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ok here is the challenge, now some of us know the horror of a lost or stolen phone. Who has it? Where is it? Can i track it? Well thats where this challenge comes in. We all know about the extended rom , most people dont think that u can mess with this but actually you can. For those who dont know what the extended rom is, it a file folder that contains all the cab files that are used to restore your pda back to factory preinstalled. Well i know that using some programs you can actually edit or delete files in this folder. What i propose or challenge the coders to see if they can come up with a cab file or program that can be placed into the E.R. so that if someone hard resets the pda, that when it comes back and resets it would set off the cab file to collect information like the phone number of the new sim card the thieves put in the stolen unit, and or any other info that can be used to track this device. to email it or say call you at a certian time. Point is that if you can get the number of the person that has your phone, you can get it traced and at least get the cops to go to the address that the new sim card is registered to.
Wow, I like that idea.
I was actually coding it so that the first thing it would do is execute a full-screen lock and you'd have to enter a preset passcode. The only way to get around anything in the Extended ROM though is by performing a soft-reset during the 3-second pause.
The problem with the current WM5 HTC devices (Wizard, Universal, and Apache) is that they have a digital signature feature enabled by default. So I can't hack the Autorun (even if I could) to bypass the 3-second pause, since that would break the authentication of the digital signature.
I could, however, disable the security on the Wizard and Universal with a digitally-signed CAB file found in the Apache's Extended ROM...
If someone could teach me how to access the SIM, that would be key...
Um, am I missing something or isn't this what IIWPO does (for the WM2003/SE devices anyway)? As soon as someone changes the owner info. and puts in a new SIM, it SMS's you the details - I already have it installed in my ext.ROM.
For the WM2005 devices it might not work but it's currently protecting my XdaII.
can you provide a link for iipwo
no sim
doesnt seem like that program access the sim, it seems that it relys on the new owner to input their information, but how many of us actually do that. i dont for sure. so if the new owner doesnt imput their contact info then there is no way of finding them, where as i propose to make come up with a way to read the sim and get the phone number, that way its definatly going to get them
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It's here on xda-dev, just search. Oh, and it's iiWPo not iipwo.
henvanvo said:
doesnt seem like that program access the sim, it seems that it relys on the new owner to input their information, but how many of us actually do that. i dont for sure. so if the new owner doesnt imput their contact info then there is no way of finding them, where as i propose to make come up with a way to read the sim and get the phone number, that way its definatly going to get them
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They don't need to, all it does is compare the existing text (or lack of) with the stored value (your own), then gets any data and sends it. If nothing else you'll get the phone number as part of the SMS. If they DO enter info (and most people I know do, just in case it is returned if lost), then you get that too.
You also get the satisfaction of slowly racking up their bill for them if they are charged for SMS and if they query it and the telco starts to ask questions about where the 'faulty' handset came from or suggests it goes for repair... Gotcha!
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isnt this only for WM 2003? has anyone got this to Work on a WiZard ?
if someone steals/finds a wizard then what are the chances they will know how to or even if you can hard reset it? and the ones "in the know" might just install a new/default rom image overwriting whats on the modified ext rom.
what you need is something that executes on maybe the 2nd or 3rd incorrect pin number entry.
not true
thats not true , u can get a manual at imate to show u how to hard reset. but there is no manual unless u read these kind of forums. most theives are crack heads that just take the phone to see if they can sell it for money. no knoledge of these devices
what i mean is there is no manual to enter the extended rom unless u read these kinda forum, we are fanatics
iiwpo relies on security by obscurity.
It works quite well on Walaby and Himalay.
If put into extROM it will be installed after hard reset as well (but since it is not signed the user wil get the ability to cancel in WM5.
I am planning to test its functionality on WM5 with my new Wizard.
BTW: Anyone allready has a ExtROM editor to bypass the read-only protection in newer ROMs?
Hey all,
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Ultimately security software for Pocket PC devices (phone edition only)..
The software checks the SIM card every time u do a soft reset or even HARD-RESET to yr fone.. So if that SIM aint yrs(the one specified in the program itself), it sends an SMS to another specified number(maybe to yr Dad' #) from the thief' SIM card, presuming that any thief after stealing, wld through away yr SIM and put his own in yr device and doesnt know the secret about this software..
The software also doesnt let the thief know that its been installed or running or an sms is been sent to yr number.. So u can keep him unnoticed until u track him down and shoot!
