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I use my XDA II to check my work emails which are in a POP3 account (connecting over GPRS when I'm out and about). This works ok, but...
What I find strange is that at each connection it seems to go through every single message on the server regardless of whether (1) the message is already downloaded or (2) it is several days old.
This is incredibly slow and expensive when you are getting about 300 messages a day.
(To expand on this, assuiming I get 300 messages a day and set the email to download messages only from the last 3 days, and only to download the first 3kb of each message - on each connection the mail client still works its way through all messages on the server, which could be about 1500, taking about 1 second for each one. Using GPRS monitor I see I use something like 700kb - 1Mb on each connection. Crazy! :shock: )
I notice other email clients, such as nPOP are able to simply check and download new messages on each connection. (using about 15kb or so a time) So why cant the inbuilt email program do this?? (I don't want to use nPop for various reasons).
Any hints or ideas would be much appreciated. :?:
I feel your pain. I tried setting up my yahoo mail using the internal pop account as well. It would always have to refresh over 1500 mail messages which would take up to a couple hours. I haven't been able to find much of a workaround for this either. Any suggestions?
Yes!
I have started a couple of threads on this topic, with no response. I found I got hit with over $500 in data roaming charges in Europe, doing email that with the palm operating system (snappermail) would cost me less than $50.
I think there are two solutions. One is qmail. Qmail can easily handle this problem -- you just tell it not to check mail over x days old. That is a simple program. But I favor the second solution, npop. Npop permits the same filter (I think).
I have tried these against poutlook, with phenomenal improvement. When there are 30 already downloaded messages on the server, poutlook may take 100KB just to check mail, while qmail takes 3KB and npop 1KB. The main disadvantages are
hard to use one-handed
no multipart html support in npop
can't reliably wake the wizard up to check mail automatically
but not only do these run lean, they also run 100% on the minisd card.
What won't help is flexmail -- it seems to just be a wrapper on poutlook.
Hey,
I recently installed emoze for push email and then i ditched it. I jsut want to know, how does it work exactly? Is it genuinly push email or does it check for emials ever so often?
I"m asking this because i have about $300 of Internet usage (overages) on my account. I mainly used my internet for emails and i can't udnerstnad how i went over.
Also, how does Microsoft push email work? is it possible that was the problem?
I only receive about 10 emails a week anyway. please let me know
Thanks.
Short review about emoze
Hello all,
I'll start by saying that I'm part of emoze team.
emoze is a FREE push email & PIM solution for Pocket PCs, Symbain, Smartphones and other devices.
emoze synchronizes the Outlook's Inbox, Calendar, Contacts and Tasks with full support of attachments. With emoze you have a wide range of configuration possibilities for every folder you choose emoze to synchronize.
Concerning the data package, with emoze as long as data is not being transferred you are not being charged for data. We suggest you review with your providers to understand your data plans.
Furthermore, you can use a sleep mode, which will connect the internet every few minutes. The only data emoze will transfer is the emails and PIM.
If you have anymore questions about emoze please fill free to connect our support: [email protected]
For conclution please remember one thing, emoze is the easiest & most secure push email solution available.
Regards and good day,
Oren.
I suggest you to get an unilimted data plan if you want to get online.
If you decide not to get one, then I recommend you to use SPB GPRS Monitor to keep a eye on your data consumption. Not that your carrier will take that information as valid, but at least you can be alerted when you reach a certain configurable limit.
Cheers!
Rayan
Hello. I tried emoze, and after a few tried it finally worked. I must say, there should be a detailed instruction on how to set it up. I mean from the very beginning.
ALso, while setting it up on my iPhone, there were pop up windows that says "cannot verified" or something. 2-3 times. I didn't know you have to keep on pressing continue. The instruction doesn't say anything about that.
ANyway, I finally got it to work, well sort of.
I can send email from my iPhone, but cannot receive.
Here's what I've done so far.
(1) I donwloaded emoze software.
(2) I have username/pw. I registered it with my gamil email (this is what I want to be pushed to my iPhone)
(3) I setup my GMAIL email account to my MS Outlook 2007.
