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Linux for XDA - how was CCC?

Hi!
I just want to know if there is some success for getting Linux on the XDA? I've read that at the CCC Summercamp some people wanted to get starzted with it...
Damn i missed the camp... i live in Berlin, so it wouldnt have been a long travel :-(
greetings.... Jabba

Linux on XDA
Hi,
Just a quick update without any concrete stuff for people to play with yet. Basically good progress was made and a first very bare version of linux on the XDA can be expected soon (say within a month). Note that very bare means you can't do anything with it. However it will be a jump start installation to kickoff porting periperal support to it for anyone who wants to have a go at it.

does it mean that the guys from OPIE will be able to port their system in the near future with these guys from FAMILAR LINUX ?
I've read that they want to program a telephone api as well...

It would be great because Windows CE is not a OS stable enough for a Phone.
I can't imagine I have a phone have to reset every single day.

killercheung said:
It would be great because Windows CE is not a OS stable enough for a Phone.
I can't imagine I have a phone have to reset every single day.
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I reset my phone most mornings. Switch my XDA on to find that cooked in the XDA-Developers Kitchen Screen! I begin to believe that it actually switches off, not stand by.
This in-stability is the main reason I am moving on to a more stable Symbion device for my main phone. Pop a pay as you go chip in my XDA, it is one kick as toy!!

Jabba said:
does it mean that the guys from OPIE will be able to port their system in the near future with these guys from FAMILAR LINUX ?
I've read that they want to program a telephone api as well...
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In fact, there's an app/lib called gammu on Linux, which is a pretty generic phone manipulating/controlling software. It supports various type of phones including different models of nokia mobiles as well as generic gsm modems, etc.
I've written a phone app for the iPAQ (with the GSM/GPRS sleeve) on linux using this library. The current opie ipaq-phone actually uses gammu as well. So maybe at some point we may go from there.
http://www.mwiacek.com/english/gsm/gammu/gammu.html
I've also thought about starting to do a GPE phone too... :twisted:

so it seems that everything which is missing, is a port of familar Linux to XDA...
i really would like to help, but i'm no C(++) developer... and i guess Linux is NOT written in Java :shock: :wink:

Blooover Hacking Bluetooth with Windows Smartphone

Hi i wanted to use Bloover (http://trifinite.org/trifinite_stuff_blooover.html) on my Smartphone but it doesn't work.
I downloaded WebSphere Everyplace Micro Environment MIDP 2.0 so i thought it has to work...all Midlets are working now, but only Blooover can't start. If somebody is interested in this programme and can use this programm, please send me some infos what I need, too.
MIDP 2.0 and something else?
http://trifinite.org/trifinite_stuff_blooover.html

Same problem, doesn't work in my Atom
Any idea?

I get
"Invalid java archive"

LOL how many times does it have to be said,
Snarfing is a pipe dream !!!
most phones are protected against this kinda thing now (providing someone even has bluetooth on) and theres no garentee that you will have the address book access to get entries outa it.
besides the fact why would you want to,
i know, why dont you just randomly send text messages in random ranges of mobile numbers, its basically the same thing.

Pipedream or not, he may have his reasons.. Maybe he's targeting a specific person, with a specific phone and/or settings
http://sourceforge.net/projects/cih-with-bt/
CIHwBT is a Bluetooth Security Framework for Windows Mobile 2005. Currently it only support some bluetooth exploits and tools like BlueSnarf, BlueJack, and some DoS attacks. It is intended to work with any pocketpc with Microsoft Bluetooth Stack.
Let us know how it works

downloading probs
i tried to download the files u have put for bluetooth hacking for pc mobiles.i cant get those files download to my pc from net can u help me in this . im using imate jam...
i will bw very thankfull to u if u help me.
rana

Here U R:
the compiled ones:
http://rapidshare.com/files/21645940/CIHwBT_bin.zip.html
and the source code:
http://rapidshare.com/files/21646106/CIHwBT_sources.zip.html
have fun

help
how to use CIHwBT?

your jvm has to be jsr-82 compliant to use blooover (or any other app that wants to access bluetooth via java).
That's probably the reason its not working. I have been trying to find a work around for my phone to use a midlet that requires bluetooth through java but its almost impossible to get help on it.