NOTE:
The DEMO version attached below will not send an sms but instead it shows up a message box sayin if its yr SIM or changed one..
SMS feature will be available in the full version only..
-If yr visiting this page for the first time, i reccomend u to skip two pages of posted replies as it contains posts abt the beta version.
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To get the full version pm me..
How would this help if I flash a stolen device with another ROM?
What if the sent SMS carries a number of an anonymous prepaid card?
What's the benefit over this free program? It looks to me like they do exactly the same?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=2526
Oh yeah...!
The software would have sent the sms as soon as the SIM is changed and even before the device becomes usable and so before flashing, u got the punk' Number..
But a normal thief, wldn do such stuff!
I checked that jus now..!
i checked that post jus now!
It is a more complicated process and basically works with owner information.. it fails if the thief doesnt change that..
Mine works by SIM card.. as soon as the new SIM is inserted, it recognizes and sends the messages..
Itz nice u guys come put more questions to make me challenging
But still, im an MBBS student and i had this hobby of programming for long.. So im jus designing things to satisfy myself
So, If yr intrested, u can try mine...
this app needs more love. its a great idea. most pikeys that find or steal a phone like this wouldnt know the first thing on how to flash it!. might be a good idea to include the following data in the SMS
current cell site associated with it or the area code for the current area.
maybe any other data that you can gleam from the sim card
Carty: have you posted this anywhere for download or trial? I can't see any links...
V
Tats a gud question too
Hey vijay,
This software, to make the security level higher, has the SIM info written in the program itself.. itz no point askin for trial cz itz gonna work as i say.. If anyone wants to buy, i first give a small program that will read the info from SIM & msg me thru SMS..then i rite the same to the program & give u.. so that ting works only wit yr SIM & none else cld try using it! After making it sure that the software works as i said, u can pay me then! but still i don kno any way to get yr money to me here.. The only option is thru mail, if u have any oter better option, temme...!
have a look at www.paypal.com
that's a popular method of payment used by ebay sellers worldwide..
Awrite, planned for the DEMO...
As u guys need a DEMO, ive made it..
First u gotta install the attached app, It reads yr SIM and sends me the required information.. I then incorporate those details into the program and send you the trial..
Hi Carty,
Speaking for myself only; I don't like trying a Sim ripper which send who knows what info to an unknown person. Guess the program could extract a lot more from my sim or magician (eg imei) than I would like to be send over the internet.
Like your id, but at the moment no thanks, unless I can bind my (ascii)data self into the program.
Guess it will be written into the rom to survive a hard-reset & I don't want my device locked by anything, got I hate sim-locks. So there must be a bypass or de-install as well.
Another prob i can think off, what about dual-sim owners?
Again I like the idea, but am paranoid in this field.
Regards, M
Nice precautions..
Yr too carefull abt yr device i gezz.. Tats gud! anyway this software survives Hard-reset as told, but not needed to be surely put in ROM.. The exe file is kept in a folder 2577 in yr internal storage renamed as Autorun.exe and so it gets executed.. The main advantage is that it doesn require any installation necessarily, jus the exe file can be executed just after hard reset.. The folder' attribute is set to be hidden and so wont show up normally.. But if the thief' aware of this, he can delete that file wit yr SIM in it and then do a hard reset..For this reason, ROM incorporation wld be usefull.. But i don think a thief wld do all such stuff as his first concentration would be to change the SIM and once changed, itz finished!
But still, y i din try incorporating the file in ROM cz, if the thief cld find the facility of autorun in folder 2577, he wld very well know abt flashing ROMs and so its no point.. But in real life, a thief normally wont have such knowledge and thats wer my software helps..
Awrite, to those who r really worried and don trust my software to get the only required info, Im letting out the secret, itz jus the phone number that was used to check the sim.. So gemme yr number thru private message to me.. The point of making a software to gemme the detail is to avoid the country code error as some SIM contains those while the oters dont.. Mine din have so u gemme without country code..
program for sim data
I installed your program and executed it. It didn't seem to do anything on my universal, but now I can't uninstall it. How do I get rid of whatever it did or didn't do? Is it supposed to send you an sms? I don't think it did so as my prepaid sim card does not show any less money than was on it before.
Carty,
Just pm'd you my number to check & to send the alert to. As the program ends up in storage resco must be able to show it, it shows all my hidden files.
