Blackberry Connect for Magician - JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General

Is there a Blackberry Connect solution for the Magician?

On the T-Mobile sites in Germany
Is a BlackBerry Client for Qtek 9090 if i;m right...
Think it wuold not work, the GPRS and TCP IP stack must allway's be running, your battery won;t last for 4-5 hours...
Regards Tom
Oops found it with google http://www.t-mobile.de/business/blackberry/software

The Magician is the Qtek s100

Same OS you could guve it a spin and post you findings

Re: On the T-Mobile sites in Germany
onedutch said:
Is a BlackBerry Client for Qtek 9090 if i;m right...
Think it wuold not work, the GPRS and TCP IP stack must allway's be running, your battery won;t last for 4-5 hours...
Regards Tom
Oops found it with google http://www.t-mobile.de/business/blackberry/software
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I've got my GPRS always on running MSN Messenger, which should also keep TCP/IP running. Lasts at least a day if it is mostly in standby and the reception is good.

Re: On the T-Mobile sites in Germany
I tried to upgrade with the MDAiii Blackberry s/w fromt-mobile.
I first got a country id error that I worked around
Then got a device data error that I again worked around ut thi sgave me error: 116 general error so I had to give up.
Need some more help on this one.

I got this from HTC directly:
"The new product with Blackberry Connect S/W will lunch to the market later. Due to contracts with our customers, we can't to disclose further information and details. As soon as product launch to market, you will find more info on that for sure."
So it looks like we need to wait!

Interesting posting. I am also VERY VERY interested in using BB for my MDAc. Are there any news regarding the "right" .exe which will run with our "Baby"? At the T-Mobile page are too much that I really don't know how to handle the right one. Maybe any User Guide available, please?

Very interesting
Very very interesting....
But I have a look at the t-mobile link and I couldn't see any mention of blackberry in that new rom - is it there?

I too eagerly await the arrival of BB connect for the Jam. I hate swapping my sim card back and forth between the JAM and Blackberry.

Any news or progress on this? I'd also like to install Blackberry Connect on my Magician.

I'm a little confused with Blackberry. I know it's concept as I used to sell it very briefly for Vodafone. If I set my Pocket Outlook to check for mail every 3 minutes and keep my GPRS on, what is the advantage of Blackberry besides saving me 2 and a half minutes of waiting for my e-mail?

the battery of blackberries last at least 10 times longer with gprs on whole day etc

BB Connect for Magician
Yes it is going to be finally out, most of the parties have already reached an agreement with RIM and Nokia would be launching BB Connect for their N9300 and N9500 later this month. From what I understand, BB connect for magician is currently undergoing testing by the telcos in Singapore.
FYI, the current BB connect that we are testing in Singapore is currently very secure as there is a global system wipe which can be sent via sms to your device to hardreset unit just in case it is lost.

o2techie, that is great news! Please keep us informed once an install is available.

Hi folks,
i found on a T-mobile Site in Austria the following Software for the magician: the long awaited blackberry connect software update
http://www.t-mobile.at//business/mobiles_arbeiten/download/bbconnect/index.html
Now I have the following question: Does this software work also for the German verison. I am unable to ask T-Mobile Germany, since I do not have an T-Mobile phone number.
Thanks for your help.

What benefit would Blackberry provide, except for the push email concept we already got through the latest Exchange server update?

me_phisto said:
Hi folks,
i found on a T-mobile Site in Austria the following Software for the magician: the long awaited blackberry connect software update
http://www.t-mobile.at//business/mobiles_arbeiten/download/bbconnect/index.html
Now I have the following question: Does this software work also for the German verison. I am unable to ask T-Mobile Germany, since I do not have an T-Mobile phone number.
Thanks for your help.
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The long awaited answer, at least for me is yes, Yes YES! it works!!! BUT there are a few drawbacks. Read the rest of the post before downloading the software.
Firstly the website warns very specifically to download only the German update for germany and the austrian update for austrian mdac's. otherwise the compact could break and they probably wouldn't refund.
As far as I know it only works on the t-mobile system, i have no idea about Vodafone or O²
The compact gets a new rom:
Rom Version now is 1.13.01 GER and ROM date is 08/18/05
ExtRom becomes 1.13.130.
Installing the client software is easy setting it up not quite so easy, (at least for me). The Blackberry (BB) Client software then gives the compact its own blackberry id which you have to register at www.instantemail.t-mobile.de. - Again this only works for the German T-mobile system (as its a german website).
Also don't forget to have the blackberry push service set up for you by t-mobile. I messed around with this for a week before getting it to work properly. The T-mobile support couldn't help because the software has not been released here yet.
I am so pleased that this works. I, like alot of others, have been waiting for this since the beginning of the year. Finally the Compact is the all round machine that it was meant to be.