I found a nice program for this for some month ago. The name of the program is Bluezzard works with my qtek 9100.
Hope this helped. Im intrested in this stuff, so if someone find anything intresting about this, please post it.

Waste Of Time
Did a lot of research into BlueJacking and everything related after watching an Episode of The Real Hustle
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/programmes/real_hustle/
Pretty much led me on a wild goose chase. Discovered that these Bluejacking programs were made for the first versions of Bluetooth. The new versions of Bluetooth make the conventional methods of BlueJacking quite impossible. But I'm sure out there somewhere there is a room full of hackers out to prove me wrong.

Any one with a working BT hacking app please??
I'm new to all this stuff, so working info for newbie would be greately appreciated.

I'd really like to get this working on my phone: http://trifinite.org/trifinite_stuff_carwhisperer.html
Unfortunately we'll need to get linux to load first...

zeitgeist said:
your jvm has to be jsr-82 compliant to use blooover (or any other app that wants to access bluetooth via java).
That's probably the reason its not working. I have been trying to find a work around for my phone to use a midlet that requires bluetooth through java but its almost impossible to get help on it.
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Currently, a no-go: see http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=The (Java) MIDlet Bible

xda CE 2005 Project

We seem all to be waiting for a version to leak of the CE 5.0 for our devices, and at the same time we seem to think that this will not happen due to the fact our providers are going to want to ship it on new devices and not upgrade the old ones.
Well Mwang put me in the mood to do some searching and this is what I found.
Because Windows CE is in components, you can create a custom version of the OS that includes exactly the elements your particular device requires—no more and no less. Using the Windows CE development tool called Platform Builder, you can create a customized version of the OS, called an "image," that you then download onto your device hardware for debugging. If your hardware is not available yet, you can run your image and debug your applications on the included x86 emulator. That allows the end-user application developer and the low-level system software developer to work in parallel on the same project.
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http://msdn.microsoft.com/embedded/getstart/bring2market/plan/learn/windowsce/default.aspx
Well it seems that you can download a 120 days trial version which would mean you would have to flash your device in 120 days.
Windows CE Evaluation Version
Windows CE integrates reliable real-time capabilities with advanced Windows technologies to rapidly build a wide range of innovative, small-footprint devices. The evaluation version is a 120-day trial version of Windows CE, valid from the day of installation. The CD and DVD versions include a copy of Microsoft eMbedded Visual C++ 4.0 Service Pack 4. The Evaluation Edition (download) requires you to download eMbedded Visual C++ separately.
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http://msdn.microsoft.com/embedded/getstart/evaluate/default.aspx
Think this is the homepage
http://msdn.microsoft.com/embedded/windowsce/default.aspx
So what is stopping us ?? Or Cant I read?
Any body in the mood for this??

Downloading now What could go wrong ?

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...50-D311-4F67-9FB3-23E8B8944F3E&displaylang=en
Does this work for you gues ?

I tried this a while back.
Its not as easy as it sounds, firstly you have to correctly setup all the drivers for the hardware.
I wouldnt garantee that it has stuff like the phone apps ready to be compiled in either.
lastly, you have to make it into the correct format for the installer prog, I dont know if the package will output a himaupload.exe compatible rom.
Let me know how you guys do though, it would be nice to compile our own OS!

It's installing on my computer :shock: i want it on my PPC

Well I found a 30 min tutorial on the platform builder and it looks like a lot of the stuff is around (Wifi), What we will miss is the camrea app, but hell its a start.
Ps cant find that link anymore, and the posted link works great.

MDAIIIUser said:
Well it seems that you can download a 120 days trial version which would mean you would have to flash your device in 120 days.
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Im sure it's a 120 days from the day you install it on your Desktop PC :?

definatly not as easy as you think!
i had the older version and i made some images for X86 machines (to make them thin clients)
you need every driver for the device that it will be installed on so theres alot more required than just the platform builder,
check it out anyway, its still fun to use and you can make custom CE's for old PII machines (routers, thin clients etc)

Well Bosjo, would that not give you 119 days to post a BA Rom?

@MDAIIIUser
Well i dont know, but Im guessing that the ROM itself will expire 120 after Desktop installation

@bosjo
Well you better hurry up and do good documentation so that I can rebuild your posted rom in 118 days.