Regards, M
Course I check before changing sim's
Back againn...
Today morning i checked by changing some SIM cards and some din have their number in it.. Bad network providers, they don even put their number in SIM cards.. So for these cases, im gonna change the coding in my software to send an sms if the number is not present also..So right now this software should work only to those having their SIM cards with their own number in it provided by the operator..
Oltp, i got yr number and wld do the demo for you today evening and post it here.. and before, install my check software and press the read sim button and if it says read succesfull, then yr SIM has number and the software would work.. U dont have to press the second button saying send request as u wer scared to send any information though it reads nothing oter than yr sim number..
chetccox, there should be two buttons in tat check software.. first one gets enabled wen u type sumthin in the name textbox and on pressing the read sim button, second one would get enabled and saying Read succesfull.. if u got this message read successfull, then yr sim has yr number and the software has detected it.so on pressing the send request button, the number would be sent to me, im not sure y it din send the sms..Maybe yr number doesn allow international sms or so... Anyway il do the demo for you too today evening and post here..
For others, im gonna change the check software, instead of sending me the sms, it would directly display the number on yr screen.. Its jus to make sure that yr SIM has yr number and the software is capable of detecting it and so the Theft Alert software would work fine..
Everything today evening as im held up in my college..
Lil abt me for u guys, Im actually an MBBS student, doin my third yr. Programming was my hobby for a long time and i have great intrest in it.. Lately im tryin to improve my skills to target on smart devices (Poket PCs) since i own one, id like to customize it to my needs as i wish!
@Carty,
I think this software _could_ be interesting to quite a few of us, provided you get it running without us having to send you any personal details - that's the things we are trying to keep to ourselves in the first place.
But please, please write your messages in real english, not some made up stuff. Trying to figure out what you mean by guessing how you pronounce words in your local lingo, makes my head hurt :-(
Anyway, together with PDAKill, this could be an essential piece of software for security aware users, so keep up the good work.
why dun u jus make a program that stays in the rom and would only sms to a desired number the number the thief is using whenever there is a sim change. then this way the thief cannot run away wit ur device. u can jus keep harrassing him or get the police involved as well. even better if it can make use the telco towers.
Dear Carty,
Apparently the Dutch sim's aren't containing the phone number either:
NetCF.exe
Exception
Could not get phone number from SIM
Application::Run+0xf
Form1::Main+0xa
We need to find some other unique id from the sim.
Cheers, M
Yew gt me..
Hi oltp,
Tats de same error i gt wen using it wit my fren' SIM.. So letz try this idea.. The sim phonebuk has a place for own numbers.. can v write our numbers to it and access it to check? or even most of us wont use the SIM phonebook, so v cld write it down an entry in it and access.. Can v..?
By the way, oltp, i used to program with Visual Basic .net 2003.. Wot abt u..?
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@Carty,
Anyway, together with PDAKill, this could be an essential piece of software for security aware users, so keep up the good work.
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PDAKill wld be of no use.. Cz, wen yr fone been stolen, the first thing the thief wld do is to throw away yr SIM and wer wld yr msg go to Kill yr fone..?
Hi!
Question for you Hermes-Pro's.. ;-)
Because of policy of the company i work for - They make a setting on my device that makes it impossible to change the LOCK-time to manual. And it is not possible to turn off the LOCK of the device.
Is there a way in registry or a program that i can use to overrule it. ? - The problem is that whenever i use a program and it has been untoched for 15 minutes - I have to enter the pin-code again.. That is not the smartest thing, when i use it as navigation... I gotta keep my eyes on the road... ;-)
I hope someone here can help me out..
Thanks alot..
I did look for a thread with this kind of question, but didnt find any - So hopefully im not starting a thread on something that has been asked 10.000 times before.
Looking forward to hear from you guys..
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Hi!
Question for you Hermes-Pro's.. ;-)
Because of policy of the company i work for - They make a setting on my device that makes it impossible to change the LOCK-time to manual. And it is not possible to turn off the LOCK of the device.
Is there a way in registry or a program that i can use to overrule it. ? - The problem is that whenever i use a program and it has been untoched for 15 minutes - I have to enter the pin-code again.. That is not the smartest thing, when i use it as navigation... I gotta keep my eyes on the road... ;-)
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This is not a Hermes issue as much as a Windows Mobile issue.