(4) I clicked EDIT on emoze, and selected INBOX.
(5) When I send/receive email on iPhone, I can see that the icon on emoze changes, meaning it syncs.
(6) I also truend off SSL on iPhone according to other users.
Still can't receive email. Any suggestions?
Thanks.
emozeoren said:
Hello all,
I'll start by saying that I'm part of emoze team.
emoze is a FREE push email & PIM solution for Pocket PCs, Symbain, Smartphones and other devices.
emoze synchronizes the Outlook's Inbox, Calendar, Contacts and Tasks with full support of attachments. With emoze you have a wide range of configuration possibilities for every folder you choose emoze to synchronize.
Concerning the data package, with emoze as long as data is not being transferred you are not being charged for data. We suggest you review with your providers to understand your data plans.
Furthermore, you can use a sleep mode, which will connect the internet every few minutes. The only data emoze will transfer is the emails and PIM.
If you have anymore questions about emoze please fill free to connect our support: [email protected]
For conclution please remember one thing, emoze is the easiest & most secure push email solution available.
Regards and good day,
Oren.
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DirectPush (and similarly Emoze and most other 'Push' e-mail technologies) work by simulating true Push communications.
Because server-initiated communication isn't strictly possible over GPRS, the cell data network, these Push e-mail solutions work by sending requests (called pings) to a server at regular intervals. If no new e-mails are waiting, the server simply acknowledges the ping. Otherwise, it instructs the device to retrieve the new e-mails.
The advantages over pure-pull technology (i.e. setting Outlook to check for e-mails every 15 minutes) lie in the smaller amount of the ping-packets compared with the packets exchanged when checking e-mail over pure Exchange/POP/IMAP. This, in turn, uses less bandwidth, enabling the checks to be done more frequently and in the background without significant use of bandwidth or resources.
Unfortunately, this does create data traffic, costing you money. I wouldn't reccomend having any type of 'always-on' solution, such as these 'push' e-mail simulations, unless you're on an unlimited data plan.
A few true Push e-mail schemes do exist for the HTC Wizard; these utilize cell-network messages (usually SMS-based) to initialize communications on the server-side. These messages are then intercepted in the notification que, instructing your device to check for new e-mails. These do not use data except for when the e-mails themselves are downloaded.
T-Mobile offers one such solution with their 'My E-Mail Triggers', and I believe AT&T/Cingular offers a similar solution.
For more information on DirectPush's simulated push technology, a good article is available on the MSDN here.
Nice to see you here RAYAN
In poderPDA dont answers...
En poder PDA no contestan...
reed you soon man!
Te leeo despues!
thank you for this useful clarification !!!!!!
I was wondering if there was a way to push mail without the use of Exchange.
Everything I have seen leads to no, but if I have noticed one thing around here, is that you folks don't seem to like NO very often... kinda like my wife.
www.emoze.com
I use it and it is close to perfect for me.
It's free, simple, installs on your Desktop PC and a client on your TYTN. I programed it to push every 10 minutes - more than enough for me.
Thanks...
Have to wait for the VISTA version (and probably office 2007 as well)
rgreenpc said:
Thanks...
Have to wait for the VISTA version (and probably office 2007 as well)
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It works without any trouble with Office 2007.
Thanks... they say they dont work with Vista as of yet.
Try with Kerio Mail Server
loquillo_rojo said:
Try with Kerio Mail Server
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There are currently problems with push & Kerio. I have submitted a ticket before
Christmas and the bug is being looked into. Hopefully fixed in their next release.
If you have Cingular you can get Xpressmail Personal Edition.
is there anyone who knows if it is possible to change the name from Emoze to something else? (account name)
pb with emoze is you have to have PC connected all the time, otherwise no email is pushed forward ... just my 2 cents ...
Sure you do. Your PC is your server so it has to be on all the time. What is the problem with that?
You could just use a free www.mail2web.com exchange account. If you want to change the outgoing email address all you pay is $1.99. I went from 1and1.com exchange to there service and its about the same minus customer service.
