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What is difference btwn Imate Jam & 02 Xda 2 mini in Aus

I doing some research before purchasing a new PDA and am favouring the O2 XDA mini being released thru Optus retail network.
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Confused (easily done I hear you say)
What is the difference between an IMate Jam and 02 XDA 2 Mini as offered to the Australian Market?
If there is a difference, would appreciate some feedback about which is better in this market (ie; features, value, support) and why.

I bought the o2 XDA II Mini on eBay (no contract, outright for AU$945) and the only real difference between it and the JAM that I can tell is the SD card in the box. But, the XDA II Mini costs more than the JAM (JAM appeared on ebay a few days after I bought the Mini for AU$889). If I had the choice, I would have bought the JAM because of the lower price (I have 2x 1Gb SD cards, no need for a $60 256Mb), but they are essencially the same device.
I also purchased a Sandisk SD WiFi (Harris Tech AU$130) and am EXTREMELY pleased with it. My last pda (iPAQ h4350) has builtin wifi/bluetooth and this makes up for it. The XDA II Mini is so small the extra SD card is not a bother (would prefer builtin, but no complaints). If you have WiFi, i recommend you get one.
I am very happy with mine, and it runs great on both Telstra (my plan for calls/sms) and on Optus (prepaid for GPRS only). Optus has better signal though, Telstra sucks. What is the plan (the upfront and monthly costs)?
All I can say is GO FOR IT!!!

I forgot to add, the XDA Mini i received had a dead pixel. I managed to get them to replace it for nothing. I am very happy with the service as well as the device.

G'day,
I'm making the same comparison, and these are the differences I've noticed at the respective product websites ( http://myxda.com/product/XdaIImini/template/Product.vm and http://www.imate.com/index.asp?PageAction=DETAILS_JAM )
O2 Mini bundle list mentions 2 stylii plus the 256MB SD card. Otherwise the bundles for each product are the same.
O2 software:
Microsoft Windows Mobile 2003 standard applications: Pocket Outlook, Pocket Excel, Pocket Word, Pocket Internet Explorer, MSN Messenger, ActiveSync, Windows Media Player, Calculator, Terminal Services Clients, Games (Jawbreaker, Solitraire)
Multimedia Album
Picture Editor
Camera (phone and video capture)
ClearVue PDF and PPT
Integrated MMS
Java MIDlet Manager (J2ME)
Photo Contacts
SIM Manager
Wireless Modem
xBackup
Imate software:
MMS
Photo Contact / Caller Id
Photo album
Camera capture utility
Camcorder
40 chords polyphonic ring tones
Support standard MIDI format 0 and 1
Audio format WMA/AMR/MP3 (AAC optional)
SIM Manager
Wireless Modem
xBackup
Whether these two lists are just different ways of saying exactly the same thing I'm not really sure. Perhaps the O2 software list is just more accurate and better written...

Prices etc and a question
Thanks guys for feedback.
Mitchello - Further to your post. From the Optus shop direct - Business Edge One Plan
Price of the phone is $AUD749.00 paid over the contract period of 24 mths at $AUD31.20 per month on top of any plan taken. ie. BEO 33 access fee $33,
flagfall 18.7c, other calls 30.8c.
On data 0.0055c per kilobyte. - No flagfall.
Hope that helps. The cost of the phone is much cheaper than online prices so I guess they must be making money thru the call charges, but these plans are the same for any phone paid off over the contract period..
But why do you have Telstra and optus accounts, one for calls and one for data. Is the price difference worth the drama of two sim cards ??
I dont trust either of them, but we will see.

The only difference between the O2 and the IMATE models is the bundled software on the device. O2 have some extra software included on the Device then IMATE does, but IMATE seem to have a better support base then O2. IMATE tend to release Updates more frequently then O2. But the O2 does come with the 256MB Card aswell.

I have brought the XDA mini and Imate Jam. The only difference is see is the Jam has some Telstra crap and the leather case is different. The O2 case is better if you want to use it.
Otherwise no difference - Jam is cheaper.
Note I believe the Jam has a brighter screen than my O2 mini if that is possible?