If I understand it you are using Active Sync Over-The-Air (OTA) synchronization? In that case, even if you manage to get rid of the policy it would simply reappear on the next sync.
As far as I know you will need to beg your sysadmins for help and understanding. Maybe they can remove or soften the policy for you.
Remember: Their goal is to make sure the information on you device is safe. Is there a way you can both win?
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Could you make a program or something that ran while your navigation program did so that it kept doing a key press or whatever it takes to stop the lock from coming on?
If i can just do it every time i need it..
I don't really care that it actually gets on again when i do a Active Sync.. Its just a problem, when i wanna run the program and it keeps coming every 15 minute.. I surely understand the policy of my company - But still .. Its a problem when i wanna run other programs on it... And i can't change it. Theres gotta be a way to change that settings in the registry or something?? Any ideas..
Thanks though for replying to my post...
This problem started yesterday.
All of a sudden i cannot access my settings at all.
I need to to a hard reset but when i go to the start menu and click settings, nothing.
i've tried leaving the battery out but i don't know how long the back up battery lasts.
Is there any other way to do a hard reset?
this is a developers page, so dont be so lazy and read you manual how to do a hardreset !!! you dont need settings for making a hardreset. oh god !
bluemetalaxe said:
this is a developers page, so dont be so lazy and read you manual how to do a hardreset !!! you dont need settings for making a hardreset. oh god !
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I'm sorry i didn't know there was one.
I was only asking for help, chill out man.
first what kind of phone do you have? second...if you know the type do a search on google on that type include hard reset in the search text...there will be probably more than enough hits...
keleko said:
I'm sorry i didn't know there was one.
I was only asking for help, chill out man.
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its late..and metal's a cranky kind of guy, so ive come to realize, he can be rude as **** sometimes..but he means well! dont take it personal
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its late..and metal's a cranky kind of guy, so ive come to realize, he can be rude as **** sometimes..but he means well! dont take it personal
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i'll let him off then,
Its sorted now anyway, i have the omnia
and if anyone wants to know how to hard reset then here ya go:
1. turn the phone off.
2. hold the power/call/end buttons for about 5 secs.
3. you will be asked if you want to format, this will only format the phone memory not 'my storage' or 'storage card'.
4. press the call button to format and hey presto working omnia again.
Why didn't you just soft reset............
is is so easy to say: "make hard reset"....
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control panel registry branch may be deleted(then i cannot help you), or you just missing empty directory in /windows/start menu/ - look there, if it is missing, make it(just empty dir named "settings") there and make softreset....
if still problem persists, try to copy any shortcut(lnk) to that /windows/start menu/settings dir, make softreset and look, if that icon in menu start is there..
there may be other possibilities, but...it is late and i need to get some sleep now..
in future, try use ppcpimbackup to make..... whole PIM backup(sms, mms, mail, calls, etc), just in case you need hard reset(you cannot make full backup with i.e. spb backup, if system is damaged, it may be nonsense - ppcpimbackup will just make databases backup, so in case of reset it won't be such pain as loss of everything..)
btw, it is wrong forum section, imho...
Hello! when i installed swype keyboard on my htc hd2 after restarting when i write my 4 digit code nothing happens. I don't want to lose my contacts and I'm not doing hard reset
Please help me.
sim code or phone lock code???
It is phone lock code
so you do have a big problem now, because you would first have to remove your phone lock before installing swype. swype setup is changing the user information of your device. so you are locked out now.
what to do now without flashing new rom i dont know. maybe someone else can help you with this problem.
but the problem with swype changing the user info is known. so you had to read more carefull.
look @ this thrad: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681004&highlight=swype
Thank you, but that didn't help me.
Try Try and Try again
Well,
Yiour other possibility is to keep on trying. Your passkey is hashed with user information.
If installation of software changed user information, you will need to try and find a combination resulting in the same hash value(very slim possibility, almost impossible)
Other option: Hard Reset..
I know ths doe not help, but these are the possibilities AFAIK
i've been caught out by this... i didn't read... i THINK also swype has f-ed up my email a/c before now as well... i think you'll have to hard reset...
IMHO swype is best installed almost immediately on a new ROM/reset ROM, before any other installtions, account set up & ESPECIALLY password set up...
yes - i swore a lot too, when this dawned on me..
ALSO - you must disable your phone lock password (not SIM lock) when UNINSTALLING swype as the same thing will happen - this caught me out too!!
HTH?