSIVE. Not to mention they aren't common. I've always wondered what that stray miniusb port on the more common small business models are for...
So why not buy a laptop, you ask?
Well, I already have a PC.
If you're suggesting I buy one, either you have never carried one around before, or you're so rich you can buy the lightest, least bulky ones without burning a hole in your pocket.
*That Sandisk 256/Wifi can't quite contain everything I'd want on my 1gig, leaving my only recourse to be (hopefully) the Eye-Film which is currently only in prototype stage. Sandisk already EOL'd that product anyway.
There are only 2 possibilities to get USB Host:
1. Wait for the WM2005 ROM for Magician, maybe HTC implemented the USB Host driver with it ;-)
2. Wait for HTC Trinity, maybe it has USB Host.
However, both options are not very realistic, because a WLAN USB Stick pulls 500 mA from the battery, so you get about 30 minutes battery life...
An USB Host has to provide power to the connected devices, and this is the reason why we probably won't ever see it on a mass market device.
You think you connect any USB device on that Host and it works? Like printers, scanners etc? Sorry, but you're dreaming. You need drivers for this and they just don't exist. There are no USB GPS mice that work with Pocket PCs and there are no Wifi sticks that work with Pocket PCs, period.
The only thing you could do is connect some mass storage device and use this. Besides that I'm 100% sure that the Magician doesn't support USB Host functionality, period.
So get a new PPC with Wifi and use Wifi disks etc. USB host would be nice but no Phone Edition device that I know of has it.
It would be SOOOOOO nice to connect a harddisk to my magician. A 4GB SD Card cannot store all my MP3s. And I want them all in my Car.
Dandie said:
So get a new PPC with Wifi and use Wifi disks etc. USB host would be nice but no Phone Edition device that I know of has it.
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Actually, Eten M500 supports it.
You need drivers for this and they just don't exist
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Certain drivers do exist; like the JetCet unofficial ones. You'd also need to load drivers for SD-IO cards as well (IIRC the Sandisk Wifi/Mem combo needed a driver), so drivers are actually a non-issue. What matters is that it can be done.
jackleung said:
Actually, Eten M500 supports it.
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Magician also supports USB host, because
your BT is attached there. So what? It is the 500mA
current source and the electrical connection to
the USB socket that counts.
Currents not a problem i should think. All USB devices are standard 0.5A supply.. and all USB devices use the same supply.
Anyone got a wm5/ce5 usb host driver for htc universal (pxa270 intel arm processor)? I'm trying to write one, but if someone could save me the effort, please do? I know it will work, as it does under linux.
USB Host on a universal will be great. Didn't know it works under Linux.
driver for view a universal as a sd writer and reader or a driver for the universal for attach a pendrive to a universal?
drivers for attaching a pendrive.
A USB host driver enables you to hook up USB devices like memory key, keyboard/mouse etc. to the universal. This feature is only available on a few pda models made by toshiba, fujitsu, asus, acer etc.
imesh said:
driver for view a universal as a sd writer and reader or a driver for the universal for attach a pendrive to a universal?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't it have to be supported by the hardware? As far as I know the Universal does not have USB host so getting a driver wouldn't be much help...
apparently it works under linux so the hardware must support it
Good question. I need the host driver and then a driver for mass storage (e.g. pen drive, hard driver, etc), HID (for keyboard mouse), etc. The htc universal has a usb host controller built into the arm processor (pxa270). The problem is that it also has a usb device controller build in which takes precedent for the mini usb out, so you can use activesyn. However, with the right bit of code you can reconfigure port 2 to act as a usb host. The other problem is that port 2 doesn't have any power (but that is easy to fix with an external power source from a usb hub or battery [I use a single AA battery, (giving 5 volts at 0.5-1 amp), that lasts for 2 hours]).
hi any success yet with the usb host function? is it possible or just a hoax?
nothing personal it just seems that some ppl like to make fun about this topic and spread hoax!
u have any evidences that it works under linux?
maybe this link is helping you in creating a driver!
http://www.deje.gmxhome.de/index.html
cheers
Mike
Suspect that you will also need the proper USB host cable that is used on the Sharp Zaurus under LINUX to let the Universal know that you want the USB port to work in host mode, they are about £10 & available from here http://www.figlabs.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/33
I have the Zaurus & Universal so I know the cable fits but I don't have a driver to test.
Mike
Mikew said:
I have the Zaurus & Universal so I know the cable fits but I don't have a driver to test.
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The USB host is used by Linux on HTC phones, but not for the external USB connector
(BT on magician, and gsm_data on some others http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Serial)
Mikew said:
Suspect that you will also need the proper USB host cable that is used on the Sharp Zaurus under LINUX to let the Universal know that you want the USB port to work in host mode, they are about £10 & available from here http://www.figlabs.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/33
I have the Zaurus & Universal so I know the cable fits but I don't have a driver to test.
Mike
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I have one for wm2003, I not if it worked in wm05.
Yuo can try it?
any success yet??
Dont think I would want to try a WM2003 driver on a WM5 device.
Mike
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Dont think I would want to try a WM2003 driver on a WM5 device.
Mike
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You can do one backup before installing it.
I have installed it in my Universal and I have not had problems with wm5, but it has not worked with my standar cable
I've had no success with it either.. I have a cable that has the correct connectors.. originally used for connecting a usb pen drive to my lcd picture frame.. but like I said no luck with this RATOC driver.