Yep when I purchased my O2 mini the chap in the shop said the only real defference was some of the preloaded software/programs. He said the mini had more stuff pre setup for Oz.
I've had mine for a couple of months and just can't get over the potential this thing has...awesome.
So much to learn which is why finding forums like this has been great.
8) marto

get the imate jam (black), that's with 128Mb internal memory, 64 more than the original version of jam or o2 XDA2 mini. do not get optus bundle, get the phone, and get the $30 recharge with $120 credit.
if you average it out, it's only AUD0.001375 per kbyte (40K SLOT)
That's 87Mb for 30 days since credit expire in 30 days.
or just wait for the O2 atom? but it's not a HTC product...

Arrh just looked at the "atom" specs on the O2 site.... if you can wait, then do so... looks sweet.
Wonder what the price will be?
hmm was hard enough talking the wife into the mini so think the Atom is gonna be out of the question for some time

Blackberry Connect for Magician

Is there a Blackberry Connect solution for the Magician?

On the T-Mobile sites in Germany
Is a BlackBerry Client for Qtek 9090 if i;m right...
Think it wuold not work, the GPRS and TCP IP stack must allway's be running, your battery won;t last for 4-5 hours...
Regards Tom
Oops found it with google http://www.t-mobile.de/business/blackberry/software

The Magician is the Qtek s100

Same OS you could guve it a spin and post you findings

Re: On the T-Mobile sites in Germany
onedutch said:
Is a BlackBerry Client for Qtek 9090 if i;m right...
Think it wuold not work, the GPRS and TCP IP stack must allway's be running, your battery won;t last for 4-5 hours...
Regards Tom
Oops found it with google http://www.t-mobile.de/business/blackberry/software
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I've got my GPRS always on running MSN Messenger, which should also keep TCP/IP running. Lasts at least a day if it is mostly in standby and the reception is good.

Re: On the T-Mobile sites in Germany
I tried to upgrade with the MDAiii Blackberry s/w fromt-mobile.
I first got a country id error that I worked around
Then got a device data error that I again worked around ut thi sgave me error: 116 general error so I had to give up.
Need some more help on this one.

I got this from HTC directly:
"The new product with Blackberry Connect S/W will lunch to the market later. Due to contracts with our customers, we can't to disclose further information and details. As soon as product launch to market, you will find more info on that for sure."
So it looks like we need to wait!

Interesting posting. I am also VERY VERY interested in using BB for my MDAc. Are there any news regarding the "right" .exe which will run with our "Baby"? At the T-Mobile page are too much that I really don't know how to handle the right one. Maybe any User Guide available, please?

Very interesting
Very very interesting....
But I have a look at the t-mobile link and I couldn't see any mention of blackberry in that new rom - is it there?

I too eagerly await the arrival of BB connect for the Jam. I hate swapping my sim card back and forth between the JAM and Blackberry.

Any news or progress on this? I'd also like to install Blackberry Connect on my Magician.

I'm a little confused with Blackberry. I know it's concept as I used to sell it very briefly for Vodafone. If I set my Pocket Outlook to check for mail every 3 minutes and keep my GPRS on, what is the advantage of Blackberry besides saving me 2 and a half minutes of waiting for my e-mail?

the battery of blackberries last at least 10 times longer with gprs on whole day etc

BB Connect for Magician
Yes it is going to be finally out, most of the parties have already reached an agreement with RIM and Nokia would be launching BB Connect for their N9300 and N9500 later this month. From what I understand, BB connect for magician is currently undergoing testing by the telcos in Singapore.
FYI, the current BB connect that we are testing in Singapore is currently very secure as there is a global system wipe which can be sent via sms to your device to hardreset unit just in case it is lost.

o2techie, that is great news! Please keep us informed once an install is available.

Hi folks,
i found on a T-mobile Site in Austria the following Software for the magician: the long awaited blackberry connect software update
http://www.t-mobile.at//business/mobiles_arbeiten/download/bbconnect/index.html
Now I have the following question: Does this software work also for the German verison. I am unable to ask T-Mobile Germany, since I do not have an T-Mobile phone number.
Thanks for your help.