HBK said:
What benefit would Blackberry provide, except for the push email concept we already got through the latest Exchange server update?
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I think people want this cos it's the only thing some other people have over us magician owners. Honestly I can't see how it would be any improvement.
What's annoying me, though, is that Vodafone Australia have stopped charging their GPRS by the kb and are now charging $1 every 5 minutes you're online! I guess this is better for all the kiddies downloading new games and stuff to their nokias but it means I can't automatically check for e-mails every 3 mins like I was.
When I rang them, they tried to sell me a blackberry handset and put me on their blackberry data+calls plan which isn't available for smart phone users. I told them to shove it cos my phone's heaps better than a blackberry and then asked them when they were bringing in the service for PDA/Smartphone users like Vodafone Germany's website has.
I swear, if I could see the girl at the other end of the phone line she would've had the most stupid, blank, glazed over look on her face! She had no idea!

there is already also an bb update on the german t-mobile site, i found it yesterday night surfing trhough the T-Mobile Site: http://www.t-mobile.de/business/blackberry/software
have fun...

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Blackberry and i-mate JAM

Hi All
I'm in the uk and have an i-mate JAM which does just about everything I want - apart from Blackberry.
I've tried the v1.2 blackberry connect s/w from O2 on it - it loads and doesnt give any errors but doesnt generate a PIN, and doesnt display an IP address.
I've had blackberry enabled on my sim by vodafone (my provider) and Ive setup a new GPRS connection with the apn of blackberry.net
I can't seem to get the desktop software to talk to the jam either - and when I click on the 'start' button on the connect software on the JAM it attempts to connect and then just disconnects.
Any ideas anyone? I really want this to work - is there a workaround that anyone knows about?
Thanks
Will.
Let me know if you get this working. If it does I'll be straight down the shops to buy a Jam.
Hi, I`ve the same problem. German T-Mobile ROM and Blackberry Client from the blue angle (T-mobile Version). The blackberry client starts normaly, but it is not generatin a BB-Pin. It always says "Aufwartung" whatever this means. The IMEI is displayed correctly.
Has anyone an idea?
Petons
there is no desktop software for the non RIM blackberry devices, and your best alternative for instant email would be alwaysonmail.com until a client is released from RIM for use on the Magician.
rgds
Jim
Hi there
I beg to differ - I have a copy of the rim desktop software for activesync.
Its called 'Blackberry Activesync Configuration'.
Will.
Welcome to the club. A friend from a german ppc forum told me, we won't get any success, cause T-Mobile put BB in the ROM Upgrade just for MDA II & III. Even we have the CAB file, it will not work as long as someone here changes a responsible part in the registry. Just installing the CAB won't work.
But I don't understand T-Mobile. They would earn much more money (as they already do), if they would offer this service to MDAc users - and they are not less! So we may have to hope for an update...
MrMacMax said:
Welcome to the club. A friend from a german ppc forum told me, we won't get any success, cause T-Mobile put BB in the ROM Upgrade just for MDA II & III. Even we have the CAB file, it will not work as long as someone here changes a responsible part in the registry. Just installing the CAB won't work.
But I don't understand T-Mobile. They would earn much more money (as they already do), if they would offer this service to MDAc users - and they are not less! So we may have to hope for an update...
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RIM refuse to provide support for BB on Magician, to carriers. No RIM support means no software ever.
Why? I dunno, they're canadian aren't they....
Maybe they got hit by a moose....