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I thought you can set your pop3 email to check it a certain interval in minutes...like..1, 2, 3 miniutes, etc...
I have it set up on mine...so it does log into your pop3 server...and it is free with no additional software. I forgot where to go and set the time interval.
Wratran,
I forgot where to go and set the time interval.
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If memory serves correctly, it is in the "Accounts" tab of the program.
Yep its in accounts then follow the setup thing until you get to servre information and then click on the options button
I wish there was a way to make it check every day though instead of the max being every hour.
Cheers
Beware Emoze...if you leave the default settings you might end up draining your battery if you're constantly in a 3G area. My wife's 8525 was like this...it checked almost constantly and the 3G use would drain the unit to half battery about 3 hours after being unplugged from the charger. Thankfully she's on unlimited data so I don't have to worry about the bill .
Install her EMOZE on a memory card instead of the main memory. This will make a difference and also it won't drain the memory. Also have her install the Band Switch program and stay on GSM most of the time. If she requires large downloads she can switch to UMTS for a limited time.
barrr said:
Install her EMOZE on a memory card instead of the main memory. This will make a difference and also it won't drain the memory. Also have her install the Band Switch program and stay on GSM most of the time. If she requires large downloads she can switch to UMTS for a limited time.
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+1
that is what I usually do, except I don't use emoze but the trick is worth been mentionned.
You can use OpenPush by ivorh, see this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279369
on most of the latest ROM's, the messaging client will check at least every 5 mins. Im on Black 2.5 and I am someone that goes back and forth with people with Sidekicks and its enough for me to check every 5 mins vs. spending money and setting up new accounts.
Go Mail messanger > Options> highlight and select the account you want to change >Next till you see advanced settings> under automatic send receive select interval.
I stayed on WM5 til this was available on WM6. Why pay for push?
hey guys from Trinity forum!
had started this service out to TYTN users and figured i should spread the news around to some of the other boards. if you guys are looking for push email, please get in touch here's what i posted in the tytn forum:
I'm now offering exchange mailboxes to users (subscription based service). right now i see two, one by austindkelly in the wizard forum (he's disappeared for over a month and looks like he doens't offer his service any more) and one by denial in the kaiser section ($5/month). I thought I'd offer up a similar service starting with the hermes group (cheaper of course) with a few extra tidbits of joy...
- supports iphone exchange services, saves a heck of money over apple's mobileme service!
- outlook web access (with the advanced interface)
- 1gb quota
- both SSL as well as standard port options
- *IMAP access* - you don't even need outlook, syncs flawlessly with your phone.
- *MAPI* outlook access - hook up your outlook on your PC to sync with my service which in turn syncs with your phone. no plugging in ever needed!
- alias included (get your own email)
- changing your password through outlook web access (one-way non-reversible encryption).
I figured it's a bit of an overkill having my own exchange server that's serving a single account (i.e. mine). so why not open it up!
Price is $10 for 3 months, $19 for 6 months.
Please PM me if you're interested... I'll probably set up your account within 12 hours (probably less).
And yes, will give you unused credit money back etc etc if you're unsatisfied for whatever reason. I'm really not in this for the money, it's more to utilize something I spent hours building up, plus to cover the costs of my internet / server hardware.
And, as usual, if you need any files hosted for xda-developers just let me know, i'm already hosting over 40 ROM images and serving 5-6gb/day in ROMs from the wiki!
cheers!
free accounts:
will provide 10 rotating free accounts at any given time for test purposes, will base it off of usage. so if you use the free account, i'll keep it up indefinitely, if not then account will be removed after 14 days and given to the next person in line.
Free accounts do not have MAPI access, have 50mb storage, have no aliases either.
Depending on utilization I may increase this 10 free account limit.
few people are asking about synching from multiple sources...
from my understanding i can only give you one alias for your accounts, which means you can't select your "from." however you're free to forward as many accounts as you wish to the account i create for you, but you can only send from one "alias."
another multi-synching thing people are asking is whether you can sync calendar with your desktop and email with my service. sure!! its best that way in fact - that's what i do. i have my outlook on my desktop which has my calendar, contacts, and only sync my email via push on exchange to my server... you can even take this a step further and set up IMAP access so what you see in your email client is the same as what you'll see in your pocket outlook... if you delete from your desktop, whoosh it disappears from your PDA too
MAPI (i.e. desktop outlook) access is now enabled
still plenty of resources to use up so drop me a line if interested!