What benefit would Blackberry provide, except for the push email concept we already got through the latest Exchange server update?

me_phisto said:
Hi folks,
i found on a T-mobile Site in Austria the following Software for the magician: the long awaited blackberry connect software update
http://www.t-mobile.at//business/mobiles_arbeiten/download/bbconnect/index.html
Now I have the following question: Does this software work also for the German verison. I am unable to ask T-Mobile Germany, since I do not have an T-Mobile phone number.
Thanks for your help.
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The long awaited answer, at least for me is yes, Yes YES! it works!!! BUT there are a few drawbacks. Read the rest of the post before downloading the software.
Firstly the website warns very specifically to download only the German update for germany and the austrian update for austrian mdac's. otherwise the compact could break and they probably wouldn't refund.
As far as I know it only works on the t-mobile system, i have no idea about Vodafone or O²
The compact gets a new rom:
Rom Version now is 1.13.01 GER and ROM date is 08/18/05
ExtRom becomes 1.13.130.
Installing the client software is easy setting it up not quite so easy, (at least for me). The Blackberry (BB) Client software then gives the compact its own blackberry id which you have to register at www.instantemail.t-mobile.de. - Again this only works for the German T-mobile system (as its a german website).
Also don't forget to have the blackberry push service set up for you by t-mobile. I messed around with this for a week before getting it to work properly. The T-mobile support couldn't help because the software has not been released here yet.
I am so pleased that this works. I, like alot of others, have been waiting for this since the beginning of the year. Finally the Compact is the all round machine that it was meant to be.

HBK said:
What benefit would Blackberry provide, except for the push email concept we already got through the latest Exchange server update?
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I think people want this cos it's the only thing some other people have over us magician owners. Honestly I can't see how it would be any improvement.
What's annoying me, though, is that Vodafone Australia have stopped charging their GPRS by the kb and are now charging $1 every 5 minutes you're online! I guess this is better for all the kiddies downloading new games and stuff to their nokias but it means I can't automatically check for e-mails every 3 mins like I was.
When I rang them, they tried to sell me a blackberry handset and put me on their blackberry data+calls plan which isn't available for smart phone users. I told them to shove it cos my phone's heaps better than a blackberry and then asked them when they were bringing in the service for PDA/Smartphone users like Vodafone Germany's website has.
I swear, if I could see the girl at the other end of the phone line she would've had the most stupid, blank, glazed over look on her face! She had no idea!

there is already also an bb update on the german t-mobile site, i found it yesterday night surfing trhough the T-Mobile Site: http://www.t-mobile.de/business/blackberry/software
have fun...

SPB GPRS Monitor with MDA Pro (Accompanying CD)

As well as the suprise 512MB Mini SD and converter I was pleased to find that T-Mobile had bundled an up to date version of SPB's GPRS Monitor. Pleased that is until about 7 days later when it starts asking me to register (and presumably pay) at the website. What a [email protected] that is :twisted: Like thinking you got the speciality channels in your hotel room are unecrypted only for the blue screen to pop up within a few minutes :lol:
The MDA III came with the full SPB Software. Can any other MDA Pro owners corroborate that the version bundled is only trial software? Also can anyone advise what a reasonable price is to sell a brand spanking new 512MB mini SD.
Thanks for your help.

It looks to me like the SPB GPRS Monitor bundled with the O2 exec is also a trial version. Plus it doesn't even install from the CD for a lot of folk (including me). I only got it running thanks to the CAB file posted elsewhere. Brilliant!

I've had SPB GPRS Monitor running for over a month before I did a hard reset (had some suspect programs I wanted to get rid of). Can't remember if I registered it somewhere, but I sure didn't have to pay extra for it. Maybe in the netherlands it's different though.