Mikew said:
Suspect that you will also need the proper USB host cable that is used on the Sharp Zaurus under LINUX to let the Universal know that you want the USB port to work in host mode, they are about £10 & available from here http://www.figlabs.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/33
I have the Zaurus & Universal so I know the cable fits but I don't have a driver to test.
Mike
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i think that this cable is not enough, what about a 5v power source for the usb pen drive you'd connect?
your universal couldn't supply that, then you need a usb cable that can connect to a power source aswell.
You need to use a powered USB hub if the slave device requires power, there are one or two hubs that run on batteries so you can still be mobile.
You will need a hub if you plan to use more than 1 USB device at the same time.
Mike
allmycrud said:
Anyone got a wm5/ce5 usb host driver for htc universal (pxa270 intel arm processor)? I'm trying to write one, but if someone could save me the effort, please do? I know it will work, as it does under linux.
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I didn't know we had it in Linux yet??
In any case, while many devices do use a USB Host or USB Slave chip from a higher level, I believe the Universal talks to its USB as a raw stream device, and therefore can (and does, on occasion) act as a pure Serial communication channel (no discernable protocol beyond 8,n,1) or, therefore, any other type of serial-based channel. Yes, what I am saying is that you could, in fact, hook up a Serial ATA hard disk to an RS232 or USB port directly, so long as the device with the port has low enough level access to the port to absolutely control the data I/O.
The problem you face, however, is that to use the USB port as if the device were the host, you would first need to remove or disable whatever makes it work as the slave. In Windows Mobile that's really not an easy job given the number of different devices and different drivers, some with USB chips, some without... On many devices I can imagine that doing that alone would really bugger up general operation. What happens, for example, to ActiveSync when you suddenly get rid of the port it usually talks to for sync?
Mikew said:
You need to use a powered USB hub if the slave device requires power, there are one or two hubs that run on batteries so you can still be mobile.
You will need a hub if you plan to use more than 1 USB device at the same time.
Mike
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Some USB devices have batteries, or have their own power supply You can also get USB cables with an extra (mains or battery) feed wired to the USB's power lines in parallel.
whatever happened to this thread?
allmycrud have you seen the thread from Zeno with USB host drivers?
there is at least one report of it working on a Universal, but I can't get it working on wm6.1... still have hopes though, as all reports suggest that USB host is possible on a uni... can never get verification from anyone though...
Hello,
I use Jungo's WinDriver USB to allow my software to communicate with various digital cameras. It works on every USB host equipped Pocket PC except the X7500, any ideas as to what HTC has done differently with this model? I`ve tested under both the standard WM5 ROM and the 2.19 WM6 ROM with the same results. The driver detects the first attach and detach, but not the subsequent ones. Any ideas would be much appreciated before I FedEx my poor X7500 half way around to world to Jungo..
do you have the 4in1 cable? That has a host mode usb port on it!
No need for funny software. The port on the side (miniusb) is not host, but the one on the 4in1 cable is I beleive.
Kick me anyone if im talking out my bumcrack.
I have the 4 in one cable WinDriver is an SDK that allows user mode software to talk to USB devices without writing full device drivers. In my case, it allows me to develop drivers for Canon and Nikon cameras that Windows CE does not otherwise support.
Please excuse my ignorance here, but does this mean i could plug a external hard drive in and read/write to it?
Thanks in advance
The pilgrim
Yes, I have plugged in USB thumb drives and they are recognized. Power drain is the issue with external USB drives. If you have one with external power input, it should work. I may be testing this shortly. I will repost once I have some deffinitive results.
the_pilgrim said:
Please excuse my ignorance here, but does this mean i could plug a external hard drive in and read/write to it?
Thanks in advance
The pilgrim
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Not all. Some will work, some will experience compatibility issues, and some will have problems due to power consumption. The best way to find out is test it with the host cable attached and see. If the device doesn't initially work try a few things first....try plugging it in to a power source if it's capable of that, try soft reset while device is plugged in, etc. After trying a few different things, let us know the results and what model you have. Maybe post it to the peripheral compatibility thread. Thanks!
I have bought HTC 4 in 1 CABLE and another 4 in 1 usb from poundland and both work perfectly when you connect external pen drives and mouse.
Is it possible to connect an external hard drive to the Vogue to use it as an MP3 player hooked up to my stereo to play music? My hard dive has a USB slot. Does anyone know how I can use the MiniUSB cable to USB cable and use the songs on the hard drive?
wow
wow... really? wow... umm...
probably not, USB doesnt actually stand for universal... i'm assuming you'd need some type of drivers or simple deviece support.
MAYBE.... you could use bluetooth to access it? but you'd need to build some hardware, and software.... so... probably no
im not an expert by any means though... somebody check out?
[everybody be easy on him, it's a pretty damn creative idea]
I've heard of prototypes of Bluetooth/WiFi accessible portable HDD's, but I've never seen one in production.
As far as hooking up directly via USB, I don't think it's possible since almost no (if any) PPCs can serve as a USB host.
Eh?
I bought a 4 port USB Hub (powered(?) Never got it yet..)for the Touch from cellphoneshop.net, and I'm guessing that maybe USB Caddy might if it is a Microdrive, but yea, you'll probably need some driivers to make it work...
Interesting Idea, and I had that thought some time ago...I was about to add 5VDC (external) to my USB Caddy, and attach it to my touch... never did finish that project...
I tried a powered hub, and had no success.