just a blackberry.cab file... not a whole rom

Hi, i have been searching for a cab file to install just the blackberry connectivity... I used to have it and i am pretty sure i got it from this site.... it was a while ago.
I now have a VPA compact and i dont think it has enough space for the fully loaded custom roms (its only a 64mb baby!)
I'd really appreciate it if someone was able to point me to the right direction... i tried searching for blackberry.cab to no avail...
PS. i have read alot of discussions on here about getting it to work properly... just to let you all know, if your PIN number for your blackberry client meant for another network.... blackberry themselves will cut of the traffic to your pin number... although this may take a week or so for it to cut off. The network you are with will not know this has happened hense you will get no help from them. This is a LICENSING issue... tech support advisors will not have this within thier network's published information.
Thanks in advance for your help!
found the o2 one....
For those who read the title.... heres the o2 version link (from within the site) http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=81361
You'll find the CAB you're looking for here ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=21991&start=25
thanks, but thats the T-mobile version... I think the german VPA has the bb software that generates a PIN number that will work on vodafone for over a week! i had the o2 one working for about 8 days on my qtek2020i. then it got cut off... I am hoping to get the "proper vodafone blackberry -webclient-" which i know exists as i had a customer in my store show me one up and running. (vodafone branded and all)

BB Connect on XDA Exec??