If you contact SPB and explain you have a UK o2 Exec, they will give you the code for the latest version, thats what i did as mine kept being a 15 day trial

That's worth a try with my magician as well. I got a free copy from TMO Netherlands on my CD, by far not the most recent version though. & downloading a newer version I got all this trial/register questions.
Thanks for the tip, M

just a blackberry.cab file... not a whole rom

Hi, i have been searching for a cab file to install just the blackberry connectivity... I used to have it and i am pretty sure i got it from this site.... it was a while ago.
I now have a VPA compact and i dont think it has enough space for the fully loaded custom roms (its only a 64mb baby!)
I'd really appreciate it if someone was able to point me to the right direction... i tried searching for blackberry.cab to no avail...
PS. i have read alot of discussions on here about getting it to work properly... just to let you all know, if your PIN number for your blackberry client meant for another network.... blackberry themselves will cut of the traffic to your pin number... although this may take a week or so for it to cut off. The network you are with will not know this has happened hense you will get no help from them. This is a LICENSING issue... tech support advisors will not have this within thier network's published information.
Thanks in advance for your help!

found the o2 one....
For those who read the title.... heres the o2 version link (from within the site) http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=81361

You'll find the CAB you're looking for here ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=21991&start=25

thanks, but thats the T-mobile version... I think the german VPA has the bb software that generates a PIN number that will work on vodafone for over a week! i had the o2 one working for about 8 days on my qtek2020i. then it got cut off... I am hoping to get the "proper vodafone blackberry -webclient-" which i know exists as i had a customer in my store show me one up and running. (vodafone branded and all)

Pocket Remote Desktop on Wizard

I'm planning to buy a T-Mobile MDA - it's the Vario here, in the US - for mostly its WiFi, SKype and Remote Desktop. I saw in another thread that Skype just works fine - perhaps with a modest OC? - but I'm not sure how well this 200MHz TI CPU will handle encrypted RDP connections... any feedback would be appreciated!

szlevi said:
I'm planning to buy a T-Mobile MDA - it's the Vario here, in the US - for mostly its WiFi, SKype and Remote Desktop. I saw in another thread that Skype just works fine - perhaps with a modest OC? - but I'm not sure how well this 200MHz TI CPU will handle encrypted RDP connections... any feedback would be appreciated!
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I use pc anywhere v.12 pocket pcc addon and it works fantastic, even w/out OCing.

Remotely Anywhere, works also, I am using it sometimes over gprs. Install remotely Anywhere on your computer and log in with PIE http://someadress:someport and it wil asking about downloading a plugin.
It can also be used via IE and Firefox on a desktop.

Remotely Anywhere, works also, I am using it sometimes over gprs. Install remotely Anywhere on your computer and log in with PIE http://someadress:someport and it wil asking about downloading a plugin.
It can also be used via IE and Firefox on a desktop.

Great news, thanks. Now only if I could decide to go ahead and buy it or wait for Vario II a few weeks... :roll: :lol:

actually, from the specs, i think the MDA is better than the MDA 2. and it isn't the Vario in the US, it is just the normal t-mobile MDA... it is the Vario in Europe.

GTASouthPark said:
actually, from the specs, i think the MDA is better than the MDA 2.
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? In terms of what? AFAIK MDA II has a faster CPU, supports HSDPA... sounds more future-proof to me.
and it isn't the Vario in the US, it is just the normal t-mobile MDA... it is the Vario in Europe.
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I know, I just wanted to make it clear.

I doubt the mda 2 will be released in the u.s anytime soon. cingular is still working on their hsdpa service and tmobile hasn't even started rolling 3G out. so I think its best if u just buy the mda for now.

lsnizzle said:
I doubt the mda 2 will be released in the u.s anytime soon. cingular is still working on their hsdpa service
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Yeah, let's just call it advanced EDGE...
And it's not my opinion only: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1997919,00.asp
and tmobile hasn't even started rolling 3G out. so I think its best if u just buy the mda for now.
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Right, it is true and I don't expect TMO will be offering any 3.5G here anytime soon - earliest date is probably next Spring - but keep in mind I'm planning to keep this 'phone' for 2 years or so, as I always did...