Alternative for MS Exchange server for home use
Hi!
I have been searching for preferably free alternative of MS Exchange server. Does anyone know if there is a program that you could just install on your home computer wich anyways is always online? So that I could do my synchronize needs with my home computer myself? I have Vista installed and I use it everyday remotely for my studying purposes, so it would be ideal just to sync the information between my P3600 and home computer throught internet..
Not really the best thread for asking this, as it's totally off topic.
Start a new thread, thanks
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Ok, sorry guys
going to take the server down for about 15-20 minutes this afternoon for a quick reboot and offline backup. planning for 3:00pm GMT. please be patient, hopefully it should be done much much faster!
Quick update regarding update in the server!
I know I've had some VERY avoidable downtimes this past few months. Because this is running on a laptop it has been unplugged from the power / ethernet while its been moved.
however good news! I've just purchased a replacement - a nice server
Specs - dual core AMD 5600+ with 2 gb RAM, 820gb storage (for those attachments ).
i'll do the switchover soon as i get the machine, should hopefully take 10-15 minutes as i just need to image the drive across.
once i get the machine i'll push up the trial accounts to 15 or 20 so if you're interested i'll post here when the migration is done and you can drop me a note
cheers!
I'd be interested in a test account please if you still have any available? Been using gmail IMAP and a variety of pop3 servers for a while but have never tried Exchange.
Is the 500mb quota your email quota?
What does "alias included" mean?
iamwhoiam said:
I'd be interested in a test account please if you still have any available? Been using gmail IMAP and a variety of pop3 servers for a while but have never tried Exchange.
Is the 500mb quota your email quota?
What does "alias included" mean?
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check your inbox for the trial account
the quota is currently 500mb, i'll bump it up to a gig once the new server is set up, although nobody is coming even close to their quota limit.
"alias" means that emails you send will appear to come from the email address of your chosing - i.e. gmail, yahoo, whatever you use...
can someone who has successfully set up outlook 07 with my service PM me with the settings they've used? i need to get some instructions on my site on how to do it, and i don't use exchange 07 myself...
thanks!
UPDATE Now offering Exchange 2010 accounts - fully compatible with latest outlook, html email etc!
Information and registration at https://exchange.etbox.info
Hi everyone!
I don't post on the forum mush, but I'll fistly say thanks for some great help over the years with my HTC phones.
I'm looking for a way of having my email synchronise at certain times and actually switch the 3G/HSDPA/GPRS connection off afterward.
At the moment I can set up M$ Outlook on my Ignito to check mail (successfully) say every hour etc.. but I dont see the point in in synchronising over night and I would specifically like the 3G connection to disconnect after the synchronise to save battery power. Is there an app / fix / easy way to do this?
For example, I'd maybe like an app that will sync hourly, between the hours of say, 9am and 5pm, then close the 3G connection after each.
In the meantime, I think I'm gonna get one of those 2000mAh batteries!!
Thanks everyone, I look forward to reading about possible solutions!
Outlook Scheduler... tho it doesn't support changing 2G to 3G. you can use G-Profile for that.
Cheers nir36!
I'll check it out!
I don't need to be able to change between 2G and 3G, just switch it off after the synchronise has taken place.
Thanks ;o)
I have found that I can use Advanced Configuration 3.3 to turn off the data connection after a set amount of time.. That's handy!
I've been looking at command line actions that could be scheduled. I'd like to find out more.
tmail.exe has a '-sync' switch that would allow me to synchronise the account in question. I'm going to have a search to see if there is someway of using a command line to force the data connection closed too.
well, outlook scheduler and g-profile actually allow you to do everything you want regarding mail... when used together.. connecting.. disconnecting.. and so forth..
Excellent! Thanks ;o) - I ran out of time yesterday to have a closer look.