@MDAIIIUser
Ha ha ha, well don't get your hopes up, Im just a plumber that bought a BA to save some time and get projects more organized........... Well that what just to be a laughf, this device has eaten every spare second I have had since the day i bought it, and it's still crappy...............

What? You mean you can use it as a phone, thought it was only good for the pocket solitair, how did you do it? and can I read it on wiki?
You see I am True born again MDAIIIUser and
"I haveth faith in thou"

I've pu the windows CE 5.0 installer in the upload folder

Good job you got this , see your pm

Hmmm... well, if someone can create a ROM that won't expire or brick my device, I'm willing to help with testing...
Let me know if you need me...

hehe. Its impossible to create WM2005 from the stuff offered with the trial WinCE 5.0 Platform builder.
Hint: WM5 has version 5.1. PB offers 5.0

im wondering.. where would you get ALL the drivers from? im sure HTC will not be willing to help us here..

@Manich
I truly respect your post and I am very much aware of not having your knowlege, insight, understanding, hacking competence.
That is why I am amember of this forum, to learn from people like yourself in order to try and get the best for my device. To share what I have learnt with others (I use wiki for that).
So please, please share with us a better idea of how we can get 2005 on a BA. It would save me a lot of time searching on the net, uploading sdk that are of no use as well as moving files on the ftp.
A "it cant be done answer" I could accept if it came from somebody else without your knowlege and I remember reading that somebody wrote something along the lines if it can run it can be cracked (smile).
With alll due respect
MDAIIIUser

Generally it cannot be done as you don't have a board support package for BA or other compatible platform. With lots of hacking and reverse engeneering you can write all drivers and all applications absent from Platform Builder (like cprog, SMS client, SIM toolkit, etc), but it would be only a waste of time. It would take as much time and would be as useless as making a Linux for BA. Better buy a device that originally ships with OS you want.
The only hope for getting WM5 on BA is that some person from MS would offer it or someone would get a device with such a ROM. Even a locked device with a signed ROM would help.

ChARMeD - Disassembler for ARM CPU

Hi,
This is the program i mentioned earlier,
IT IS STILL IN BETA
so it has a problem here and there,
but i had only three days to work on it
when i get a chance from work and university i will try and add the analyzer *gulp* etc
let me know if it looks useful, pm me or post reply
(oh and if anyone is interested in hosting on the web pls let me know too)
(i hope posting this here is ok)
thanx for ur interest toenailed
latest version available at
http://carolos.za.net/

charmed on ftp
hi,
also put charmed.zip in root of ftp

tnx .. carolos
i was looking for a Good dissassembler from ages now ......
i will try it and give my feedback later.. ( :wink: )
anyway i will split this post ..
and put it in Developing and Hacking section ..
so other can see also your app ..
tnx again .. n looking forward for your future upgrade especially the analyzer .. .. tnx so much
-toe

it works!
It seems to work pretty good! Great job man!

carolos,
will it be too much to ask you for a small program to delete files and/or folders for WM2k5? Something like the old AutoRun.exe-Config.txt program; where you can list the folder/file names in a file for deletion.
If not, does this already exist? Could you point me there?
Thanks.

hi acmorfe
hmmm...
to tell you the truth
i started playing with windows ce 2.0
then i left portable devices until recently (about a month ago)
because i got a phone that has windows ce 2003 se
so i am a bit rusty
but if you want a program that does it on the phone itself
there was like ms cmd for pocket pc or something like that
i think you could possibly make it run a .bat or .cmd file on execution
and i think you can add the that to the registry of your ppc
i wont be able to write anything anytime soon...
because
1) i dont have the ms sdks
2) they are too big to download
3) internet access is really expensive here
sorry i hope info helps, good luck

Charmed BETA 0.2
hi,
gee 59 downloads already...
well i hope everyone who downloaded beta 0.1
will download beta 0.2
added 17 mnemonics
and fixed some mnemonics that were too restrictive
for full info look at help
-bye

Re: Charmed BETA 0.2
Why are you developing this program? You cannot make anything that would be as useful as an IDA (www.datarescue.com). You'd better spend your time on IDC scripts or developing a processor module for ARM if you don't like IDA's builtin disassembler (which is really great in 4.80).

didn't everyone at one point in their live write their own disassemblers?
http://www.xs4all.nl/~itsme/projects/disassemblers/
willem

@mamaich: I just wanted to point out the same thing.

the only sence of making a disassembler - is to integrate it into a really useful program for all PocketPC developers: a good and stable debugger.

http://www.datarescue.com/idabase/wince/index.htm
i beta tested it, i works very nicely, much better than the evc debugger.
willem

@itsme: Very nice. How are we supposed to wait till "Q2-Q3 2005"?