Has anyone set the XDA Exec up to work with Blackberry yet?
Is the BB Connect software available for Universal users to download?
tonyb15re said:
Has anyone set the XDA Exec up to work with Blackberry yet?
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Surely we need to be waiting for AKU2 for push email?
Yeah, my company has Exchange 2003 and BES, so I would prefer to be spoiled for choices.
I really just asked the question because:
- Sometime before the Universal launched, HTC & RIM announced that BB connect could be used on their devices (I assume that's if operators wanted to support it).
- Since then I have not heard one thing about BB Connect running on an HTC PPC.
BillB said:
Yeah, my company has Exchange 2003 and BES, so I would prefer to be spoiled for choices.
I really just asked the question because:
- Sometime before the Universal launched, HTC & RIM announced that BB connect could be used on their devices (I assume that's if operators wanted to support it).
- Since then I have not heard one thing about BB Connect running on an HTC PPC.
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This of course is in the ideal world, we already have BES in place which works well, I had a BB7100V before I foolishly bought the XDAIIS with its poor Bluetooth but reasonable BBConnect software, my only choice for corporate email is BB.
Will the BlueAngel Cab work on the Universal? I know the OS is different but surely the underlying code is not too dissimilar. The reason Im looking for the Universal is for a better BT stack to work with all my devices e.g. car kit, phone headset, activesync.
Almost working, but not quite
I managed to get the T-Mobile BB Connect software installed on my Qtek 9000 using the current ROM (AKU1). I also installed the desktop software and got it talking to the device and synched (desktop). All policies and services got loaded from our BES server.
The only remaining "minor" problem is that it won't connect online to the UK RIM servers. Can't find a log file with enough info, so I'm not sure of the cause. Over in the Wizard forum people have mentioned that RIM may block certain IMEI/PIN combinations.
Since this is a German Qtek updated with the generic English Qtek ROM, running T-Mobile BB Connect software, connecting to my BB account with Swisscom, can't say as I'm shocked. :?
I've got a call in to see if we can fix it, though.
Ever optimistic....
ok I now have this working with a Tmobile UK Rom as the base and Tmobile BBconnect software, works very well, you will get the PIN from the service you will however not get an IP address, I spent over a week trying to debug this, it appears that theres something hardcoded somewhere that requires the match between the ROM and the BB software before it will work. Dont ask me what as I have no idea, I'm now hoping that O2 bring out a version soon as the Tmobile UI sucks with its gay pink logos and buttons....
BB Connect up and running with Swisscom
With help from tonyb15re, I was also able to get Enterprise BB working. It took a very specific ROM which appears to be matched to the BB Connect package. The device is a generic Qtek, the carrier is Swisscom, all the ROMs are T-Mobile UK.
The ROM which works is (from the FTP site):
UNI_TMUK_12032_120_10600.exe
Other T-Mobile ROMs and the latest generic Qtek ROM did not establish a connection.
Thanks again to tonyb15re for the help.
Hi,
Where did oyu get the T-mobile BB connect software from?
Scott
In the Wizard forum, they mentioned that the files were supposed to be on the XDA FTP server. But when the server got trashed a bit ago, the files disappeared. Therefore, I picked them up from T-Mobile Germany. Look here:
https://after-sales-service.t-mobile.de/eg_online/t-mobile/t_mda_vario.htm
The first two links under "Software Updates" are the BB Connect client and the Desktop program respectively. They are language aware, so the program will run in English, even if the installer is German.
Best regards,
bassettg said:
In the Wizard forum, they mentioned that the files were supposed to be on the XDA FTP server. But when the server got trashed a bit ago, the files disappeared. Therefore, I picked them up from T-Mobile Germany. Look here:
https://after-sales-service.t-mobile.de/eg_online/t-mobile/t_mda_vario.htm
The first two links under "Software Updates" are the BB Connect client and the Desktop program respectively. They are language aware, so the program will run in English, even if the installer is German.
Best regards,
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Hi, Can u confirm the following works fine on Universal or Universla clones
Thanxs cheer, Taurus
Yes. If you use the exact T-Mobile ROM together with the Vario BB Connect package, it works properly on my Qtek 9000 in Enterprise mode. I cannot verify the Internet mode.
Good luck,
bassettg said:
In the Wizard forum, they mentioned that the files were supposed to be on the XDA FTP server. But when the server got trashed a bit ago, the files disappeared. Therefore, I picked them up from T-Mobile Germany. Look here:
https://after-sales-service.t-mobile.de/eg_online/t-mobile/t_mda_vario.htm
The first two links under "Software Updates" are the BB Connect client and the Desktop program respectively. They are language aware, so the program will run in English, even if the installer is German.
Best regards,
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I just re-uploaded the files again (and fixed the thread in the Wizard forum)
I currently have a Blue Angel running 2003 and a Tmob uk rom 112 and the BB connect software, the BES works really well. To answer some questions I have some info that you may need. My company runs BES over voicestream (Tmobile USA) in the service contract it only provisions for the BES push mail on the blackberry.net server (linked to voicestream) Sooo what I am getting at is this, if your company only signed up for the BES push that is all you are going to get. If your company signed up for the BES and internet then you will be able to use the blackberry server and the mobile telephone companies wap or web client ip address.
In other words unless your plan includes web access via the internal modem you are not going to be able to get to the internet via the cell phone.
You will be able to get to the internet via the wireless lan card tho!
Also just another note,, when you connect to the BB client you get your corporate mail but if you enable the wifi then it disconnects from the BES, you have to then reconnect to the BES after you are done with the wifi session.
Some of my findings -
The BBConnectt from T-Mobile works ONLY with the
UNI_TMUK_12032_120_10600.exe
It works using ANY BB service provider.
The biggest problem is that the ROM UNI_TMUK_12032_120_10600.exe
is damn old, slow, the RAM is leaking and it is not stable at all.
Otherwise this is all ok. Today i will try to run BBConnect on my Universal using latest QTEK ROM and RADIO + TMO Extended ROM. I do not really beleive that BBConnect software is sticked to the EXACT TMO ROM. Will keep ypou informed.
I've tried it on the older O2 ROM, spent days trying to get the TMO BB Connect working on that, it didnt work, I even downgraded the radio to 1.06 which didnt work, the only combination I could get to work was the latest Tmob rom. works well for me, was going to upgrade to the latest O2 but cant be bothered..
I managed to get BB connect working on optus australia by installing the T Mobile UK rom as mentioned above... but then I went and upgraded the radio to 1.09 and everything stopped working from there.....
thats because for some obscure reason it needs 1.0.6 radio.. Try downgrading the radio..
I can't seem to get this to work, I have the right ROM and BB connect software in my Exec and the BB service is running but it will not do lookups and I am not getting mail....
Could someone post the right rom and bb software again to make sure I have the right one?
Many thanks...
New QTEK Radio 1.11 works
Just to share (apologies if someone else has already shared)...
I have the "standard" T-Mobile AKU1 ROM (vodafone SIM on a O2 Exec) and just tried upgradding the radio to to the new QTEK 1.11 radio......and it WORKS!
QTEK Radio rom is on the FTP site. Looks like we are no longer stuck with Radio 1.06.
I had to install the standard ROM Package first, then just upgrade only the radio (after BB connect was installed) - all connected perfectly.

new o2 update look

anybody been o2 site, new look and I think new updates. But I cannot download them???
hmm dun think its an update. i just went to the site and didnt see any new new ROMs.
On the applications page it makes a direct reference to push emails... This is only in the latest rom's so they must be planning a release soon surely? Otherwise why mention it?
http://xda.o2.co.uk/xdaExecApps.aspx
The very last phrase say:
The upgraded software for Microsoft Windows Mobile® allowing push email is coming soon.
(complitly scroll down, you'll see it)
;-)
what the heck is push e-mail anyway?
What other updates do you recon we can expect from O2?
JAmes
jamfitz86 said:
what the heck is push e-mail anyway?
What other updates do you recon we can expect from O2?
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push email makes pocket outlook work in a similar manner to blackberry devices, where email is "delivered" to your pda.
Aside from that we'll probably get nothing more than is already available in the latest rom's from other suppliers, though we can always hope for stereo bluetooth
i was hoping for the Wifi being fixed so its not like a 56k modem.
Oh well.....
JAmes
web page lovely. still no ******g Rom update. o2 are slack.
Customer service is crap.
IT people at o2 know nothing.
No a2dp in next rom.
10 times more expensive on unlimted data than Tmobile. 75quid vs 7.50. no wonder they can afford such a swanky new web site.
o2 are ***k. I'm off to tmobile in 34 days and counting.
34 day and counting
Good luck CRJL, still got 15 months left on mine contract. sign up to 02 and flipping T-mobile came out with web and walk. oh well i just keep paying.
Unlucky, I've not had many problems that cant be fixed by browsing on here, but i'm not using the mobile-internet stuff at all and are getting it on o2 employee cash cause of my girlfriend, but they do hold back on Rom and Radio updates to the general public and the product itself still feels like its beta hardware with so many of them failing, thought I was due a 3rd one there for a bit but the bug went away.
JAmes
Guys, just to let you know (unless you've figured this out/posted it above and I did not spot it):
Go to the Software upgrade page of any device:
e.g http://xda.o2.co.uk/xdaExecSoftware.aspx
And then add 'download' to access the Updates:
i.e http://xda.o2.co.uk/xdaExecSoftwareDownload.aspx
Such a sly... no IMEI needed
Hope that helps
Cya
Looks like they have spotted this one.... it doesn't work any more, or maybe the pages are offline right now.
They seem to be doing a lot of work on the web site just recently ... I wonder why :?: :lol:
so has anyone managed to download then? and can you post them here?
Looks like they've put a check on the download page to see if you've actually done the IMEI check.
I've just gone through the check myself, and there's no check (as of yet) on the actual download link
http://xda.o2.co.uk/downloads/Xda_Exec_Upgrade_v113188.exe
(edit add - it's still an ancent ROM mind you)
Now the index page for the site is showing a 403: You are not authorized to view this page message. Hmmmmm.... *strokes* beard.
Just what is wrong with providing your IMEI? AFAIK it's just to make sure you're not trying to get the Exec ROM for the wrong device. O2 already know you've got an Exec - it says so on your account - and they know your device's IMEI.
As for ROM upgrades - use the latest QTek or IMate ROM. The QTek works well for me.
It's a PITA (albeit a minor one) to go through settings, open up the info screen, and type it in.
It's also a phone number check, so if you've got an Exec on a different network you can't get the updated rom. Or if you've got an MDA Pro etc then you can't get it as well.
Only 3 people on this entire thread are not on O2.
And you've wasted more time moaning about the O2 website than it would take to find your IMEI. Which is literally 5 taps of your stylus.
Besides which, the O2 ROM is crap, and the next O2 ROM will probably be just as crap, so there's probably not a great deal of point waiting for the next O2 ROM anyway, or using an O2 ROM on a device that isn't connected to O2. Unless you actually use O2 Active in which case you're doomed to use the current O2 ROM until O2 finally get an AKU2 ROM out. Which could be months away. FWIW you could probably copy the O2 customization crap out of the original ExtROM and install it over the top of a QTek/IMate ROM which would give you what you want from your device without having to wait for O2 or go through the hideously complex process of tapping your screen in 5 places and reading a number.
Like with any modern day phone you can just dial *#06# to find out your imei
Yeah but then you have to press 8 buttons: Phone, Fn, *, #, 0, 6, Fn, #
:roll:
(or 1 button & 5 screen taps - technically the System Info is still the more 'efficient')