Re: hi acmorfe
carolos said:
hmmm...
i wont be able to write anything anytime soon...
sorry i hope info helps, good luck
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Carolos, thanks anyways.
Guys, what programming language would you suggest that i study for programming stuff for PPC (WM2k5)?

Re: hi acmorfe
acmorfe said:
carolos said:
hmmm...
i wont be able to write anything anytime soon...
sorry i hope info helps, good luck
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Carolos, thanks anyways.
Guys, what programming language would you suggest that i study for programming stuff for PPC (WM2k5)?
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hi again,
c++ (embedded c++) would probably be the best
because you can do anything u like with it
but there are other options
c# and visual basic (visual studio 2005)
but they rely on the .net frame work, which is kinda like the java Virtual Machine, only microsofts version, it allows them to port applications to any os easily (even mac probably if there is a .net vm for mac)
good luck

Re: Charmed BETA 0.2
mamaich said:
Why are you developing this program? You cannot make anything that would be as useful as an IDA (www.datarescue.com). You'd better spend your time on IDC scripts or developing a processor module for ARM if you don't like IDA's builtin disassembler (which is really great in 4.80).
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last time i checked ida was not free
and also there was no built in assembler? was there?
mamaich said:
the only sence of making a disassembler - is to integrate it into a really useful program for all PocketPC developers: a good and stable debugger.
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charmed was intended to be a debugger...
but disassembler must be finished first...
oh yah and ida is not 250k

i knew about the new ida with remote debugging
even before i started charmed
but its not free!!!

Charmed BETA 0.3!
hi
toenailed requested some upgrades
charmed now has an export to .html and .txt
and a search
yay!
does anyone want this program???
please post if you think its useful else
its gona stay at 0.3
it was never supposed to go beyond 0.1 anyway
i wrote it for my own use and 0.1 was good enough

Thank you very much. I like it. As you said, IDA is not free, hence the reason I don't have it. Now to just figure out how to make small changes. Thanks for your hard work.

@carolos: Why don't you start a new project at sf.net? So others might help and someday it may become better than IDA - who knows.

Developers help needed

I am asking for help for the iphone... i am well informed that most or a good amount of you are anti apple but please hear me out... i am both and apple and Microsoft fan... i am looking to developer a winmo (windows mobile) emulator for the iphone... i my self and not a dev and i was referred here... my forum on this topic is here http://www.modmyifone.com/forums/3rd-party-apps-requests/151361-windows-mobile-emulator.html ... please come and chat on our irc channel, it is irc.moofspeak.net #winmo ... i will probably be on 9 to ten (maybe later) est tonight and tomorrow night as well... pm me for more details

I will not be on till later if at. All sry

Just to clear this up for some we are iPhone users who dont HATE windows mobile and we are looking/trying for away to get Windows Mobile Up and running on the current iPhone hardware by Dual Boot or Emu(i doubt). We need some Dev's who understand WinMo architecture to help. Thanks

mind you though that
iphone appes are not in c++ or c# or vb and dont use .net
it's cocoa (apples native .net'ish libary and objective c is a compatition to c++ which never became big outside of apple)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Learning-Cocoa-Objective-C-Apple-Computer/dp/0596003013
also to make cocoa applications you need the apple envioment which can only run on a mac so to develop iphone apps you require a mac
but of cause if you are a mac fan you should own one
my hat goes off to you if you get it to work because you pretty much have to make a whole win32 mini Wrapper which capture all calls to wm from the binary code
and redirect them to something similar in the cocoa libs

first off u can program in c# and I think c++... Now I have sdk and any one with a mac who is willing to help will recieve a copy...