T-Mobile release the next MDA Vario update

Been waiting for this git for AGES :-
http://t-mobile.iris-global.com/download_manager_mda_vario.html
RUU_Prodigy_2210206_22102109_021911_TMO_UK_WWE_Ship.exe
I'm going to install it later on tonight !!!!!!!!!!!!
ahh thats good......
I was disappointed that my ROM rip didn't achieve what I had hoped, but now you get the full monty!!
Cool. Any idea's what been tweaked, added, fixed etc?
Anyone tried this yet? Any perfomance boosts?
Also, does anyone have any links to any more info on the update?
this is a silly question, but i keep getting confused. Are the "vario" devices the same as the "MDA" in the US? i have the US T-Mobile "MDA" but not sure if it is a VARIO or VARIO PRO, I, II, etc.
i'd like to download the official tmo rom for my device with msfp but so far i can't find it, so i'm just using one of the custom roms for now.
second question, the http://t-mobile.iris-global.com website, is there an equivalent US website?
thanks.
man did a hard reset last night, will have to do one tonight too!!! well soods law!!!
well, just done mine, and the first thing it noticed is that the battery icon in teh top right is now green, where as it was white like the otehr icons. Any idea how to change it back, it looks ugly!
why am i still seeing
RUU_Prodigy_1060204_105_11210_TMO_UK_Ship.exe?
very strange, even when i click download its the above file.
im not to bothered really anyway, im happy with the Mr Clean 2.3 rom for the moment!
bryanparke said:
this is a silly question, but i keep getting confused. Are the "vario" devices the same as the "MDA" in the US? i have the US T-Mobile "MDA" but not sure if it is a VARIO or VARIO PRO, I, II, etc.
i'd like to download the official tmo rom for my device with msfp but so far i can't find it, so i'm just using one of the custom roms for now.
second question, the http://t-mobile.iris-global.com website, is there an equivalent US website?
thanks.
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Just got off the phone with T-mobile US tech support and the answer is NO. The update is only for UK and German T-mobile users. T-mobile US will NOT support the update. However, the tech told me they are testing the new OS update for US, but there isn't a release date set as yet.
BTW the MDA in US is called MDA II or HTC or I-mate something...
I have just upgraded to the new ROM and the other problem I've found so far is that the camera seems to ignore the 'night' mode now and just treats it like 'auto' mode, i.e. pictures taken indoors are practically black.
DAMN and still no support for AKU2 BB Connect..........wtf
does anyone know why they have pulled the update and has anyone downloaded it and can put the file on the FTP? email if you do [email protected]
Edit : Just came back on
JoninLA said:
DAMN and still no support for AKU2 BB Connect..........wtf
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There actually will be a BB Connect update, but not before end of july 2006
if i do this update will i be able to restore my settings etc. from an SBP backup or will i have to set everything up again by hand?
also is the sound quality in calls any better with this update?
cheers.
i think something is different cus i did that and it did not like it, so have to start from the start again
Is this the AKU2 update?
impaler said:
I have just upgraded to the new ROM and the other problem I've found so far is that the camera seems to ignore the 'night' mode now and just treats it like 'auto' mode, i.e. pictures taken indoors are practically black.
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If anyone can suggest a fix for this problem I'd very much appreciate it. It's like it's ignoring whatever exposure settings it has :?
@bryanparke: as a wiseman once said, the only silly question is the one not asked!
The T-mobile US MDA is indeed the equivalent of the european MDA Vario.
They are both based on the wizard design by HTC.
@everyone else: Now that t-mobile have released the AKU2 rom, lets see how much they charge for the privilege of using it. Lets Hope it's cheaper than orange!
rhedgehog said:
@everyone else: Now that t-mobile have released the AKU2 rom, lets see how much they charge for the privilege of using it. Lets Hope it's cheaper than orange!
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Huh ... it's a free download.
not the download, the service - orange have set their roms so the push email goes through another APN so they can charge you extra for the privilege of push email!
I don't see how they can differentiate however the only thing I can think of is if you were to be using orange e-mail ... if you have access to an exchange 2003 sp2 server (or online equivalent) then wouldn't it just be a gprs connection.

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